19 years ago today (Oct 16th, 1998) we lost our guide - Jon Postel - RFC2468
To us greaybeards, it feels like just yesterday. And as Randy points out, this coming Friday we also remember Abha who passed away 16 years ago, in 2001. http://www.neebu.net/~khuon/abha/ Sigh.
Re: 19 years ago today (Oct 16th, 1998) we lost our guide - Jon Postel - RFC2468
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I think of them often. Peace. - - ferg On 10/15/2017 4:00 PM, Rodney Joffe wrote: > To us greaybeards, it feels like just yesterday. And as Randy > points out, this coming Friday we also remember Abha who passed > away 16 years ago, in 2001. http://www.neebu.net/~khuon/abha/ > > Sigh. > - -- Paul Ferguson ICEBRG.io, Seattle USA -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAlnj8i8ACgkQKJasdVTchbIlkwD/ZvveS3X+xLlanPe1VuLb88eu WfPsP69wcm8sr+V5TpABAKBUv7+KSuo8EITlhOiq2Rp1caQl6FarxbXIi6KH1hvU =cdBp -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: California fires: smart speakers and emergency alerts
On 10/14/17 22:01, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:50:51 -0700, Joe Hamelin said: >> I would think that Amazon knows where my Echo is since it's the same IP >> that I order (way too much crap) from. > > It knows the usual delivery address. That's not necessarily the same thing. It pairs with your phone via bluetooth, also wifi geolocation (e.g. skyhook) tends to be fairly accurate in moderately high density residential environments.
Re: California fires: smart speakers and emergency alerts
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:50:51 -0700, Joe Hamelin said: I would think that Amazon knows where my Echo is since it's the same IP that I order (way too much crap) from. It knows the usual delivery address. That's not necessarily the same thing. First, need to figure out if any smart speaker manufacturers have any plans to add emergency alerts to their product. Only need to solve the other problems if they do, otherwise it doesn't matter. While VOIP phones needed exact addresses for 9-1-1 purposes, emergency alerts are rarely as specific as a city or county. An exact longitude/latitude would be nice to have, but probably not necessary for most emergency alerts. All the smart speakers ask for the user's location, at least a zip code, during the installation. And they seem to use the typical advertising network IP address geolocation. It would be creepy if an emergency alert was too targetted. It may be better to keep it larger than a mile radius, rather than a single house.
Re: California fires: smart speakers and emergency alerts
Someone do a kickstarter already. I'll contribute. ;) -A On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: > On Sun, 15 Oct 2017, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: >> >> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:50:51 -0700, Joe Hamelin said: >>> >>> I would think that Amazon knows where my Echo is since it's the same IP >>> that I order (way too much crap) from. >> >> It knows the usual delivery address. That's not necessarily the same >> thing. >> > > First, need to figure out if any smart speaker manufacturers have any plans > to add emergency alerts to their product. Only need to solve the other > problems if they do, otherwise it doesn't matter. > > > While VOIP phones needed exact addresses for 9-1-1 purposes, emergency > alerts are rarely as specific as a city or county. An exact > longitude/latitude would be nice to have, but probably not necessary for > most emergency alerts. All the smart speakers ask for the user's location, > at least a zip code, during the installation. And they seem to use the > typical advertising network IP address geolocation. > > It would be creepy if an emergency alert was too targetted. It may be > better to keep it larger than a mile radius, rather than a single house.
Re: California fires: smart speakers and emergency alerts
It is theoretically simple to: 1. Turn the address of your Smart Speaker into coordinates 2. Receive ALL alerts and only act upon those that apply to your location This way it isn't creepy, because the emergency alert wasn't targeted to you, but your device was aware enough to determine that you are in the warned area. Taking this further, let's have manufacturers build the location awareness into the device, rather than the upstream service (e.g. Amazon, Google, Apple). Your smart speaker receives a stream of ALL the alerts, and if you are in a warned area, and you enable them, they alert you. With the processing power on these speakers, and the likely small quantity and amount of data per alert to determine if it applies, it should be achievable while still protecting your smart speaker location. Beckman On Sun, 15 Oct 2017, Sean Donelan wrote: It would be creepy if an emergency alert was too targetted. It may be better to keep it larger than a mile radius, rather than a single house. Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: So, assuming its Speaker is geolocated, Google would know if an alert is applicable to its location and be able to send it to the unit. --- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beck...@angryox.com http://www.angryox.com/ ---
Re: 19 years ago today (Oct 16th, 1998) we lost our guide - Jon Postel - RFC2468
Abha... http://www.lothberg.org/cgi-bin/thumb?20010321/dscn6739.jpg --P
