[neonixie-l] Lc-516 info?

[Medic main]

I am currently trying to figure out if the LC-516 is a long life tube, 
since the in-1 is not. I cannot fine a data sheet for it.

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Re: [neonixie-l] VFD filament drive

[Paul Andrews]

When I have time, I will try the driver at the link Martin gave (
http://www.nutsvolts.com/media-files/Forum-Articles/QA_201110.pdf), but 
without the transformer initially. As far as I can tell, the transformer is 
just to make the VFD drive isolated so you can pull it up above ground.

On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 4:37:56 PM UTC-4 Bill Notfaded wrote:

> I'm kinda in the same boat Paul... VFD's hasn't really been my thing but 
> figuring out how to drive some weird ones is a new hobby.  I love your 
> questions because it helps me figure out what I'm doing as well!
>
> Bill
>
> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 12:57:53 AM UTC-7 Tomasz Kowalczyk wrote:
>
>> Did you try simple PWM? I once tried it, but didn't leave it on for long 
>> time, so I can't tell if it shortens the tube life or not, but by simple 
>> logic it shouldn't. For most of the time the cathode will be at the same 
>> potential. Also it's a nice method of elevating the cathode potential above 
>> negative segment/grid voltage to get rid of faint glow of off segments.
>>
>> poniedziałek, 23 sierpnia 2021 o 20:19:58 UTC+2 gregebert napisał(a):
>>
>>> Transformers are not ideal, so even with zero load, they consume  
>>> inductive current. Most of the energy gets returned to the AC line, but 
>>> some of it gets dissipated as heat (winding resistance, and hysteresis). 
>>> This is why unloaded wall transformers still get slightly warm.
>>>
>>> You can measure the magnetizing current with multimeter.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Be warned that large transformers will have a startup surge current; I 
>>> have an isolation transformer in my workshop that can supply 20A/120VAC. It 
>>> has dual primaries, so I can run it from 120V or 240V. If I try to run it 
>>> from 120V, even with no load, it almost always pops the 20A breaker for my 
>>> workbench. So, I use 240V and even then I can hear the wires in the conduit 
>>> vibrate for an instant when it's energized. 
>>>
>>> If you are worried about blowing the fuse in your multimeter when 
>>> measuring the magnetizing current, it's good practice to use a variac to 
>>> increase the line voltage starting from 0 volts into your transformer.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 8:49:01 AM UTC-7 Paul Andrews wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Martin,

 I'm OK with using a transformer. I would prefer something off the 
 shelf, but perhaps I should just wind my own anyway. Seems like a useful 
 skill to have.

 As with a lot of these things, I find that I have a lot of questions. 
 For example, this statement:

 "The transformer is 1:1, center-tapped. Since the output is to be 300 
 mA max, the magnetizing current at the input should be no more than 30 mA. 
 I will try 10 mA"

 First of all, how does he get a 10:1 ratio of output current to 
 'maximum magnetizing current'. Second, what is 'magnetizing current', does 
 he just mean current through the primary?

 Then he introduces terms in equations without defining them - they are 
 probably obvious to the initiated (which I am not unfortunately). For 
 example, Xl in  L = Xl/2/PI/F and Al in  N = (L*1e6/Al)^.5. Then having 
 calculated the required number of turns, he just ignores that and goes 
 with 
 something much larger.

 On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 5:51:17 PM UTC-4 Dekatron42 wrote:

> There is a nice article in NutsVolts magazine: 
> http://www.nutsvolts.com/media-files/Forum-Articles/QA_201110.pdf 
> where a powerful driver is shown, needs a small transformer but seems to 
> be 
> well designed with equations for calculations of the transformer.
>
> /Martin
>
> On Friday, 20 August 2021 at 21:37:46 UTC+2 Hannah Mishin wrote:
>
>> Theres a section on filament driving in my blog here:
>>
>> https://hannahmishin.com/blog/2017/4/30/russian-tri-color-vfd-indicator-clock
>>
>> *Hannah Mishin*
>> *  She/her/hers*
>> 
>>
>> *hannahmishin.com* 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 1:48 PM Toby Thain  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-08-20 12:58 p.m., Paul Andrews wrote:
>>> > I'm designing a clock for DT-1704 tubes and am stumbling at the 
>>> filament
>>> > drive stage. They want 1.6V. I want to power it from 5VDC. ...
>>> > 
>>>
>>> FWIW I've used LM2575 1A adjustable step down for DC filament 
>>> voltages
>>> in that range.
>>>
>>> --Toby
>>>
>>>
>>> > ...
>>> > 
>>> > So I would appreciate any suggestions for what direction I should 
>>> take
>>> > here. I have too many options and no clear criteria.
>>> > 
>>> > -- 
>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>>> > Groups 

Re: [neonixie-l] Nixie Nirvana

[Jeffry Portell]

Hi Nick,

I've been lurking in this group since its creation.  Most of the discussion
is a bit beyond me but interesting nonetheless.  Some members were asking
where the pictures were- I was referring to the pictures listed on the
Facebook group. I have not posted any pictures anywhere. I'm about halfway
through sorting tubes into bins, so that all alike types are together.
Burroughs has the lead as far as variety with National right behind.Valvo
and Amperex are well represented. This coming weekend I should be able to
finish sorting. I'll post some pictures when the sorting is finished. Thank
you to all who have sent encouraging words. I was concerned that some folks
would be out of joint because I went in and got everything. If you were
planning on going to Huntsville for nixies this weekend I apologize. There
were some meters left that someone might be interested in. I'm referring to
the photos on the Facebook page (Harpers Home Estate Sales). The collection
came from Michael Seaton. He had a few posts here and his name was in his
email address.

Jeffry

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 10:30 PM Nicholas Stock  wrote:

> Hi Jeffry, welcome to the group!!!
>
> As a long time Nixie fan, clock builder, collector etc, I applaud you for
> keeping the treasure trove together. I noted a lot of highly sought after
> goodies in the photos (including a rather *excessive* number of old
> Axiris VU meters!). As a fellow nixie/neon nutcase and one of the
> moderators of the group, let me know if there's anything I(we) can do to
> help you with info, pricing etcthere are a lot of really knowledgeable
> and thoughtful folks on this list and whilst a lot of us are probably
> *agog* at the collection, deep-down we're happy that it is all in one
> place and with someone who knows its value (not just monetarily).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nick
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 6:16 PM Audrey  wrote:
>
>> You should give them to me :)
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:14 PM Jeffry Portell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes he and I are the same age. I need to think about where all this
>>> should go in the event of my demise.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 3:27 PM Jeff Walton  wrote:
>>>
 Nice to hear that someone from the group was able to make the trip.
 You are fortunate to have your hands on such a treasure trove of
 antiquities!  Looking forward to seeing photos of the collection.
 Eventually we all have collections that will change hands, some sooner than
 others...


 *Jeff *


  Original message 
 From: Jeffry P 
 Date: 8/23/21 11:15 AM (GMT-06:00)
 To: neonixie-l 
 Subject: [neonixie-l] Nixie Nirvana

 Good morning to all!


 I joined the original Neonixie-l group on Yahoo many years ago when
 Raymond W. was moderator. I had the privilege of paying him $100+ for a
 ‘Four Letter Word’ kit that never arrived. Raymond was good at making
 excuses ( waiting for parts, illness, earthquakes, no reliable help, etc.)
 and always promised that no matter what I would get a kit. Meanwhile, the
 time had run out for a refund. The (4) B7971’s were gathering dust while
 waiting to broadcast their message as tame, colorful, or indecent per your
 preferences! I think there was something in there about nuns blushing as
 well. I still get a twinge while checking my postal mailbox and recalling
 the 2 years of looking for a package from ‘Indonesia’.

  R.W took a lot of money from people and didn’t deliver. I believe many
 of his unfortunate customers were, and still are, responsible for the
 renewed interest in using nixie tubes. Kits were being designed by
 hobbyists and enterprising individuals found and marketed tubes  that could
 be used to build clocks. I had bought the (4)B7971’s for my FLW on eBay in
 anticipation of the kit arrival.

 I love clocks-flip clocks, nixies, and electronic types especially.
 Online auctions made access to these clocks easy and somewhat affordable. I
 ordered another kit from a seller on eBay named Pete Hand. I actually
 received the kit, built it, and I was now the proud owner of a Four
 -Letter- Word. I’ve owned quite a few four letter words in my lifetime but
 once they fall out of your mouth…..

 I bought and built another kit and was hooked on nixies. I watched
 prices rise for certain tubes and bought them and others as my budget would
 allow. The intention was to make clocks with them when I retired. I bought
 a few kits that featured newer display types and learned about SMD’s
 through trial and error.

 This past weekend I made a trip to Madison Alabama which is a suburb of
 Huntsville AL. NASA and it’s supporting industries (Northrup, Intergraph,
 Boeing, Dynetics, etc.) put Huntsville on the map as a hub for technical
 and engineering products and services. The area has computer scientists,
 

Re: [neonixie-l] VFD filament drive

[Bill Notfaded]

I also have some  DT-1704 so this is great!  I have two clocks that use 
them as well.

Bill

On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 1:37:56 PM UTC-7 Bill Notfaded wrote:

> I'm kinda in the same boat Paul... VFD's hasn't really been my thing but 
> figuring out how to drive some weird ones is a new hobby.  I love your 
> questions because it helps me figure out what I'm doing as well!
>
> Bill
>
> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 12:57:53 AM UTC-7 Tomasz Kowalczyk wrote:
>
>> Did you try simple PWM? I once tried it, but didn't leave it on for long 
>> time, so I can't tell if it shortens the tube life or not, but by simple 
>> logic it shouldn't. For most of the time the cathode will be at the same 
>> potential. Also it's a nice method of elevating the cathode potential above 
>> negative segment/grid voltage to get rid of faint glow of off segments.
>>
>> poniedziałek, 23 sierpnia 2021 o 20:19:58 UTC+2 gregebert napisał(a):
>>
>>> Transformers are not ideal, so even with zero load, they consume  
>>> inductive current. Most of the energy gets returned to the AC line, but 
>>> some of it gets dissipated as heat (winding resistance, and hysteresis). 
>>> This is why unloaded wall transformers still get slightly warm.
>>>
>>> You can measure the magnetizing current with multimeter.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Be warned that large transformers will have a startup surge current; I 
>>> have an isolation transformer in my workshop that can supply 20A/120VAC. It 
>>> has dual primaries, so I can run it from 120V or 240V. If I try to run it 
>>> from 120V, even with no load, it almost always pops the 20A breaker for my 
>>> workbench. So, I use 240V and even then I can hear the wires in the conduit 
>>> vibrate for an instant when it's energized. 
>>>
>>> If you are worried about blowing the fuse in your multimeter when 
>>> measuring the magnetizing current, it's good practice to use a variac to 
>>> increase the line voltage starting from 0 volts into your transformer.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 8:49:01 AM UTC-7 Paul Andrews wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Martin,

 I'm OK with using a transformer. I would prefer something off the 
 shelf, but perhaps I should just wind my own anyway. Seems like a useful 
 skill to have.

 As with a lot of these things, I find that I have a lot of questions. 
 For example, this statement:

 "The transformer is 1:1, center-tapped. Since the output is to be 300 
 mA max, the magnetizing current at the input should be no more than 30 mA. 
 I will try 10 mA"

 First of all, how does he get a 10:1 ratio of output current to 
 'maximum magnetizing current'. Second, what is 'magnetizing current', does 
 he just mean current through the primary?

 Then he introduces terms in equations without defining them - they are 
 probably obvious to the initiated (which I am not unfortunately). For 
 example, Xl in  L = Xl/2/PI/F and Al in  N = (L*1e6/Al)^.5. Then having 
 calculated the required number of turns, he just ignores that and goes 
 with 
 something much larger.

 On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 5:51:17 PM UTC-4 Dekatron42 wrote:

> There is a nice article in NutsVolts magazine: 
> http://www.nutsvolts.com/media-files/Forum-Articles/QA_201110.pdf 
> where a powerful driver is shown, needs a small transformer but seems to 
> be 
> well designed with equations for calculations of the transformer.
>
> /Martin
>
> On Friday, 20 August 2021 at 21:37:46 UTC+2 Hannah Mishin wrote:
>
>> Theres a section on filament driving in my blog here:
>>
>> https://hannahmishin.com/blog/2017/4/30/russian-tri-color-vfd-indicator-clock
>>
>> *Hannah Mishin*
>> *  She/her/hers*
>> 
>>
>> *hannahmishin.com* 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 1:48 PM Toby Thain  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-08-20 12:58 p.m., Paul Andrews wrote:
>>> > I'm designing a clock for DT-1704 tubes and am stumbling at the 
>>> filament
>>> > drive stage. They want 1.6V. I want to power it from 5VDC. ...
>>> > 
>>>
>>> FWIW I've used LM2575 1A adjustable step down for DC filament 
>>> voltages
>>> in that range.
>>>
>>> --Toby
>>>
>>>
>>> > ...
>>> > 
>>> > So I would appreciate any suggestions for what direction I should 
>>> take
>>> > here. I have too many options and no clear criteria.
>>> > 
>>> > -- 
>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>>> > Groups "neonixie-l" group.
>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, 
>>> send
>>> > an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com
>>> > 

Re: [neonixie-l] VFD filament drive

[Bill Notfaded]

I'm kinda in the same boat Paul... VFD's hasn't really been my thing but 
figuring out how to drive some weird ones is a new hobby.  I love your 
questions because it helps me figure out what I'm doing as well!

Bill

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 12:57:53 AM UTC-7 Tomasz Kowalczyk wrote:

> Did you try simple PWM? I once tried it, but didn't leave it on for long 
> time, so I can't tell if it shortens the tube life or not, but by simple 
> logic it shouldn't. For most of the time the cathode will be at the same 
> potential. Also it's a nice method of elevating the cathode potential above 
> negative segment/grid voltage to get rid of faint glow of off segments.
>
> poniedziałek, 23 sierpnia 2021 o 20:19:58 UTC+2 gregebert napisał(a):
>
>> Transformers are not ideal, so even with zero load, they consume  
>> inductive current. Most of the energy gets returned to the AC line, but 
>> some of it gets dissipated as heat (winding resistance, and hysteresis). 
>> This is why unloaded wall transformers still get slightly warm.
>>
>> You can measure the magnetizing current with multimeter.
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Be warned that large transformers will have a startup surge current; I 
>> have an isolation transformer in my workshop that can supply 20A/120VAC. It 
>> has dual primaries, so I can run it from 120V or 240V. If I try to run it 
>> from 120V, even with no load, it almost always pops the 20A breaker for my 
>> workbench. So, I use 240V and even then I can hear the wires in the conduit 
>> vibrate for an instant when it's energized. 
>>
>> If you are worried about blowing the fuse in your multimeter when 
>> measuring the magnetizing current, it's good practice to use a variac to 
>> increase the line voltage starting from 0 volts into your transformer.
>>
>> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 8:49:01 AM UTC-7 Paul Andrews wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Martin,
>>>
>>> I'm OK with using a transformer. I would prefer something off the shelf, 
>>> but perhaps I should just wind my own anyway. Seems like a useful skill to 
>>> have.
>>>
>>> As with a lot of these things, I find that I have a lot of questions. 
>>> For example, this statement:
>>>
>>> "The transformer is 1:1, center-tapped. Since the output is to be 300 mA 
>>> max, the magnetizing current at the input should be no more than 30 mA. I 
>>> will try 10 mA"
>>>
>>> First of all, how does he get a 10:1 ratio of output current to 'maximum 
>>> magnetizing current'. Second, what is 'magnetizing current', does he just 
>>> mean current through the primary?
>>>
>>> Then he introduces terms in equations without defining them - they are 
>>> probably obvious to the initiated (which I am not unfortunately). For 
>>> example, Xl in  L = Xl/2/PI/F and Al in  N = (L*1e6/Al)^.5. Then having 
>>> calculated the required number of turns, he just ignores that and goes with 
>>> something much larger.
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 5:51:17 PM UTC-4 Dekatron42 wrote:
>>>
 There is a nice article in NutsVolts magazine: 
 http://www.nutsvolts.com/media-files/Forum-Articles/QA_201110.pdf 
 where a powerful driver is shown, needs a small transformer but seems to 
 be 
 well designed with equations for calculations of the transformer.

 /Martin

 On Friday, 20 August 2021 at 21:37:46 UTC+2 Hannah Mishin wrote:

> Theres a section on filament driving in my blog here:
>
> https://hannahmishin.com/blog/2017/4/30/russian-tri-color-vfd-indicator-clock
>
> *Hannah Mishin*
> *  She/her/hers*
> 
>
> *hannahmishin.com* 
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 1:48 PM Toby Thain  
> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-08-20 12:58 p.m., Paul Andrews wrote:
>> > I'm designing a clock for DT-1704 tubes and am stumbling at the 
>> filament
>> > drive stage. They want 1.6V. I want to power it from 5VDC. ...
>> > 
>>
>> FWIW I've used LM2575 1A adjustable step down for DC filament voltages
>> in that range.
>>
>> --Toby
>>
>>
>> > ...
>> > 
>> > So I would appreciate any suggestions for what direction I should 
>> take
>> > here. I have too many options and no clear criteria.
>> > 
>> > -- 
>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>> > Groups "neonixie-l" group.
>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, 
>> send
>> > an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com
>> > .
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>> > 
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>> > <
>> 

Re: [neonixie-l] Nixie Nirvana

[Audrey]

That tube is simply amazing

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 4:35 PM Bill Notfaded  wrote:

> 1$ for B-7971 is great deal!  I got one of these for 60$ not long ago NIB
> with great condition box.  Big tube with a decimal point!  NL-934.
> https://www.nixies.us/bwg_gallery/nl934/
>
> Bill
>
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 4:36:20 AM UTC-7 W1SBY wrote:
>
>> I (hope) I have a Pete Hand FLW manual.
>>
>> A few years ago I acquired a bare board that was an older version of the
>> FLW. After some inquiries Pete identified it as his and offered to send me
>> an updated board and kit of components.
>> I have not put the kit together yet, we were looking to move at the time
>> and I’ve had other priorities since I did move.
>>
>> I’ll poke around and see if I printed the manual and put it in the box
>> with the rest.
>>
>> As an aside: I managed to get a full set of B7951 tubes. The first pair
>> cost me $100, the next pair was close to $400.
>> At a ham fest last weekend I saw one sell for $1.00!
>>
>> Allen Wisbey, W1SBY
>>
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2021, at 6:03 AM, Bill Notfaded  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> I don't see any pictures either?  I too have a Pete Hand FLW clock and I
>> bought it from Pete's relatives.  Does anyone have the Pete Hand FLW
>> manual?  It used to be on his website but that's sadly gone like him.  I
>> remember Raymond and also the geek clock!
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Bill
>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:25:54 PM UTC-7 Dekatron42 wrote:
>>
>>> Nice, it is a gold mine, especially since there is documentation as that
>>> is harder to come by than actual Nixies (except for a very few rare ones)
>>> in my opinion.
>>>
>>> However I can't see any photos, is there a link to them or where are
>>> they?
>>>
>>> /Martin
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 25 August 2021 at 05:30:01 UTC+2 Pramanicin wrote:
>>>
 Hi Jeffry, welcome to the group!!!

 As a long time Nixie fan, clock builder, collector etc, I applaud you
 for keeping the treasure trove together. I noted a lot of highly sought
 after goodies in the photos (including a rather *excessive* number of
 old Axiris VU meters!). As a fellow nixie/neon nutcase and one of the
 moderators of the group, let me know if there's anything I(we) can do to
 help you with info, pricing etcthere are a lot of really knowledgeable
 and thoughtful folks on this list and whilst a lot of us are probably
 *agog* at the collection, deep-down we're happy that it is all in one
 place and with someone who knows its value (not just monetarily).

 Cheers,

 Nick

 On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 6:16 PM Audrey  wrote:

> You should give them to me :)
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:14 PM Jeffry Portell 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes he and I are the same age. I need to think about where all this
>> should go in the event of my demise.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 3:27 PM Jeff Walton  wrote:
>>
>>> Nice to hear that someone from the group was able to make the trip.
>>> You are fortunate to have your hands on such a treasure trove of
>>> antiquities!  Looking forward to seeing photos of the collection.
>>> Eventually we all have collections that will change hands, some sooner 
>>> than
>>> others...
>>>
>>>
>>> *Jeff *
>>>
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Jeffry P 
>>> Date: 8/23/21 11:15 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: neonixie-l 
>>> Subject: [neonixie-l] Nixie Nirvana
>>>
>>> Good morning to all!
>>>
>>>
>>> I joined the original Neonixie-l group on Yahoo many years ago when
>>> Raymond W. was moderator. I had the privilege of paying him $100+ for a
>>> ‘Four Letter Word’ kit that never arrived. Raymond was good at making
>>> excuses ( waiting for parts, illness, earthquakes, no reliable help, 
>>> etc.)
>>> and always promised that no matter what I would get a kit. Meanwhile, 
>>> the
>>> time had run out for a refund. The (4) B7971’s were gathering dust while
>>> waiting to broadcast their message as tame, colorful, or indecent per 
>>> your
>>> preferences! I think there was something in there about nuns blushing as
>>> well. I still get a twinge while checking my postal mailbox and 
>>> recalling
>>> the 2 years of looking for a package from ‘Indonesia’.
>>>
>>>  R.W took a lot of money from people and didn’t deliver. I believe
>>> many of his unfortunate customers were, and still are, responsible for 
>>> the
>>> renewed interest in using nixie tubes. Kits were being designed by
>>> hobbyists and enterprising individuals found and marketed tubes  that 
>>> could
>>> be used to build clocks. I had bought the (4)B7971’s for my FLW on eBay 
>>> in
>>> anticipation of the kit arrival.
>>>
>>> I love clocks-flip clocks, nixies, and electronic types especially.
>>> Online auctions made access to these 

Re: [neonixie-l] Nixie Nirvana

[Bill Notfaded]

1$ for B-7971 is great deal!  I got one of these for 60$ not long ago NIB 
with great condition box.  Big tube with a decimal point!  NL-934.
https://www.nixies.us/bwg_gallery/nl934/

Bill

On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 4:36:20 AM UTC-7 W1SBY wrote:

> I (hope) I have a Pete Hand FLW manual.
>
> A few years ago I acquired a bare board that was an older version of the 
> FLW. After some inquiries Pete identified it as his and offered to send me 
> an updated board and kit of components. 
> I have not put the kit together yet, we were looking to move at the time 
> and I’ve had other priorities since I did move.
>
> I’ll poke around and see if I printed the manual and put it in the box 
> with the rest.
>
> As an aside: I managed to get a full set of B7951 tubes. The first pair 
> cost me $100, the next pair was close to $400. 
> At a ham fest last weekend I saw one sell for $1.00! 
>
> Allen Wisbey, W1SBY
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2021, at 6:03 AM, Bill Notfaded  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> I don't see any pictures either?  I too have a Pete Hand FLW clock and I 
> bought it from Pete's relatives.  Does anyone have the Pete Hand FLW 
> manual?  It used to be on his website but that's sadly gone like him.  I 
> remember Raymond and also the geek clock!
>
> Best Regards,
>   
> Bill
> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:25:54 PM UTC-7 Dekatron42 wrote:
>
>> Nice, it is a gold mine, especially since there is documentation as that 
>> is harder to come by than actual Nixies (except for a very few rare ones) 
>> in my opinion.
>>
>> However I can't see any photos, is there a link to them or where are they?
>>
>> /Martin
>>
>> On Wednesday, 25 August 2021 at 05:30:01 UTC+2 Pramanicin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jeffry, welcome to the group!!!
>>>
>>> As a long time Nixie fan, clock builder, collector etc, I applaud you 
>>> for keeping the treasure trove together. I noted a lot of highly sought 
>>> after goodies in the photos (including a rather *excessive* number of 
>>> old Axiris VU meters!). As a fellow nixie/neon nutcase and one of the 
>>> moderators of the group, let me know if there's anything I(we) can do to 
>>> help you with info, pricing etcthere are a lot of really knowledgeable 
>>> and thoughtful folks on this list and whilst a lot of us are probably 
>>> *agog* at the collection, deep-down we're happy that it is all in one 
>>> place and with someone who knows its value (not just monetarily).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 6:16 PM Audrey  wrote:
>>>
 You should give them to me :)

 On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:14 PM Jeffry Portell  
 wrote:

> Yes he and I are the same age. I need to think about where all this 
> should go in the event of my demise.
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 3:27 PM Jeff Walton  wrote:
>
>> Nice to hear that someone from the group was able to make the trip.  
>> You are fortunate to have your hands on such a treasure trove of 
>> antiquities!  Looking forward to seeing photos of the collection.  
>> Eventually we all have collections that will change hands, some sooner 
>> than 
>> others... 
>>
>>
>> *Jeff *
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Jeffry P  
>> Date: 8/23/21 11:15 AM (GMT-06:00) 
>> To: neonixie-l  
>> Subject: [neonixie-l] Nixie Nirvana 
>>
>> Good morning to all!
>>
>>
>> I joined the original Neonixie-l group on Yahoo many years ago when 
>> Raymond W. was moderator. I had the privilege of paying him $100+ for a 
>> ‘Four Letter Word’ kit that never arrived. Raymond was good at making 
>> excuses ( waiting for parts, illness, earthquakes, no reliable help, 
>> etc.) 
>> and always promised that no matter what I would get a kit. Meanwhile, 
>> the 
>> time had run out for a refund. The (4) B7971’s were gathering dust while 
>> waiting to broadcast their message as tame, colorful, or indecent per 
>> your 
>> preferences! I think there was something in there about nuns blushing as 
>> well. I still get a twinge while checking my postal mailbox and 
>> recalling 
>> the 2 years of looking for a package from ‘Indonesia’.
>>
>>  R.W took a lot of money from people and didn’t deliver. I believe 
>> many of his unfortunate customers were, and still are, responsible for 
>> the 
>> renewed interest in using nixie tubes. Kits were being designed by 
>> hobbyists and enterprising individuals found and marketed tubes  that 
>> could 
>> be used to build clocks. I had bought the (4)B7971’s for my FLW on eBay 
>> in 
>> anticipation of the kit arrival. 
>>
>> I love clocks-flip clocks, nixies, and electronic types especially. 
>> Online auctions made access to these clocks easy and somewhat 
>> affordable. I 
>> ordered another kit from a seller on eBay named Pete Hand. I actually 
>> received the kit, built it, and I 

Re: [neonixie-l] Nixie Nirvana

[Allen]

I (hope) I have a Pete Hand FLW manual.

A few years ago I acquired a bare board that was an older version of the FLW. 
After some inquiries Pete identified it as his and offered to send me an 
updated board and kit of components. 
I have not put the kit together yet, we were looking to move at the time and 
I’ve had other priorities since I did move.

I’ll poke around and see if I printed the manual and put it in the box with the 
rest.

As an aside: I managed to get a full set of B7951 tubes. The first pair cost me 
$100, the next pair was close to $400. 
At a ham fest last weekend I saw one sell for $1.00! 

Allen Wisbey, W1SBY


> On Aug 25, 2021, at 6:03 AM, Bill Notfaded  wrote:
> 
> 
> I don't see any pictures either?  I too have a Pete Hand FLW clock and I 
> bought it from Pete's relatives.  Does anyone have the Pete Hand FLW manual?  
> It used to be on his website but that's sadly gone like him.  I remember 
> Raymond and also the geek clock!
> 
> Best Regards,
>   
> Bill
>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:25:54 PM UTC-7 Dekatron42 wrote:
>> Nice, it is a gold mine, especially since there is documentation as that is 
>> harder to come by than actual Nixies (except for a very few rare ones) in my 
>> opinion.
>> 
>> However I can't see any photos, is there a link to them or where are they?
>> 
>> /Martin
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, 25 August 2021 at 05:30:01 UTC+2 Pramanicin wrote:
>>> Hi Jeffry, welcome to the group!!!
>>> 
>>> As a long time Nixie fan, clock builder, collector etc, I applaud you for 
>>> keeping the treasure trove together. I noted a lot of highly sought after 
>>> goodies in the photos (including a rather excessive number of old Axiris VU 
>>> meters!). As a fellow nixie/neon nutcase and one of the moderators of the 
>>> group, let me know if there's anything I(we) can do to help you with info, 
>>> pricing etcthere are a lot of really knowledgeable and thoughtful folks 
>>> on this list and whilst a lot of us are probably agog at the collection, 
>>> deep-down we're happy that it is all in one place and with someone who 
>>> knows its value (not just monetarily).
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Nick
>>> 
 On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 6:16 PM Audrey  wrote:
 You should give them to me :)
 
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:14 PM Jeffry Portell  
> wrote:
> Yes he and I are the same age. I need to think about where all this 
> should go in the event of my demise.
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 3:27 PM Jeff Walton  wrote:
>> Nice to hear that someone from the group was able to make the trip.  You 
>> are fortunate to have your hands on such a treasure trove of 
>> antiquities!  Looking forward to seeing photos of the collection.  
>> Eventually we all have collections that will change hands, some sooner 
>> than others... 
>> 
>> 
>> Jeff 
>> 
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Jeffry P 
>> Date: 8/23/21 11:15 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: neonixie-l 
>> Subject: [neonixie-l] Nixie Nirvana
>> 
>> Good morning to all!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I joined the original Neonixie-l group on Yahoo many years ago when 
>> Raymond W. was moderator. I had the privilege of paying him $100+ for a 
>> ‘Four Letter Word’ kit that never arrived. Raymond was good at making 
>> excuses ( waiting for parts, illness, earthquakes, no reliable help, 
>> etc.) and always promised that no matter what I would get a kit. 
>> Meanwhile, the time had run out for a refund. The (4) B7971’s were 
>> gathering dust while waiting to broadcast their message as tame, 
>> colorful, or indecent per your preferences! I think there was something 
>> in there about nuns blushing as well. I still get a twinge while 
>> checking my postal mailbox and recalling the 2 years of looking for a 
>> package from ‘Indonesia’.
>> 
>>  R.W took a lot of money from people and didn’t deliver. I believe many 
>> of his unfortunate customers were, and still are, responsible for the 
>> renewed interest in using nixie tubes. Kits were being designed by 
>> hobbyists and enterprising individuals found and marketed tubes  that 
>> could be used to build clocks. I had bought the (4)B7971’s for my FLW on 
>> eBay in anticipation of the kit arrival. 
>> 
>> I love clocks-flip clocks, nixies, and electronic types especially. 
>> Online auctions made access to these clocks easy and somewhat 
>> affordable. I ordered another kit from a seller on eBay named Pete Hand. 
>> I actually received the kit, built it, and I was now the proud owner of 
>> a Four -Letter- Word. I’ve owned quite a few four letter words in my 
>> lifetime but once they fall out of your mouth…..
>> 
>> I bought and built another kit and was hooked on nixies. I watched 
>> prices rise for certain tubes and bought them and others as my budget 
>> would allow. The 

Re: [neonixie-l] Nixie Nirvana

[Bill Notfaded]

I don't see any pictures either?  I too have a Pete Hand FLW clock and I 
bought it from Pete's relatives.  Does anyone have the Pete Hand FLW 
manual?  It used to be on his website but that's sadly gone like him.  I 
remember Raymond and also the geek clock!

Best Regards,
  
Bill
On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:25:54 PM UTC-7 Dekatron42 wrote:

> Nice, it is a gold mine, especially since there is documentation as that 
> is harder to come by than actual Nixies (except for a very few rare ones) 
> in my opinion.
>
> However I can't see any photos, is there a link to them or where are they?
>
> /Martin
>
> On Wednesday, 25 August 2021 at 05:30:01 UTC+2 Pramanicin wrote:
>
>> Hi Jeffry, welcome to the group!!!
>>
>> As a long time Nixie fan, clock builder, collector etc, I applaud you for 
>> keeping the treasure trove together. I noted a lot of highly sought after 
>> goodies in the photos (including a rather *excessive* number of old 
>> Axiris VU meters!). As a fellow nixie/neon nutcase and one of the 
>> moderators of the group, let me know if there's anything I(we) can do to 
>> help you with info, pricing etcthere are a lot of really knowledgeable 
>> and thoughtful folks on this list and whilst a lot of us are probably 
>> *agog* at the collection, deep-down we're happy that it is all in one 
>> place and with someone who knows its value (not just monetarily).
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 6:16 PM Audrey  wrote:
>>
>>> You should give them to me :)
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:14 PM Jeffry Portell  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes he and I are the same age. I need to think about where all this 
 should go in the event of my demise.

 On Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 3:27 PM Jeff Walton  wrote:

> Nice to hear that someone from the group was able to make the trip.  
> You are fortunate to have your hands on such a treasure trove of 
> antiquities!  Looking forward to seeing photos of the collection.  
> Eventually we all have collections that will change hands, some sooner 
> than 
> others... 
>
>
> *Jeff *
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Jeffry P  
> Date: 8/23/21 11:15 AM (GMT-06:00) 
> To: neonixie-l  
> Subject: [neonixie-l] Nixie Nirvana 
>
> Good morning to all!
>
>
> I joined the original Neonixie-l group on Yahoo many years ago when 
> Raymond W. was moderator. I had the privilege of paying him $100+ for a 
> ‘Four Letter Word’ kit that never arrived. Raymond was good at making 
> excuses ( waiting for parts, illness, earthquakes, no reliable help, 
> etc.) 
> and always promised that no matter what I would get a kit. Meanwhile, the 
> time had run out for a refund. The (4) B7971’s were gathering dust while 
> waiting to broadcast their message as tame, colorful, or indecent per 
> your 
> preferences! I think there was something in there about nuns blushing as 
> well. I still get a twinge while checking my postal mailbox and recalling 
> the 2 years of looking for a package from ‘Indonesia’.
>
>  R.W took a lot of money from people and didn’t deliver. I believe 
> many of his unfortunate customers were, and still are, responsible for 
> the 
> renewed interest in using nixie tubes. Kits were being designed by 
> hobbyists and enterprising individuals found and marketed tubes  that 
> could 
> be used to build clocks. I had bought the (4)B7971’s for my FLW on eBay 
> in 
> anticipation of the kit arrival. 
>
> I love clocks-flip clocks, nixies, and electronic types especially. 
> Online auctions made access to these clocks easy and somewhat affordable. 
> I 
> ordered another kit from a seller on eBay named Pete Hand. I actually 
> received the kit, built it, and I was now the proud owner of a Four 
> -Letter- Word. I’ve owned quite a few four letter words in my lifetime 
> but 
> once they fall out of your mouth…..
>
> I bought and built another kit and was hooked on nixies. I watched 
> prices rise for certain tubes and bought them and others as my budget 
> would 
> allow. The intention was to make clocks with them when I retired. I 
> bought 
> a few kits that featured newer display types and learned about SMD’s 
> through trial and error.
>
> This past weekend I made a trip to Madison Alabama which is a suburb 
> of Huntsville AL. NASA and it’s supporting industries (Northrup, 
> Intergraph, Boeing, Dynetics, etc.) put Huntsville on the map as a hub 
> for 
> technical and engineering products and services. The area has computer 
> scientists, mechanical and electronic engineers, Material Science PHD’s, 
> and thousands of really smart people. 
>
> Please bear with me as I feel there is a story to be told here. A 
> computer scientist, whom I’ll call RS had a 

Re: [neonixie-l] Nixie Nirvana

[Dekatron42]

Nice, it is a gold mine, especially since there is documentation as that is 
harder to come by than actual Nixies (except for a very few rare ones) in 
my opinion.

However I can't see any photos, is there a link to them or where are they?

/Martin

On Wednesday, 25 August 2021 at 05:30:01 UTC+2 Pramanicin wrote:

> Hi Jeffry, welcome to the group!!!
>
> As a long time Nixie fan, clock builder, collector etc, I applaud you for 
> keeping the treasure trove together. I noted a lot of highly sought after 
> goodies in the photos (including a rather *excessive* number of old 
> Axiris VU meters!). As a fellow nixie/neon nutcase and one of the 
> moderators of the group, let me know if there's anything I(we) can do to 
> help you with info, pricing etcthere are a lot of really knowledgeable 
> and thoughtful folks on this list and whilst a lot of us are probably 
> *agog* at the collection, deep-down we're happy that it is all in one 
> place and with someone who knows its value (not just monetarily).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nick
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 6:16 PM Audrey  wrote:
>
>> You should give them to me :)
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:14 PM Jeffry Portell  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes he and I are the same age. I need to think about where all this 
>>> should go in the event of my demise.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 3:27 PM Jeff Walton  wrote:
>>>
 Nice to hear that someone from the group was able to make the trip.  
 You are fortunate to have your hands on such a treasure trove of 
 antiquities!  Looking forward to seeing photos of the collection.  
 Eventually we all have collections that will change hands, some sooner 
 than 
 others... 


 *Jeff *


  Original message 
 From: Jeffry P  
 Date: 8/23/21 11:15 AM (GMT-06:00) 
 To: neonixie-l  
 Subject: [neonixie-l] Nixie Nirvana 

 Good morning to all!


 I joined the original Neonixie-l group on Yahoo many years ago when 
 Raymond W. was moderator. I had the privilege of paying him $100+ for a 
 ‘Four Letter Word’ kit that never arrived. Raymond was good at making 
 excuses ( waiting for parts, illness, earthquakes, no reliable help, etc.) 
 and always promised that no matter what I would get a kit. Meanwhile, the 
 time had run out for a refund. The (4) B7971’s were gathering dust while 
 waiting to broadcast their message as tame, colorful, or indecent per your 
 preferences! I think there was something in there about nuns blushing as 
 well. I still get a twinge while checking my postal mailbox and recalling 
 the 2 years of looking for a package from ‘Indonesia’.

  R.W took a lot of money from people and didn’t deliver. I believe many 
 of his unfortunate customers were, and still are, responsible for the 
 renewed interest in using nixie tubes. Kits were being designed by 
 hobbyists and enterprising individuals found and marketed tubes  that 
 could 
 be used to build clocks. I had bought the (4)B7971’s for my FLW on eBay in 
 anticipation of the kit arrival. 

 I love clocks-flip clocks, nixies, and electronic types especially. 
 Online auctions made access to these clocks easy and somewhat affordable. 
 I 
 ordered another kit from a seller on eBay named Pete Hand. I actually 
 received the kit, built it, and I was now the proud owner of a Four 
 -Letter- Word. I’ve owned quite a few four letter words in my lifetime but 
 once they fall out of your mouth…..

 I bought and built another kit and was hooked on nixies. I watched 
 prices rise for certain tubes and bought them and others as my budget 
 would 
 allow. The intention was to make clocks with them when I retired. I bought 
 a few kits that featured newer display types and learned about SMD’s 
 through trial and error.

 This past weekend I made a trip to Madison Alabama which is a suburb of 
 Huntsville AL. NASA and it’s supporting industries (Northrup, Intergraph, 
 Boeing, Dynetics, etc.) put Huntsville on the map as a hub for technical 
 and engineering products and services. The area has computer scientists, 
 mechanical and electronic engineers, Material Science PHD’s, and thousands 
 of really smart people. 

 Please bear with me as I feel there is a story to be told here. A 
 computer scientist, whom I’ll call RS had a more than passing interest in 
 Nixes. Unfortunately he passed away suddenly while in his prime years. I 
 believe this person was personally known to members of the Nixie 
 community.  I am in possession of RS’s extensive collection of Nixie 
 tubes, 
 built clocks, and collector's pieces. Technical documentation and assembly 
 manuals were kept in file folders.  Included is some correspondence 
 related 
 to RS’s support of the art of manufacturing Nixie tubes.