RE: [neonixie-l] Rare B8971 Nixie tubes

[Michail Wilson]

Thanks Greg.Good to know that you’re hoarding them.   I would do the same.  
J

 

Michail 

 

 

From: 'Greg P' via neonixie-l [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 6:21 PM
To: neonixie-l
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Rare B8971 Nixie tubes

 

Michail,

 

Yes, I do.  Been waiting in the wings for someone to make a kit/clock.  At this 
time, not willing to part with any.

 



On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 4:07:40 PM UTC-4, M1 wrote:

Greg,

 

Still have a bunch of them?

 

Michail

 

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[mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com  ] On Behalf Of Greg P
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 6:50 AM
To: neonixie-l
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Rare B8971 Nixie tubes

 

I wish someone would make a clock or a kit for the 5971's.  I have a bunch of 
them I'd like to light up.

 

 

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Re: [neonixie-l] Rare B8971 Nixie tubes

['Greg P' via neonixie-l]

Hi Bill,

Looking for direct drive clock that can also generate words since these 
tubes are alphanumeric.  I have zero programming skills so hoping something 
will present itself.



On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 4:52:45 PM UTC-4, Bill Stanley wrote:
>
> Hi Greg;
>
> I have a ongoing clock design where I separate the CPU from the display. 
> The main CPU board uses a SiLabs 8051 class CPU with LOTS of features (some 
> might be considered a bit crazy).
> The CPU generates all voltages (the 170 is adjustable under firmware for 
> higher-voltage tubes. The cathode data is serial to the display drivers 
> (using HV5812PJ-G). This was so I was no locked into the
> 10 cathode Nixie format, I can do Panaplex, LEDs, of 14 segment British 
> Flag displays, just a Small Matter of Programming.
>
> For display, I have the small display board with 9 IN-14 + IN 19 tubes 
> with QTC sockets. I have the large display for 6 Z5600M Nixie + 3 IN-15 or 
> IN12+1N15. I also have a display Hub that breaks out the display
> signals to 3 (H/M/S) separate 20 pin ribbon that connects to a 3 tube 
> display cluster.
>
> I used the basic design to create a "Back to the Future" time console for 
> a friend where the date is displayed with 14 segment LEDs
>
> Were you just looking for a clock (or something more)?
>
>
>   -Newer Bill-
>
>
> On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 6:49:32 AM UTC-7, Greg P wrote:
>>
>> I wish someone would make a clock or a kit for the 5971's.  I have a 
>> bunch of them I'd like to light up.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 6:15:57 PM UTC-4, Pramanicin wrote:
>>>
>>> The 5971’s are cute too... 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>>
>>> > On Oct 12, 2018, at 15:12, Michail Wilson  wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > Those are nice. 
>>> > 
>>> > I didn't know they even existed. 
>>> > 
>>> > Are you sure NOS 7971?  Seems that NOS doesn't exist for those. 
>>> > 
>>> > Anyway, I think you're be happier with the 7971 even if not NOS. 
>>> > 
>>> > Michail 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > -Original Message- 
>>> > From: neoni...@googlegroups.com [mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Kevin A. 
>>> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 1:01 PM 
>>> > To: neonixie-l 
>>> > Subject: [neonixie-l] Rare B8971 Nixie tubes 
>>> > 
>>> > Hey guys, 
>>> > 
>>> > Just thought I'd share some pictures of my latest purchase; six 
>>> Burroughs B8971 tubes. These babies are in great shape, and as far as I can 
>>> tell are quite rare. 
>>> > 
>>> > I'm going to trade 1:1 with a buddy of mine for some NOS 7971s. I 
>>> originally wanted the bigger tube, even though they are more common. These 
>>> are really for a guy who has it all and craves the rarity, aka my pal. 
>>> > 
>>> > Anyways, thought I'd snap some pictures and show them here before I 
>>> trade. Take a look: 
>>> > 
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Re: [neonixie-l] Rare B8971 Nixie tubes

['Greg P' via neonixie-l]

Michail,

Yes, I do.  Been waiting in the wings for someone to make a kit/clock.  At 
this time, not willing to part with any.



On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 4:07:40 PM UTC-4, M1 wrote:
>
> Greg,
>
>  
>
> Still have a bunch of them?
>
>  
>
> Michail
>
>  
>
> *From:* neoni...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> neoni...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Greg P
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 13, 2018 6:50 AM
> *To:* neonixie-l
> *Subject:* Re: [neonixie-l] Rare B8971 Nixie tubes
>
>  
>
> I wish someone would make a clock or a kit for the 5971's.  I have a bunch 
> of them I'd like to light up.
>
>  
>
>
>
>

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[neonixie-l] Presented for your consideration...The BRS Clock

[Bill Stanley]

 

 

I promised to post some details on my current Nixie nightmare. I present:


The BRS Clock

The current version of the clock is in 2 (or more) PCBs. This was done to 
allow changes to the display type by only either changing the display board 
or the display cluster boards. The board can be used with Nixie tubes (10 
cathode or 14 cathode “British Flag” types), LEDs, possibly VF or other.


The CPU board:

A pair of 16 pin headers on top of the CPU board connects it to the 
display. The CPU supplies 12V, 5V and 170V with the 170 able to be margined 
by the CPU. I2C connects “things” on the display to the CPU. The time data 
is sent in a serial format (clock+data) along with a transfer strobe to 
write the data to the tubes. For Nixie displays, the HV5812PJ-G chip does 
direct drive to the cathodes, there is no multiplexing. Additional signals 
include a room light sensor an 11 pins defined for control like decimal 
points, symbols and “pimp lights”.


The CPU is currently a Silicon Labs C8051F360


Time base. There a 4 possible time base sources for the clock. In 
increasing accuracy order:

The CPU time base: This is the worst but with some work can be trimmed up 
somewhat. If this is the only time base, the clock will lose time in a 
power failure.

AC line clock: The primary power source is 12V. It can be AC or DC. If the 
power source is 12V AC, the line frequency is sampled (50 or 60Hz detected) 
and used to run the clock. The AC line has good long term stability, much 
better than the CPU clock. As with the CPU clock, a power failure will 
reset the clock date/time.

DS3231S: This Maxim chip along with a coin cell has very good accuracy and 
will remember the date/time during a power failure.

GPS: An optional Trimble Lassen GPS receiver can be plugged onto the CPU 
board. It provides a very accurate 1PPS signal and UTC date/time for the 
highest accuracy. Other GPS receivers that support the NMEA sentence 
structure and a 1 PPS signal could also be used. The GPS has a battery 
backup to allow faster cold starts.


6 pushbuttons (plus reset) allow user setting of date, time and setup 
parameters. The parameters are saved in EEPROM so are available after a 
power-down. 1 button sets/unsets DST so the twice a year change is simple.


There are a number of connectors to plug in various external devices. They 
are

Indoor temperature/humidity: A small sensor will allow the display the 
indoor temperature and humidity every 5 minutes.

Outdoor temperature: A different small sensor will display the outdoor 
temperature at the same time as the indoor, if connected.

PIR/room light: A Passive IR motion sensor and room light level sensor will 
allow shutdown in darkness when no-one is around. The room light sensor can 
adjust the brightness of the pimp lights automatically.

MP3 player: A simple MP3 player is connected to play different sounds at 
different times. The current code plays the Westminster Chimes on the 
quarter hour and the hour count at the top of the hour. Many other things 
could be done.

Meter DAC: My friend wanted a “Steam Punk” look to the clock so we 
incorporated 3 D/A converters (12 bit accuracy) driven at a 1/10 second 
update rate with the H/M/S. He will use these to drive vintage large analog 
meters so the time will be read as analog.

Stopwatch: Another request was for a work clock that displayed a running 
stopwatch every 5 minutes. Three control switches are provided to 
start/stop/reset the stopwatch.


Displays

The displays are mounted on a daughter card plugged into the CPU. This 
allowed me to only modify the display to run with a number of different 
display types. The following information is for Nixi display tubes.


Tubes: Designed using the ‘QTC’ concept from pvelectronics in UK. This 
mounts the tube (solder or socket) on a small PCB that plugs into the 
display board with a 12 pin 0.1” connector. I have created adaptors for 
about 8 or so different tubes. New tubes are quick to create. The original 
used IN-14 + IN-19 tubes


Bottom lights: These lights shine thru the base of the tube thru a hole in 
the QTC board. I call these “pimp lights” and come in 2 flavors; a standard 
single RGB LED that cycles automatically thru multiple colors and a 
dedicated WS2812B RGB LED that is individually programmed with 256 levels 
of each color. The WS2812B is currently programmed to cycle thru colors 
once a minute (seconds), once an hour (minutes) and once a day (hours). For 
example, on the seconds, the color starts at 100% red at 00. The red drops 
and the green rises and a 1/10 second rate until at 20, the light is full 
green. Green then drops and blue comes up so that at 40, it is 100% blue. 
Blue then drops and red comes up so that at 00, we are back to 100% red. 
Pimp lights are lead zero blanked with the tubes, depending on the selected 
lead zero blanking (LZB) mode.


Symbols: If a compatible symbol tube exists, it is installed to the right 
of hours, minutes and 

[neonixie-l] Re: Odd but cool display

[Terry S]

Very easy to do with a 22V10 or similar. or even just  an eprom.

On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 10:23:49 AM UTC-5, gregebert wrote:
>
> Considering all of the interest this unique display has generated within 
> this group, has someone other than me thought about making a modern-day 
> clone ?
> I'd prefer NE-2 bulbs, but LEDs are much more efficient and easier to 
> drive. 
>
> The extra column of dots on the right-hand side really makes this an 
> original work of art, and as far as I can remember I've never seen this 
> exact type of display before.
>
> As much as I want to do this project "right now" I have to stay focused on 
> my current backlog.
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Rare B8971 Nixie tubes

[Bill Stanley]

Hi Greg;

I have a ongoing clock design where I separate the CPU from the display. 
The main CPU board uses a SiLabs 8051 class CPU with LOTS of features (some 
might be considered a bit crazy).
The CPU generates all voltages (the 170 is adjustable under firmware for 
higher-voltage tubes. The cathode data is serial to the display drivers 
(using HV5812PJ-G). This was so I was no locked into the
10 cathode Nixie format, I can do Panaplex, LEDs, of 14 segment British 
Flag displays, just a Small Matter of Programming.

For display, I have the small display board with 9 IN-14 + IN 19 tubes with 
QTC sockets. I have the large display for 6 Z5600M Nixie + 3 IN-15 or 
IN12+1N15. I also have a display Hub that breaks out the display
signals to 3 (H/M/S) separate 20 pin ribbon that connects to a 3 tube 
display cluster.

I used the basic design to create a "Back to the Future" time console for a 
friend where the date is displayed with 14 segment LEDs

Were you just looking for a clock (or something more)?


  -Newer Bill-


On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 6:49:32 AM UTC-7, Greg P wrote:
>
> I wish someone would make a clock or a kit for the 5971's.  I have a bunch 
> of them I'd like to light up.
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 6:15:57 PM UTC-4, Pramanicin wrote:
>>
>> The 5971’s are cute too... 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>
>> > On Oct 12, 2018, at 15:12, Michail Wilson  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Those are nice. 
>> > 
>> > I didn't know they even existed. 
>> > 
>> > Are you sure NOS 7971?  Seems that NOS doesn't exist for those. 
>> > 
>> > Anyway, I think you're be happier with the 7971 even if not NOS. 
>> > 
>> > Michail 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -Original Message- 
>> > From: neoni...@googlegroups.com [mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Kevin A. 
>> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 1:01 PM 
>> > To: neonixie-l 
>> > Subject: [neonixie-l] Rare B8971 Nixie tubes 
>> > 
>> > Hey guys, 
>> > 
>> > Just thought I'd share some pictures of my latest purchase; six 
>> Burroughs B8971 tubes. These babies are in great shape, and as far as I can 
>> tell are quite rare. 
>> > 
>> > I'm going to trade 1:1 with a buddy of mine for some NOS 7971s. I 
>> originally wanted the bigger tube, even though they are more common. These 
>> are really for a guy who has it all and craves the rarity, aka my pal. 
>> > 
>> > Anyways, thought I'd snap some pictures and show them here before I 
>> trade. Take a look: 
>> > 
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RE: [neonixie-l] Rare B8971 Nixie tubes

[Michail Wilson]

Greg,

 

Still have a bunch of them?

 

Michail

 

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg P
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 6:50 AM
To: neonixie-l
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Rare B8971 Nixie tubes

 

I wish someone would make a clock or a kit for the 5971's.  I have a bunch of 
them I'd like to light up.

 





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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Odd but cool display

['John Rehwinkel' via neonixie-l]

> I'd prefer NE-2 bulbs, but LEDs are much more efficient and easier to drive.

LEDs aren’t really much more efficient, especially if you already have an 
appropriate source of voltage to drive the NE-2s.

- John

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[neonixie-l] Re: Happy Father’s Day

[GastonP]

I don't know why but this one got under the radar...
A late Thanks! And the same to you if you are one of the mentioned group :)
   Gaston

On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 2:32:06 PM UTC-3, Pramanicin wrote:
>
> To all you neon obsessed dads out there, Happy Father’s Day. 
>
> Nick 
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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[neonixie-l] Re: Odd but cool display

[gregebert]

Considering all of the interest this unique display has generated within 
this group, has someone other than me thought about making a modern-day 
clone ?
I'd prefer NE-2 bulbs, but LEDs are much more efficient and easier to 
drive. 

The extra column of dots on the right-hand side really makes this an 
original work of art, and as far as I can remember I've never seen this 
exact type of display before.

As much as I want to do this project "right now" I have to stay focused on 
my current backlog.

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[neonixie-l] Re: Odd but cool display

[Tyler Bourne]

I almost had it!  Got sniped in the last couple seconds.

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