RE: [nant-dev] Next release
This is what I use -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Scott Hernandez Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:48 AM To: Mark Griffiths Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Next release Docs, Docs, Docs... Okay, here is what I see. The code is very stable. 1.) I've got to make some quick changes so that we don't force the 1.0 framework, but that is pretty small. 2.) ChangeLog (We need to build this by hand from the cvs changes. This is not a very attractive option, but I don't know of another way). If anyone knows how to get a list of changes from cvs since the last release (by tag or date) please let me know. Right now the I can do it, but it is about 90% duplicate text and very hard to read. 3.) Readme and installation docs. There have been a lot of changes since the last release. I want users to see that and not flood the list with questions we can answer upfront. :) 4.) The website, userdocs, and references; these can wait as we are still a pre-1.0 release. We have a MSI task in NAntContrib that I want to use, but for now we will continue to distribute as a Zip file. Maybe after we release NAntContrib we can do a combined MSI distributions with tools and all. - Original Message - From: Mark Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:15 AM Subject: [nant-dev] Next release Are you any closer to releasing a new version 'proper'? The 0.7.9 release is dated 11-jun-2002 - nearly 8 months ago. Is there anything in particular that is holding the release up? Anything that I could lend a hand to? Cheers -MG --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers cvs2cl.pl Description: Binary data
Re: [nant-dev] Next release
Would it be possible to include support for building .NET Compact Framework assemblies in the release ? You should also be able to choose which .NET runtime you want to compile against. Is this currently possible ? Thanks, Gert - Original Message - From: Cort Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Scott Hernandez' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mark Griffiths' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: RE: [nant-dev] Next release This is what I use -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Scott Hernandez Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:48 AM To: Mark Griffiths Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Next release Docs, Docs, Docs... Okay, here is what I see. The code is very stable. 1.) I've got to make some quick changes so that we don't force the 1.0 framework, but that is pretty small. 2.) ChangeLog (We need to build this by hand from the cvs changes. This is not a very attractive option, but I don't know of another way). If anyone knows how to get a list of changes from cvs since the last release (by tag or date) please let me know. Right now the I can do it, but it is about 90% duplicate text and very hard to read. 3.) Readme and installation docs. There have been a lot of changes since the last release. I want users to see that and not flood the list with questions we can answer upfront. :) 4.) The website, userdocs, and references; these can wait as we are still a pre-1.0 release. We have a MSI task in NAntContrib that I want to use, but for now we will continue to distribute as a Zip file. Maybe after we release NAntContrib we can do a combined MSI distributions with tools and all. - Original Message - From: Mark Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:15 AM Subject: [nant-dev] Next release Are you any closer to releasing a new version 'proper'? The 0.7.9 release is dated 11-jun-2002 - nearly 8 months ago. Is there anything in particular that is holding the release up? Anything that I could lend a hand to? Cheers -MG --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers
Re: [nant-dev] Next release
I agree with Dave, documentation needs to be addressed. I really like the Wiki idea. We used a Wiki for documentation on my last project with good success. Our customer resisted it at first our original idea was to get the users to help with the documentation by editing the pages. It was accepted as a documentation medium when we showed that we could have an admin user that allowed us to edit the documentation and not allow the users to alter it. We gave our user base a separate forum for adding notes, requests and communication amongst themselves. shameless_plug I'd be willing to take a look at deploying a wiki to my NCode Sourceforge project to see if it works. NCode is a VS.Net IDE Add-In that does code completion from live templates (just like IntelliJ if anyone has used that). urlncode.sourceforge.net/url /shameless_plug -Aaron -Original Message- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 07:44:23 -0500 From: Dave Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Documentation. Specifically I've had to spend a lot of time just playing with it and seeing what it does. ... Have you considered hosting a Wiki for keeping and maintaining documentation? Even if you kept it hidden away for the developers list, and published out static files as the documentation - it would be a quick and easy way for all of us to contribute little snippets of information without any one person or group of people having to write full documentation. --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers
Re: [nant-dev] Next release
Quoting Tomas Restrepo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That sounds like a great idea. Scott, what do you think? If there's any problem with getting it on the sourceforge servers, I'd be willing to share some space on my hosting (provided we find a wiki we can run there). I'm using PureEnergy hosting for mine: http://www.purenrg.com/. $6 a month, runs on linux and has a lot of good features. This is where I've set up TWiki for my site. If you want a microsoft based wiki, you can go look here http://www.openwiki.org/ - not as full featured as others, but it works well. Or, find a huge lists of wiki's here: http://www.purenrg.com/ - the Original Ward Cunningham wiki. There are some dotNET ones, but I haven't had good luck with them - mainly they don't have a lot of features, or they aren't done and aren't showing progress. D --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers
Re: [nant-dev] Next release
Sansone, Aaron wrote: shameless_plug I'd be willing to take a look at deploying a wiki to my NCode Sourceforge project to see if it works. NCode is a VS.Net IDE Add-In that does code completion from live templates (just like IntelliJ if anyone has used that). urlncode.sourceforge.net/url /shameless_plug looks good Aaron. Did you copy the NAnt home page ? It still says NCode - A .NET Build Tool in the title :) Ian -Original Message- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 07:44:23 -0500 From: Dave Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Documentation. Specifically I've had to spend a lot of time just playing with it and seeing what it does. ... Have you considered hosting a Wiki for keeping and maintaining documentation? Even if you kept it hidden away for the developers list, and published out static files as the documentation - it would be a quick and easy way for all of us to contribute little snippets of information without any one person or group of people having to write full documentation. --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers
[nant-dev] Next release
Are you any closer to releasing a new version 'proper'? The 0.7.9 release is dated 11-jun-2002 - nearly 8 months ago. Is there anything in particular that is holding the release up? Anything that I could lend a hand to? Cheers -MG --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers
RE: [nant-dev] Next release
I am willing to pitch in as well. I would like to get a new release of Nant and NAntContrib so that when they are downloaded, both will build properly without hand-holding. Regards, Jay Turpin Intel Corporation The only difference between a problem and a solution is that people understand the solution. - Charles Kettering -Original Message- From: Mark Griffiths [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [nant-dev] Next release Are you any closer to releasing a new version 'proper'? The 0.7.9 release is dated 11-jun-2002 - nearly 8 months ago. Is there anything in particular that is holding the release up? Anything that I could lend a hand to? Cheers -MG --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers
Re: [nant-dev] Next release
Docs, Docs, Docs... Okay, here is what I see. The code is very stable. 1.) I've got to make some quick changes so that we don't force the 1.0 framework, but that is pretty small. 2.) ChangeLog (We need to build this by hand from the cvs changes. This is not a very attractive option, but I don't know of another way). If anyone knows how to get a list of changes from cvs since the last release (by tag or date) please let me know. Right now the I can do it, but it is about 90% duplicate text and very hard to read. 3.) Readme and installation docs. There have been a lot of changes since the last release. I want users to see that and not flood the list with questions we can answer upfront. :) 4.) The website, userdocs, and references; these can wait as we are still a pre-1.0 release. We have a MSI task in NAntContrib that I want to use, but for now we will continue to distribute as a Zip file. Maybe after we release NAntContrib we can do a combined MSI distributions with tools and all. - Original Message - From: Mark Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:15 AM Subject: [nant-dev] Next release Are you any closer to releasing a new version 'proper'? The 0.7.9 release is dated 11-jun-2002 - nearly 8 months ago. Is there anything in particular that is holding the release up? Anything that I could lend a hand to? Cheers -MG --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers
Re: [nant-dev] Next release
What can we do as a community to ensure that this doesn't happen again? I would say the best solution is for people to jump on board and volunteer one of the tasks Scott outlined... I think part of the problem is that it seems Scott is the only one of the project admins that has been around for the past few weeks (months?) devoting any real time to nant, and he's the one in the best position to do anything (and probably the only one with permisions to actually do the final release). Personally, I'm a little busy now, so that's why I've only contributed marginally lately, but if I can do anything to speed up the process, let me know. Also, consider that last time the topic came up, I said the NUnit2 support stuff was a showstopper, and I've since fixed it (what could be fixed without changing NUnit itself). -- Tomas Restrepo [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers
Re: [nant-dev] Next release
Kevin, you are correct, the only way to get this going is to have people work on it. Assigning people tasks is a great way, but sometimes a little challenging for projects of this nature. I'm a little hesitant to do as everyone here is a limited volunteer. I was hoping that with a nightly build server it is much easier to see what a release build would look like. Basically the nightly builds (run if there are changes for the day) should reflect what we would put out for a release. That way we can just check stuff in to cvs and everyone can look at the same results. I think we have gone through this nsis/msi discussion before. I'd lean towards a MSI installer rather than a nsis installer. We now have a MSI installer task in NAntContrib that seems to do all we need. I'd much rather see a nant installer using that tech. Please see this post for a summary of what was done. http://www.mail-archive.com/nantcontrib-developer@lists.sourceforge.net/msg0 0034.html (I also have some private email with more details if you are interested) In the NAntContrib project there is a build target that generates this. It creates an install for NAnt, NAntContrib and the extra tools. It is very cool, and should do what we need, and more. (BTW. Thanks Jayme, your contributions are much appreciated) HTHs, Scott - Original Message - From: Miller, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Griffin Caprio [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Scott Hernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mark Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeffrey McManus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: RE: [nant-dev] Next release What can we do as a community to ensure that this doesn't happen again? I would say the best solution is for people to jump on board and volunteer one of the tasks Scott outlined... 1. Looks like Scott volunteered himself. 2. If someone feels excited about this one 3. If I may it would be good for someone to crawl the list archive and extract a FAQ. 4. Agreed but isn't Jeffrey working on this? 5. Bundle task - I will volunteer to make a NSIS - http://www.nullsoft.com/free/nsis/ - step in the build process. I have done this already for my local nant build. Scott Wrote: 1.) I've got to make some quick changes so that we don't force the 1.0 framework, but that is pretty small. 2.) ChangeLog (We need to build this by hand from the cvs changes. This is not a very attractive option, but I don't know of another way). If anyone knows how to get a list of changes from cvs since the last release (by tag or date) please let me know. Right now the I can do it, but it is about 90% duplicate text and very hard to read. 3.) Readme and installation docs. There have been a lot of changes since the last release. I want users to see that and not flood the list with questions we can answer upfront. :) 4.) The website, userdocs, and references; these can wait as we are still a pre-1.0 release. We have a MSI task in NAntContrib that I want to use, but for now we will continue to distribute as a Zip file. Maybe after we release NAntContrib we can do a combined MSI distributions with tools and all. --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers
RE: [nant-dev] Next release
I was really calling for volunteers in areas of expertise and volunteering myself to set an example. Of course I took one of the easy/optional tasks as I am lazy. I am cool with the MSI Task. I will take a look at learning how it works. Of course this is not a gate to a release. Kevin -Original Message- From: Scott Hernandez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:52 PM To: Miller, Kevin; Griffin Caprio; Mark Griffiths; Jeffrey McManus Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Next release Kevin, you are correct, the only way to get this going is to have people work on it. Assigning people tasks is a great way, but sometimes a little challenging for projects of this nature. I'm a little hesitant to do as everyone here is a limited volunteer. I was hoping that with a nightly build server it is much easier to see what a release build would look like. Basically the nightly builds (run if there are changes for the day) should reflect what we would put out for a release. That way we can just check stuff in to cvs and everyone can look at the same results. I think we have gone through this nsis/msi discussion before. I'd lean towards a MSI installer rather than a nsis installer. We now have a MSI installer task in NAntContrib that seems to do all we need. I'd much rather see a nant installer using that tech. Please see this post for a summary of what was done. http://www.mail-archive.com/nantcontrib-developer@lists.sourceforge.net/msg0 0034.html (I also have some private email with more details if you are interested) In the NAntContrib project there is a build target that generates this. It creates an install for NAnt, NAntContrib and the extra tools. It is very cool, and should do what we need, and more. (BTW. Thanks Jayme, your contributions are much appreciated) HTHs, Scott - Original Message - From: Miller, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Griffin Caprio [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Scott Hernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mark Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeffrey McManus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: RE: [nant-dev] Next release What can we do as a community to ensure that this doesn't happen again? I would say the best solution is for people to jump on board and volunteer one of the tasks Scott outlined... 1. Looks like Scott volunteered himself. 2. If someone feels excited about this one 3. If I may it would be good for someone to crawl the list archive and extract a FAQ. 4. Agreed but isn't Jeffrey working on this? 5. Bundle task - I will volunteer to make a NSIS - http://www.nullsoft.com/free/nsis/ - step in the build process. I have done this already for my local nant build. Scott Wrote: 1.) I've got to make some quick changes so that we don't force the 1.0 framework, but that is pretty small. 2.) ChangeLog (We need to build this by hand from the cvs changes. This is not a very attractive option, but I don't know of another way). If anyone knows how to get a list of changes from cvs since the last release (by tag or date) please let me know. Right now the I can do it, but it is about 90% duplicate text and very hard to read. 3.) Readme and installation docs. There have been a lot of changes since the last release. I want users to see that and not flood the list with questions we can answer upfront. :) 4.) The website, userdocs, and references; these can wait as we are still a pre-1.0 release. We have a MSI task in NAntContrib that I want to use, but for now we will continue to distribute as a Zip file. Maybe after we release NAntContrib we can do a combined MSI distributions with tools and all. --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers
RE: [nant-dev] Next release - and Nunit2
About the next release - I'm all for releasing what we have right now. Also, consider that last time the topic came up, I said the NUnit2 support stuff was a showstopper, and I've since fixed it (what could be fixed without changing NUnit itself). I agree nunit2 is not a showstopper - but as I have said before I do not think the Nunit2 task works as it should, since it will report failure on test assemblies the nuint2 testunner can run without any failures (current directory issue). I have working examples of this. Tomas - it it something you want me to work with, or do you disagree with the intention that the Nunit2 task should test assemblies the same way the Nunit2 Testrunner does - or ... And again - this is not a tangent that should prevent anyone from doing a release ... :-) Enjoy, Michael Arnoldus -- Tomas Restrepo [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com ___ Nant-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers
