[nant-dev] MSBuild

2006-10-25 Thread Eric Fetzer
Does it bug anyone else that MSBuild is almost identical to NAnt with slight 
modifications like $( instead of ${ to access properties...  I remember the 
manager of MSBuild coming in and acting like MS was going to play so nice with 
NAnt, when in reality, he was using it as a project to copy because obviously 
the community liked it.  And he's done his best job at locking NAnt out of 
being a useful tool with VS2005...  In fact, once completely converted to 2005, 
I don't see much use for NAnt except for legacy stuff.  Am I way off base?



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Re: [nant-dev] MSBuild

2006-10-25 Thread Cort Schaefer
What about builds targeted towards multiple frameworks?  I don't that
MSBuild (aka MS-NAnt in my office) handles that, nor was expected to for
some time.

Cort

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Does it bug anyone else that MSBuild is almost identical to NAnt with
slight modifications like $( instead of ${ to access properties...  I
remember the manager of MSBuild coming in and acting like MS was going
to play so nice with NAnt, when in reality, he was using it as a project
to copy because obviously the community liked it.  And he's done his
best job at locking NAnt out of being a useful tool with VS2005...  In
fact, once completely converted to 2005, I don't see much use for NAnt
except for legacy stuff.  Am I way off base?




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Re: [nant-dev] MSBuild

2006-10-25 Thread Bevan Arps

Hi Eric.

 I don't see much use for NAnt except for legacy stuff.

For what it's worth, I see a place for both tools.

In a significant project I'm working on at the moment, we use MSBuild to
do the actual builds ... But we control it by invoking it from within
NAnt.

Our NAnt scripts take care of a much wider range of activities that
MSBuild doesn't seem to handle nearly as well.

Some examples:
  -  Database maintenance (dropping existing databases, creating fresh
ones)
  -  Testing (Nunit and FIT based)
  -  Creating static (standing) data (through FIT)
  -  Build Archiving (copying to a known archive directory)

Hope this helps,
Bevan.


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Does it bug anyone else that MSBuild is almost identical to NAnt with
slight modifications like $( instead of ${ to access properties...  I
remember the manager of MSBuild coming in and acting like MS was going
to play so nice with NAnt, when in reality, he was using it as a project
to copy because obviously the community liked it.  And he's done his
best job at locking NAnt out of being a useful tool with VS2005...  In
fact, once completely converted to 2005,   Am I way off base?




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Re: [nant-dev] MSBuild

2006-10-25 Thread Mike Roberts
On 25/10/06, Bevan Arps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Eric.

  I don't see much use for NAnt except for legacy stuff.

 For what it's worth, I see a place for both tools.

 In a significant project I'm working on at the moment, we use MSBuild to
 do the actual builds ... But we control it by invoking it from within
 NAnt.

 Our NAnt scripts take care of a much wider range of activities that
 MSBuild doesn't seem to handle nearly as well.


I concur with this. NAnt isn't the best scripting tool on the planet,
but it does a better job at being one than MSBuild. I too wrap MSBuild
(as a compiler) with NAnt.

Mike

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