RE: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Adam Greene]

Hey Steve (or anyone else),

How much RAM are you running on your 4431? We have a similar application and 
are trying to figure out whether to order a 4431 with the default 4GB RAM, or 
upgrade it proactively to 8GB to support the full BGP table.

Thanks,
Adam


-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Naslund, Steve
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 5:04 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

Watch the memory requirements on a full Internet table in the Cisco 2900 
series.  More current model would be the Cisco 4300 - 4400 ISR series.  They 
have 2/4/8/16 gigs of memory.  Power consumption MAX ranges from 0.6A to 3.0A 
depending on model.  Higher models have more throughput and more interfaces.  
Throughput ranges from 35 mbps to 2 gbps.  I rarely see Cisco routers running 
near the max power rating especially if you are not using PoE or etherswitch 
interfaces.  The 43xx series is replacing the 29xx series and the 44xx series 
is replacing the 39xx series.  I've put in a few of them and they are pretty 
nice.  They are either 1 or 2 U in size.

We are using 4431 with throughput license to 1 GB receiving a full table from 
the provider and three IBGP peers with no issues and full gig throughput.  It 
is currently drawing 65 watts of power in steady state and 250 watts on bootup 
(not using any PoE or network modules, just built in Ethernets).

Steven Naslund
Chicago IL 

>>-Original Message-
>>From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of William 
>>Herrin
>>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 3:43 PM
>>To: Adam Lawson
>>Cc: nanog
>>Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power 
>>consumption

>>On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Adam Lawson  wrote:
>> The router needs to be squeezed in to a rack which doesn't have a lot  
>>of space nor power. As for space, maybe I can make space for 3U or 4U  
>>but as for power, I can only do around 1.5A@100V on average. (There is  
>>room for burst power usage.)

>A Cisco 2911 or 3945 does this though the 3945 is a little more power hungry.

>A current generation x86 server running Linux and Quagga does this.

>Regards,
>Bill Herrin


>--
>William Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us 
>Dirtside Systems . Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Georg Kahest]

Have you played around with mx150 yet?

It seems very appealing on paper, but as of its so new i have my doubts


On 05.12.2017 20:38, t...@wicks.co.nz wrote:
> Yea, as much as I love Juniper Hardware the M series is really a long way on 
> the past at this point. I would suggest the new MX150 is the way to go for up 
> to 20G requirements. Of course that's in a different league from the OP's 
> criteria. 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 7:29 AM
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption
>
> I'm replacing an M10i with a CHR. 
>
> I hope you have a newer RE so that you don't have worse BGP convergence than 
> a CCR. 
>
>
>
>

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Robert Bays]

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> 
> It is worth mentioning for those who have not seen a Ubiquiti "edgrouter"
> in person yet, or worked with one, where their operating system came
> from...  When Vyatta was acquired by Brocade, the core Vyatta team jumped
> ship and were hired directly by Ubiquiti.

Not really.  There were two developers that quit Vyatta and subsequently went 
to Ubiquiti.  And that happened long before the Brocade acquisition.  The core 
Vyatta team is still going strong, working on the Vyatta NOS.

-robert

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Colin Baker]

On 2017-12-05 15:22, t...@wicks.co.nz wrote:


Fixed format EX's range max out at 128k routes, definitely not an 
option
there unless I am really missing something. I often use EX/QFX for l3, 
but

no way they come anywhere near a full table.


yep :)

set routing-options maximum-prefixes biggernumberthan128k

again, RIB only

--
"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
-Kurt Cobain

RE: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[tony]

What's the application?  I'll throw a somewhat oddball option out there
- you can fit full tables into RIB on many Juniper EX switches.  Limited use
cases for sure, but it can be handy if you can limit what's installed into
FIB.


Fixed format EX's range max out at 128k routes, definitely not an option
there unless I am really missing something. I often use EX/QFX for l3, but
no way they come anywhere near a full table.

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Mark Blackman]

> On 4 Dec 2017, at 19:19, Adam Lawson  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> I'm looking for suggestions on 1U-2U sized router with 1G interface 
> which can handle both IPv4 and IPv6 full BGP table and doesn't consume 
> too much power. 
> 
> 
> 
> The router needs to be squeezed in to a rack which doesn't 
> have a lot of space nor power. As for space, maybe I can make 
> space for 3U or 4U but as for power, I can only do around 
> 1.5A@100V on average. (There is room for burst power usage.)
> 
> 
> 
> The following are the one's I can think of:
> - Juniper M7i with C-FEB-E (base 1.59A)
> - Brocade CER2024F (1.35A)
> - Mikrotik CCR, UBNT EdgeRouter Pro/Infinity
> - A server with Vyos, vMX or ASR1000v
> 
> Does anyone have other recommendations?

A low-power rack mount x86 box running one of (Free|Open|Net)BSD and OpenBGPd?

- Mark

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Colin Baker]

On 2017-12-05 12:44, Adam Lawson wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for all the replies.

I think the options that came up are:



- Juniper MXs
The reason I wrote M7i instead of the MX was I far as I looked on the 
Juniper
site, it seems to use more power than the M7i (though you get more 
performance).


RE-800 are so slow that I've had numerous instances where I've made a 
change, banged my head on the desk for several minutes trying to figure 
out why it isn't working, and then realize that the control plane was 
still thinking about it.  It will take full tables though, barely, and 
eventually.  Imagine the RE-1800s are fine, haven't used one personally. 
 C-FEB-E should have plenty of room for your FIB.


What's the application?  I'll throw a somewhat oddball option out there 
- you can fit full tables into RIB on many Juniper EX switches.  Limited 
use cases for sure, but it can be handy if you can limit what's 
installed into FIB.


--
"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
-Kurt Cobain

RE: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[tony]

No, not actually seen one in real life yet. Interesting thing of course is it 
runs VMX JunOS code.

-Original Message-
From: Georg Kahest [mailto:georg.kah...@internet.ee] 
Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 8:01 AM
To: t...@wicks.co.nz; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

Have you played around with mx150 yet?

It seems very appealing on paper, but as of its so new i have my doubts

RE: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[tony]

- Juniper MXs
The reason I wrote M7i instead of the MX was I far as I looked on the Juniper 
site, it seems to use more power than the M7i (though you get more performance).


The M150 has just been released, if its within the budget I wold suggest it 
will very nicely fit the requirement with its 1U form factor and 365W draw. - 
https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/mx-series/mx150/

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/5/17 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I understand that most BGP implementations are single-threaded.



Well, yeah. That's where the "lots of slow cores" model doesn't work.

~Seth

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Adam Lawson]

Hi,

Thanks for all the replies.

I think the options that came up are:
- Mikrotiks
This fits my requirements pretty nicely, however as Mike pointed out the 
single threaded BGP is a bit of concern. Also, just that I'm not a very big
fan of the /xxx Mikrotik CLI.

- EdgeRouter Pros, Juniper M7i
- A server with bgpd running
- Cisco 4300-4400 series
Both the above would work nicely.

- Cisco 2900s
Can these handle full BGP tables as of today?

- Juniper MXs
The reason I wrote M7i instead of the MX was I far as I looked on the Juniper
site, it seems to use more power than the M7i (though you get more performance).

- Nokia IXR-R6 (not IXR-6)
- Huawei NE20E-S2E
I need to look these up. I'm guessing the Nokia has same CLIs as Alcatels.

Thanks,
Adam

 On Mon, 04 Dec 2017 11:19:14 -0800 Adam Lawson  wrote 


 > Hi,
 > 
 > I'm looking for suggestions on 1U-2U sized router with 1G interface 
 > which can handle both IPv4 and IPv6 full BGP table and doesn't consume 
 > too much power. 
 > 
 > The router needs to be squeezed in to a rack which doesn't 
 > have a lot of space nor power. As for space, maybe I can make 
 > space for 3U or 4U but as for power, I can only do around 
 > 1.5A@100V on average. (There is room for burst power usage.)
 > 
 > The following are the one's I can think of:
 > - Juniper M7i with C-FEB-E (base 1.59A)
 > - Brocade CER2024F (1.35A)
 > - Mikrotik CCR, UBNT EdgeRouter Pro/Infinity
 > - A server with Vyos, vMX or ASR1000v
 > 
 > Does anyone have other recommendations?
 > 
 > Thanks,
 > Adam
 > 
 > 
 > 

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Mike Hammett]

It's a couple year old Xeon running vSphere. 

Once I get some other migrations done, I'll load either vSphere or Proxmox onto 
the hardware running the Vyatta firewall now and run a CHR there as well for a 
second upstream. I'm not yet sure what the underlying hardware is for that one. 

My x86 ROS boxes load full tables in ~30 seconds and maintain hardly any CPU 
core usage when pulling in updates. 

I've seen CCRs take 10 minutes to receive and then change routing accordingly 
for BGP updates (Cogent, HE and several IX peers). 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message -

From: "mike lyon"  
To: "Mike Hammett"  
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 12:35:48 PM 
Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption 

What hardware you running the CHR on? 

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 10:29, Mike Hammett  wrote: 
> 
> I'm replacing an M10i with a CHR. 
> 
> I hope you have a newer RE so that you don't have worse BGP convergence than 
> a CCR. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
> 
> Midwest-IX 
> http://www.midwest-ix.com 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> 
> From: "mike lyon"  
> To: t...@wicks.co.nz 
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 12:11:27 PM 
> Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption 
> 
> Unfortunately, yes. Thats why two Juniper M7is just arrived on my doorstep 
> yesterday... 
> 
>> On Dec 5, 2017, at 10:10,   wrote: 
>> 
>> Is that actually still true nowadays ? Of course there is always the option 
>> of running RouterOS on an X86 for an effective solution as well. 
>> 
>> -Original Message----- 
>> From: mike.l...@gmail.com [mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 7:07 AM 
>> To: t...@wicks.co.nz 
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
>> Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption 
>> 
>> Bad thing about the CCRs is that their BGP process is single threaded. So 
>> even though it has a bunch of cores, it doesn’t utilize them for BGP. 
>> 
>> -Mike 
>> 
>> 
> 

RE: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[tony]

Yea, as much as I love Juniper Hardware the M series is really a long way on 
the past at this point. I would suggest the new MX150 is the way to go for up 
to 20G requirements. Of course that's in a different league from the OP's 
criteria. 

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 7:29 AM
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

I'm replacing an M10i with a CHR. 

I hope you have a newer RE so that you don't have worse BGP convergence than a 
CCR. 

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[mike . lyon]

What hardware you running the CHR on?

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 10:29, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> I'm replacing an M10i with a CHR. 
> 
> I hope you have a newer RE so that you don't have worse BGP convergence than 
> a CCR. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
> 
> Midwest-IX 
> http://www.midwest-ix.com 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "mike lyon"  
> To: t...@wicks.co.nz 
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 12:11:27 PM 
> Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption 
> 
> Unfortunately, yes. Thats why two Juniper M7is just arrived on my doorstep 
> yesterday... 
> 
>> On Dec 5, 2017, at 10:10,   wrote: 
>> 
>> Is that actually still true nowadays ? Of course there is always the option 
>> of running RouterOS on an X86 for an effective solution as well. 
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: mike.l...@gmail.com [mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 7:07 AM 
>> To: t...@wicks.co.nz 
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
>> Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption 
>> 
>> Bad thing about the CCRs is that their BGP process is single threaded. So 
>> even though it has a bunch of cores, it doesn’t utilize them for BGP. 
>> 
>> -Mike 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Mike Hammett]

I'm replacing an M10i with a CHR. 

I hope you have a newer RE so that you don't have worse BGP convergence than a 
CCR. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message -

From: "mike lyon"  
To: t...@wicks.co.nz 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 12:11:27 PM 
Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption 

Unfortunately, yes. Thats why two Juniper M7is just arrived on my doorstep 
yesterday... 

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 10:10,   wrote: 
> 
> Is that actually still true nowadays ? Of course there is always the option 
> of running RouterOS on an X86 for an effective solution as well. 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: mike.l...@gmail.com [mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 7:07 AM 
> To: t...@wicks.co.nz 
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
> Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption 
> 
> Bad thing about the CCRs is that their BGP process is single threaded. So 
> even though it has a bunch of cores, it doesn’t utilize them for BGP. 
> 
> -Mike 
> 
> 

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Mike Hammett]

I understand that most BGP implementations are single-threaded. 

The problem is that it sucks, which version 7 fixes... whenever the unicorn 
makes that delivery. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message -

From: "mike lyon"  
To: t...@wicks.co.nz 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 12:07:19 PM 
Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption 

Bad thing about the CCRs is that their BGP process is single threaded. So even 
though it has a bunch of cores, it doesn’t utilize them for BGP. 

-Mike 

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 09:50,   wrote: 
> 
> For me the obvious answer for the OP is the Mikrotik CCR range - 
> https://mikrotik.com/product/CCR1036-8G-2Splus 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke 
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 6:00 AM 
> To: nanog@nanog.org list  
> Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption 
> 

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[mike . lyon]

Unfortunately, yes. Thats why two Juniper M7is just arrived on my doorstep 
yesterday...

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 10:10,   wrote:
> 
> Is that actually still true nowadays ?  Of course there is always the option 
> of running RouterOS on an X86 for an effective solution as well.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mike.l...@gmail.com [mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 7:07 AM
> To: t...@wicks.co.nz
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption
> 
> Bad thing about the CCRs is that their BGP process is single threaded. So 
> even though it has a bunch of cores, it doesn’t utilize them for BGP.
> 
> -Mike
> 
> 

RE: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[tony]

Is that actually still true nowadays ?  Of course there is always the option of 
running RouterOS on an X86 for an effective solution as well.

-Original Message-
From: mike.l...@gmail.com [mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 7:07 AM
To: t...@wicks.co.nz
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

Bad thing about the CCRs is that their BGP process is single threaded. So even 
though it has a bunch of cores, it doesn’t utilize them for BGP.

-Mike

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[mike . lyon]

Bad thing about the CCRs is that their BGP process is single threaded. So even 
though it has a bunch of cores, it doesn’t utilize them for BGP.

-Mike

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 09:50,   wrote:
> 
> For me the obvious answer for the OP is the Mikrotik CCR range - 
> https://mikrotik.com/product/CCR1036-8G-2Splus
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 6:00 AM
> To: nanog@nanog.org list 
> Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption
> 

RE: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[tony]

For me the obvious answer for the OP is the Mikrotik CCR range - 
https://mikrotik.com/product/CCR1036-8G-2Splus



-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 6:00 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org list 
Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Eric Kuhnke]

It is worth mentioning for those who have not seen a Ubiquiti "edgrouter"
in person yet, or worked with one, where their operating system came
from...  When Vyatta was acquired by Brocade, the core Vyatta team jumped
ship and were hired directly by Ubiquiti. When you SSH into one of these
whether it's a $45 Edgerouter-X or a $300 unit, it is a Debian based CLI
and is very obviously a fork of Vyatta. The entire system file tree and
package mangement system is all Debian.




On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Mel Beckman  wrote:

> The Edgerouter Pro 8 meets all your specs. It's 1U, has eight GigE ports,
> including two SFP/combo ports, can take full IPv4 and IPv6 tables, and only
> consumes 40 watts (about half an amp at 120V). About $300.
>
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-pro/
>
>  -mel beckman
>
> > On Dec 4, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Adam Lawson  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm looking for suggestions on 1U-2U sized router with 1G interface
> >
> > which can handle both IPv4 and IPv6 full BGP table and doesn't consume
> >
> > too much power.
> >
> >
> >
> > The router needs to be squeezed in to a rack which doesn't
> >
> > have a lot of space nor power. As for space, maybe I can make
> >
> > space for 3U or 4U but as for power, I can only do around
> >
> > 1.5A@100V on average. (There is room for burst power usage.)
> >
> >
> >
> > The following are the one's I can think of:
> >
> > - Juniper M7i with C-FEB-E (base 1.59A)
> >
> > - Brocade CER2024F (1.35A)
> >
> > - Mikrotik CCR, UBNT EdgeRouter Pro/Infinity
> >
> > - A server with Vyos, vMX or ASR1000v
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have other recommendations?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Jerry Jones]

MX150?


On Dec 4, 2017, at 4:13 PM, C. Jon Larsen  wrote:


On Mon, 4 Dec 2017, Naslund, Steve wrote:

FWIW ...

OpenBSD on a lanner appliance with openbgpd will chew 1G. Especially on the 
latest version - 6.2.

Debian on the same lanner running bird would also chew that as well.

>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of William Herrin
>>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 3:43 PM
>>> To: Adam Lawson
>>> Cc: nanog
>>> Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption
> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Adam Lawson  wrote:
>>> The router needs to be squeezed in to a rack which doesn't have a lot
>>> of space nor power. As for space, maybe I can make space for 3U or 4U
>>> but as for power, I can only do around 1.5A@100V on average. (There is
>>> room for burst power usage.)
> 
>> A Cisco 2911 or 3945 does this though the 3945 is a little more power hungry.
> 
>> A current generation x86 server running Linux and Quagga does this.
> 
>> Regards,
>> Bill Herrin
> 
> 
>> --
>> William Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us Dirtside 
>> Systems . Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
> 

RE: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[C. Jon Larsen]

On Mon, 4 Dec 2017, Naslund, Steve wrote:

FWIW ...

OpenBSD on a lanner appliance with openbgpd will chew 1G. Especially on 
the latest version - 6.2.


Debian on the same lanner running bird would also chew that as well.


-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of William Herrin
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 3:43 PM
To: Adam Lawson
Cc: nanog
Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption



On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Adam Lawson  wrote:
The router needs to be squeezed in to a rack which doesn't have a lot
of space nor power. As for space, maybe I can make space for 3U or 4U
but as for power, I can only do around 1.5A@100V on average. (There is
room for burst power usage.)



A Cisco 2911 or 3945 does this though the 3945 is a little more power hungry.



A current generation x86 server running Linux and Quagga does this.



Regards,
Bill Herrin




--
William Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us Dirtside Systems 
. Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Saku Ytti]

Hey Adam,

Review also:

Nokia IXR-R6 (not IXR-6)
Huawei NE20E-S2E



On 4 December 2017 at 21:19, Adam Lawson  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I'm looking for suggestions on 1U-2U sized router with 1G interface
>
> which can handle both IPv4 and IPv6 full BGP table and doesn't consume
>
> too much power.
>
>
>
> The router needs to be squeezed in to a rack which doesn't
>
> have a lot of space nor power. As for space, maybe I can make
>
> space for 3U or 4U but as for power, I can only do around
>
> 1.5A@100V on average. (There is room for burst power usage.)
>
>
>
> The following are the one's I can think of:
>
> - Juniper M7i with C-FEB-E (base 1.59A)
>
> - Brocade CER2024F (1.35A)
>
> - Mikrotik CCR, UBNT EdgeRouter Pro/Infinity
>
> - A server with Vyos, vMX or ASR1000v
>
>
>
> Does anyone have other recommendations?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
  ++ytti

RE: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Naslund, Steve]

Watch the memory requirements on a full Internet table in the Cisco 2900 
series.  More current model would be the Cisco 4300 - 4400 ISR series.  They 
have 2/4/8/16 gigs of memory.  Power consumption MAX ranges from 0.6A to 3.0A 
depending on model.  Higher models have more throughput and more interfaces.  
Throughput ranges from 35 mbps to 2 gbps.  I rarely see Cisco routers running 
near the max power rating especially if you are not using PoE or etherswitch 
interfaces.  The 43xx series is replacing the 29xx series and the 44xx series 
is replacing the 39xx series.  I've put in a few of them and they are pretty 
nice.  They are either 1 or 2 U in size.

We are using 4431 with throughput license to 1 GB receiving a full table from 
the provider and three IBGP peers with no issues and full gig throughput.  It 
is currently drawing 65 watts of power in steady state and 250 watts on bootup 
(not using any PoE or network modules, just built in Ethernets).

Steven Naslund
Chicago IL 

>>-Original Message-
>>From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of William Herrin
>>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 3:43 PM
>>To: Adam Lawson
>>Cc: nanog
>>Subject: Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

>>On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Adam Lawson  wrote:
>> The router needs to be squeezed in to a rack which doesn't have a lot 
>> of space nor power. As for space, maybe I can make space for 3U or 4U 
>> but as for power, I can only do around 1.5A@100V on average. (There is 
>> room for burst power usage.)

>A Cisco 2911 or 3945 does this though the 3945 is a little more power hungry.

>A current generation x86 server running Linux and Quagga does this.

>Regards,
>Bill Herrin


>--
>William Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us Dirtside 
>Systems . Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[William Herrin]

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Adam Lawson  wrote:
> The router needs to be squeezed in to a rack which doesn't
> have a lot of space nor power. As for space, maybe I can make
> space for 3U or 4U but as for power, I can only do around
> 1.5A@100V on average. (There is room for burst power usage.)

A Cisco 2911 or 3945 does this though the 3945 is a little more power
hungry.

A current generation x86 server running Linux and Quagga does this.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


-- 
William Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
Dirtside Systems . Web: 

Re: Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Mel Beckman]

The Edgerouter Pro 8 meets all your specs. It's 1U, has eight GigE ports, 
including two SFP/combo ports, can take full IPv4 and IPv6 tables, and only 
consumes 40 watts (about half an amp at 120V). About $300.

https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-pro/

 -mel beckman

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Adam Lawson  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> I'm looking for suggestions on 1U-2U sized router with 1G interface 
> 
> which can handle both IPv4 and IPv6 full BGP table and doesn't consume 
> 
> too much power. 
> 
> 
> 
> The router needs to be squeezed in to a rack which doesn't 
> 
> have a lot of space nor power. As for space, maybe I can make 
> 
> space for 3U or 4U but as for power, I can only do around 
> 
> 1.5A@100V on average. (There is room for burst power usage.)
> 
> 
> 
> The following are the one's I can think of:
> 
> - Juniper M7i with C-FEB-E (base 1.59A)
> 
> - Brocade CER2024F (1.35A)
> 
> - Mikrotik CCR, UBNT EdgeRouter Pro/Infinity
> 
> - A server with Vyos, vMX or ASR1000v
> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone have other recommendations?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Small full BGP table capable router with low power consumption

[Adam Lawson]

Hi,



I'm looking for suggestions on 1U-2U sized router with 1G interface 

which can handle both IPv4 and IPv6 full BGP table and doesn't consume 

too much power. 



The router needs to be squeezed in to a rack which doesn't 

have a lot of space nor power. As for space, maybe I can make 

space for 3U or 4U but as for power, I can only do around 

1.5A@100V on average. (There is room for burst power usage.)



The following are the one's I can think of:

- Juniper M7i with C-FEB-E (base 1.59A)

- Brocade CER2024F (1.35A)

- Mikrotik CCR, UBNT EdgeRouter Pro/Infinity

- A server with Vyos, vMX or ASR1000v



Does anyone have other recommendations?



Thanks,

Adam