Re: NEBS Level 3 Plus

2002-10-15 Thread Nazeeh Shaheen
Re: You wrote:
I caution everyone to obtain the specific checklists/requirements from
each of your potential customers and comply with them.


Im not sure what planet Verizon was on when they announced at the 2002
NEBS seminar that they were attempting to combine all RBOC requirements
into the Verizon checklist.   See SIT.NEBS.TE.NPI.2002.010 section 4.2.

Although I am sure the intentions were good, a unilateral attempt to
document what the other RBOCs requirements are is dangerous at best.

I can list a few Qwest and SBC initiatives from the 2001 NEBS seminar
which are missing from the Verizon Document.  Qwest: Lower Acoustic
Noise levels for RTs due to complaints filed by the PUC.
Qwest: Exposure to High Temperature Testing for RTs at 125F (not 115F)
in GR-487-CORE.  SBC: Immunity to Voltage Transients on DC Input. etc.
Notably missing from the Seminar this year were the 3 other RBOCs
(Qwest, SBC, BellSouth)  ATT was the only other Service Provider
present.

So, in summary use the checklist for Verizon only.  They have done a
great job defining what is important to them.  But I couldn't agree more
that the Verizon checklist is not the source for other Service
Providers.

Regards
Nazeeh Shaheen
Manager, Approvals
Occam Networks




RE: NEBS Level 3 Plus

2002-10-15 Thread JIM WIESE
Also for clarification, NEBS Level 3 Plus means all of GR-1089-CORE and all 
of GR-63-CORE.  Also known as NEBS Level 3 Plus other criteria  Both terms 
are borne from SR -3580, although not contained within in it.
 
The confusion arises from the fact that not all the criteria in GR-1089 and 
GR-63 appear in NEBS Levels 1, 2, and 3 levels of SR-3580.  There are several 
that fall into another category that are basically other miscellaneous 
criteria.  Since each RBOC typically requires evaluations to all the
criteria in GR-1089-CORE and GR-63-CORE, not just those in Level 1, 2, and 3, 
the term NEBS Level 3 Plus was used by people around industry to mean NEBS 
Level 3 plus other miscellaneous criteria in SR-3580 that are not contained in 
levels 1, 2, and 3 or all of GR-1089 and GR-63
 
But as Dave pointed out be careful.  The deviations in test procedures or test 
labs required by some RBOC's can have a significant influence on whether you 
comply with a given criteria.  So you may be NEBS level 3 Plus with one RBOC 
and not be NEBS Level 3 Plus with another depending upon how the
test was performed or who performed it.
 
Also be aware that some RBOC's and CLEC's accept testing to some of the new 
ANSI standards that are being developed.  For instance the earthquake test was 
revised in ANSI T1.329-2002 and the Fire test was revised in ANSI T1.319-2002.  
The materials requirements for fire in GR-63 are from ANSI T1.307
which is up for ballot currently and should be accepted by November.  All three 
of these are base documents for GR-63 earthquake and fire tests.  These were 
not used when GR-63 was revised last April.  Since three RBOC's and a couple 
CLEC's participated in the development and approved  these ANSI
standards, they tend to let manufacturers use these in place of the outdated 
GR-63 tests.  But make sure you discuss with your customer first as Verizon for 
instance does not accept the new T1.329 fire standard. 
 
There seems to be significant interest to have Telcordia revise GR-63 to 
address these and other issues, and anyone interested should contact Richard 
Kluge at Telcordia to express interest that a project be opened to update GR-63 
with the newest ANSI documents and fix other issues that labs and
manufacturers know exist.
 
Good Luck,
 
Jim 
Jim Wiese 
NEBS Project Manager/Senior Compliance Engineer 
ADTRAN, INC. 
901 Explorer Blvd. 
P.O. Box 14 
Huntsville, AL 35814-4000 
256-963-8431 
256-963-8250 fax 
jim.wi...@adtran.com 
-Original Message-
From: Dave Lorusso [mailto:d...@lorusso.com]
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:19 PM
To: Georgerian, Richard; IEEE emc-pstc
Subject: RE: NEBS Level 3 Plus


Richard,
 
Verizon does not recognize NEBS Level 3 as called out in Telcordia/Bellcore 
SR-3580.  They had input into this document, but later regretted it.  What 
Verizon does recognize is their own checklist at www.verizonnebs.com 
http://www.verizonnebs.com/ .  The confusion comes from the fact that the
SR-3580 requirements are scattered throughout Verizon's checklist.  
 
At the NEBS 2002 Conference last week, Verizon introduced their latest revision 
of their checklist.  They are trying to incorporate all of the other RBOC's and 
ATT requirements into this document.  I caution everyone to obtain the specific 
checklists/requirements from each or your potential
customers and comply with them.
 
NEBS Plus is mentioned in an article I wrote for Evaluation Engineering What 
Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS:
 
http://www.evaluationengineering.com/archive/articles/0502emc.htm 
http://www.evaluationengineering.com/archive/articles/0502emc.htm 
 
The intent was to highlight that just meeting NEBS Level 3 was not enough to 
get equipment into your customer's central offices.
 
In summary, there is no NEBS Level 3 Plus requirement, there are only 
customer requirements.
 
Best regards,
 
Dave Lorusso
Lorusso Technologies, LLC 
Your NEBS, Product Safety and EMC Solution
 http://www.lorusso.com/ www.lorusso.com 
www.nebs-faq.com http://www.nebs-faq.com/  
512.695.5871 (phone)
512.233.2939 (fax)
 
-Original Message-
From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org 
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Georgerian, Richard
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 11:10 AM
To: IEEE emc-pstc
Subject: NEBS Level 3 Plus
 
Greetings All, 
Does anyone know the specifics regarding Verizons NEBS Level 3 Plus 
requirement. I have checked the Verizon web pages, the archives of the 
emc-pstc, and the word search on the internet, with no luck. Otherwise, I 
believe this is just another name for the checklist document that Verizon uses 
and
can be downloaded from their website.
Thanks in-advance. 
Richard Georgerian 
Compliance Engineer 
Carrier Access Corporation 
5395 Pearl Parkway 
Boulder, CO 80301 
USA 
Tele: 303-218-5748  Fax: 303-218-5503   
mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com