[neonixie-l] Panaplex display on eBay

2014-06-18 Thread Paul Parry
Hi All,
 
Just spotted eBay  item 141318162100 It's a very old Multimeter ending 
today (18th June ) Might be worth a bid as I think it has some old Panaplex 
type display if anyone is interested.
 
Cheers,
Paul
 

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Re: [neonixie-l] Panaplex display on eBay

2014-06-18 Thread Arne Rossius
Hi,

On 18.06.2014 12:14, Paul Parry wrote:
 Just spotted eBay  item 141318162100 It's a very old Multimeter ending
 today (18th June ) Might be worth a bid as I think it has some old
 Panaplex type display if anyone is interested.

Looks more like incadescent to me (Minitron displays), 1x
plus/minus/one and 3x 7-segment, but I couldn't find any info on it
(probably homemade). Those minitrons are hard to find and usually quite
expensive too, so it's still a good find.


Best Regards,
Arne

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Re: [neonixie-l] Panaplex display on eBay

2014-06-18 Thread David Forbes

On 6/18/14 3:23 AM, Arne Rossius wrote:

Hi,

On 18.06.2014 12:14, Paul Parry wrote:

Just spotted eBay  item 141318162100 It's a very old Multimeter ending
today (18th June ) Might be worth a bid as I think it has some old
Panaplex type display if anyone is interested.


Looks more like incadescent to me (Minitron displays), 1x
plus/minus/one and 3x 7-segment, but I couldn't find any info on it
(probably homemade). Those minitrons are hard to find and usually quite
expensive too, so it's still a good find.


Best Regards,
Arne




I agree. Those are incandescent displays. I have a multimeter with 
those. Mine is Japanese instead of British, and more commercial.


This thing might be good for the displays and the driver chips. It's 
probably not much of a multimeter.


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Re: [neonixie-l] MC34063 SMPS questions

2014-06-18 Thread petehand
There are so many things wrong with this circuit that I scarcely know where 
to start.

The basic operation of an up convertor is that a certain amount of power 
from the low voltage supply is stored as magnetic energy in the coil, and 
then released as high voltage when the field collapses. Hhopefully most of 
it goes into the output capacitor. You cannot of course get more power out 
than goes in, and every milliWatt of it has to be stored and then released 
by the magnetic core on the way.

Let's start with C8, the cap directly on the coil. At the moment of turn 
on, this capacitor supplies essentially all of the coil current until it 
discharges - thus completely defeating the current limiting function of the 
34063, which senses only the current flowing through R3-R6. The coil could 
saturate and the chip still think it has no current at all.

The coil is 220uH and there is some series resistance, 0.5R in the FET, 
0.25R in R3-R6 and some unknown series resistance in the PSU and elsewhere. 
Let's guess it's 1 ohm total. The time constant of the coil = L/R, or in 
this case 220us. Note that the bigger the series resistance, the smaller is 
the time constant - counter-intuitive, but true. The time constant is the 
time it takes the inductor current to rise to 63% of its final value, which 
in this case would be about 12V/1R or 12 amps. Unless you run it from a car 
battery the PSU probably can't source that much current, but that doesn't 
matter in the short term. 63% of 12A is 7.56A. If we assume the current 
rises in a linear fashion, which it does approximately, the straight line 
from 0 to 7.56 takes 220 microseconds. If you were to plot that on a graph 
you would see that the current passes the coil saturation point of 1.25A 
after 36 microseconds - actually it will be a bit less, because the current 
rises faster at the beginning. (If the current limit was working properly 
it would limit the current to about 1.2A.) The switching frequency is set 
by C3 and with 1nF, the frequency is about 33kHz. The maximum on period 
is therefore 30 microseconds, which is kind of close to the saturation 
point. You must not, therefore, make the timing capacitor C3 any larger 
than 1nF unless you also increase the size of the coil.

Now, power-in versus power-out. If you want 180V at 35mA, that's 6.3W at 
the output. Allowing for 85% efficiency (the 34063 spec) that's about 7.5W 
at the input. From a 12V supply, that requires a mean forward current of 
625mA in the coil. The current waveform is roughly a triangle and the 
maximum permissible peak current is less than twice the required mean - 
therefore, you can only just barely put enough energy into the inductor to 
get close but still short of the output you want, running flat out with no 
losses. To get more, you need to use a physically bigger inductor and 
reduce the current limit resistors, to input and store more energy.

Let's look next at the losses. Only one thing really matters in a flyback 
convertor and that's how fast you can turn off the switching transistor, 
because every nanosecond the drain voltage takes to rise, it's dissipating 
magnetic energy that isn't going into the output. The dual emitter follower 
configuration Q1-Q3 in the schematic doesn't do a good job here. For a 
start, the NPN Q1 is not only unnecessary, it's harmful. We don't care how 
slowly the FET turns ON, only how fast it turns OFF. We want to wham that 
FET gate down to ground so hard and so fast it doesn't know what it it, and 
all Q1 does is fight it. Q1 could be replaced with a 4.7k resistor (and R12 
removed). Then there's the configuration of Q3. Emitter followers are fast, 
but they have a very high input impedance (rie * hfe) - for the 2N3906 in 
this configuration, it would be in the region of 20-50k. Since the 34063 in 
this configuration can only source current and not sink it, any stray 
capacitance on the base side has to discharge through Q3 and R11, with R11 
being dominant. If the stray capacitance is 25pF, the time constant is 125 
nanoseconds, which is the time for the voltage to fall by 63%. At (100-63)% 
of 12V the base of Q3 is still at 4.5V. and its emitter is Vbe above that, 
ie at 5V - the FET is therefore still turned hard on. Then it gets worse, 
because the discharge curve flattens after 1 time constant - it takes about 
5 time constants to lose 95% of the charge, so over the next microsecond 
the FET gate voltage falls slowly from 5V to 1V, and the FET channel 
resistance rises equally slowly. During that whole time, the magnetic 
energy in the coil has an easier path to ground than through the rectifier 
to the output. It's all wasted by making the FET hot.

So without totally ripping up the circuit, here's my suggestion. 
- Remove C8, the cap across the coil, and replace C2.
- Remove Q1 and replace it with a 4.7k resistor. Remove R12.
- Replace R11 with a 680 ohm 1/4 watt to shorten the rise time.

If you really want to rip up the circuit,