Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

[Pavel Odintsov]

Hello!

I have other question.

Why somebody exists in this list?

Nobody should be in this block list actually. If you ban some country
because this country is bad (so really? One countries are worse than
other, really? Who care in this evaluations? Some yet another "smart"
government?)

If you ask for block somebody you are becoming  the worst person on
the Whole Earth. This songs really like Internet Nazism.

Just imagine world where you should drop all packets from martians
because your government thinks they are stupid. Songs like Orwell
1984. Not so perfect way.

>From my point if view nobody should block North Korea, Cuba or
definitely Crimea because Internet is not is the politic game field.
It's way to communicate. Both bad and good people could use it and
nobody should care about "who can".



On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Max Tulyev <max...@netassist.ua> wrote:
> Why Crimea still not in the list?
>
> On 20.02.16 02:57, frnk...@iname.com wrote:
>> Official statement here: 
>> https://knowledgelayer.softlayer.com/faq/softlayer-network-wide-ip-blocking
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+frnkblk=iname@nanog.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:21 PM
>> To: Carlos A. Carnero Delgado <carloscarn...@gmail.com>
>> Cc: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org>
>> Subject: Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?
>>
>> Ola Carlos,
>>
>> I am very familiar with Govt. instituted restrictions, and yes, people 
>> always find ways to get around it. I cannot speak for the Cuban Gov. nor for 
>> the US Gov. as to what they decide to do and when.
>>
>> What was/is irksome about Softlayer's decision is the following:-
>>
>> 1) Unilateral implementation of a restricted policy without any notification.
>>
>> 2) The broad stroke implementation of a Gov Policy that does not apply to 
>> the communication service they applied the policy to.
>>
>> i.e. As much as we all dislike Dictatorial Behavior, and we fully recognize 
>> Softlayer is a Private Entity, who can exercise it's right to act 
>> Dictatorially, Such behavior in the overall community (Internet) is frowned 
>> upon and (as it should) have a long term negative affect to business.
>>
>> Saludos.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>>> From: "Carlos A. Carnero Delgado" <carloscarn...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>>> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 6:08:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?
>>
>>> Hi,
>>
>>> (disclaimer: I'm Cuban national, living in Cuba, and a long time lurker in 
>>> this
>>> great list)
>>
>>> 2016-02-19 15:27 GMT-05:00 Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > :
>>
>>>> Considering the fact that such a block was just put in place about a week 
>>>> ago ?
>>>> Last time I checked, blocking any part of the world is not part of any 
>>>> legal
>>>> requirements on any Global Service Provider ? other than a 'company 
>>>> policy' ?
>>
>>> Being denied access to services, as a Cuban national, is something that 
>>> we've
>>> all experienced here and we (sadly) have come to accept it as a fact of 
>>> life.
>>> Sometimes we resort to proxies/VPNs in order to conceal our origin -- and 
>>> by a
>>> similar token, sometimes, our destination ;).
>>
>>> However, there are a couple of things that have made me wondering how 
>>> arbitrary
>>> decisions can be. I think sometimes it just boils down to specific provider
>>> policies that try to (maybe rightfully) cover their bottoms in the light of 
>>> the
>>> law. For instance, I can't hide the fact that I have access to Gmail; but at
>>> the same time there are many Google properties and services than I can't. 
>>> There
>>> are many companies, global companies, that I can't access, and others are 
>>> open
>>> to us which are, paradoxically, completely based on the US and under US law
>>> (won't name them publicly to avoid potential damage).
>>
>>> Any way, I'm going back to lurk mode. However, feel free to ask anything, 
>>> on- of
>>> offlist. And I thank you all for this wonderful resource.
>>> Carlos.
>>
>>
>>
>



-- 
Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov

Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

[Max Tulyev]

Why Crimea still not in the list?

On 20.02.16 02:57, frnk...@iname.com wrote:
> Official statement here: 
> https://knowledgelayer.softlayer.com/faq/softlayer-network-wide-ip-blocking
> 
> Frank
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+frnkblk=iname@nanog.org] On Behalf Of 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:21 PM
> To: Carlos A. Carnero Delgado <carloscarn...@gmail.com>
> Cc: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?
> 
> Ola Carlos, 
> 
> I am very familiar with Govt. instituted restrictions, and yes, people always 
> find ways to get around it. I cannot speak for the Cuban Gov. nor for the US 
> Gov. as to what they decide to do and when. 
> 
> What was/is irksome about Softlayer's decision is the following:- 
> 
> 1) Unilateral implementation of a restricted policy without any notification. 
> 
> 2) The broad stroke implementation of a Gov Policy that does not apply to the 
> communication service they applied the policy to. 
> 
> i.e. As much as we all dislike Dictatorial Behavior, and we fully recognize 
> Softlayer is a Private Entity, who can exercise it's right to act 
> Dictatorially, Such behavior in the overall community (Internet) is frowned 
> upon and (as it should) have a long term negative affect to business. 
> 
> Saludos. 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz 
> Snappy Internet & Telecom 
> 7266 SW 48 Street 
> Miami, FL 33155 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
> 
>> From: "Carlos A. Carnero Delgado" <carloscarn...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 6:08:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?
> 
>> Hi,
> 
>> (disclaimer: I'm Cuban national, living in Cuba, and a long time lurker in 
>> this
>> great list)
> 
>> 2016-02-19 15:27 GMT-05:00 Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > :
> 
>>> Considering the fact that such a block was just put in place about a week 
>>> ago ?
>>> Last time I checked, blocking any part of the world is not part of any legal
>>> requirements on any Global Service Provider ? other than a 'company policy' 
>>> ?
> 
>> Being denied access to services, as a Cuban national, is something that we've
>> all experienced here and we (sadly) have come to accept it as a fact of life.
>> Sometimes we resort to proxies/VPNs in order to conceal our origin -- and by 
>> a
>> similar token, sometimes, our destination ;).
> 
>> However, there are a couple of things that have made me wondering how 
>> arbitrary
>> decisions can be. I think sometimes it just boils down to specific provider
>> policies that try to (maybe rightfully) cover their bottoms in the light of 
>> the
>> law. For instance, I can't hide the fact that I have access to Gmail; but at
>> the same time there are many Google properties and services than I can't. 
>> There
>> are many companies, global companies, that I can't access, and others are 
>> open
>> to us which are, paradoxically, completely based on the US and under US law
>> (won't name them publicly to avoid potential damage).
> 
>> Any way, I'm going back to lurk mode. However, feel free to ask anything, 
>> on- of
>> offlist. And I thank you all for this wonderful resource.
>> Carlos.
> 
> 
> 

Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

[Carlos A. Carnero Delgado]

Hi,

(disclaimer: I'm Cuban national, living in Cuba, and a long time lurker in
this great list)

2016-02-19 15:27 GMT-05:00 Faisal Imtiaz :

> Considering the fact that such a block was just put in place about a week
> ago ?
> Last time I checked, blocking any part of the world is not part of any
> legal requirements on any Global Service Provider ? other than a 'company
> policy' ?
>

Being denied access to services, as a Cuban national, is something that
we've all experienced here and we (sadly) have come to accept it as a fact
of life. Sometimes we resort to proxies/VPNs in order to conceal our origin
-- and by a similar token, sometimes, our destination ;).

However, there are a couple of things that have made me wondering how
arbitrary decisions can be. I think sometimes it just boils down to
specific provider policies that try to (maybe rightfully) cover their
bottoms in the light of the law. For instance, I can't hide the fact that I
have access to Gmail; but at the same time there are many Google properties
and services than I can't. There are many companies, global companies, that
I can't access, and others are open to us which are, paradoxically,
completely based on the US and under US law (won't name them publicly to
avoid potential damage).

Any way, I'm going back to lurk mode. However, feel free to ask anything,
on- of offlist. And I thank you all for this wonderful resource.
Carlos.

Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

[Bacon Zombie]

They have not blocked port 25 on their "legacy" EU Servers.
On 20 Feb 2016 9:39 am, "Yang Yu"  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Tony Wicks  wrote:
> > I had a couple of VM's (personal mail/web hosting) with a provider who
> used Softlayer for transit. About a month ago Softlayer (without any notice
> or warning) blocked all outgoing port 25 at multipole datacentres for this
> provider. It took the hosting provider half a day to work out what had
> happened. Needless to say as much as I liked the company I had to move my
> hosts elsewhere (they did refund me to their credit). It seems that someone
> at Softlayer is extremely aggressive on their blocking policies to the
> point of making their service unusable. I would highly recommend the
> community votes with its wallet when it comes to these turkeys.
> >
>
> http://knowledgelayer.softlayer.com/content/outbound-email-port-25
>
> The announcement supposedly came out sometime late last year.
> "We offer a trusted third party email relay service from SendGrid for
> those customers who need to be able to send outbound email from their
> domains or applications."
>
> It seems some indirect customers were not informed of it until it went
> into effect on Feb 1, 2016. For me the monitoring service on port 25
> stopped working.
>

Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

[Sebastian Spies]

Yep, see here

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5kLBHCcFJjFREtoMWtzMXljWXc/view?usp=sharing

No prefix responds.

Best,
Sebastian


Am 19.02.2016 um 21:27 schrieb Faisal Imtiaz:
> Hello All, 
>
> This is a shout out to Softlayer Network Admin / Policy folks...
>
> We just went thru a painful process to find out that Softlayer has recently 
> decided to block Cuba IP Address Space(on their cloud services).
>
> I am not a politician, nor any kind of a policy expert, However I have a  
> questions for the SoftLayer folks...
>
> On What basis, legal requirement, logic,  have they taken on the 
> responsibility to implement such a Block ? 
>
> Considering the fact that such a block was just put in place about a week ago 
> ? 
> Last time I checked, blocking any part of the world is not part of any legal 
> requirements on any Global Service Provider ? other than a 'company policy' ?
>
> Also, the Last time I checked the US Cuba relations are getting better not 
> worse!
>
> Would love to know what was the reasoning behind such action !
>
> Thank you. 
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom

Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

[Yang Yu]

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Tony Wicks  wrote:
> I had a couple of VM's (personal mail/web hosting) with a provider who used 
> Softlayer for transit. About a month ago Softlayer (without any notice or 
> warning) blocked all outgoing port 25 at multipole datacentres for this 
> provider. It took the hosting provider half a day to work out what had 
> happened. Needless to say as much as I liked the company I had to move my 
> hosts elsewhere (they did refund me to their credit). It seems that someone 
> at Softlayer is extremely aggressive on their blocking policies to the point 
> of making their service unusable. I would highly recommend the community 
> votes with its wallet when it comes to these turkeys.
>

http://knowledgelayer.softlayer.com/content/outbound-email-port-25

The announcement supposedly came out sometime late last year.
"We offer a trusted third party email relay service from SendGrid for
those customers who need to be able to send outbound email from their
domains or applications."

It seems some indirect customers were not informed of it until it went
into effect on Feb 1, 2016. For me the monitoring service on port 25
stopped working.

RE: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

[Tony Wicks]

>
>Cc: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org>
>Subject: Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?
>

I had a couple of VM's (personal mail/web hosting) with a provider who used 
Softlayer for transit. About a month ago Softlayer (without any notice or 
warning) blocked all outgoing port 25 at multipole datacentres for this 
provider. It took the hosting provider half a day to work out what had 
happened. Needless to say as much as I liked the company I had to move my hosts 
elsewhere (they did refund me to their credit). It seems that someone at 
Softlayer is extremely aggressive on their blocking policies to the point of 
making their service unusable. I would highly recommend the community votes 
with its wallet when it comes to these turkeys.

Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Thanks,

But this just exasperates their Stupidity and in-correct assumption that 
somehow allowing internet communications is equal to doing business with these 
countries.

They need to get better legal advisers, may be people who can think and 
actually understand what is the internet... so that they know the difference

(in their own words) The United States prohibits most commercial 
transactions Tcp/IP connections are NOT COMMERCIAL TRANSACTIONS !!!

So what are we going to see from them next .. A Posted Policy at the Entrance 
to the DataCenter " Due to US Economic Sanctions.. We will not allow entry to 
people who speak Spanish (Cuba),Farsi (Iran), Korean, and Arabic (Sudan) but if 
you are Sudanese and speak Dinka, you will be allowed"



Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


- Original Message -
> From: "Frank Bulk" <frnk...@iname.com>
> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:57:27 PM
> Subject: RE: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

> Official statement here:
> https://knowledgelayer.softlayer.com/faq/softlayer-network-wide-ip-blocking
> 
> Frank
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+frnkblk=iname@nanog.org] On Behalf Of
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:21 PM
> To: Carlos A. Carnero Delgado <carloscarn...@gmail.com>
> Cc: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?
> 
> Ola Carlos,
> 
> I am very familiar with Govt. instituted restrictions, and yes, people always
> find ways to get around it. I cannot speak for the Cuban Gov. nor for the US
> Gov. as to what they decide to do and when.
> 
> What was/is irksome about Softlayer's decision is the following:-
> 
> 1) Unilateral implementation of a restricted policy without any notification.
> 
> 2) The broad stroke implementation of a Gov Policy that does not apply to the
> communication service they applied the policy to.
> 
> i.e. As much as we all dislike Dictatorial Behavior, and we fully recognize
> Softlayer is a Private Entity, who can exercise it's right to act
> Dictatorially, Such behavior in the overall community (Internet) is frowned
> upon and (as it should) have a long term negative affect to business.
> 
> Saludos.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
>> From: "Carlos A. Carnero Delgado" <carloscarn...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 6:08:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?
> 
>> Hi,
> 
>> (disclaimer: I'm Cuban national, living in Cuba, and a long time lurker in 
>> this
>> great list)
> 
>> 2016-02-19 15:27 GMT-05:00 Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > :
> 
>>> Considering the fact that such a block was just put in place about a week 
>>> ago ?
>>> Last time I checked, blocking any part of the world is not part of any legal
>>> requirements on any Global Service Provider ? other than a 'company policy' 
>>> ?
> 
>> Being denied access to services, as a Cuban national, is something that we've
>> all experienced here and we (sadly) have come to accept it as a fact of life.
>> Sometimes we resort to proxies/VPNs in order to conceal our origin -- and by 
>> a
>> similar token, sometimes, our destination ;).
> 
>> However, there are a couple of things that have made me wondering how 
>> arbitrary
>> decisions can be. I think sometimes it just boils down to specific provider
>> policies that try to (maybe rightfully) cover their bottoms in the light of 
>> the
>> law. For instance, I can't hide the fact that I have access to Gmail; but at
>> the same time there are many Google properties and services than I can't. 
>> There
>> are many companies, global companies, that I can't access, and others are 
>> open
>> to us which are, paradoxically, completely based on the US and under US law
>> (won't name them publicly to avoid potential damage).
> 
>> Any way, I'm going back to lurk mode. However, feel free to ask anything, 
>> on- of
>> offlist. And I thank you all for this wonderful resource.
> > Carlos.

RE: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

[frnkblk]

Official statement here: 
https://knowledgelayer.softlayer.com/faq/softlayer-network-wide-ip-blocking

Frank

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+frnkblk=iname@nanog.org] On Behalf Of 
Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:21 PM
To: Carlos A. Carnero Delgado <carloscarn...@gmail.com>
Cc: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

Ola Carlos, 

I am very familiar with Govt. instituted restrictions, and yes, people always 
find ways to get around it. I cannot speak for the Cuban Gov. nor for the US 
Gov. as to what they decide to do and when. 

What was/is irksome about Softlayer's decision is the following:- 

1) Unilateral implementation of a restricted policy without any notification. 

2) The broad stroke implementation of a Gov Policy that does not apply to the 
communication service they applied the policy to. 

i.e. As much as we all dislike Dictatorial Behavior, and we fully recognize 
Softlayer is a Private Entity, who can exercise it's right to act 
Dictatorially, Such behavior in the overall community (Internet) is frowned 
upon and (as it should) have a long term negative affect to business. 

Saludos. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Carlos A. Carnero Delgado" <carloscarn...@gmail.com>
> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 6:08:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

> Hi,

> (disclaimer: I'm Cuban national, living in Cuba, and a long time lurker in 
> this
> great list)

> 2016-02-19 15:27 GMT-05:00 Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > :

>> Considering the fact that such a block was just put in place about a week 
>> ago ?
>> Last time I checked, blocking any part of the world is not part of any legal
>> requirements on any Global Service Provider ? other than a 'company policy' ?

> Being denied access to services, as a Cuban national, is something that we've
> all experienced here and we (sadly) have come to accept it as a fact of life.
> Sometimes we resort to proxies/VPNs in order to conceal our origin -- and by a
> similar token, sometimes, our destination ;).

> However, there are a couple of things that have made me wondering how 
> arbitrary
> decisions can be. I think sometimes it just boils down to specific provider
> policies that try to (maybe rightfully) cover their bottoms in the light of 
> the
> law. For instance, I can't hide the fact that I have access to Gmail; but at
> the same time there are many Google properties and services than I can't. 
> There
> are many companies, global companies, that I can't access, and others are open
> to us which are, paradoxically, completely based on the US and under US law
> (won't name them publicly to avoid potential damage).

> Any way, I'm going back to lurk mode. However, feel free to ask anything, on- 
> of
> offlist. And I thank you all for this wonderful resource.
> Carlos.

Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Ola Carlos, 

I am very familiar with Govt. instituted restrictions, and yes, people always 
find ways to get around it. I cannot speak for the Cuban Gov. nor for the US 
Gov. as to what they decide to do and when. 

What was/is irksome about Softlayer's decision is the following:- 

1) Unilateral implementation of a restricted policy without any notification. 

2) The broad stroke implementation of a Gov Policy that does not apply to the 
communication service they applied the policy to. 

i.e. As much as we all dislike Dictatorial Behavior, and we fully recognize 
Softlayer is a Private Entity, who can exercise it's right to act 
Dictatorially, Such behavior in the overall community (Internet) is frowned 
upon and (as it should) have a long term negative affect to business. 

Saludos. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Carlos A. Carnero Delgado" <carloscarn...@gmail.com>
> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 6:08:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

> Hi,

> (disclaimer: I'm Cuban national, living in Cuba, and a long time lurker in 
> this
> great list)

> 2016-02-19 15:27 GMT-05:00 Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > :

>> Considering the fact that such a block was just put in place about a week 
>> ago ?
>> Last time I checked, blocking any part of the world is not part of any legal
>> requirements on any Global Service Provider ? other than a 'company policy' ?

> Being denied access to services, as a Cuban national, is something that we've
> all experienced here and we (sadly) have come to accept it as a fact of life.
> Sometimes we resort to proxies/VPNs in order to conceal our origin -- and by a
> similar token, sometimes, our destination ;).

> However, there are a couple of things that have made me wondering how 
> arbitrary
> decisions can be. I think sometimes it just boils down to specific provider
> policies that try to (maybe rightfully) cover their bottoms in the light of 
> the
> law. For instance, I can't hide the fact that I have access to Gmail; but at
> the same time there are many Google properties and services than I can't. 
> There
> are many companies, global companies, that I can't access, and others are open
> to us which are, paradoxically, completely based on the US and under US law
> (won't name them publicly to avoid potential damage).

> Any way, I'm going back to lurk mode. However, feel free to ask anything, on- 
> of
> offlist. And I thank you all for this wonderful resource.
> Carlos.

Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

[Collin Anderson]

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> So, out of the blue, after years and years of everything working, suddenly
> emails flowing thru spam filtering service hosted on Softlayer Cloud,
> totally blocked any / all  emails from Cuba from coming thru... We just
> spent last 10 days tracking everything down 
>

That's a terrible mess, and vividly illustrates how such poor compliance
decision-making clobbers a policy that the U.S. is attempting to promote
(both Internet and flights). Protecting Internet access in sanctioned
countries has been a longtime advocacy project of mine, and something that
from a legal perspective there has been pretty considerable success on.
These sorts of case studies are helpful, so please feel free to drop a note
if such issues arise in the future.

-- 
*Collin David Anderson*
averysmallbird.com | @cda | Washington, D.C.

Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Yep, this is a classic case of Corporate Stupidity, "We don't want to deal with 
any possibility of an exposure, so we are going to take a self initiated 
actions to make our network becomes a cordoned off island' Oops, the fact 
that we are a communications service provider where such rules don't apply 
seems to get lost since no one wants to stick their neck out or use some brain 
cells for thinking things thru.. 

Anyhow, for those who are wondering how this has a trickle down affect ! 
Well our customer is one of the few licensed charter flight operators to 
Cuba... There has to be information exchange in regards to these flights and 
passengers before the they are allowed to travel/ take off etc etc... 

So, out of the blue, after years and years of everything working, suddenly 
emails flowing thru spam filtering service hosted on Softlayer Cloud, totally 
blocked any / all emails from Cuba from coming thru... We just spent last 10 
days tracking everything down  

!! 

Happy Friday to everyone ! 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 

> From: "Collin Anderson" <col...@averysmallbird.com>
> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:04:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

> Being as Softlayer is owned by IBM and headquartered in Virginia, they are
> pretty bound by U.S. sanctions policy, although this is obviously
> overcompliance. Essentially if there was to be a prohibited customer and a
> threat of enforcement, they want to be able to say they took extreme steps to
> prevent use of their network in those countries.
> This is also unfortunately a common sanctions compliance practice by service
> providers -- GoDaddy had done so for years until recently and Google continues
> to for GAE and GCE. Apparently Softlayer's network change was put into place a
> couple of weeks ago, and covers all the comprehensively sanctioned countries 
> --
> Iran, Cuba, Syria, North Korea and Sudan (should block Crimea as well in that
> case).
> It's not clear that their customers know they are blocked from something like
> 150 million potential users, and you are right, in fact the Cuba sanctions
> regulations were modified last month to expand authorizations on such
> transaction. It's extremely counterproductive and in direct contradiction to
> well established policy on Internet access in sanctioned countries.

> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> wrote:

>> Hello All,

>> This is a shout out to Softlayer Network Admin / Policy folks...

>> We just went thru a painful process to find out that Softlayer has recently
>> decided to block Cuba IP Address Space(on their cloud services).

>> I am not a politician, nor any kind of a policy expert, However I have a
>> questions for the SoftLayer folks...

>> On What basis, legal requirement, logic, have they taken on the 
>> responsibility
>> to implement such a Block ?

>> Considering the fact that such a block was just put in place about a week 
>> ago ?
>> Last time I checked, blocking any part of the world is not part of any legal
>> requirements on any Global Service Provider ? other than a 'company policy' ?

>> Also, the Last time I checked the US Cuba relations are getting better not
>> worse!

>> Would love to know what was the reasoning behind such action !

>> Thank you.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom

> --
> Collin David Anderson
> averysmallbird.com | @cda | Washington, D.C.

Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

[Mike Hammett]

http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2016/02/11/ibm-softlayer-blocks-services-iran-us-lifts-sanctions/
 

This is likely the same situation. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> 
To: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> 
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:27:59 PM 
Subject: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ? 


Hello All, 

This is a shout out to Softlayer Network Admin / Policy folks... 

We just went thru a painful process to find out that Softlayer has recently 
decided to block Cuba IP Address Space(on their cloud services). 

I am not a politician, nor any kind of a policy expert, However I have a 
questions for the SoftLayer folks... 

On What basis, legal requirement, logic, have they taken on the responsibility 
to implement such a Block ? 

Considering the fact that such a block was just put in place about a week ago ? 
Last time I checked, blocking any part of the world is not part of any legal 
requirements on any Global Service Provider ? other than a 'company policy' ? 

Also, the Last time I checked the US Cuba relations are getting better not 
worse! 

Would love to know what was the reasoning behind such action ! 

Thank you. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 

Re: Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

[Collin Anderson]

Being as Softlayer is owned by IBM and headquartered in Virginia, they are
pretty bound by U.S. sanctions policy, although this is obviously
overcompliance. Essentially if there was to be a prohibited customer and a
threat of enforcement, they want to be able to say they took extreme steps
to prevent use of their network in those countries.

This is also unfortunately a common sanctions compliance practice by
service providers -- GoDaddy had done so for years until recently and
Google continues to for GAE and GCE. Apparently Softlayer's network change
was put into place a couple of weeks ago, and covers all the
comprehensively sanctioned countries -- Iran, Cuba, Syria, North Korea and
Sudan (should block Crimea as well in that case).

It's not clear that their customers know they are blocked from something
like 150 million potential users, and you are right, in fact the Cuba
sanctions regulations were modified last month to expand authorizations on
such transaction. It's extremely counterproductive and in direct
contradiction to well established policy on Internet access in sanctioned
countries.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

>
> Hello All,
>
> This is a shout out to Softlayer Network Admin / Policy folks...
>
> We just went thru a painful process to find out that Softlayer has
> recently decided to block Cuba IP Address Space(on their cloud
> services).
>
> I am not a politician, nor any kind of a policy expert, However I have a
>  questions for the SoftLayer folks...
>
> On What basis, legal requirement, logic,  have they taken on the
> responsibility to implement such a Block ?
>
> Considering the fact that such a block was just put in place about a week
> ago ?
> Last time I checked, blocking any part of the world is not part of any
> legal requirements on any Global Service Provider ? other than a 'company
> policy' ?
>
> Also, the Last time I checked the US Cuba relations are getting better not
> worse!
>
> Would love to know what was the reasoning behind such action !
>
> Thank you.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>



-- 
*Collin David Anderson*
averysmallbird.com | @cda | Washington, D.C.

Softlayer / Blocking Cuba IP's ?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hello All, 

This is a shout out to Softlayer Network Admin / Policy folks...

We just went thru a painful process to find out that Softlayer has recently 
decided to block Cuba IP Address Space(on their cloud services).

I am not a politician, nor any kind of a policy expert, However I have a  
questions for the SoftLayer folks...

On What basis, legal requirement, logic,  have they taken on the responsibility 
to implement such a Block ? 

Considering the fact that such a block was just put in place about a week ago ? 
Last time I checked, blocking any part of the world is not part of any legal 
requirements on any Global Service Provider ? other than a 'company policy' ?

Also, the Last time I checked the US Cuba relations are getting better not 
worse!

Would love to know what was the reasoning behind such action !

Thank you. 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom