[neonixie-l] Re: New to Group Bad dog designs
Hi Paul, I have seen a few of your clocks on eBay, I do like the test equip sawn-offs - I have a Venner counter here that would go nicely like this but it is such a nice bit of kit as it is... Nice to see that there are a few of us in the south of the UK, guess we will all be battering down the hatches today if the news reports are anything to go by - just hope your clocks have battery backups ;-) - Ax -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/28074d7f-4f14-420a-a452-fa0a5ff4c559%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] How exactly does mercury increase Nixie lifetime?
Hello From my chemistry days I think there is a complementary explanation to the coating of cathodes with Mercury and for mercury vapor inside the Nixie. It takes less energy to energize mercury atoms than energizing the atoms in the penning mix (Neon and Argon). This principle also led to the development of the fluorescent tube. In this way the mercury atoms form part of the thermionic emission releasing electrons with UV wavelenghths which collide with and ionize the noble gas atoms inside the tube to form the resulting plasma by the process of impact ionization. As a result of avalanche ionization the ionized gas increases its conductivity rapidly and a current is able to flow. Mercury also has the benefit of stabilizing the ionization voltage as well as increasing the life of the cathode. On Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:32:10 UTC+11, Dalibor wrote: Hi, the mercury adheres to cathode surface and because its molecule is heavy, it is less likely to be relieved from the cathode by electrons bombarding the cathode (compared to relatively light molecules of Fe, Ni, Cr - stainless steel).. The lifetime of mercury doped nixies is 200.000 hrs, tubes without mercury have 5.000 hrs (MTBF value from datasheets). This is a theory.. The lifetime otself depends on many other parametrs, eg. size of the hole in anode grid or shape of the ceramic insulators between numbers.. My experimental tube without mercury is at ~1500 hrs, no signs of metal deposit on glass, some deposit of shiny metal on ceramic insulators - the resistivity is not measurable yet (300 Mohms). photo: http://tinyurl.com/n5o5bau Dalibor 2014-02-13 8:44 GMT+01:00 Kevin Keith krfk...@gmail.com javascript:: I've seen references and claims to this fact, but never an explanation of the exact mechanism? So, with that said, how *does* mercury actually reduce cathode poisoning/sputtering damage? Are there any potential alternatives? Would something like gallium work? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send an email to neoni...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/61e65e8a-43ac-4cc4-824b-04c7f4039731%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Dalibor Farny phone: +420 724 321 571 http://www.daliborfarny.com blog: http://dalibor.farny.cz -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/c463dde4-e49f-4be6-bbe3-895526ef57e9%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Cathode Construction: material? thickness?
If you consider/allow the IN-13 bargraph to be a nixie tube, it uses a molybdenum cathode and nickel anode. Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/fbd485f0-1c3d-4045-9cb3-d31466a22943%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[neonixie-l] Re: Micro Nixie Controller board
Ron, I have the board design complete and I am currently testing the software - I like to make sure the software gets a complete test, which takes a little time. Next week I will launch a Kick Start program so I can build a decent quantity of boards at a low price. I'll keep you informed. - Michael Sangster I have a more up to date thread on tube clock database (http://www.tubeclockdb.com/forum/Builders-Forum/5153-Tiny-universal-clock-PCB.html). On Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:43:51 PM UTC-6, blkadder wrote: Hey Michael, I was sniffing around the board, and remembered I starred this project. I know this may be a zombie thread, but I am curious if you have made any progress with this one. I have an Ardruinx that I would love to add a GPS function to the clock. Thanks for any updates. Ron On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:06:53 PM UTC-4, M.J.Sangster wrote: I'm planning on building and possibly selling a micro nixie controller board. The idea is to create the smallest possible Nixie controller board that can drive 6 Nixies (3x2 multiplexing). I am posting this to see if the feature set of the board makes sense, or if I am missing anything. Here is a link to preliminary information: Micro Nixie Controller Boardhttp://www.coldwarcreations.com/microboard/microboard.html Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/716c861b-0f4a-4e7a-b74c-cd52398bb1d0%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[neonixie-l] Re: New to Group Bad dog designs
Just started hammering down here - the cellar under my workshop now has 4ft of water in it :( SWMBO is out buying bits to get our pumps going again... Weird thing is that those places around us that normally flood, i.e. flood in most normal winters, have escaped this time for some reason. We live on top of one of the highest hills in the Weald - lifted the concrete slab over the well at the weekend - the water was about 15cm/6in from the top, i.e. the water table at the top of the hill is only 6 inches down... No where left for the rain to go... no wonder the rivers are overflowing... Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/f7bd91e1-597c-43d1-ac1b-545db9061bf5%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: New to Group Bad dog designs
Stay safe Nick and to all the others affected in my old homelandwe could do with some of that water in CA! Nick On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Nick n...@desmith.net wrote: Just started hammering down here - the cellar under my workshop now has 4ft of water in it :( SWMBO is out buying bits to get our pumps going again... Weird thing is that those places around us that normally flood, i.e. flood in most normal winters, have escaped this time for some reason. We live on top of one of the highest hills in the Weald - lifted the concrete slab over the well at the weekend - the water was about 15cm/6in from the top, i.e. the water table at the top of the hill is only 6 inches down... No where left for the rain to go... no wonder the rivers are overflowing... Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/f7bd91e1-597c-43d1-ac1b-545db9061bf5%40googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CAOX%2BRHLHMKWpnzsOagg7NBs-NxxVqdsv3b06ERj%3DrqHbU0C%3Ddw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Micro Nixie Controller board
Eric, The thread started on the tube clock database forum that I put on my previous post. I have a link to more info on the board here: www.coldwarcreations.com/microboard/microboard.html This sums up the board, and I will post more info on the site next week. I will post the Kick start info on this forum and the tube clock database forum. - Michael On Friday, February 14, 2014 9:00:38 AM UTC-6, Tidak Ada wrote: Hi Michael, Please can you give me more information on that board? Especially a link to the thread where it started, but other interesting threads and other information is of course also welcome. Do you announce the publication on Kick-Start here on this forum? eric -- *From:* neoni...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: neoni...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *M.J.Sangster *Sent:* vrijdag 14 februari 2014 15:49 *To:* neoni...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Subject:* [neonixie-l] Re: Micro Nixie Controller board Ron, I have the board design complete and I am currently testing the software - I like to make sure the software gets a complete test, which takes a little time. Next week I will launch a Kick Start program so I can build a decent quantity of boards at a low price. I'll keep you informed. - Michael Sangster I have a more up to date thread on tube clock database ( http://www.tubeclockdb.com/forum/Builders-Forum/5153-Tiny-universal-clock-PCB.html ). On Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:43:51 PM UTC-6, blkadder wrote: Hey Michael, I was sniffing around the board, and remembered I starred this project. I know this may be a zombie thread, but I am curious if you have made any progress with this one. I have an Ardruinx that I would love to add a GPS function to the clock. Thanks for any updates. Ron On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:06:53 PM UTC-4, M.J.Sangster wrote: I'm planning on building and possibly selling a micro nixie controller board. The idea is to create the smallest possible Nixie controller board that can drive 6 Nixies (3x2 multiplexing). I am posting this to see if the feature set of the board makes sense, or if I am missing anything. Here is a link to preliminary information: Micro Nixie Controller Boardhttp://www.coldwarcreations.com/microboard/microboard.html Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send an email to neoni...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/716c861b-0f4a-4e7a-b74c-cd52398bb1d0%40googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/b93f84f9-a9a9-47f9-8e83-9d2d904e2d30%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[neonixie-l] Good benchtop multimeter
Hi Folks, a little off-topic (but perhaps not)...can anyone recommend a good, reasonably priced bench top multimeter for a hobbyist who's trying to understand a little bit more about electronics (me..). I have a good handheld but am looking for something a little more permanent for my workshop and thought I'd ask some of the pro's on this forum Thanks in advance, Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CAOX%2BRH%2BgDV0zxhWEU%3DQdcEk%2BHq%2B0PVDDYHyVGUsFRf5a7B4E%2BQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Cathode Construction: material? thickness?
On Friday, February 14, 2014 3:53:20 AM UTC-7, AlexTsekenis wrote: If you consider/allow the IN-13 bargraph to be a nixie tube, it uses a molybdenum cathode and nickel anode. Alex Interesting! Does the IN-13 contain mercury? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/4fbb22dc-f61d-4699-b85e-c04e7f8600a5%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[neonixie-l] Re: Good benchtop multimeter
I'm a huge fan of the Agilent 34401A - now superceded but still the best selling bench DMM ever. The replacement 34461A new is less than a new 344301A but the older one is often available on auction sites. Probably overkill but undoubtedly the best there is :) Cheers Nick On Friday, 14 February 2014 16:07:11 UTC, Pramanicin wrote: Hi Folks, a little off-topic (but perhaps not)...can anyone recommend a good, reasonably priced bench top multimeter for a hobbyist who's trying to understand a little bit more about electronics (me..). I have a good handheld but am looking for something a little more permanent for my workshop and thought I'd ask some of the pro's on this forum Thanks in advance, Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/9f8e00e7-68b8-4500-b903-e284c069a3ae%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Good benchtop multimeter
There are a lot of HP 3478A available on ebay in varying condition at affordable prices. I was lucky to find one for $150 in Europe in great condition. //c 14 feb 2014 kl. 17:07 skrev Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com: Hi Folks, a little off-topic (but perhaps not)...can anyone recommend a good, reasonably priced bench top multimeter for a hobbyist who's trying to understand a little bit more about electronics (me..). I have a good handheld but am looking for something a little more permanent for my workshop and thought I'd ask some of the pro's on this forum Thanks in advance, Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CAOX%2BRH%2BgDV0zxhWEU%3DQdcEk%2BHq%2B0PVDDYHyVGUsFRf5a7B4E%2BQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/7698CD42-B8B4-4A32-B43B-C399CB113E7A%40gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Good benchtop multimeter
The 3478A is a very good meter as are most of the HP's and same for Fluke. The Fluke 8840 series is quite good, and should be affordable on Ebay as well. BUT, as with all things on Ebay either buy one that is warrantied to be in good 'working' condition, OR is at least returnable to the seller. Ira. On 2/14/2014 11:49 AM, Christian Bjelle wrote: There are a lot of HP 3478A available on ebay in varying condition at affordable prices. I was lucky to find one for $150 in Europe in great condition. //c 14 feb 2014 kl. 17:07 skrev Nicholas Stock nickst...@gmail.com mailto:nickst...@gmail.com: Hi Folks, a little off-topic (but perhaps not)...can anyone recommend a good, reasonably priced bench top multimeter for a hobbyist who's trying to understand a little bit more about electronics (me..). I have a good handheld but am looking for something a little more permanent for my workshop and thought I'd ask some of the pro's on this forum Thanks in advance, Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CAOX%2BRH%2BgDV0zxhWEU%3DQdcEk%2BHq%2B0PVDDYHyVGUsFRf5a7B4E%2BQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/7698CD42-B8B4-4A32-B43B-C399CB113E7A%40gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/52FE767B.2000803%40HUGHES.NET. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. attachment: IRACOSALES.vcf
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Good benchtop multimeter
Yes the 34401A is an excellent meter, I have several here on different benches in our lab, and as you mention has been superseded. However it probably still sells for around four hundred bucks, give or take, on Ebay in WARRANTIED working condition, which may still be a bit much for some folks. Ira. On 2/14/2014 11:32 AM, Nick wrote: I'm a huge fan of the Agilent 34401A - now superceded but still the best selling bench DMM ever. The replacement 34461A new is less than a new 344301A but the older one is often available on auction sites. Probably overkill but undoubtedly the best there is :) Cheers Nick On Friday, 14 February 2014 16:07:11 UTC, Pramanicin wrote: Hi Folks, a little off-topic (but perhaps not)...can anyone recommend a good, reasonably priced bench top multimeter for a hobbyist who's trying to understand a little bit more about electronics (me..). I have a good handheld but am looking for something a little more permanent for my workshop and thought I'd ask some of the pro's on this forum Thanks in advance, Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/52FE77F3.4090609%40HUGHES.NET. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. attachment: IRACOSALES.vcf
Re: [neonixie-l] Cathode Construction: material? thickness?
Not to my knowledge for the two variants. On 14 Feb 2014 17:32, Kevin Keith krfke...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, February 14, 2014 3:53:20 AM UTC-7, AlexTsekenis wrote: If you consider/allow the IN-13 bargraph to be a nixie tube, it uses a molybdenum cathode and nickel anode. Alex Interesting! Does the IN-13 contain mercury? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/neonixie-l/AnN9c-PMoW0/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all of its topics, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/4fbb22dc-f61d-4699-b85e-c04e7f8600a5%40googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CAAnFh2bZaOvNbni_qcCcE3AySh0gwKfU9Pc0i5op6ZxkBtZ3SA%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Source for Dekatrons?
You can find sockets for the A101 at: http://www.gstube.com/catalog/rsh30-0/ I got some from him a short while back. Note that the picture shows a metal clamp; he does not have them anymore. Cheers, Bill van Dijk From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mitchell Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 7:41 PM To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Source for Dekatrons? Since I can't find sockets for the A101's I've been worried about how I was going to mount them to the chassis. It looks like these will fill the bill: http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Richco%20Inc%20PDFs/SCH-1.pdf They will cinch down on the base of the tube. Since they are made of nylon they shouldn't cause any damage. I don't know if they will release though. On Sunday, February 9, 2014 6:37:22 PM UTC-5, Mike Mitchell wrote: I'm thinking about building a clock using Dekatrons as the counting logic. It looks like A101 dekatrons are fairly easy to find, but I cannot locate socket for them. I'll probably use QS30-1 nixies as an alternate display. They use B13B sockets, so a dekatron that also uses the B13B socket would be more visually appealing. I'd like to find a small-height dekatron to match the QS30-1 profile, something like the Z504S, ZM1070, or 8433. Does anyone have a good source for low-height selector dekatrons with a B13B base? Each clock will need eight dekatrons, and I plan on building two clocks. The finished product will have two rows of seven tubes, the first 6 in the top row nixies and the rest dekatrons. The left-most top row will be a dekatron showing tenths of seconds. Under each nixie tube will be the dekatron for that digit. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/8b18b618-9a03-41a9-90c1-b07fb36acff0%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/01cf29e4%24dc3cad00%2494b60700%24%40com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Good benchtop multimeter
The HP's and Flukes are all really good but I picked up a Techtronixs CDM250 awhile back for a song and a dance. Nice meter. Look on the bay as there is plenty there of all types. On Saturday, February 15, 2014 4:09 AM, Instrument Resources of America iracosa...@hughes.net wrote: Yes the 34401A is an excellent meter, I have several here on different benches in our lab, and as you mention has been superseded. However it probably still sells for around four hundred bucks, give or take, on Ebay in WARRANTIED working condition, which may still be a bit much for some folks. Ira. On 2/14/2014 11:32 AM, Nick wrote: I'm a huge fan of the Agilent 34401A - now superceded but still the best selling bench DMM ever. The replacement 34461A new is less than a new 344301A but the older one is often available on auction sites. Probably overkill but undoubtedly the best there is :) Cheers Nick On Friday, 14 February 2014 16:07:11 UTC, Pramanicin wrote: Hi Folks, a little off-topic (but perhaps not)...can anyone recommend a good, reasonably priced bench top multimeter for a hobbyist who's trying to understand a little bit more about electronics (me..). I have a good handheld but am looking for something a little more permanent for my workshop and thought I'd ask some of the pro's on this forum Thanks in advance, Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/52FE77F3.4090609%40HUGHES.NET. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/1392433546.72338.YahooMailNeo%40web160801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.