Re: determine relationship between the operators based on import and export statements in aut-num object?

2014-12-04 Thread Martin T 
Hi,

thanks! I guess one of the most exhaustive and freely-available
route-views data to analyze is from RIPE Routing Information Service
project? For example if I would like to analyze a certain prefix
announced by a certain AS for time period from 1.11.2014 to
30.11.2014, then I should download route-views data for this
period(for rrc_id in {00..14}; do for d in {01..30}; do wget
http://data.ris.ripe.net/rrc$rrc_id/2014.11/bview.201411$d.0800.gz;
done; done) and anayze this with bgpdump(bgpdump -m bview* | grep -w
65133)? Other option would be to use one of the tools like RIPEstat
BGPlay?


thanks,
Martin

On 11/25/14, William Waites w...@styx.org wrote:
 On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:36:47 +0200, Martin T m4rtn...@gmail.com said:

  Last but not least, maybe there is altogether a more reliable
  way to understand the relationship between the operators than
  aut-num objects(often not updated) in RIR database?

 The first thing to do is look and see if the policy of, e.g. AS65133
 is consistent with what you see there. I suspect you'll find a lot of
 mismatches but I don't know if that has been studied systematically,
 but it should be simple to do.

 Next, much more data intensive, is trawl through the route views data
 and see to what extent the actual updates seen are consistent with the
 RIR objects, and also see what (topological, not financial as Valdis
 points out) relationships they imply that are not present in the RIR
 database.

 -w

determine relationship between the operators based on import and export statements in aut-num object?

2014-11-25 Thread Martin T 
Hi,

bit weird question, but is it possible to determine
relationship(Internet transit, settlement-free peering, etc) between
the operators based on import and export statements in aut-num object?
Often aut-num objects in RIR database contain the remarks which
describe such relationships. However, for example here I have
following import and export attributes from an aut-num object of an
ISP:

import: from AS65133 action pref=100; accept ANY
import: from AS65798 accept AS65798
import: from AS65084 accept AS65084
import: from AS65485 action pref=100; accept ANY
import: from AS65751 accept AS65751
import: from AS65059 action pref=100; accept ANY
import: from AS65128 accept AS65128
export: to AS65133 announce AS-SET
export: to AS65798 announce ANY
export: to AS65084 announce ANY
export: to AS65485 announce AS-SET
export: to AS65751 announce ANY
export: to AS650835 announce AS-SET
export: to AS65128 announce ANY

Am I correct that it is safe to say that probably AS65133, AS65485 and
AS65059 are the uplink providers and AS65798, AS65084, AS65751 and
AS65128 are the customers of this ISP? Last but not least, maybe there
is altogether a more reliable way to understand the relationship
between the operators than aut-num objects(often not updated) in RIR
database?


thanks,
Martin

Re: determine relationship between the operators based on import and export statements in aut-num object?

2014-11-25 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks 
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:36:47 +0200, Martin T said:

 bit weird question, but is it possible to determine
 relationship(Internet transit, settlement-free peering, etc) between
 the operators based on import and export statements in aut-num object?

You can determine who is upstream and downstream from that.

You can't tell if it's paid transit or free peering, because technically
they're the same on the wire.  All that's different is the economic motivations
that allow/cause the routing jocks from the two sites involved to connect a
pipe and put it in production.



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Re: determine relationship between the operators based on import and export statements in aut-num object?

2014-11-25 Thread William Waites 
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:36:47 +0200, Martin T m4rtn...@gmail.com said:

 Last but not least, maybe there is altogether a more reliable
 way to understand the relationship between the operators than
 aut-num objects(often not updated) in RIR database?

The first thing to do is look and see if the policy of, e.g. AS65133
is consistent with what you see there. I suspect you'll find a lot of
mismatches but I don't know if that has been studied systematically,
but it should be simple to do.

Next, much more data intensive, is trawl through the route views data
and see to what extent the actual updates seen are consistent with the
RIR objects, and also see what (topological, not financial as Valdis
points out) relationships they imply that are not present in the RIR
database.

-w


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