Re: [Nanog-futures] Fascist police force or team of gardeners?

2007-11-27 Thread Stephen Wilcox

On 27 Nov 2007, at 14:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Looking at the recent drop in list traffic which coincides with Martin
 Hannigan's campaign of stern warning letters to various people, I  
 wonder
 whether things are heading in the right direction.

were they deserved? (I honestly have no idea.. can you provide  
examples or counterexamples)

 Will NANOG become a better list with a team of fascist police officers
 scrutinizing every posting?
 http://www.infiltrated.net/nanogpolice.jpg

clearly not but lets begin with the evidence :)

Steve



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Re: [Nanog-futures] [admin] RE: Creating a crystal clear and pure Internet

2007-11-27 Thread Alfred Farrington II
 keep politics/culture/society out of it. Maintain as *internet
operations* list. There's enough of this in the world already.

On Nov 27, 2007 3:02 PM, Alex Pilosov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Randy Bush wrote:

 
  personal opinion
 
  the position that politics, culture, and society have no place in
  internet operations is beyond even an ostrich.  they bloody *drive* the
  car.  while we're at it, why not eliminate finances too?  sheesh!
 moving the discussion to the appropriate list.

 Should politics/culture/society be on-topic? Or should we maintain this
 list as *internet operations* list.

 What I would like to avoid is list becoming general banter for neteng.
 Surely, everything is related to operations, somehow. But that doesn't
 mean it belongs on-list.

 Opinions welcome.

 -alex


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Re: [Nanog-futures] Fascist police force or team of gardeners?

2007-11-27 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Nov 27, 2007 10:47 AM, Paul Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 http://www.infiltrated.net/nanogpolice.jpg

 Hey, that's a keeper. ;-)

It's been around since my first go at the MLC, but I think it pre-dates me. :)

-M

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Re: [Nanog-futures] [admin] RE: Creating a crystal clear and pure Internet

2007-11-27 Thread Randy Bush
personal opinion

 the position that politics, culture, and society have no place in
 internet operations is beyond even an ostrich.  they bloody *drive* the
 car.  while we're at it, why not eliminate finances too?  sheesh!
 moving the discussion to the appropriate list.

apologies.  i hit reply to yours without looking.  thought we were in
-futures.  thanks for redirecting.

 Should politics/culture/society be on-topic? Or should we maintain this 
 list as *internet operations* list.

non-related politics, e.g. whether or not W is a war criminal, would not
be useful or seemingly related to internet operations.

some actions of the fcc, iana, some court/legal actions, calea, ... on
the other hand, do affect us operationally.

admittedly it's not always an easy line.

 What I would like to avoid is list becoming general banter for neteng.
 Surely, everything is related to operations, somehow. But that doesn't 
 mean it belongs on-list.

if it could be automated, we would not need people to help with it.

randy

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