Where there's a nanog thread there'll be a vendor solution .. Re: Ethical DDoS drone network
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:24 PM, BATTLES, TIMOTHY A (TIM), ATTLABS tmbatt...@att.com wrote: There are some assumptions here. First are you considering volumetric DDOS attacks? Second, if you plan on harvesting wild bots and using them to serve your purpose then I don't see how this can be ethical unless they are just clients from your own network making it less distributed. I cant believe this .. http://www.iprental.com Looks like anonymizer combined with what looks almost like a rent a botnet, legit nodes (you sign up to download a client that makes you part of this botnet, etc) http://www.iprental.com/technical/ Speaking of a commercial botnet, there was something similar earlier - but that was a download this bulk mailer type operation, guys called Atriks, who got tracked so extensively by spamhaus that they seem to have kind of disappeared now. --srs
Re: Where there's a nanog thread there'll be a vendor solution .. Re: Ethical DDoS drone network
This is new to you? Polymorphic anonymizers have been a way of life for a while now. Jeff On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian ops.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:24 PM, BATTLES, TIMOTHY A (TIM), ATTLABS tmbatt...@att.com wrote: There are some assumptions here. First are you considering volumetric DDOS attacks? Second, if you plan on harvesting wild bots and using them to serve your purpose then I don't see how this can be ethical unless they are just clients from your own network making it less distributed. I cant believe this .. http://www.iprental.com Looks like anonymizer combined with what looks almost like a rent a botnet, legit nodes (you sign up to download a client that makes you part of this botnet, etc) http://www.iprental.com/technical/ Speaking of a commercial botnet, there was something similar earlier - but that was a download this bulk mailer type operation, guys called Atriks, who got tracked so extensively by spamhaus that they seem to have kind of disappeared now. --srs -- Jeffrey Lyon, Leadership Team jeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net | http://www.blacklotus.net Black Lotus Communications of The IRC Company, Inc. Look for us at HostingCon 2009 in Washington, DC on August 10th - 12th at Booth #401.
Re: Where there's a nanog thread there'll be a vendor solution .. Re: Ethical DDoS drone network
I cant believe this .. http://www.iprental.com sheesh! and i thought the rirs had a monopoly on ip address rental. :) randy
Re: Where there's a nanog thread there'll be a vendor solution ..Re: Ethical DDoS drone network
- Original Message - From: Randy Bush Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Where there's a nanog thread there'll be a vendor solution ..Re: Ethical DDoS drone network I cant believe this .. http://www.iprental.com sheesh! and i thought the rirs had a monopoly on ip address rental. :) randy I watched the 'Demo Video' and the addresses shown were from ATT and Comcast space. Any idea of what space they might be from in real life or is that part of their secret sauce? Thanks, --Michael
Re: Where there's a nanog thread there'll be a vendor solution ..Re: Ethical DDoS drone network
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Michael Painter tvhaw...@shaka.com wrote: I watched the 'Demo Video' and the addresses shown were from ATT and Comcast space. Any idea of what space they might be from in real life or is that part of their secret sauce? J.Random ADSL / cable space I dare say. Though what said cable / adsl SPs would have to say about reselling of service is an AUP violation is anybody's guess :) --srs -- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.li...@gmail.com)
