RE: Wired access to SMS?

[Ryan Finnesey]

I have been happy with the services from twilio

Cheers
Ryan


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To: Tim M Edwards
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Subject: Re: Wired access to SMS?

More precisely http://www.twilio.com/sms

j

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Tim M Edwards  wrote:

> Twillio.com
>
> On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:36 PM, William Herrin  wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I'm looking for a way to do wireline access to send and receive 
> > cellular phone short message service (SMS) messages. Despite all my 
> > google-fu, I have had limited luck finding anyone that meets my 
> > needs, so I'm hoping someone here has found the path through. My 
> > main criteria are:
> >
> >
> > 1. Low quantity, high reliability. I'll want a few dozen phone 
> > numbers and effectively I'll be sending to and receiving from phones I own.
> > 2. Wireline delivery to Honolulu and Northern Virginia. Dynamically 
> > move numbers between the two locations for failover purposes.
> > 3. U.S. based carrier. Tying in to the SMS system via Europe isn't 
> > acceptable to my customer.
> > 4. Solution must reach phones on all U.S. cellular carriers.
> > 5. Price is a very distant fifth criteria to the preceding four.
> >
> > I can consider Internet based systems where the provider uses U.S.
> > based facilities and ties in to a U.S. phone network, provided that 
> > my standards of reliability and redundancy are met by their 
> > infrastructure.
> >
> > Alternately, I can also consider a wireless carrier that can provide 
> > two SIM-based phones with the same phone number for sending and 
> > receiving SMS messages. I'd put the sims in a pair of modems and 
> > manage deduplication of the received messages in software.
> >
> >
> > Has anybody had any luck with this kind of requirement? Which 
> > vendors should I talk to and who at the vendor?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill Herrin
> >
> >
> > --
> > William D. Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  
> > b...@herrin.us
> > 3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> 
> > Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
> >
>
>


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Re: Wired access to SMS?

[jamie rishaw]

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Aaron Toponce 
wrote:
>
> Instead, purchase a cellular USB modem with a standard plan. All 4 major
> carriers provide APIs to interact with the modems, and you get everything
> you need*. They aren't cheap (something in the neighborhood of $30/month),
*
> but they work, they are reliable, and you have a committed telecom corp
> dedicated to keeping uptime high, and the API up-to-date.
>

.. Just my $0.03,

If his need is mission critical, and $30/mo breaks the bank .. I'd
respectfully submit that there wasn't much of a mission.. :-p

I do agree, tho, that an external / serial / aybe-usb gsm device is
the route to pursue.

I also '+1' / 'bump' the earlier suggestion that the OP (bill) look
into Twilio.  Their level of support/interaction/help/you-name-it sets
standards I wish everyone lived by, and Twilio ease of use & reliability is
second to none, or, at the least, one of a very few.


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Re: Wired access to SMS?

[Joly MacFie]

More precisely http://www.twilio.com/sms

j

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Tim M Edwards  wrote:

> Twillio.com
>
> On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:36 PM, William Herrin  wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I'm looking for a way to do wireline access to send and receive
> > cellular phone short message service (SMS) messages. Despite all my
> > google-fu, I have had limited luck finding anyone that meets my needs,
> > so I'm hoping someone here has found the path through. My main
> > criteria are:
> >
> >
> > 1. Low quantity, high reliability. I'll want a few dozen phone numbers
> > and effectively I'll be sending to and receiving from phones I own.
> > 2. Wireline delivery to Honolulu and Northern Virginia. Dynamically
> > move numbers between the two locations for failover purposes.
> > 3. U.S. based carrier. Tying in to the SMS system via Europe isn't
> > acceptable to my customer.
> > 4. Solution must reach phones on all U.S. cellular carriers.
> > 5. Price is a very distant fifth criteria to the preceding four.
> >
> > I can consider Internet based systems where the provider uses U.S.
> > based facilities and ties in to a U.S. phone network, provided that my
> > standards of reliability and redundancy are met by their
> > infrastructure.
> >
> > Alternately, I can also consider a wireless carrier that can provide
> > two SIM-based phones with the same phone number for sending and
> > receiving SMS messages. I'd put the sims in a pair of modems and
> > manage deduplication of the received messages in software.
> >
> >
> > Has anybody had any luck with this kind of requirement? Which vendors
> > should I talk to and who at the vendor?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill Herrin
> >
> >
> > --
> > William D. Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
> > 3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: 
> > Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
> >
>
>


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Re: Wired access to SMS?

[Deepak Jain]

On 10/10/2012 5:34 PM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote:

You could also hitch up an analog modem to a POTS line, and then let your 
paging software dial your cell/home number.
You won't hear anything, but the CallerID will let you know that your 
monitoring system is *desperately* trying to get in touch :-)


You could take it one step further and get an FXO card and put it in a very 
basic asterisk server.  Write a simple program which call be pinged with issue 
reports as an argument, then pass those arguments to festvox or other TTS 
application.  Output to WAV, convert to GSM, generate an asterisk call file (or 
write an extension) that calls you on the analog line, and plays you the sound 
file.

I've done this at several employers.  It works fairly well - perhaps better 
than it sounds.  If you can get a SIP upstream that will let you set your CID, 
then send the calls out that route first, and the POTS line becomes a backup - 
then if you ever get calls from the POTS DID, you know that you have the 
original problem, plus you know that the connection to the SIP gateway is down.

Nathan Eisenberg


Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't it be possible to grab SMS via 
SS7 and feed it into a softswitch or similar like an Asterisk box? All 
that would be required would be a friendly SMS provider with an "SMS 
peering" or gateway with the network(s) you care about.


I know Verizon was offering a landline VoIP phone that offered SMS long 
code support a while ago, but I was never sufficiently interested to 
examine it further.


DJ

RE: Wired access to SMS?

[Nathan Eisenberg]

> You could also hitch up an analog modem to a POTS line, and then let your 
> paging software dial your cell/home number. 
> You won't hear anything, but the CallerID will let you know that your 
> monitoring system is *desperately* trying to get in touch :-)

You could take it one step further and get an FXO card and put it in a very 
basic asterisk server.  Write a simple program which call be pinged with issue 
reports as an argument, then pass those arguments to festvox or other TTS 
application.  Output to WAV, convert to GSM, generate an asterisk call file (or 
write an extension) that calls you on the analog line, and plays you the sound 
file.

I've done this at several employers.  It works fairly well - perhaps better 
than it sounds.  If you can get a SIP upstream that will let you set your CID, 
then send the calls out that route first, and the POTS line becomes a backup - 
then if you ever get calls from the POTS DID, you know that you have the 
original problem, plus you know that the connection to the SIP gateway is down.

Nathan Eisenberg

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[Richard Brown]

On Oct 10, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Bill Herrin wrote:

> What about finding someplace offsite and setting up a persistent PPP
> connection with modems (of the POTS variety) between it and home base?
> Put half the modems there and maybe a low power Atom server with hooks
> to send alerts like "connection to home hasn't come back after X redials".
> 
> I do something similar by having cheap DSL with a provider I don't have
> any other services with to provide a outside world view of things. I
> have a POTS line there too that can auto-dial back home if needed.

If we're looking for belt and suspenders solutions (when you lose your primary 
WAN connection and the cell modems are jammed up...)

You could also hitch up an analog modem to a POTS line, and then let your 
paging software dial your cell/home number. You won't hear anything, but the 
CallerID will let you know that your monitoring system is *desperately* trying 
to get in touch :-)

Rich Brownrichard.e.br...@dartware.com
Dartware, LLC http://www.intermapper.com
66-7 Benning Street   Telephone: 603-643-9600
West Lebanon, NH 03784-3407   Fax: 603-643-2289

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[Mike Lyon]

Inmarsat SMS?

http://www.marlink.com/text-messaging.html

-Mike


On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:41 AM, William Herrin  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> > On 10/10/12 10:10 AM, William Herrin wrote:
> >> So, I need to replace it with something that offers high availability
> >> for each phone number, aka "SMS long code." I realize that the phone
> >> end will still suffer all the vagaries of SMS. But on the base end I
> >> need high availability.
> >
> > What about finding someplace offsite and setting up a persistent PPP
> > connection with modems (of the POTS variety) between it and home base?
> > Put half the modems there and maybe a low power Atom server with hooks
> > to send alerts like "connection to home hasn't come back after X
> redials".
>
> To do that, I'd need a way to assign the same phone number (SMS long
> code) to two different modems, one at the first site, one at the
> second. I'd welcome a lead on a phone product or vendor who can do
> that for me.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
>
> --
> William D. Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
> 3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: 
> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
>
>


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Re: Wired access to SMS?

[William Herrin]

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> On 10/10/12 10:10 AM, William Herrin wrote:
>> So, I need to replace it with something that offers high availability
>> for each phone number, aka "SMS long code." I realize that the phone
>> end will still suffer all the vagaries of SMS. But on the base end I
>> need high availability.
>
> What about finding someplace offsite and setting up a persistent PPP
> connection with modems (of the POTS variety) between it and home base?
> Put half the modems there and maybe a low power Atom server with hooks
> to send alerts like "connection to home hasn't come back after X redials".

To do that, I'd need a way to assign the same phone number (SMS long
code) to two different modems, one at the first site, one at the
second. I'd welcome a lead on a phone product or vendor who can do
that for me.

Regards,
Bill Herrin



-- 
William D. Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: 
Falls Church, VA 22042-3004

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/10/12 10:10 AM, William Herrin wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:18 PM, jamie rishaw  wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Aaron Toponce
>>> Instead, purchase a cellular USB modem with a standard plan. All 4 major
>>> carriers provide APIs to interact with the modems, and you get everything
>>> you need*. They aren't cheap (something in the neighborhood of $30/month),
> 
>> If his need is mission critical, and $30/mo breaks the bank .. I'd
>> respectfully submit that there wasn't much of a mission.. :-p
>>
>> I do agree, tho, that an external / serial / aybe-usb gsm device is
>> the route to pursue.
> 
> Perhaps I should explain a little further:
> 
> I have a system in place based on just under a dozen Multitech GSM
> modems in a room by a window. It works... more or less.
> 
> It has no provisions for equipment or site failure. The modem breaks,
> that number is unavailable. The site fails, that number is
> unavailable. The local cell network gets jammed, the number is
> unavailable. That's the opposite of "high availability."
> 
> So, I need to replace it with something that offers high availability
> for each phone number, aka "SMS long code." I realize that the phone
> end will still suffer all the vagaries of SMS. But on the base end I
> need high availability.
> 
> I expect this to cost more than throwing a dozen GSM modems in a room.
> I won't be offended when it does.
> 

What about finding someplace offsite and setting up a persistent PPP
connection with modems (of the POTS variety) between it and home base?
Put half the modems there and maybe a low power Atom server with hooks
to send alerts like "connection to home hasn't come back after X redials".

I do something similar by having cheap DSL with a provider I don't have
any other services with to provide a outside world view of things. I
have a POTS line there too that can auto-dial back home if needed.

~Seth

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[William Herrin]

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:18 PM, jamie rishaw  wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Aaron Toponce
>> Instead, purchase a cellular USB modem with a standard plan. All 4 major
>> carriers provide APIs to interact with the modems, and you get everything
>> you need*. They aren't cheap (something in the neighborhood of $30/month),

> If his need is mission critical, and $30/mo breaks the bank .. I'd
> respectfully submit that there wasn't much of a mission.. :-p
>
> I do agree, tho, that an external / serial / aybe-usb gsm device is
> the route to pursue.

Perhaps I should explain a little further:

I have a system in place based on just under a dozen Multitech GSM
modems in a room by a window. It works... more or less.

It has no provisions for equipment or site failure. The modem breaks,
that number is unavailable. The site fails, that number is
unavailable. The local cell network gets jammed, the number is
unavailable. That's the opposite of "high availability."

So, I need to replace it with something that offers high availability
for each phone number, aka "SMS long code." I realize that the phone
end will still suffer all the vagaries of SMS. But on the base end I
need high availability.

I expect this to cost more than throwing a dozen GSM modems in a room.
I won't be offended when it does.


Anyway, I want to thank everybody for the suggestions, public and
private. You've given me some solid leads I can pursue. I'll let you
know how it turns out.

Thanks,
Bill Herrin

-- 
William D. Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: 
Falls Church, VA 22042-3004

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[jamie rishaw]

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Aaron Toponce

@ gmail.com > wrote:
>
> Instead, purchase a cellular USB modem with a standard plan. All 4 major
> carriers provide APIs to interact with the modems, and you get everything
> you need*. They aren't cheap (something in the neighborhood of $30/month),
*
> but they work, they are reliable, and you have a committed telecom corp
> dedicated to keeping uptime high, and the API up-to-date.
>

.. Just my $0.03,

If his need is mission critical, and $30/mo breaks the bank .. I'd
respectfully submit that there wasn't much of a mission.. :-p

I do agree, tho, that an external / serial / aybe-usb gsm device is
the route to pursue.

I also '+1' / 'bump' the earlier suggestion that the OP (bill) look
into Twilio.  Their level of support/interaction/help/you-name-it sets
standards I wish everyone lived by, and Twilio ease of use & reliability is
second to none, or, at the least, one of a very few.

-j.
-- 
jamie rishaw // .com.arpa@j <- reverse it. ish.

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[Bryan Tong]

Arent most of the services now wrapped into Google for Business where
you are the customer?

I dont know about Google voice though.

Thanks

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:47 PM, William Herrin  wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM, steve pirk [egrep]  wrote:
>> Have you looked at Google Voice much? I have mine set up to SMS all my
>> devices, including email delivery, and can enable/disable devices as
>> needed. The big benefit, is that I have an inbox full of all my old inbound
>> and outbound text messages.
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Google voice is a fine service and if they sold it with an API, I
> might well buy it. As a free public service with a strictly unofficial
> API, I can't seriously consider using it in my product's critical
> path. I need a service whose provider is actually obligated to keep it
> working to the standard of resilience typical of the rest of my
> system.
>
> Let me put it another way: with google voice, google mail, google
> search you are not the customer. You're the product. I use gmail for
> my personal mail and I can live with that. For business services, I
> need to be the customer.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
> --
> William D. Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
> 3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: 
> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
>



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Nullivex LLC | eSited LLC
(507) 298-1624

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[John Levine]

>Look at TextMagic.

They're in the UK.  You might take a look at Aerialink
who are in the US:

http://www.aerialink.com/gateway/options/outbound-sms/

Getting your own cellular modem may well end up being
more reliable and cheaper in the long run, since you are
less at the mercy of other people's software.

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[Daniel Rohan]

Look at TextMagic. They have an easy to work with API and the cost is
minimal. If you are using it for monitoring purposes, you'll just have to
figure out how to do it out of band.
On Oct 9, 2012 10:37 PM, "William Herrin"  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm looking for a way to do wireline access to send and receive
> cellular phone short message service (SMS) messages. Despite all my
> google-fu, I have had limited luck finding anyone that meets my needs,
> so I'm hoping someone here has found the path through. My main
> criteria are:
>
>
> 1. Low quantity, high reliability. I'll want a few dozen phone numbers
> and effectively I'll be sending to and receiving from phones I own.
> 2. Wireline delivery to Honolulu and Northern Virginia. Dynamically
> move numbers between the two locations for failover purposes.
> 3. U.S. based carrier. Tying in to the SMS system via Europe isn't
> acceptable to my customer.
> 4. Solution must reach phones on all U.S. cellular carriers.
> 5. Price is a very distant fifth criteria to the preceding four.
>
> I can consider Internet based systems where the provider uses U.S.
> based facilities and ties in to a U.S. phone network, provided that my
> standards of reliability and redundancy are met by their
> infrastructure.
>
> Alternately, I can also consider a wireless carrier that can provide
> two SIM-based phones with the same phone number for sending and
> receiving SMS messages. I'd put the sims in a pair of modems and
> manage deduplication of the received messages in software.
>
>
> Has anybody had any luck with this kind of requirement? Which vendors
> should I talk to and who at the vendor?
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
> --
> William D. Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
> 3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: 
> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
>
>

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[Aaron Toponce]

On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:35:37PM -0400, William Herrin wrote:
> I'm looking for a way to do wireline access to send and receive
> cellular phone short message service (SMS) messages. Despite all my
> google-fu, I have had limited luck finding anyone that meets my needs,
> so I'm hoping someone here has found the path through. My main
> criteria are:
> 
> 
> 1. Low quantity, high reliability. I'll want a few dozen phone numbers
> and effectively I'll be sending to and receiving from phones I own.
> 2. Wireline delivery to Honolulu and Northern Virginia. Dynamically
> move numbers between the two locations for failover purposes.
> 3. U.S. based carrier. Tying in to the SMS system via Europe isn't
> acceptable to my customer.
> 4. Solution must reach phones on all U.S. cellular carriers.
> 5. Price is a very distant fifth criteria to the preceding four.

Avoid Google Voice. I've seen other recommendations on this, and it's
horrid. Most solutions are no longer updated, there is no official API from
Google, and Google changes their products regularly where stuff breaks. To
suggest it as a critical production solution blows my mind.

Instead, purchase a cellular USB modem with a standard plan. All 4 major
carriers provide APIs to interact with the modems, and you get everything
you need. They aren't cheap (something in the neighborhood of $30/month),
but they work, they are reliable, and you have a committed telecom corp
dedicated to keeping uptime high, and the API up-to-date.

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Re: Wired access to SMS?

[steve pirk [egrep]]

I will need to look into the Google Apps for business part of the voice
product. I have not really tried apps accounts yet.

As far as APIs go, it looks like most are "unofficial", but there is
community support.
Check googlevoice.org  and also code.google. com/p/pygooglevoice for
examples of what can be accomplished today.

The Canada part is a showstopper, but it should be fairly easy to use a for
exit node in the US to allow you to sign up for a US number. I do know that
US users can still call all of Canada for free through the end of this
year.

My gut feel is that the telcos are what is keeping Google from releasing
the product to a broader audience, e.g. more countries than the US.
On Oct 9, 2012 3:25 PM, "TJ"  wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:47 PM, William Herrin  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM, steve pirk [egrep] 
>> wrote:
>> > Have you looked at Google Voice much? I have mine set up to SMS all my
>> > devices, including email delivery, and can enable/disable devices as
>> > needed. The big benefit, is that I have an inbox full of all my old
>> inbound
>> > and outbound text messages.
>>
>
> ++1 on Google Voice.
>
>
>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> Google voice is a fine service and if they sold it with an API, I
>> might well buy it. As a free public service with a strictly unofficial
>> API, I can't seriously consider using it in my product's critical
>> path. I need a service whose provider is actually obligated to keep it
>> working to the standard of resilience typical of the rest of my
>> system.
>>
>> Let me put it another way: with google voice, google mail, google
>> search you are not the customer. You're the product. I use gmail for
>> my personal mail and I can live with that. For business services, I
>> need to be the customer.
>>
>
>
> FWLIW - I think that is a bit harsh, even if mostly accurate.
>
> I love GVoice for sending & receiving  texts across multiple devices, some
> of which aren't cellular - or wired - at all :).
> *(Also have phone calls ring not just my phones, but Skype and GChat as
> well ...)*
>
>
> /TJ
>

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[Henry Yen]

On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 15:35:37PM -0400, William Herrin wrote:
> 1. Low quantity, high reliability. I'll want a few dozen phone numbers
> and effectively I'll be sending to and receiving from phones I own.
> 2. Wireline delivery to Honolulu and Northern Virginia. Dynamically
> move numbers between the two locations for failover purposes.
> 3. U.S. based carrier. Tying in to the SMS system via Europe isn't
> acceptable to my customer.
> 4. Solution must reach phones on all U.S. cellular carriers.
> 5. Price is a very distant fifth criteria to the preceding four.

vitelity.com?

-- 
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Senior Systems Programmer   Hicksville, New York

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[TJ]

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:47 PM, William Herrin  wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM, steve pirk [egrep]  wrote:
> > Have you looked at Google Voice much? I have mine set up to SMS all my
> > devices, including email delivery, and can enable/disable devices as
> > needed. The big benefit, is that I have an inbox full of all my old
> inbound
> > and outbound text messages.
>

++1 on Google Voice.



> Hi Steve,
>
> Google voice is a fine service and if they sold it with an API, I
> might well buy it. As a free public service with a strictly unofficial
> API, I can't seriously consider using it in my product's critical
> path. I need a service whose provider is actually obligated to keep it
> working to the standard of resilience typical of the rest of my
> system.
>
> Let me put it another way: with google voice, google mail, google
> search you are not the customer. You're the product. I use gmail for
> my personal mail and I can live with that. For business services, I
> need to be the customer.
>


FWLIW - I think that is a bit harsh, even if mostly accurate.

I love GVoice for sending & receiving  texts across multiple devices, some
of which aren't cellular - or wired - at all :).
*(Also have phone calls ring not just my phones, but Skype and GChat as
well ...)*


/TJ

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[shawn wilson]

Huh, you'd think they'd have mvno contracts just for this ...?
On Oct 9, 2012 6:19 PM, "William Herrin"  wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Ray Van Dolson 
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:35:37PM -0400, William Herrin wrote:
> >> Alternately, I can also consider a wireless carrier that can provide
> >> two SIM-based phones with the same phone number for sending and
> >> receiving SMS messages. I'd put the sims in a pair of modems and
> >> manage deduplication of the received messages in software.
> >
> > We use the MultiTech MultiModem iSMS SF-100G linked up to an AT&T
> > Wireless account.
> >
> > It has a RESTful API and can handle both transmission and reception of
> > text messages.
>
> Hi Ray,
>
> Have you figured out how to get AT&T to give you two SIMs with the
> same phone number? I'm using a different set of multitech modems now
> but I need the same, I guess the terminology is "SMS long code," at
> both sites.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
>
>
> --
> William D. Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
> 3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: 
> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
>
>

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[Ray Van Dolson]

On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 06:17:26PM -0400, William Herrin wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Ray Van Dolson  wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:35:37PM -0400, William Herrin wrote:
> >> Alternately, I can also consider a wireless carrier that can provide
> >> two SIM-based phones with the same phone number for sending and
> >> receiving SMS messages. I'd put the sims in a pair of modems and
> >> manage deduplication of the received messages in software.
> >
> > We use the MultiTech MultiModem iSMS SF-100G linked up to an AT&T
> > Wireless account.
> >
> > It has a RESTful API and can handle both transmission and reception of
> > text messages.
> 
> Hi Ray,
> 
> Have you figured out how to get AT&T to give you two SIMs with the
> same phone number? I'm using a different set of multitech modems now
> but I need the same, I guess the terminology is "SMS long code," at
> both sites.
> 
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin

Sorry, Bill -- not something we've had a need for so have never tried.
:)

Ray

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[Mike Lyon]

AWS?

http://aws.amazon.com/sns/

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM, William Herrin  wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM, steve pirk [egrep]  wrote:
> > Have you looked at Google Voice much? I have mine set up to SMS all my
> > devices, including email delivery, and can enable/disable devices as
> > needed. The big benefit, is that I have an inbox full of all my old
> inbound
> > and outbound text messages.
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Google voice is a fine service and if they sold it with an API, I
> might well buy it. As a free public service with a strictly unofficial
> API, I can't seriously consider using it in my product's critical
> path. I need a service whose provider is actually obligated to keep it
> working to the standard of resilience typical of the rest of my
> system.
>
> Let me put it another way: with google voice, google mail, google
> search you are not the customer. You're the product. I use gmail for
> my personal mail and I can live with that. For business services, I
> need to be the customer.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
> --
> William D. Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
> 3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: 
> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
>
>


-- 
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408-621-4826
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http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[William Herrin]

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Ray Van Dolson  wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:35:37PM -0400, William Herrin wrote:
>> Alternately, I can also consider a wireless carrier that can provide
>> two SIM-based phones with the same phone number for sending and
>> receiving SMS messages. I'd put the sims in a pair of modems and
>> manage deduplication of the received messages in software.
>
> We use the MultiTech MultiModem iSMS SF-100G linked up to an AT&T
> Wireless account.
>
> It has a RESTful API and can handle both transmission and reception of
> text messages.

Hi Ray,

Have you figured out how to get AT&T to give you two SIMs with the
same phone number? I'm using a different set of multitech modems now
but I need the same, I guess the terminology is "SMS long code," at
both sites.

Regards,
Bill Herrin




-- 
William D. Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: 
Falls Church, VA 22042-3004

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[Ray Van Dolson]

On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:35:37PM -0400, William Herrin wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I'm looking for a way to do wireline access to send and receive
> cellular phone short message service (SMS) messages. Despite all my
> google-fu, I have had limited luck finding anyone that meets my needs,
> so I'm hoping someone here has found the path through. My main
> criteria are:
> 
> 
> 1. Low quantity, high reliability. I'll want a few dozen phone numbers
> and effectively I'll be sending to and receiving from phones I own.
> 2. Wireline delivery to Honolulu and Northern Virginia. Dynamically
> move numbers between the two locations for failover purposes.
> 3. U.S. based carrier. Tying in to the SMS system via Europe isn't
> acceptable to my customer.
> 4. Solution must reach phones on all U.S. cellular carriers.
> 5. Price is a very distant fifth criteria to the preceding four.
> 
> I can consider Internet based systems where the provider uses U.S.
> based facilities and ties in to a U.S. phone network, provided that my
> standards of reliability and redundancy are met by their
> infrastructure.
> 
> Alternately, I can also consider a wireless carrier that can provide
> two SIM-based phones with the same phone number for sending and
> receiving SMS messages. I'd put the sims in a pair of modems and
> manage deduplication of the received messages in software.
> 
> 
> Has anybody had any luck with this kind of requirement? Which vendors
> should I talk to and who at the vendor?
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill Herrin

We use the MultiTech MultiModem iSMS SF-100G linked up to an AT&T
Wireless account.

It has a RESTful API and can handle both transmission and reception of
text messages.

There are probably SaaS options out there, but have never explored.

Thanks,
Ray

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[William Herrin]

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM, steve pirk [egrep]  wrote:
> Have you looked at Google Voice much? I have mine set up to SMS all my
> devices, including email delivery, and can enable/disable devices as
> needed. The big benefit, is that I have an inbox full of all my old inbound
> and outbound text messages.

Hi Steve,

Google voice is a fine service and if they sold it with an API, I
might well buy it. As a free public service with a strictly unofficial
API, I can't seriously consider using it in my product's critical
path. I need a service whose provider is actually obligated to keep it
working to the standard of resilience typical of the rest of my
system.

Let me put it another way: with google voice, google mail, google
search you are not the customer. You're the product. I use gmail for
my personal mail and I can live with that. For business services, I
need to be the customer.

Regards,
Bill Herrin

-- 
William D. Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: 
Falls Church, VA 22042-3004

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[steve pirk [egrep]]

Have you looked at Google Voice much? I have mine set up to SMS all my
devices, including email delivery, and can enable/disable devices as
needed. The big benefit, is that I have an inbox full of all my old inbound
and outbound text messages.

It might be that I am missing a key element, but it looks like you want a
virtual (VoIP) SMS number, and be able to decide which devices in the US
receive the messages.
On Oct 9, 2012 12:56 PM, "Lyle Giese"  wrote:

> On 10/09/12 14:35, William Herrin wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I'm looking for a way to do wireline access to send and receive
>> cellular phone short message service (SMS) messages. Despite all my
>> google-fu, I have had limited luck finding anyone that meets my needs,
>> so I'm hoping someone here has found the path through. My main
>> criteria are:
>>
>>
>> 1. Low quantity, high reliability. I'll want a few dozen phone numbers
>> and effectively I'll be sending to and receiving from phones I own.
>> 2. Wireline delivery to Honolulu and Northern Virginia. Dynamically
>> move numbers between the two locations for failover purposes.
>> 3. U.S. based carrier. Tying in to the SMS system via Europe isn't
>> acceptable to my customer.
>> 4. Solution must reach phones on all U.S. cellular carriers.
>> 5. Price is a very distant fifth criteria to the preceding four.
>>
>> I can consider Internet based systems where the provider uses U.S.
>> based facilities and ties in to a U.S. phone network, provided that my
>> standards of reliability and redundancy are met by their
>> infrastructure.
>>
>> Alternately, I can also consider a wireless carrier that can provide
>> two SIM-based phones with the same phone number for sending and
>> receiving SMS messages. I'd put the sims in a pair of modems and
>> manage deduplication of the received messages in software.
>>
>>
>> Has anybody had any luck with this kind of requirement? Which vendors
>> should I talk to and who at the vendor?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill Herrin
>>
>>
>>  If these are your phones, you will be controlling the carrier.  If they
> are all one carrier, you can find out how to send to that carrier.  For
> other uses where you don't control the carrier, it becomes a nightmare and
> where you may want to get a service provider to do that for you.
>
> Most carriers have a way to send messages directly to phones and I use a
> phone from one specific carrier that has access via modems(using TAP
> protocol and I use qpage(www.qpage.org)).  You can also use qpage via a
> public(but carrier specific) snpp server, but I have not had a need for
> that as I need/want off Internet delivery of messages to the carrier's
> network.
>
> On the expensive side, lookup 'sms short code' and you will see
> information on how that works and more info on service providers in this
> area.
>
> Lyle Giese
> LCR Computer Services, Inc.
>
>

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[Lyle Giese]

On 10/09/12 14:35, William Herrin wrote:

Hi Folks,

I'm looking for a way to do wireline access to send and receive
cellular phone short message service (SMS) messages. Despite all my
google-fu, I have had limited luck finding anyone that meets my needs,
so I'm hoping someone here has found the path through. My main
criteria are:


1. Low quantity, high reliability. I'll want a few dozen phone numbers
and effectively I'll be sending to and receiving from phones I own.
2. Wireline delivery to Honolulu and Northern Virginia. Dynamically
move numbers between the two locations for failover purposes.
3. U.S. based carrier. Tying in to the SMS system via Europe isn't
acceptable to my customer.
4. Solution must reach phones on all U.S. cellular carriers.
5. Price is a very distant fifth criteria to the preceding four.

I can consider Internet based systems where the provider uses U.S.
based facilities and ties in to a U.S. phone network, provided that my
standards of reliability and redundancy are met by their
infrastructure.

Alternately, I can also consider a wireless carrier that can provide
two SIM-based phones with the same phone number for sending and
receiving SMS messages. I'd put the sims in a pair of modems and
manage deduplication of the received messages in software.


Has anybody had any luck with this kind of requirement? Which vendors
should I talk to and who at the vendor?

Thanks,
Bill Herrin


If these are your phones, you will be controlling the carrier.  If they 
are all one carrier, you can find out how to send to that carrier.  For 
other uses where you don't control the carrier, it becomes a nightmare 
and where you may want to get a service provider to do that for you.


Most carriers have a way to send messages directly to phones and I use a 
phone from one specific carrier that has access via modems(using TAP 
protocol and I use qpage(www.qpage.org)).  You can also use qpage via a 
public(but carrier specific) snpp server, but I have not had a need for 
that as I need/want off Internet delivery of messages to the carrier's 
network.


On the expensive side, lookup 'sms short code' and you will see 
information on how that works and more info on service providers in this 
area.


Lyle Giese
LCR Computer Services, Inc.

Re: Wired access to SMS?

[Tim M Edwards]

Twillio.com

On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:36 PM, William Herrin  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm looking for a way to do wireline access to send and receive
> cellular phone short message service (SMS) messages. Despite all my
> google-fu, I have had limited luck finding anyone that meets my needs,
> so I'm hoping someone here has found the path through. My main
> criteria are:
>
>
> 1. Low quantity, high reliability. I'll want a few dozen phone numbers
> and effectively I'll be sending to and receiving from phones I own.
> 2. Wireline delivery to Honolulu and Northern Virginia. Dynamically
> move numbers between the two locations for failover purposes.
> 3. U.S. based carrier. Tying in to the SMS system via Europe isn't
> acceptable to my customer.
> 4. Solution must reach phones on all U.S. cellular carriers.
> 5. Price is a very distant fifth criteria to the preceding four.
>
> I can consider Internet based systems where the provider uses U.S.
> based facilities and ties in to a U.S. phone network, provided that my
> standards of reliability and redundancy are met by their
> infrastructure.
>
> Alternately, I can also consider a wireless carrier that can provide
> two SIM-based phones with the same phone number for sending and
> receiving SMS messages. I'd put the sims in a pair of modems and
> manage deduplication of the received messages in software.
>
>
> Has anybody had any luck with this kind of requirement? Which vendors
> should I talk to and who at the vendor?
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
> --
> William D. Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
> 3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: 
> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
>

Wired access to SMS?

[William Herrin]

Hi Folks,

I'm looking for a way to do wireline access to send and receive
cellular phone short message service (SMS) messages. Despite all my
google-fu, I have had limited luck finding anyone that meets my needs,
so I'm hoping someone here has found the path through. My main
criteria are:


1. Low quantity, high reliability. I'll want a few dozen phone numbers
and effectively I'll be sending to and receiving from phones I own.
2. Wireline delivery to Honolulu and Northern Virginia. Dynamically
move numbers between the two locations for failover purposes.
3. U.S. based carrier. Tying in to the SMS system via Europe isn't
acceptable to my customer.
4. Solution must reach phones on all U.S. cellular carriers.
5. Price is a very distant fifth criteria to the preceding four.

I can consider Internet based systems where the provider uses U.S.
based facilities and ties in to a U.S. phone network, provided that my
standards of reliability and redundancy are met by their
infrastructure.

Alternately, I can also consider a wireless carrier that can provide
two SIM-based phones with the same phone number for sending and
receiving SMS messages. I'd put the sims in a pair of modems and
manage deduplication of the received messages in software.


Has anybody had any luck with this kind of requirement? Which vendors
should I talk to and who at the vendor?

Thanks,
Bill Herrin


-- 
William D. Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: 
Falls Church, VA 22042-3004