subject:"TEST"

Re: IPv6 Test Pages for Fortune 500 and Top 100 web sites are back

2024-02-12 Thread John Lightfoot

Well that data is disappointing.

From: NANOG  on behalf of Owen 
DeLong via NANOG 
Date: Monday, February 12, 2024 at 5:03 PM
To: NANOG list 
Subject: IPv6 Test Pages for Fortune 500 and Top 100 web sites are back
Don’t know how much anyone will still care about these pages as there are lots 
of other sources of similar data these days.

However, I finally got around to fixing the two pages I maintain:

http://www.delong.com/ipv6_fortune500.html and
http://www.delong.com/ipv6_alexa500.html

In the case of Alexa, the page is no longer based on Alexa since Amazon 
discontinued that service and now uses the Majestic 1,000,000 as a source 
(grabs the first 500 entries from their list). This page was broken since 
Amazon discontinued the Alexa service.

The Fortune 500 site still uses the same datasource, but the script was 
crashing due to sites with borked SSL implementations which caused PERL to 
abort on an exception that I never figured out how to trap or ignore. As such, 
I’m now manually maintaining an exception list of such sites in the script and 
testing them is bypassed to prevent the script from crashing. Obviously, this 
is not ideal, but I found no better solution so far.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled NANOG chatter.

Owen

<http://www.delong.com/ipv6_alexa500.html>

IPv6 Test Pages for Fortune 500 and Top 100 web sites are back

2024-02-12 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG

Don’t know how much anyone will still care about these pages as there are lots 
of other sources of similar data these days.

However, I finally got around to fixing the two pages I maintain:

http://www.delong.com/ipv6_fortune500.html and
http://www.delong.com/ipv6_alexa500.html

In the case of Alexa, the page is no longer based on Alexa since Amazon 
discontinued that service and now uses the Majestic 1,000,000 as a source 
(grabs the first 500 entries from their list). This page was broken since 
Amazon discontinued the Alexa service.

The Fortune 500 site still uses the same datasource, but the script was 
crashing due to sites with borked SSL implementations which caused PERL to 
abort on an exception that I never figured out how to trap or ignore. As such, 
I’m now manually maintaining an exception list of such sites in the script and 
testing them is bypassed to prevent the script from crashing. Obviously, this 
is not ideal, but I found no better solution so far.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled NANOG chatter.

Owen

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-11 Thread Jay R. Ashworth

I'm not disabled (any more than being 58 years old makes you), but I know
lots of people who are.

And procmail still works just fine, I'm told.

Cheers,
-- jra

- Original Message -
> From: "Fred Baker" 
> To: "Warren Kumari" 
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Friday, October 6, 2023 4:28:43 PM
> Subject: Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

> It’s been absurd for a while now…
> 
> Sent using a machine that autocorrects in interesting ways...
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2023, at 1:15 PM, Warren Kumari  wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 2:58 PM, Sean Donelan < s...@donelan.com > wrote:
> 
>>> The Disability Advocacy Community has been extensively involved with 
>>> CMAS/WEA
>>> since President Bush signed the WARN Act, passed by a republican house and
>>> republican senate, in 2006.
> 
>>> The dozens of disability groups helped design the sound and vibration 
>>> cadence
>>> (which is different than EAS), and the policies for alerting.
> 
>>> Nation-wide testing (EAS) has been conducted since 2011. And nation-wide 
>>> testing
>>> (WEA) since 2014. National tests were conducted almost every between 2011 
>>> and
>>> 2020, suspended during the pandemic.
> 
>>> The national tests are announced at least 60 days in advance by the FCC and
>>> FEMA. News media have multiple stories. Most state and many local goverments
>>> also had notifications.
> 
>>> If you haven't been involved with the disability community for a decade, and
>>> your school office didn't notify special education teachers about the news
>>> releases and government advance notifications, perhaps that's room for
>>> improvement with local school communications. Fire drills, tornado drills, 
>>> etc.
>>> often involve loud sounds and flashing lights.
> 
>> Fine! In that case I *demand* that we stop having fires and tornados and
>> similar. It's super-disruptive to have to go and hide in my basement *every
>> single time* there is a tornado, or pull over every time a fire engine comes
>> barreling down the road…. and those sirens!... and the flashy lights!
>> Wake up people, fire truck and police sirens are *specifically designed* to
>> disrupt! It's all part of their plan to, erm…. well, something something….
> 
>> Ok, now that we have reached the absurdum part of reductio ad absurdum can we
>> get back to network engineering?
> 
> > W

-- 
Jay R. Ashworth  Baylink   j...@baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think   RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates   http://www.bcp38.info  2000 Land Rover DII
St Petersburg FL USA  BCP38: Ask For It By Name!   +1 727 647 1274

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-06 Thread Fred Baker

It’s been absurd for a while now…Sent using a machine that autocorrects in interesting ways...On Oct 6, 2023, at 1:15 PM, Warren Kumari wrote:On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 2:58 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
The Disability Advocacy Community has been extensively involved with
CMAS/WEA since President Bush signed the WARN Act, passed by a republican
house and republican senate, in 2006.

The dozens of disability groups helped design the sound and vibration
cadence (which is different than EAS), and the policies for alerting.

Nation-wide testing (EAS) has been conducted since 2011. And nation-wide
testing (WEA) since 2014. National tests were conducted almost every
between 2011 and 2020, suspended during the pandemic.

The national tests are announced at least 60 days in advance by the FCC
and FEMA. News media have multiple stories. Most state and many local
goverments also had notifications.

If you haven't been involved with the disability community for a decade,
and your school office didn't notify special education teachers about the
news releases and government advance notifications, perhaps that's room
for improvement with local school communications. Fire drills, tornado
drills, etc. often involve loud sounds and flashing lights.Fine! In that case I *demand* that we stop having fires and tornados and similar. It's super-disruptive to have to go and hide in my basement *every single time* there is a tornado, or pull over every time a fire engine comes barreling down the road…. and those sirens!... and the flashy lights! Wake up people, fire truck and police sirens are *specifically designed* to disrupt! It's all part of their plan to, erm…. well, something something….Ok, now that we have reached the absurdum part of reductio ad absurdum can we get back to network engineering?W

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-06 Thread Warren Kumari

On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 2:58 PM, Sean Donelan  wrote:

> The Disability Advocacy Community has been extensively involved with
> CMAS/WEA since President Bush signed the WARN Act, passed by a republican
> house and republican senate, in 2006.
>
> The dozens of disability groups helped design the sound and vibration
> cadence (which is different than EAS), and the policies for alerting.
>
> Nation-wide testing (EAS) has been conducted since 2011. And nation-wide
> testing (WEA) since 2014. National tests were conducted almost every
> between 2011 and 2020, suspended during the pandemic.
>
> The national tests are announced at least 60 days in advance by the FCC
> and FEMA. News media have multiple stories. Most state and many local
> goverments also had notifications.
>
> If you haven't been involved with the disability community for a decade,
> and your school office didn't notify special education teachers about the
> news releases and government advance notifications, perhaps that's room for
> improvement with local school communications. Fire drills, tornado drills,
> etc. often involve loud sounds and flashing lights.
>

Fine! In that case I *demand* that we stop having fires and tornados and
similar. It's super-disruptive to have to go and hide in my basement *every
single time* there is a tornado, or pull over every time a fire engine
comes barreling down the road…. and those sirens!... and the flashy lights!
Wake up people, fire truck and police sirens are *specifically designed* to
disrupt! It's all part of their plan to, erm…. well, something something….

Ok, now that we have reached the absurdum part of reductio ad absurdum can
we get back to network engineering?

W

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-06 Thread Sean Donelan




The Disability Advocacy Community has been extensively involved with 
CMAS/WEA since President Bush signed the WARN Act, passed by a republican 
house and republican senate, in 2006.


The dozens of disability groups helped design the sound and vibration 
cadence (which is different than EAS), and the policies for alerting.


Nation-wide testing (EAS) has been conducted since 2011.  And nation-wide 
testing (WEA) since 2014.  National tests were conducted almost every 
between 2011 and 2020, suspended during the pandemic.


The national tests are announced at least 60 days in advance by the FCC 
and FEMA. News media have multiple stories.  Most state and many local 
goverments also had notifications.



If you haven't been involved with the disability community for a decade, 
and your school office didn't notify special education teachers about the 
news releases and government advance notifications, perhaps that's room 
for improvement with local school communications.  Fire drills, tornado 
drills, etc. often involve loud sounds and flashing lights.

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-05 Thread Collider

While I agree with the thrust of what Sabri is saying, let's not delude 
ourselves - this is not a freedom of speech/"1st amdt." issue. The freedom of 
the press does not mean the government is obligated not to favour given presses 
(to include its own). That one's religion - freedom of religion means the 
government cannot (dis)favour any religion to be practiced by any given person 
(except, in many European countries, the King).

This is primarily a disability rights or equal protection issue (a disabled 
person should be able to choose some aspects of an emergency alert e.g. 
strobing their lights rather than firing a siren, or doing neither if their 
response to the startle response would train them to hit dismiss w/o reading, 
by which point the alert isn't saved as a notification). Disability rights 
frankly are not widely recognized by governments, even where laws exist.

There's also the risk that this could create false alarm over non-alarming 
circumstances used spuriously by parties with alerting access.

Le 5 octobre 2023 15:31:00 UTC, Grant Taylor via NANOG  a 
écrit :
>On 10/4/23 6:15 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
>> If this is true, and I will take your word for it, that is outrageous.
>
>Why is this outrageous?
>
>> My wife is a teacher who works with special needs kids, and her phone went 
>> of twice (the second time 15 minutes after the first). This was very 
>> disruptive as you can imagine.
>
>I can understand and appreciate the situation.
>
>> Obviously, I made sure all of the emergency notifications were set to OFF on 
>> her phone. If setting this nonsense to OFF is not working, why even have the 
>> menu option?
>
>Because the menu options apply to -- let's go with -- lesser priority / lower 
>authority alerts.
>
>> The government has no right to disrupt the day of 350 million people, 
>> however much the self-appointed emergency communication "professionals" like 
>> to think so.
>
>I can't speak to the government's right to do something or not.
>
>But I can see why governments would want the ability for one person, or their 
>proxies, to have the technical capability to send an alert to all devices in 
>their territory.
>
>I think this is a case of where four nines of alerts can be suppressed in 
>software, but the fifth nine deliberately can't be suppressed.
>
>> Furthermore, it's simply unnecessary. It is incredibly easy to add a one-bit 
>> flag indicating whether or not it's a test to such alerts.
>
>There is a test flag.
>
>My phone shows an option to ignore tests.
>
>My phone does ignore weekly tests without any problem.
>
>It seems to be that the powers that be decided to send this test without the 
>test bit set.  --  Or perhaps the presidential indicator is mutually exclusive 
>to the test bit.
>
>> This whole test was a display of poor engineering and disrespect for 
>> people's first amendment rights.
>
>I disagree.  But I digress.
>
>> Thanks,
>
>:-)
>
>
>
>-- 
>Grant. . . .
>unix || die
>

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-05 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG


On 10/4/23 6:15 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:

If this is true, and I will take your word for it, that is outrageous.


Why is this outrageous?

My wife is a teacher who works with special needs kids, and her phone 
went of twice (the second time 15 minutes after the first). This was 
very disruptive as you can imagine.


I can understand and appreciate the situation.

Obviously, I made sure all of the emergency notifications were set 
to OFF on her phone. If setting this nonsense to OFF is not working, 
why even have the menu option?


Because the menu options apply to -- let's go with -- lesser priority / 
lower authority alerts.


The government has no right to disrupt the day of 350 million people, 
however much the self-appointed emergency communication "professionals" 
like to think so.


I can't speak to the government's right to do something or not.

But I can see why governments would want the ability for one person, or 
their proxies, to have the technical capability to send an alert to all 
devices in their territory.


I think this is a case of where four nines of alerts can be suppressed 
in software, but the fifth nine deliberately can't be suppressed.


Furthermore, it's simply unnecessary. It is incredibly easy to add a 
one-bit flag indicating whether or not it's a test to such alerts.


There is a test flag.

My phone shows an option to ignore tests.

My phone does ignore weekly tests without any problem.

It seems to be that the powers that be decided to send this test without 
the test bit set.  --  Or perhaps the presidential indicator is mutually 
exclusive to the test bit.


This whole test was a display of poor engineering and disrespect for 
people's first amendment rights.


I disagree.  But I digress.


Thanks,


:-)



--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-05 Thread Sam Mulvey



On 10/4/23 12:14, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
I was kinda surprised that none of my NOAA weather radios went off. I 
sorta assumed they'd be tied into the whole "national" alert setup.


That surprises me.

Did the newer alert not get bridged into the same system that NOAA 
radios use?


Is this by chance a Specific Area Message Encoding (S.A.M.E.) 
filtering / lack of data issue?


Can anyone corroborate NOAA weather radios not alerting? 



I was told this was intentional, as the intent was to test IPAWS and 
associated technologies vs. the NPT chain.   I work at a few small radio 
stations, so this was most of my day.


The FCC is mandating (very shortly) that broadcasters start weighting 
the digital alerts over the messages received from other radio stations, 
which is an upgrade that's going to cost us a bit.


-Sam

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Jay R. Ashworth

- Original Message -
> From: "Sean Donelan" 

> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, William Herrin wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:21 AM Sabri Berisha  wrote:
>>> Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what
>>> happened in Hawaii.
>>
>> For the national alert you can't. That's intentional.
>>
>> Although for some reason my silenced phone made no noise. I got the
>> alert, it popped up on the screen, but no noise.
> 
> If you don't want any interruptions, you can set your phone to "Airplane
> Mode." Airplane Mode disables reception of all Wireless Emergency Alerts
> for as long as the phone stays in Airplane Mode.

And it's even possible, on most phones I have used, to turn Airplane mode on,
and then *turn wifi back on* -- that would get you most functionality, while
still precluding WEA/CMAS alerts.

I think I've got that right, don't I, Sean?

Cheers,
-- jra
-- 
Jay R. Ashworth  Baylink   j...@baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think   RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates   http://www.bcp38.info  2000 Land Rover DII
St Petersburg FL USA  BCP38: Ask For It By Name!   +1 727 647 1274

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Sean Donelan


On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, William Herrin wrote:

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:21 AM Sabri Berisha  wrote:

Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what 
happened in Hawaii.


For the national alert you can't. That's intentional.

Although for some reason my silenced phone made no noise. I got the
alert, it popped up on the screen, but no noise.



If you don't want any interruptions, you can set your phone to "Airplane 
Mode." Airplane Mode disables reception of all Wireless Emergency Alerts 
for as long as the phone stays in Airplane Mode.

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Tom Beecher

>
> This
> whole test was a display of poor engineering and disrespect for people's
> first amendment rights.
>

You are certainly free to criticize the  system or the implementation, but
nothing about this is a First Amendment issue. Just don't.

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 7:16 PM Sabri Berisha  wrote:

> - On Oct 4, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Chris Adams c...@cmadams.net wrote:
>
> > Once upon a time, Grant Taylor  said:
> >> I don't know if today's test is the same thing or not, but I
> >> remember in the last X years where there was a presidential test of
> >> the EAS and there was supposedly no way to disable it short of
> >> turning your device off.
> >
> > IIRC it is mandated that the vendors don't allow you to turn off the
> > Presidential Alert class.
>
> If this is true, and I will take your word for it, that is outrageous.
>
> My wife is a teacher who works with special needs kids, and her phone
> went of twice (the second time 15 minutes after the first). This was
> very disruptive as you can imagine.
>
> Obviously, I made sure all of the emergency notifications were set to
> OFF on her phone. If setting this nonsense to OFF is not working, why
> even have the menu option?
>
> The government has no right to disrupt the day of 350 million people,
> however much the self-appointed emergency communication "professionals"
> like to think so.
>
> Furthermore, it's simply unnecessary. It is incredibly easy to add a
> one-bit flag indicating whether or not it's a test to such alerts. This
> whole test was a display of poor engineering and disrespect for people's
> first amendment rights.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sabri
>

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Sabri Berisha

- On Oct 4, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Chris Adams c...@cmadams.net wrote:

> Once upon a time, Grant Taylor  said:
>> I don't know if today's test is the same thing or not, but I
>> remember in the last X years where there was a presidential test of
>> the EAS and there was supposedly no way to disable it short of
>> turning your device off.
> 
> IIRC it is mandated that the vendors don't allow you to turn off the
> Presidential Alert class.

If this is true, and I will take your word for it, that is outrageous.

My wife is a teacher who works with special needs kids, and her phone
went of twice (the second time 15 minutes after the first). This was
very disruptive as you can imagine. 

Obviously, I made sure all of the emergency notifications were set to
OFF on her phone. If setting this nonsense to OFF is not working, why
even have the menu option?

The government has no right to disrupt the day of 350 million people,
however much the self-appointed emergency communication "professionals"
like to think so.

Furthermore, it's simply unnecessary. It is incredibly easy to add a 
one-bit flag indicating whether or not it's a test to such alerts. This
whole test was a display of poor engineering and disrespect for people's
first amendment rights.

Thanks,

Sabri

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread William Herrin

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:21 AM Sabri Berisha  wrote:
> Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what 
> happened in Hawaii.

For the national alert you can't. That's intentional.

Although for some reason my silenced phone made no noise. I got the
alert, it popped up on the screen, but no noise.

Regards,
Bill Herrin

-- 
William Herrin
b...@herrin.us
https://bill.herrin.us/

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Sean Donelan


On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Matthew Petach wrote:

Ah, I didn't realize that was locally set on the device--I thought that was
part of the message header in the message being sent out.

Thanks for the clarification.  ^_^


Yep.  That's why countries with a Prime Minister (or monarch or both) were 
complaining.  Canada complained politely, but complained.  :-)


The Cell Broadcast channel is very bit-limited.  No room for extra stuff. 
User interface presentation layer wrapper stuff is built into the handset.


Other countries couldn't force the change themselves. Needed the U.S. to 
stop insisting on "Presidential Alert" label and the mobile phone OS 
vendors to update their global software releases.  Mobile device 
manufactures would translate "Presidential Alert" into other languages, 
but wouldn't change it based on a country's political system outside of 
the U.S.


Global standards are great.  Tourist mobile phones work (and get emergency 
alerts) wherever governments send them, without needing funky Apps.  Fun 
at the Olympics with visitors from around the world getting an alert for 
the first time. Yes, I know some countries still insist on local funky 
Apps. But the U.S. insistance on its way is a pain in the a**.



Now need global mobile device manufactures to update their OS releases, 
everyone to buy new handsets or add it to the carrier localization 
configuration.


Apple's forced iOS migrations upset some people, but it does keep its 
ecosystem up to date.

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Matthew Petach

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 12:37 PM Sean Donelan  wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Matthew Petach wrote:
> > Well, today's alert still showed up as "Presidential Alert", so I guess
> the
> > US hasn't quite finished changing over yet.  ^_^;
> > (Samsung Galaxy phone)
>
> Yeah, Samsung is bad about releasing software updates for its older (a few
> months old) products.
>
> Think about out-of-date security patches :-) if Samsung doesn't update a
> text field.

Ah, I didn't realize that was locally set on the device--I thought that was
part of the message header in the message being sent out.

Thanks for the clarification.  ^_^

Matt

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Ted Hatfield





On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Chris Adams wrote:


Once upon a time, Grant Taylor  said:

Is this by chance a Specific Area Message Encoding (S.A.M.E.)
filtering / lack of data issue?


At least in my radio, I can't disable certain classes of things (the
high and immediate impact warnings like tornado).  I would expect the
Presidential Alert class to be the same, if it exists.


Can anyone corroborate NOAA weather radios not alerting?


My weather radio went off for the regular weekly test a couple of hours
before the national alert test, and did not go off for the national
alert.

--
Chris Adams 



Fema's press release goes into details.

https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20230803/fema-and-fcc-plan-nationwide-emergency-alert-test-oct-4-2023

Ted

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Chris Adams

Once upon a time, Grant Taylor  said:
> I don't know if today's test is the same thing or not, but I
> remember in the last X years where there was a presidential test of
> the EAS and there was supposedly no way to disable it short of
> turning your device off.

IIRC it is mandated that the vendors don't allow you to turn off the
Presidential Alert class.

However... if you have an Android device supported by LineageOS, you can
turn them all off.  Which I forgot to do, so an old no-SIM phone I use
for some random things went off (curiously, it didn't go off until 8
minutes after my "regular" phone, and then only showed the Spanish
version).

-- 
Chris Adams

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Chris Adams

Once upon a time, Grant Taylor  said:
> Is this by chance a Specific Area Message Encoding (S.A.M.E.)
> filtering / lack of data issue?

At least in my radio, I can't disable certain classes of things (the
high and immediate impact warnings like tornado).  I would expect the
Presidential Alert class to be the same, if it exists.

> Can anyone corroborate NOAA weather radios not alerting?

My weather radio went off for the regular weekly test a couple of hours
before the national alert test, and did not go off for the national
alert.

-- 
Chris Adams

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Harald Koch

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023, at 15:09, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
>
> I don't know if today's test is the same thing or not, but I remember in 
> the last X years where there was a presidential test of the EAS and 
> there was supposedly no way to disable it short of turning your device off.
>
> My understanding is that -- let's go with -- lesser priority sources can 
> be silenced, but sufficiently high priority can't be.  If the device is 
> on, it's going to make noise.

It must be nice to live in a country that uses the priorities! Canada's Alert 
Ready decided that people can't be trusted and sends ALL alerts at the 
"national alert" priority.

(When Canada last tested in May, I had my phone on silent - the alert vibrated 
but did not make noise - which is a slight improvement, I guess).

-- 
Harald Koch
c...@pobox.com

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread joel



> On Oct 4, 2023, at 3:27 PM, Matthew Petach  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 12:25 PM Sean Donelan  > wrote:
>> 
>> Emergency alerts are built into all android, ios and other mobile phones 
>> sold in almost every country during the last 5 years.  GSM standards are 
>> global.  The U.S. finally changed "presidential alert" to "national alert" 
>> recently. 
> 
> Well, today's alert still showed up as "Presidential Alert", so I guess the 
> US hasn't quite finished changing over yet.  ^_^;
> (Samsung Galaxy phone)

Since only the President or the Director of FEMA can issue it…. It’s not too 
terrible.

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Sean Donelan


On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Matthew Petach wrote:

Well, today's alert still showed up as "Presidential Alert", so I guess the
US hasn't quite finished changing over yet.  ^_^;
(Samsung Galaxy phone)


Yeah, Samsung is bad about releasing software updates for its older (a few 
months old) products.


Think about out-of-date security patches :-) if Samsung doesn't update a 
text field.

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Aaron Wendel


I think this is what he was referring to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Hawaii_false_missile_alert

Apparently we don't "all remember".



On 10/4/2023 1:39 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Sabri Berisha wrote:
Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember 
what happened in Hawaii.


Do you mean the 98 people (at least) who died due to the Maui Lahaina 
wildfires.  Seems like the same people who complain about the testing 
of public warning systems also complain when they don't get a warning 
about something that personally affected them.



Public warning systems are designed to get your attention, wake you 
up, interrupt what you are doing.


Nevertheless, I understand some people will remove the batteries from 
smoke alarms and turn off public alerts.

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Sean Donelan




Inter-agency bureaucracy.

FEMA is part of Homeland Security.  National Weather Service is part of 
the Commerce Department.  Different departments of the government.


Weather radios will active for a White House issued alert from the 
President.  NOAA doesn't activate weather radios for FEMA tests.  Because.


FEMA does activate WEA for specific NOAA/NWS high-impact alerts, and 
Earthquake alerts from USGS.


FEMA, NWS, etc have FAQs and have briefed the press since 2011.

Public warning in the U.S. is FURBARed if you look too deeply.  But most 
people don't care until a tornado blows through their house at 2am.




On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:

On 10/4/23 1:45 PM, Aaron de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:
I was kinda surprised that none of my NOAA weather radios went off. I sorta 
assumed they'd be tied into the whole "national" alert setup.


That surprises me.

Did the newer alert not get bridged into the same system that NOAA radios 
use?


Is this by chance a Specific Area Message Encoding (S.A.M.E.) filtering / 
lack of data issue?


Can anyone corroborate NOAA weather radios not alerting?

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Matthew Petach

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 12:25 PM Sean Donelan  wrote:

>
> Emergency alerts are built into all android, ios and other mobile phones
> sold in almost every country during the last 5 years.  GSM standards are
> global.  The U.S. finally changed "presidential alert" to "national alert"
> recently.

Well, today's alert still showed up as "Presidential Alert", so I guess the
US hasn't quite finished changing over yet.  ^_^;
(Samsung Galaxy phone)

Matt

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Sean Donelan


On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, nanog08 wrote:

Move?  ...  :-)


Off planet?

All countries in the European Union, plus at least 35 other countries 
around the world, have or will soon implement their county-specific 
version of Emergency Mobile Alerts.


Emergency alerts are built into all android, ios and other mobile phones 
sold in almost every country during the last 5 years.  GSM standards are 
global.  The U.S. finally changed "presidential alert" to "national alert" 
recently.  People in countries with Prime Ministers or monarchs used to 
complain about Presidential Alerts, when they don't have a president.


Streaming video services currently do not have emergency alerts.  So a 
tornado destroying you house will be your warning while streaming or 
watching non-broadcast and non-cable TV.

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG


On 10/4/23 1:45 PM, Aaron de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:
I was kinda surprised that none of my NOAA weather radios went off. I 
sorta assumed they'd be tied into the whole "national" alert setup.


That surprises me.

Did the newer alert not get bridged into the same system that NOAA 
radios use?


Is this by chance a Specific Area Message Encoding (S.A.M.E.) filtering 
/ lack of data issue?


Can anyone corroborate NOAA weather radios not alerting?

Why interrupt cell phones, AM/FM radio stations, and TV stations, but 
exclude NOAA weather radios?


This seems like a failure to me.

Or there's an official deprecation for the venerable NOAA / S.A.M.E. 
radios that I grew up with, which I'm not aware of.




--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG


On 10/4/23 1:21 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
So, this "worked". Despite me ensuring that my settings for Amber 
Alerts, Emergency Alerts, Public Safety Alerts, and Test Alerts are 
all off, my phone went nuts.


I'm in a similar situation.

Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember 
what happened in Hawaii.


I don't know if today's test is the same thing or not, but I remember in 
the last X years where there was a presidential test of the EAS and 
there was supposedly no way to disable it short of turning your device off.


My understanding is that -- let's go with -- lesser priority sources can 
be silenced, but sufficiently high priority can't be.  If the device is 
on, it's going to make noise.




--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread kn

My watch and phone went off neither Streaming TV nor any of my computers 
displayed anything.



On 10/4/23 13:38, Joe Klein wrote:
Received it twice on the smartphone. Did not trigger the emergency 
weather system, nor impact stream on TV in NCR.


Joe Klein

"inveniet viam, aut faciet"^ --- Seneca's Hercules Furens (Act II, 
Scene 1)
"/I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has been." 
-- /Wayne Gretzky

"I never lose. I either win or learn" - Nelson Mandela



On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 2:35 PM Ryan A. Krenzischek via NANOG 
 wrote:


I've only gotten the alert now ...9 times.

Ryan

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Sean Donelan





On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Ryan A. Krenzischek wrote:


Yes, I already tried rebooting several times.  Perhaps a large hammer will fix 
it!  At least I know I'll be well notified in an emergency.


Everytime you turn off a mobile device, it clears the cache of previous 
alerts.


You will receive the alert again when you turn the phone on, because the 
cache will be empty.  In theory, after receiving the alert, the serial 
number will be in the cache.


I do not know why Apple and Google software engineers have trouble with 
their phone software.

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Sean Donelan




There are dozens of WEA alerts every day, 365x7 days a year. If you leave 
a hidden burner phone turned on the other 364 days a year, it will make a 
noise from something else.  Software mute buttons never mute everything.


Some groups use once a year events to get publicity for their causes 
(zombies, 5G, complaints about government, whatever).  Hawaii tests their 
state-wide siren system every month.  There are likely a few people who 
complain they were sleeping when the sirens are tested.


People who complain about everything, will likely complain about 
everything.



On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Collider wrote:

Some people have to for their safety or medical health (e.g. they're hiding
a burner phone from an abusive relative, or their blood pressure goes up
dangerously high when jumpscared).

The kinds of people who remove batteries from smoke alarms are going to
unfortunately use this affordance, if it's offered. I say let them.

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Ryan A. Krenzischek via NANOG


Yes, I already tried rebooting several times.  Perhaps a large hammer will fix 
it!  At least I know I'll be well notified in an emergency.

> On Oct 4, 2023, at 14:42, Sean Donelan  wrote:
>
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Ryan A. Krenzischek wrote:
>> I've only gotten the alert now ...9 times.
>
> Unless you keep turning your phone off, alerts have a serial number. Phones 
> check the serial number for recently received alerts.
>
>
> Or so Android and iOS developers claim.  If you are getting duplicate alerts, 
> their advice is the standard I.T. mantra -- turn you phone off and on again.
>
>



smime.p7s
Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread nanog08


Move?  ...  :-)

On 10/4/23 12:21, Sabri Berisha wrote:

- On Oct 1, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote:

Hi,


This year's test of the U.S. national emergency alert includes something
for ISPs and network operators.

So, this "worked". Despite me ensuring that my settings for Amber Alerts, 
Emergency Alerts, Public Safety Alerts, and Test Alerts are all off, my phone went nuts.

Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what 
happened in Hawaii.

Thanks,

Sabri

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Aaron de Bruyn via NANOG

I was kinda surprised that none of my NOAA weather radios went off. I sorta 
assumed they'd be tied into the whole "national" alert setup.

Why interrupt cell phones, AM/FM radio stations, and TV stations, but exclude 
NOAA weather radios?

-A

On Sun Oct 1, 2023, 10:24 PM GMT, Sean Donelan <mailto:s...@donelan.com> wrote:
>
> This year's test of the U.S. national emergency alert includes something
> for ISPs and network operators.
>
> The wireless portion of the national test is scheduled 2 minutes (2:18pm
> EDT or 1818 UTC) before the main broadcast test at 2:20. Mobile phones
> usually receive the alert about a minute later. Radio and TV will receive
> the national alert a few minutes after 2:20pm.
>
> iPhone iOS 17 added a new feature for Wireless Emergency Alerts. When iOS
> 17 iPhones get a wireless emergency alert (WEA), it will trigger a data
> network query for additional information. Its a small query and
> response, but there are a lot of iPhones making the query at the same
> time (I'm assuming Apple engineer's have built in some time skew).
>
> Apple has assured FEMA that Apple's CDN and servers will be able to handle
> the triggered load.
>
> The iOS 17 triggered query will either be a tiny blip in the network
> graphs around 2:18pm to 2:22pm which no one will notice, or some CDNs and
> ISP operators will be wondering what that heck that spike was.
>
> If your phone is configured with Spanish, it will display the alert in
> both English and Spanish.
>
> “THIS IS A TEST of the National Wireless Emergency Alert System. No action is
> needed.”
>
> “ESTA ES UNA PRUEBA del Sistema Nacional de Alerta de Emergencia. No se
> necesita acción.”
>
> You'll know your iOS17 device did an extra data query, if it displays a
> longer message (extra sentences) in addition to the messages above.
>
> "This is only a test. No action is required by the public."
>
>
> https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20230803/fema-and-fcc-plan-nationwide-emergency-alert-test-oct-4-2023

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Collider

Some people have to for their safety or medical health (e.g. they're hiding a 
burner phone from an abusive relative, or their blood pressure goes up 
dangerously high when jumpscared).

The kinds of people who remove batteries from smoke alarms are going to 
unfortunately use this affordance, if it's offered. I say let them.

Le 4 octobre 2023 18:39:04 UTC, Sean Donelan  a écrit :
>On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Sabri Berisha wrote:
>> Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what 
>> happened in Hawaii.
>
>Do you mean the 98 people (at least) who died due to the Maui Lahaina 
>wildfires.  Seems like the same people who complain about the testing of 
>public warning systems also complain when they don't get a warning about 
>something that personally affected them.
>
>
>Public warning systems are designed to get your attention, wake you up, 
>interrupt what you are doing.
>
>Nevertheless, I understand some people will remove the batteries from smoke 
>alarms and turn off public alerts.

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Sean Donelan


On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Ryan A. Krenzischek wrote:

I've only gotten the alert now ...9 times.


Unless you keep turning your phone off, alerts have a serial number. 
Phones check the serial number for recently received alerts.



Or so Android and iOS developers claim.  If you are getting duplicate 
alerts, their advice is the standard I.T. mantra -- turn you phone off and 
on again.

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Sean Donelan


On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Sabri Berisha wrote:

Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what 
happened in Hawaii.


Do you mean the 98 people (at least) who died due to the Maui Lahaina 
wildfires.  Seems like the same people who complain about the testing of 
public warning systems also complain when they don't get a warning about 
something that personally affected them.



Public warning systems are designed to get your attention, wake you up, 
interrupt what you are doing.


Nevertheless, I understand some people will remove the batteries from 
smoke alarms and turn off public alerts.

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Joe Klein

Received it twice on the smartphone. Did not trigger the emergency weather
system, nor impact stream on TV in NCR.

Joe Klein

"inveniet viam, aut faciet" --- Seneca's Hercules Furens (Act II, Scene 1)
"*I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has been."
-- *Wayne
Gretzky
"I never lose. I either win or learn" - Nelson Mandela


On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 2:35 PM Ryan A. Krenzischek via NANOG <
nanog@nanog.org> wrote:

> I've only gotten the alert now ...9 times.
>
> Ryan
>

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Ryan A. Krenzischek via NANOG

I've only gotten the alert now ...9 times.

Ryan


smime.p7s
Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature

RE: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Kain, Becki (.) via NANOG

My watch went off.  scared the beejeebus out of me

-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Sabri Berisha
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2023 2:21 PM
To: Sean Donelan 
Cc: nanog 
Subject: Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

WARNING: This message originated outside of Ford Motor Company. Use caution 
when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding.

- On Oct 1, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote:

Hi,

> This year's test of the U.S. national emergency alert includes 
> something for ISPs and network operators.

So, this "worked". Despite me ensuring that my settings for Amber Alerts, 
Emergency Alerts, Public Safety Alerts, and Test Alerts are all off, my phone 
went nuts.

Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what 
happened in Hawaii.

Thanks,

Sabri

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-04 Thread Sabri Berisha

- On Oct 1, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote:

Hi,

> This year's test of the U.S. national emergency alert includes something
> for ISPs and network operators.

So, this "worked". Despite me ensuring that my settings for Amber Alerts, 
Emergency Alerts, Public Safety Alerts, and Test Alerts are all off, my phone 
went nuts.

Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what 
happened in Hawaii.

Thanks,

Sabri

U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-01 Thread Sean Donelan

This year's test of the U.S. national emergency alert includes something
for ISPs and network operators.

The wireless portion of the national test is scheduled 2 minutes (2:18pm
EDT or 1818 UTC) before the main broadcast test at 2:20. Mobile phones
usually receive the alert about a minute later. Radio and TV will receive
the national alert a few minutes after 2:20pm.

iPhone iOS 17 added a new feature for Wireless Emergency Alerts. When iOS
17 iPhones get a wireless emergency alert (WEA), it will trigger a data
network query for additional information. Its a small query and
response, but there are a lot of iPhones making the query at the same
time (I'm assuming Apple engineer's have built in some time skew).

Apple has assured FEMA that Apple's CDN and servers will be able to handle
the triggered load.

The iOS 17 triggered query will either be a tiny blip in the network
graphs around 2:18pm to 2:22pm which no one will notice, or some CDNs and
ISP operators will be wondering what that heck that spike was.

If your phone is configured with Spanish, it will display the alert in
both English and Spanish.

“THIS IS A TEST of the National Wireless Emergency Alert System. No action is
needed.”

“ESTA ES UNA PRUEBA del Sistema Nacional de Alerta de Emergencia. No se
necesita acción.”

You'll know your iOS17 device did an extra data query, if it displays a
longer message (extra sentences) in addition to the messages above.

"This is only a test. No action is required by the public."

https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20230803/fema-and-fcc-plan-nationwide-emergency-alert-test-oct-4-2023

Re: Test Lab Best Practices

2023-09-28 Thread Aaron1

I love the built-in Wireshark capability in EVE-NG.  BTW, EVE-NG Community is 
free.  You just have to get images for anything you want to emulate.  Virtual 
images for various vendor products are sometimes freely available, with trail 
licenses.  For instance Junipers vMX was freely available for a while with a 60 
day license.  …also vSRX, vQFX, and the new vJunos-switch (I think vEX). 

Aaron

> On Sep 28, 2023, at 3:16 PM, Mark Prosser  wrote:
> 
> ++ all that was said thus far. Physical equipment with console access is the 
> best way to test software/firmware issues. As for virtualization, it's great 
> for expanding your topology quickly.
> 
> Use a virtual bridge in GNS3 or EVE-NG and you can make your smaller 
> footprint physical lab into a larger topology with ease -- especially around 
> cabling. It also allows you to do packet generation & link simulation (packet 
> loss, jitter) much easier. You can even couple it with T-Rex.
> 
> - Mark
>

Re: Test Lab Best Practices

2023-09-28 Thread Brad Dreisbach


On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 10:14:24AM -0400, Kenneth Vedder wrote:

Hello NANOG,

We have been struggling with firmware bugs from a specific router vendor. I
am looking to set up a test lab of our core network and a few remote site
routers.  Protocols would include SR-MPLS, ISIS, EVPN MPLS and L3VPN with a
little OSPF sprinkled in. I'd be grateful for any tips or resources anyone
has that might cover testing strategies and/or best practices.


if you are just testing control plane features the virtualized stuff works
well. i personally use vrnetlab.

if you are trying to test hw features and use actual hardware:
remote controlled power
optical cross connect boxes(calient/telescent)
if you are testing optical stuff with distance limitation something like a
timbercon spool
ixia/spirent

-b

Re: Test Lab Best Practices

2023-09-28 Thread Mark Prosser

++ all that was said thus far. Physical equipment with console access is 
the best way to test software/firmware issues. As for virtualization, 
it's great for expanding your topology quickly.


Use a virtual bridge in GNS3 or EVE-NG and you can make your smaller 
footprint physical lab into a larger topology with ease -- especially 
around cabling. It also allows you to do packet generation & link 
simulation (packet loss, jitter) much easier. You can even couple it 
with T-Rex.


- Mark

Re: Test Lab Best Practices

2023-09-28 Thread Aaron Gould


I agree with others here...

Physical lab - gotta have console server for the most control - perle 
console server is good, and also good ole fashion cisco terminal server 
(2509/2511 or 2600 with asynch module)


Virtual labs are great for testing features and functionality

- Juniper vLabs

- Cisco DevNet sandbox

- Cisco CML (i think fka VIRL)

- EVE-NG

- GNS3

I use these virtual environments a lot and do videos about them on my 
youtube channel, where I try to cover some SP-related topics.  Hope it helps


https://jlabs.juniper.net/vlabs/

https://developer.cisco.com/site/sandbox/

https://www.youtube.com/@aarontechtalk

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2ZMKm7ZEEWI8YyRWm9fnYNtRaV-fi-7x

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2ZMKm7ZEEWLMVxuZqeXzciRu59C02NAc


-Aaron


On 9/28/2023 9:14 AM, Kenneth Vedder wrote:

Hello NANOG,

We have been struggling with firmware bugs from a specific router 
vendor. I am looking to set up a test lab of our core network and a 
few remote site routers.  Protocols would include SR-MPLS, ISIS, EVPN 
MPLS and L3VPN with a little OSPF sprinkled in. I'd be grateful for 
any tips or resources anyone has that might cover testing strategies 
and/or best practices.


Thanks,
Ken


--
-Aaron

Re: Test Lab Best Practices

2023-09-28 Thread Tom Beecher

Appliance virtualization is perfectly acceptable for a lot of things. But
there are large sets of problems that you will never catch that way.

To the OP :

With respect to 'strategies' :

1. Test something to make sure it works.
2. Then test it to see where and how it breaks.

Lots of people do #1. Not enough do #2. (Looking at you, equipment vendors.
)



On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 12:04 PM Nickolas Stevermer via NANOG <
nanog@nanog.org> wrote:

> If you're able to virtualize some of these appliances, almost any
> virtualization platform can be setup to connect nodes together. However I
> really enjoy using Eve-ng <https://www.eve-ng.net/>. It's a network
> virtualization web app that can be deployed on bare metal or in a VM. It
> lets you diagram, connect and configure setups and do testing with
> different network nodes. What is pretty nice with this is you can then just
> click on any of the connected links and wireshark pops up and you're
> viewing packet captures instantly. It kind of reminds me of Cisco's VIRL,
> but with maybe less overhead?  It has enabled me to run and connect several
> vendor appliances and build up configuration prior to acquiring the
> physical hardware for deployment.
>
> - Nick Stevermer
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 10:46 AM Mel Beckman  wrote:
>
>> In any lab,I find concurrent access to serial ports is still an essential
>> diagnostic tool. In a pinch you can get a used Cisco 2811 for $100, but
>> there are multiport devices from lots of vendors. These let you SSH into
>> the server and then connect to any serial port, giving you separate serial
>> port windows all on the same screen. I’ve become fond of the WiFi-capable
>> multiport modules from get-console.com. The ability to record logs from
>> these serial ports in real-time helps a lot for documenting regression
>> tests.
>>
>>  -mel beckman
>>
>> > On Sep 28, 2023, at 7:25 AM, Kenneth Vedder  wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > Hello NANOG,
>> >
>> > We have been struggling with firmware bugs from a specific router
>> vendor. I am looking to set up a test lab of our core network and a few
>> remote site routers.  Protocols would include SR-MPLS, ISIS, EVPN MPLS and
>> L3VPN with a little OSPF sprinkled in. I'd be grateful for any tips or
>> resources anyone has that might cover testing strategies and/or best
>> practices.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Ken
>>
>
>
> --
> *Nick Stevermer*
> Network Engineer
> Technology Department
> Duluth Public Schools
> 713 Portia Johnson Dr.
> Duluth, MN 55811
> Phone: 218-336-8754 ext 1227
>
>
>
> Confidentiality Notice: This E-mail message, including any attachments, is
> for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential
> and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or
> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please
> contact the sender by reply E-mail and destroy all copies of the original
> message.

Re: Test Lab Best Practices

2023-09-28 Thread Nickolas Stevermer via NANOG

If you're able to virtualize some of these appliances, almost any
virtualization platform can be setup to connect nodes together. However I
really enjoy using Eve-ng <https://www.eve-ng.net/>. It's a network
virtualization web app that can be deployed on bare metal or in a VM. It
lets you diagram, connect and configure setups and do testing with
different network nodes. What is pretty nice with this is you can then just
click on any of the connected links and wireshark pops up and you're
viewing packet captures instantly. It kind of reminds me of Cisco's VIRL,
but with maybe less overhead?  It has enabled me to run and connect several
vendor appliances and build up configuration prior to acquiring the
physical hardware for deployment.

- Nick Stevermer

On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 10:46 AM Mel Beckman  wrote:

> In any lab,I find concurrent access to serial ports is still an essential
> diagnostic tool. In a pinch you can get a used Cisco 2811 for $100, but
> there are multiport devices from lots of vendors. These let you SSH into
> the server and then connect to any serial port, giving you separate serial
> port windows all on the same screen. I’ve become fond of the WiFi-capable
> multiport modules from get-console.com. The ability to record logs from
> these serial ports in real-time helps a lot for documenting regression
> tests.
>
>  -mel beckman
>
> > On Sep 28, 2023, at 7:25 AM, Kenneth Vedder  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Hello NANOG,
> >
> > We have been struggling with firmware bugs from a specific router
> vendor. I am looking to set up a test lab of our core network and a few
> remote site routers.  Protocols would include SR-MPLS, ISIS, EVPN MPLS and
> L3VPN with a little OSPF sprinkled in. I'd be grateful for any tips or
> resources anyone has that might cover testing strategies and/or best
> practices.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ken
>

-- 
*Nick Stevermer*
Network Engineer
Technology Department
Duluth Public Schools
713 Portia Johnson Dr.
Duluth, MN 55811
Phone: 218-336-8754 ext 1227

-- 
Confidentiality Notice: This E-mail message, including any attachments, is 
for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential 
and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or 
distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please 
contact the sender by reply E-mail and destroy all copies of the original 
message.

Re: Test Lab Best Practices

2023-09-28 Thread Mel Beckman

In any lab,I find concurrent access to serial ports is still an essential 
diagnostic tool. In a pinch you can get a used Cisco 2811 for $100, but there 
are multiport devices from lots of vendors. These let you SSH into the server 
and then connect to any serial port, giving you separate serial port windows 
all on the same screen. I’ve become fond of the WiFi-capable multiport modules 
from get-console.com. The ability to record logs from these serial ports in 
real-time helps a lot for documenting regression tests. 

 -mel beckman

> On Sep 28, 2023, at 7:25 AM, Kenneth Vedder  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello NANOG,
> 
> We have been struggling with firmware bugs from a specific router vendor. I 
> am looking to set up a test lab of our core network and a few remote site 
> routers.  Protocols would include SR-MPLS, ISIS, EVPN MPLS and L3VPN with a 
> little OSPF sprinkled in. I'd be grateful for any tips or resources anyone 
> has that might cover testing strategies and/or best practices. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ken

Test Lab Best Practices

2023-09-28 Thread Kenneth Vedder

Hello NANOG,

We have been struggling with firmware bugs from a specific router vendor. I
am looking to set up a test lab of our core network and a few remote site
routers.  Protocols would include SR-MPLS, ISIS, EVPN MPLS and L3VPN with a
little OSPF sprinkled in. I'd be grateful for any tips or resources anyone
has that might cover testing strategies and/or best practices.

Thanks,
Ken

starlink deluge test and 33 (-2) engine static fire

2023-08-25 Thread Dave Taht

I know it is a bit off topic for nanog, but this test was very exciting today:

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1695158759717474379

Happy friday! While they have filed for a launch license for august
31st, it is impossible for me to believe that date! It was also
difficult to believe the deluge ("bidet") system would actually work.

I look forward to a launch vehicle capable of putting up the next
generation of starlink sats which are estimated to have 4x the
capacity of the old, and further improvements on their wifi, backbone
and satellite switching technologies.

-- 
Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxmoBr4cBKg
Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos

Re: Test Dual Queue L4S (if you are on Comcast)

2023-06-17 Thread Saku Ytti

This seems worse :)

'we are collecting data about you, but didn't bother thinking if it is needed'

On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 at 22:55, Livingood, Jason via NANOG
 wrote:
>
> In the meantime please just select some unrelated industry on the form. We 
> don’t care – it seems to be boilerplate.
>
>
>
> From: "Livingood, Jason" 
> Date: Friday, June 16, 2023 at 15:46
> To: "Eric C. Miller" , nanog 
> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Test Dual Queue L4S (if you are on Comcast)
>
>
>
> We’re working to fix that. Sorry!
>
>
>
> From: "Eric C. Miller" 
> Date: Friday, June 16, 2023 at 15:18
> To: Jason Livingood , nanog 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Test Dual Queue L4S (if you are on Comcast)
>
>
>
> FYI, when trying to sign up, it tells me that my input isn’t required because 
> I work in the telco industry.
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
> Livingood, Jason via NANOG
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 2:30 PM
> To: nanog 
> Subject: Test Dual Queue L4S (if you are on Comcast)
>
>
>
> FYI that today we (Comcast) have announced the start of low latency 
> networking (L4S) field trials. If you are a customer and would like to 
> volunteer, please visit this page.
>
>
>
> For more info, there is a blog post that just went up at 
> https://corporate.comcast.com/stories/comcast-kicks-off-industrys-first-low-latency-docsis-field-trials
>
>
>
> We anticipate testing with several different cable modems and a range of 
> applications that are marking. We plan to share detailed results of the trial 
> at IETF-118 in November.
>
>
>
> Any app developers interested in working with us can either email me 
> direction or low-latency-partner-inter...@comcast.com.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
> Jason
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
  ++ytti

RE: Test Dual Queue L4S (if you are on Comcast)

2023-06-16 Thread Livingood, Jason via NANOG

In the meantime please just select some unrelated industry on the form. We 
don’t care – it seems to be boilerplate.

From: "Livingood, Jason" 
Date: Friday, June 16, 2023 at 15:46
To: "Eric C. Miller" , nanog 
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Test Dual Queue L4S (if you are on Comcast)

We’re working to fix that. Sorry!

From: "Eric C. Miller" 
Date: Friday, June 16, 2023 at 15:18
To: Jason Livingood , nanog 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Test Dual Queue L4S (if you are on Comcast)

FYI, when trying to sign up, it tells me that my input isn’t required because I 
work in the telco industry.

Eric

From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
Livingood, Jason via NANOG
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 2:30 PM
To: nanog 
Subject: Test Dual Queue L4S (if you are on Comcast)

FYI that today we (Comcast) have announced the start of low latency networking 
(L4S) field trials. If you are a customer and would like to volunteer, please 
visit this 
page<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.xfinityinsightscommunity.com/register/start/f4f1ea42-247c-44f1-bea0-c2d7178cfe00__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!CoNTpeJFQdLeA3aHjrbPZztXZCRMjXttdX5OomIj8WG6ptqtmtESEQxiY38eFd1wQeOeCZC3vKGVlDlqzaqeWw$>.

For more info, there is a blog post that just went up at 
https://corporate.comcast.com/stories/comcast-kicks-off-industrys-first-low-latency-docsis-field-trials

We anticipate testing with several different cable modems and a range of 
applications that are marking. We plan to share detailed results of the trial 
at IETF-118 in November.

Any app developers interested in working with us can either email me direction 
or 
low-latency-partner-inter...@comcast.com<mailto:low-latency-partner-inter...@comcast.com>.

Thanks!
Jason

Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Test Dual Queue L4S (if you are on Comcast)

2023-06-16 Thread Livingood, Jason via NANOG

We’re working to fix that. Sorry!

From: "Eric C. Miller" 
Date: Friday, June 16, 2023 at 15:18
To: Jason Livingood , nanog 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Test Dual Queue L4S (if you are on Comcast)

FYI, when trying to sign up, it tells me that my input isn’t required because I 
work in the telco industry.

Eric

From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
Livingood, Jason via NANOG
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 2:30 PM
To: nanog 
Subject: Test Dual Queue L4S (if you are on Comcast)

FYI that today we (Comcast) have announced the start of low latency networking 
(L4S) field trials. If you are a customer and would like to volunteer, please 
visit this 
page<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.xfinityinsightscommunity.com/register/start/f4f1ea42-247c-44f1-bea0-c2d7178cfe00__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!CoNTpeJFQdLeA3aHjrbPZztXZCRMjXttdX5OomIj8WG6ptqtmtESEQxiY38eFd1wQeOeCZC3vKGVlDlqzaqeWw$>.

For more info, there is a blog post that just went up at 
https://corporate.comcast.com/stories/comcast-kicks-off-industrys-first-low-latency-docsis-field-trials

We anticipate testing with several different cable modems and a range of 
applications that are marking. We plan to share detailed results of the trial 
at IETF-118 in November.

Any app developers interested in working with us can either email me direction 
or 
low-latency-partner-inter...@comcast.com<mailto:low-latency-partner-inter...@comcast.com>.

Thanks!
Jason

RE: Test Dual Queue L4S (if you are on Comcast)

2023-06-16 Thread Eric C. Miller

FYI, when trying to sign up, it tells me that my input isn’t required because I 
work in the telco industry.

Eric

From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
Livingood, Jason via NANOG
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 2:30 PM
To: nanog 
Subject: Test Dual Queue L4S (if you are on Comcast)

FYI that today we (Comcast) have announced the start of low latency networking 
(L4S) field trials. If you are a customer and would like to volunteer, please 
visit this 
page<https://www.xfinityinsightscommunity.com/register/start/f4f1ea42-247c-44f1-bea0-c2d7178cfe00>.

For more info, there is a blog post that just went up at 
https://corporate.comcast.com/stories/comcast-kicks-off-industrys-first-low-latency-docsis-field-trials

We anticipate testing with several different cable modems and a range of 
applications that are marking. We plan to share detailed results of the trial 
at IETF-118 in November.

Any app developers interested in working with us can either email me direction 
or 
low-latency-partner-inter...@comcast.com<mailto:low-latency-partner-inter...@comcast.com>.

Thanks!
Jason

Test Dual Queue L4S (if you are on Comcast)

2023-06-16 Thread Livingood, Jason via NANOG

FYI that today we (Comcast) have announced the start of low latency networking 
(L4S) field trials. If you are a customer and would like to volunteer, please 
visit this 
page.

For more info, there is a blog post that just went up at 
https://corporate.comcast.com/stories/comcast-kicks-off-industrys-first-low-latency-docsis-field-trials

We anticipate testing with several different cable modems and a range of 
applications that are marking. We plan to share detailed results of the trial 
at IETF-118 in November.

Any app developers interested in working with us can either email me direction 
or 
low-latency-partner-inter...@comcast.com.

Thanks!
Jason

Mail Sending Self-Test Platform

2023-03-03 Thread Tobias Fiebig

Heho,

after our paper on mail sending configurations some time ago [1], we
now glued that together into a self-service site: 

https://email-security-scans.org/

Even though some of you might have already seen this at the APNIC blog
or on other lists, i though i'd still drop it here as well, especially
given that it includes a full IPv6 readiness test for mail infra
(recursive DNS, authoritative DNS, and v6 mail delivery ;-)).

I'd be happy to hear your feedback, especially if things do not work as
expected (then, your test ID and ideally stored emails would be really
helpful, so i can double check what went wrong). More details below
(also see [2] for an overview of the tests we run). 

Please note that setting up the tests (as we have to configure vhosts
for some MTA-STS cases etc.) takes some time on our site. The test-site
should periodically reload and provide the status. As we use JS for
that part, please reload it manually every few minutes if you block JS.

I would also be interested to hear what you think should be included in
addition to the current tests; Some of our plans for the future below
as well.

We already found some interesting bits, like Vultr having lame v6
delegation for their AuthNS servers' domain, making their domain and
rDNS non v6-resolvable [3], or mail-in-a-box using relaxed/simple for
DKIM, which breaks signature validity on long To: headers [4].

If you want me to block certain domains/IPv(4|6) ranges or ASes for the
service to keep your users from using it, please let me know and i will
implement it asap.

# Overview

The site tests a variety of parameters about mail sending (details:
[2]), by evaluating mails a user sends us in reply to a message that
can be requested on the site. Simply requesting a message on the site
does not start any evaluation or measurements, i.e., you have to send a
reply-all to a requested message to start the evaluation. After the
test, you can also delete the test or download a copy of your data, and
if you opted to do so, a copy of the emails as we received them.

# Method

Users send emails to us (in reply-all to a message we sent, for easier
usability).Target MXes on our site are either configured in a fully RFC
compliant way, or intentionally misconfigured in a common way (broken
DNSSEC for the domain, for example, or a broken DANE record, again, see
[2] for an overview). Thereby, we can determine the
configuration/support of features by the senders' MXes.

# Possible Harm

The worst thing that should happen to mail operators is finding
specific undeliverable mails (broken DNSSEC if DNSSEC is validated, v6
only DNS if no IPv6 DNS resolution is supported) in their mail queue,
or users receiving bounces (see FAQ on the page). So far the system has
been tested with several hundred mail-setups, without encountering
issues. If you encounter other unintended side-effects, please reach
out to ab...@email-security-scans.org or me directly off-list.

# Test details

Specifically, we are testing:
- v4 Mail sending
- v6 Mail sending
- Greylisting support

- Transport encryption (Plaintext/TLS cipher strength and version
support, opportunistic encryption)
- DANE support outbound, i.e., if you honor DANE
- MTA-STS support outbound, i.e., if you honor MTA-STS (incl. whether
you prefer DANE over MTA-STS, as it should be)
- Sending of TLS reports and whether these are standard compliant, also
providing a copy of the received report (Even though so far only three
operators delivered TLS-RPT).

- DNS resolvers used by the mailserver
- Whether the mailers' DNS servers resolve via IPv6
- Whether the mailers' DNS servers validate DNSSEC

- If all names relevant for email delivery resolve via IPv6
- If all names relevant for email delivery are DNSSEC signed

- Mailer-basics (ehlo=rdns=fcrdns), SPF (from/envelope)
- SPF policy size (by retrieving your policy, up to 20 referrals deep)
- DKIM (also checking key-sizes, algorithm mismatches and
canonicalization issues; These are surprisingly common, i.e., simple
being set breaking only in cases not caught by standard dkim testers)
- DMARC (policy validity, conformance of sent mails, displaying
implicit defaults)
- DMARC report deliverability by sending one(1) valid DMARC report for
a received email, including authorization of out-of-domain RUA/RUF
(also providing a copy of any bounces received)

- Full IPv6 readiness (join over three previous IPv6 tests)

- Whether any headers that should not be duplicated are duplicated
- Whether any mandatory headers are missing
- If From/Envelope match

# Planned tests

- ARC
- evaluate outbound spam filtering
- evaluate received_from stripping
- test for inbound-link parsers
- cluster by provider (via MTA sets), not domain
- Add DANE checks for senders' MXes
- test for host-addresses in SPF prefixes
- add MTA-STS check for senders' domains
- add test for handling more than 5 MX with only the lowest-prio one(s)
being reachable
- requesting-domains' MX aspects (null MX, IPv4/6

1 2 3 4 5 6 >

1 - 100 of 558 matches

Mail list logo