Re: [neonixie-l] Video with nixies display in old secret place

[gregebert]

My $0.02 here

"Tomorrowland" was the inspiration for my first-and-only IN-18 clock I 
created. It even has a pushbutton to turn on the clock made from a 
tomorrowland souvenir pin.
My wife instantly recognized the nixie clock in the movie and gave me 
strict orders to make on for her.

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[neonixie-l] Re: Is it bad to turn neon light on and off by wall outlet?

[Dman777]

Thanks! That is fascinating!  Question though.

When I got the neon sign there was a warranty notice that said do not use a 
dimmer or else. Would this gradual power decrease by the remote outlet 
switch be the same thing? 

Thank you,
-Darin


On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 11:09:32 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:
>
> When you turned the Xbox display off by the remote, it is obvious that 
> there is a programmed shutdown in the way that the letters turn off from 
> the middle out, i.e. it's a software shutdown (there's a CPU in there 
> probably controlling the SMPS and doing the cool display digit effects).
>
> When you switch the mains off, that's it. It turns off.
>
> Turning off the mains via the smart socket will not hurt the neon and 
> SHOULD NOT hurt the control electronics of the display.
>
> Nick
>
>

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[neonixie-l] Re: Is it bad to turn neon light on and off by wall outlet?

[Nick]

When you turned the Xbox display off by the remote, it is obvious that there is 
a programmed shutdown in the way that the letters turn off from the middle out, 
i.e. it's a software shutdown (there's a CPU in there probably controlling the 
SMPS and doing the cool display digit effects).

When you switch the mains off, that's it. It turns off.

Turning off the mains via the smart socket will not hurt the neon and SHOULD 
NOT hurt the control electronics of the display.

Nick

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[neonixie-l] Re: Is it bad to turn neon light on and off by wall outlet?

[Dman777]

I haven't got a opportunity to try the experiement you suggested yet, but 
yes... there is a loud physical click when the wifi smart outlet turns it 
off...like something physical moves. 

Because of this, do you think I might shorten the life of my sign if I 
don't use the on and off switch built into it?

Thanks,
-Darin


On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 9:20:46 PM UTC-5, Dman777 wrote:
>
> I just got a new Xbox neon light sign. I also bought a wifi smart outlet 
> so I can turn it off with my Google Home and Echo. 
>
> I noticed that when I turn it off by the smart outlet, the neon sign turns 
> off differently. The letters have a unique pattern when they turn off. This 
> is not the same behavior as when I turn it off by the sign's native 
> switch...then all the letters go off at once. 
>
> Is it bad for the neon sign or hard on the circuitry to be turning it on 
> and off by the wall smart outlet switch instead of the signs normal on and 
> off switch?
>
> Here is a video of sign being turned off by outlet 
> 
>

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[neonixie-l] Re: Is it bad to turn neon light on and off by wall outlet?

[gregebert]

I suggest you try another experiment: Try pulling the plug to turn it 
on/off. Does that mimic the way the sign turns off with the smart outlet ?

Once you have that info, we can speculate about what the power switch in 
the sign does, and also the smart outlet. It might not be a simple 
series-switch like most appliances have; it could somehow be tied into the 
power supply, which would explain why the shutoff is different
 
Does the smart outlet click when turning on/off ? If so, it's a relay. If 
not, it's probably a triac. They have different turn-off characteristics.

Is the sign 2-conductor (neutral & hot), or 3-conductor (neutral + hot + 
GND). I've seen really weird things happen with noise coupling between 
neutral and GND.

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[neonixie-l] Is it bad to turn neon light on and off by wall outlet?

[Dman777]

I just got a new Xbox neon light sign. I also bought a wifi smart outlet so 
I can turn it off with my Google Home and Echo. 

I noticed that when I turn it off by the smart outlet, the neon sign turns 
off differently. The letters have a unique pattern when they turn off. This 
is not the same behavior as when I turn it off by the sign's native 
switch...then all the letters go off at once. 

Is it bad for the neon sign or hard on the circuitry to be turning it on 
and off by the wall smart outlet switch instead of the signs normal on and 
off switch?

Here is a video of sign being turned off by outlet 


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Re: [neonixie-l] Video with nixies display in old secret place

[Nick]

Excellent - thanks for this!

Nick

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Re: [neonixie-l] Video with nixies display in old secret place

[Paolo Cravero]

Regarding the list of movies and documentaries and clips featuring our
beloved display technology, I would suggest to experiment a collaborative
approach that I have successfully used to write a FAQ within a community
similar to neonixie-l (worldwide, nobody knew each other before, just
sharing a common interesst and English language).

A spreadsheet is created on Google Docs/Drive and it is left open for
editing to anyone knowing the link. The system embeds versioning control,
so mistakes or unwanted deletions can be recovered. All editing is done
through the web browser: no need for a specific software, no need to
circulate a file and merge versions. The platform supports concurrent
editing of the same document, so you might find yourself working on a row,
while someone else edits other cells (if you've been dealing with multiple
editors of a single document you'll love this feature!).

Hoping not to step over moderators, If you want to give it a try I made a
draft in the group's files section and added references that I know of:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12flg9o8OFw3oAlLBToHj
pNLt1VdUuMSRkMb-7SJ4xuA/edit?usp=sharing

*The focus is on videos showing nixies in use in their original device and
time*. Technically "Tomorrowland" does not qualify under those conditions,
but the collaborative work will shape the content of the list. The table is
not meant to link personal projects or current products. I would also leave
out static media like screenshots or pictures to avoid copyright
infringments.

Once data has been collected, global permission to write will be removed
and potentially ownership transferred to mods.

If this approach will not lead to meaningful data I will remove the file on
May 8th, 2017.

Thank you for reading so far.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Love for small tubes

['Ian Vine' via neonixie-l]

Got to agree. I prefer the minute over the gigantic tubes any day. 

IanV

> On 22 Apr 2017, at 16:54, Paul Andrews  wrote:
> 
> This is a little video of a CD80-P cycling through all its digits (plus the 
> decimal point is lit up). I know that most people are obsessed with the 
> larger tubes, but I love the small tubes. The digits on this are particularly 
> sharp (no pun intended - it was salvaged from a Sharp calculator). I also 
> have a thing about utilizing the decimal points in those tubes that support 
> them. When I eventually get around to building a clock for these tubes, it 
> will definitely include support for both the thousands separator and the 
> decimal point:
> 
> 
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