RE: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
This is a useful reminder that nanog creates a large part of the battlefield on which state and non-state players constantly prosecute their Information Warfare agendas. What will you do when you get a call from Khamenei, and then one from Obama? Armor up, boys and girls. David Hiers CCIE (R/S, V), CISSP -Original Message- From: Steven M. Bellovin [mailto:s...@cs.columbia.edu] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:46 PM To: Jack Bates Cc: Erik Fichtner; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots? On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:48:07 -0500 Jack Bates jba...@brightok.net wrote: Erik Fichtner wrote: And yet, all upgrades can be postponed with the right... motivation. Hmmm, you do know that motivation may have strictly been, Your maintenance corresponds with a major event, can you put it off for a day? According to http://feeds.arstechnica.com/~r/arstechnica/index/~3/k32Wx4r_vew/twitter-from-statedept-delay-upgrade-to-aid-iran-protests.ars the delay was requested by the U.S. State Department. --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.
Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
What will you do when you get a call from Khamenei, and then one from Obama? hungup and keep the packets flowing ?
Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
Erik Fichtner wrote: And yet, all upgrades can be postponed with the right... motivation. Hmmm, you do know that motivation may have strictly been, Your maintenance corresponds with a major event, can you put it off for a day? The maintenance in question has obviously been marked critical by NTTA with what appears to be short notification and limiting the delay to a minimum. They may have been unaware of the event and its importance to their customers. I'm more curious about what maintenance they are actually performing. I know they run mixed Cisco/Juniper, and all their Junipers should be able to handle in service upgrades. Of course, even switching hits of an upgrade warrants setting a maintenance window and notification due to Murphy. Jack
Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
What's interesting is that the !NANOG part of the universe presumes the maintenance was to be performed by Twitter, not by their carrier (i.e. server, not network, upgrades). Given the fact that the WhaleFail has become a commonly-recognizable sight, I can see this make people a bit, um, nervous. The real impact of the maintenance would have most likely been minimal short of a Murphy strike. That said, kudos to NTT for backing off in the face of some pretty momentous current events, and hope the delay doesn't cause too many ripple-effect problems for them. -C On Jun 16, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Jack Bates wrote: Erik Fichtner wrote: And yet, all upgrades can be postponed with the right... motivation. Hmmm, you do know that motivation may have strictly been, Your maintenance corresponds with a major event, can you put it off for a day? The maintenance in question has obviously been marked critical by NTTA with what appears to be short notification and limiting the delay to a minimum. They may have been unaware of the event and its importance to their customers. I'm more curious about what maintenance they are actually performing. I know they run mixed Cisco/Juniper, and all their Junipers should be able to handle in service upgrades. Of course, even switching hits of an upgrade warrants setting a maintenance window and notification due to Murphy. Jack
Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
On Jun 16, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Jack Bates wrote: Erik Fichtner wrote: And yet, all upgrades can be postponed with the right... motivation. Hmmm, you do know that motivation may have strictly been, Your maintenance corresponds with a major event, can you put it off for a day? The maintenance in question has obviously been marked critical by NTTA with what appears to be short notification and limiting the delay to a minimum. They may have been unaware of the event and its importance to their customers. I'm more curious about what maintenance they are actually performing. I know they run mixed Cisco/Juniper, and all their Junipers should be able to handle in service upgrades. Of course, even switching hits of an upgrade warrants setting a maintenance window and notification due to Murphy. Tehran is currently UTC/GMT +4:30 hours. The current downtime is for 2:00 PM Pacific, or 1:30 AM in Tehran. That seems to be unfortunately still prime time for the nightly demonstrations, one of which is going on now. If the idea is to avoid such collisions, 5:00 PM or even 6:00 PM PDT would probably be better. Regards Marshall Jack
Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Marshall Eubanks wrote: Tehran is currently UTC/GMT +4:30 hours. The current downtime is for 2:00 PM Pacific, or 1:30 AM in Tehran. That seems to be unfortunately still prime time for the nightly demonstrations, one of which is going on now. If the idea is to avoid such collisions, 5:00 PM or even 6:00 PM PDT would probably be better. Speaking of critical timings and demonstrations, anyone in the community have contacts/ideas for last mile connections in Teheran? The protesters are getting blocked right and left trying to get 'net access. There are some, ehrm, boxen out on the 'net to allow them to get around the active blocking going on, but most of the citizen reporters are unable to even get a conection to allow proxying out. Some serious censoring of 'net access going on. Just curious - replies off list if desired. Thanks in advance. -- steve
Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:48:07 -0500 Jack Bates jba...@brightok.net wrote: Erik Fichtner wrote: And yet, all upgrades can be postponed with the right... motivation. Hmmm, you do know that motivation may have strictly been, Your maintenance corresponds with a major event, can you put it off for a day? According to http://feeds.arstechnica.com/~r/arstechnica/index/~3/k32Wx4r_vew/twitter-from-statedept-delay-upgrade-to-aid-iran-protests.ars the delay was requested by the U.S. State Department. --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Steve Pirkor...@pirk.com wrote: There are some, ehrm, boxen out on the 'net to allow them to get around the active blocking going on, but most of the citizen reporters are unable to even get a conection to allow proxying out. Some serious censoring of 'net access going on. Doesn't DCI still control things there? If so, they could cut Iran off from the world very easily if they wanted. -- Jeremy L. Gaddis http://evilrouters.net/
Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
An update here. Reuters is reporting that the US State Department is behind this maintenance being pushed back. http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSWBT01137420090616?feedType=RSSfeedName=internetNewsrpc=22sp=true I find it very interesting that the US government is seeing the use Twitter is getting from a political perspective. Alex Thurlow Blastro Networks http://www.blastro.com http://www.roxwel.com http://www.yallwire.com On 6/16/2009 10:03 AM, Chris Woodfield wrote: What's interesting is that the !NANOG part of the universe presumes the maintenance was to be performed by Twitter, not by their carrier (i.e. server, not network, upgrades). Given the fact that the WhaleFail has become a commonly-recognizable sight, I can see this make people a bit, um, nervous. The real impact of the maintenance would have most likely been minimal short of a Murphy strike. That said, kudos to NTT for backing off in the face of some pretty momentous current events, and hope the delay doesn't cause too many ripple-effect problems for them. -C On Jun 16, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Jack Bates wrote: Erik Fichtner wrote: And yet, all upgrades can be postponed with the right... motivation. Hmmm, you do know that motivation may have strictly been, Your maintenance corresponds with a major event, can you put it off for a day? The maintenance in question has obviously been marked critical by NTTA with what appears to be short notification and limiting the delay to a minimum. They may have been unaware of the event and its importance to their customers. I'm more curious about what maintenance they are actually performing. I know they run mixed Cisco/Juniper, and all their Junipers should be able to handle in service upgrades. Of course, even switching hits of an upgrade warrants setting a maintenance window and notification due to Murphy. Jack
Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
http://status.twitter.com/post/124145031/maintenance-window-tonight-9-45p-pacific Am I reading that right? Is someone at Verio seriously going to take twitter out for 90 minutes at 9am in Tehran? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Make that NTT America (was Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
On 6/15/2009 4:45 PM, Erik Fichtner wrote: Erik Fichtner wrote: http://status.twitter.com/post/124145031/maintenance-window-tonight-9-45p-pacific I am reading it wrong, partially. It's NTT America, not Verio. Missed a layer. Anyway... I know they're not actually making any money, so they may not be able to afford it, but shouldn't a service that's trying to be as big as twitter be multihomed?
Re: Make that NTT America (was Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
Am 15.06.2009 um 23:50 schrieb Alex Thurlow: I know they're not actually making any money, so they may not be able to afford it, but shouldn't a service that's trying to be as big as twitter be multihomed? they got 35 million lately and there was arumor that apple wnted to buy twitter for 700 million so i think money is not an issue!!! http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/twitter-raises-35-million/ -- Les enfants teribbles - research / deployment Marc Manthey Vogelsangerstrasse 97 D - 50823 Köln - Germany Vogelsangerstrasse 97 Geo: 50.945554, 6.920293 PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d Tel.:0049-221-29891489 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 web : http://www.let.de Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months.
Re: Make that NTT America (was Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
Brandon Galbraith wrote: http://status.twitter.com/post/124145031/maintenance-window-tonight-9-45p-pacific You sure it's their network, and not Twitter's core/edge? They're blaming it on their upstream. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Make that NTT America (was Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
Twitter doesn't run their own core or edge. It's all in the NTT cloud. On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Erik Fichtneremf1...@gmail.com wrote: Brandon Galbraith wrote: http://status.twitter.com/post/124145031/maintenance-window-tonight-9-45p-pacific You sure it's their network, and not Twitter's core/edge? They're blaming it on their upstream.
Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
Yep, that's what it says. Things like critical network upgrades sometimes don't wait for good timing - they make their own special event. On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Erik Fichtner emf1...@gmail.com wrote: http://status.twitter.com/post/124145031/maintenance-window-tonight-9-45p-pacific Am I reading that right? Is someone at Verio seriously going to take twitter out for 90 minutes at 9am in Tehran?
Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 07:22:33PM -0400, Stephen Repetski wrote: Yep, that's what it says. Things like critical network upgrades sometimes don't wait for good timing - they make their own special event. Rescheduled: http://blog.twitter.com/2009/06/down-time-rescheduled.html -- - Adam ** Expert Technical Project and Business Management System Performance Analysis and Architecture ** [ http://www.adamfields.com ] [ http://workstuff.tumblr.com ] ... Technology Blog [ http://www.aquick.org/blog ] Personal Blog [ http://www.adamfields.com/resume.html ].. Experience [ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fields ] ... Photos [ http://www.twitter.com/fields ].. Twitter [ http://www.morningside-analytics.com ] .. Latest Venture [ http://www.confabb.com ] Founder
Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
Stephen Repetski wrote: Yep, that's what it says. Things like critical network upgrades sometimes don't wait for good timing - they make their own special event. And yet, all upgrades can be postponed with the right... motivation. http://blog.twitter.com/2009/06/down-time-rescheduled.html Nice save, NTT. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Verio taking twitter down during Iran Election Riots?
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Erik Fichtner emf1...@gmail.com wrote: Stephen Repetski wrote: Yep, that's what it says. Things like critical network upgrades sometimes don't wait for good timing - they make their own special event. And yet, all upgrades can be postponed with the right... motivation. http://blog.twitter.com/2009/06/down-time-rescheduled.html Nice save, NTT. But not without a nice plug from Twitter, though it's a nice gesture. Which brings me back to the question why Twitter isn't multi-homed, or what the nature of the network upgrade is that it brings down their entire network.
