Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[David Forbes]

Greg,
Overvoltage is not a problem if at least one cathode is turned on when the
anode is turned on.

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018, 9:58 AM gregebert  wrote:

> Interesting. The HV5812 is a CMOS device rated for 80V, so it will be
> vulnerable to overstress if the nixie tubes leak (no bleeder resistors are
> present).
>
> Has anyone ever had driver failure ? If not, then I guess the blanking
> time is sufficient enough for charge to decay to a safe level, or the
> HV5812 is more tolerant of high-voltages than the datasheet indicates (or a
> combination thereof).
>
>
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[petehand]

There must be hundreds of that design out there. I personally sold more 
than 100 kits of one kind or another and the Jeff Thomas version used the 
same circuit. I've used it with regular nixie tubes as well as B7971s, and 
I've never heard of one failing.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[MichaelB]

No Failures here. Mine's been running for 8 years now! 

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 8:58:46 AM UTC-8, gregebert wrote:
>
> Interesting. The HV5812 is a CMOS device rated for 80V, so it will be 
> vulnerable to overstress if the nixie tubes leak (no bleeder resistors are 
> present).
>
> Has anyone ever had driver failure ? If not, then I guess the blanking 
> time is sufficient enough for charge to decay to a safe level, or the 
> HV5812 is more tolerant of high-voltages than the datasheet indicates (or a 
> combination thereof).
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[gregebert]

Sorry, I did miss that. It definitely solves any potential problem with 
nixie leakage, clamping it to a safe value. Much better solution than tying 
a bleeder resistor across each segment driver.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[petehand]

You obviously missed that in my design, pin 1 of the HV5812, the VPP pin, 
is tied to approximately 60 volts. An "off" output then is pulled up to 
60V, which is high enough that the cathode is extinguished, and any leakage 
current is clamped to 60V.

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 8:58:46 AM UTC-8, gregebert wrote:
>
> Interesting. The HV5812 is a CMOS device rated for 80V, so it will be 
> vulnerable to overstress if the nixie tubes leak (no bleeder resistors are 
> present).
>
> Has anyone ever had driver failure ? If not, then I guess the blanking 
> time is sufficient enough for charge to decay to a safe level, or the 
> HV5812 is more tolerant of high-voltages than the datasheet indicates (or a 
> combination thereof).
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[Paul Andrews]

I'll bite: The datasheet says the HV is controlled by MOSFETs:

"It combines a 20-bit CMOS shift register, data latches and control 
circuitry with high-voltage MOSFET outputs". 


On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 11:58:46 AM UTC-5, gregebert wrote:
>
> Interesting. The HV5812 is a CMOS device rated for 80V, so it will be 
> vulnerable to overstress if the nixie tubes leak (no bleeder resistors are 
> present).
>
> Has anyone ever had driver failure ? If not, then I guess the blanking 
> time is sufficient enough for charge to decay to a safe level, or the 
> HV5812 is more tolerant of high-voltages than the datasheet indicates (or a 
> combination thereof).
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[gregebert]

Interesting. The HV5812 is a CMOS device rated for 80V, so it will be 
vulnerable to overstress if the nixie tubes leak (no bleeder resistors are 
present).

Has anyone ever had driver failure ? If not, then I guess the blanking time 
is sufficient enough for charge to decay to a safe level, or the HV5812 is 
more tolerant of high-voltages than the datasheet indicates (or a 
combination thereof).

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[petehand]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 2:43:13 PM UTC-8, Paul Andrews wrote:
>
> Its an HV5812, with cathode resistors and MPSA42/92 anode switching. I 
> guess Pete could give you all the details.
>
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 5:36:13 PM UTC-5, gregebert wrote:
>>
>> What kind of segment driver does the FLW use ? From the PCB layout, I can 
>> see it's a multiplexed display.
>>
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[Paul Andrews]

Its an HV5812, with cathode resistors and MPSA42/92 anode switching. I 
guess Pete could give you all the details.

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 5:36:13 PM UTC-5, gregebert wrote:
>
> What kind of segment driver does the FLW use ? From the PCB layout, I can 
> see it's a multiplexed display.
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[gregebert]

What kind of segment driver does the FLW use ? From the PCB layout, I can 
see it's a multiplexed display.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[Paul Andrews]

Well. I can't turn this off at the moment, I would need to add a switch 
:-). But that's a slippery slope of feature creep that includes controlling 
different effects and adding an LDR to auto-dim them...

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 11:30:18 AM UTC-5, Jeff Walton wrote:
>
> Bling is good... 
>
> Can always turn it off.  It's all about options and choices. 
>
>  Original message 
> From: Paul Andrews <pa...@nixies.us > 
> Date: 3/5/18 10:26 AM (GMT-06:00) 
> To: neonixie-l <neoni...@googlegroups.com > 
> Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? 
> Clone kits? Software? 
>
> With added bling - I know some folks don't like underlighting, but I love 
> it:
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ZHBv8En7Rpw/Wp1u2uYBdcI/AqI/W4Ektvx0QG0xkUACeorNMD1rcoa9qLr_wCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_2537.PNG>
>
>
> I glued an ATTiny85 to the board dead-bug style, hooked it into ground and 
> +5V (pre-super cap) and wired in four neopixels. I also added an ISP header 
> for the ATTiny, because I know I will be messing with it:
>
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1_EqjHCQxlU/Wp1vVxv7p8I/AqQ/zPG8uivsYUwyRey66jP0On24nQf-pzcCACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_2533.JPG>
>
>
>
> BTW Pete, any chance I could get my hands on the source code?
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[Jeff Walton]

Bling is good... 
Can always turn it off.  It's all about options and choices. 
 Original message From: Paul Andrews <p...@nixies.us> Date: 
3/5/18  10:26 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: neonixie-l <neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone 
kits? Software? 
With added bling - I know some folks don't like underlighting, but I love it:

I glued an ATTiny85 to the board dead-bug style, hooked it into ground and +5V 
(pre-super cap) and wired in four neopixels. I also added an ISP header for the 
ATTiny, because I know I will be messing with it:


BTW Pete, any chance I could get my hands on the source code?



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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[Terry S]

Pete said you were at the FRONT OF THE LINE!

On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 9:24:02 PM UTC-6, Mike McCauley wrote:
>
>
> PANICKING HERE - 
>
> This is Mike, the guy who got this rolling in the first place.
>
> I replied to the email address you referred to with my shipping info, and 
> asked about how to pay.
>
> I haven't received a reply to that email. No confirmation.
>
> I ***DO, FOR SURE*** want to buy a kit!!!
>
> you can reach me at mlmcc...@att.net 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 8:15:35 PM UTC-6, petehand wrote:
>>
>> As of 6pm Pacific time on January 5th, there is ONE KIT LEFT. Everyone 
>> who emailed me should have had a confirmation email.
>>
>> Just in case anyone has the impression that I'm an insane 
>> philanthropist,  I should explicitly mention that the kit DOES NOT INCLUDE 
>> B7971 TUBES.
>>
>>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[Mike McCauley]

PANICKING HERE - 

This is Mike, the guy who got this rolling in the first place.

I replied to the email address you referred to with my shipping info, and 
asked about how to pay.

I haven't received a reply to that email. No confirmation.

I ***DO, FOR SURE*** want to buy a kit!!!

you can reach me at mlmccau...@att.net





On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 8:15:35 PM UTC-6, petehand wrote:
>
> As of 6pm Pacific time on January 5th, there is ONE KIT LEFT. Everyone who 
> emailed me should have had a confirmation email.
>
> Just in case anyone has the impression that I'm an insane philanthropist,  
> I should explicitly mention that the kit DOES NOT INCLUDE B7971 TUBES.
>
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[petehand]

As of 6pm Pacific time on January 5th, there is ONE KIT LEFT. Everyone who 
emailed me should have had a confirmation email.

Just in case anyone has the impression that I'm an insane philanthropist,  
I should explicitly mention that the kit DOES NOT INCLUDE B7971 TUBES.

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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[Jeff Walton]

Hi Pete,

 

Let us know how to make payment.  If you need in advance to put these kits 
together, just let us know.  Where are you located?  I’m in Minnesota.

 

Regards,

 

 

 

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kits? Software?

 

Everyone who wants a kit, please send me direct email to peteh...@gmail.com. 
There are only about a dozen boards and when they're gone, they're gone, unless 
the offer is massively oversubscribed. JW, I already got your email. Mike M, it 
was your inquiry that started this so you're at the front of the line. I'll 
have to order some of the parts so I won't be kitting up until next week some 
time. Kit price is $100 plus shipping.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[petehand]

Everyone who wants a kit, please send me direct email to peteh...@gmail.com. 
There are only about a dozen boards and when they're gone, they're gone, 
unless the offer is massively oversubscribed. JW, I already got your email. 
Mike M, it was your inquiry that started this so you're at the front of the 
line. I'll have to order some of the parts so I won't be kitting up until 
next week some time. Kit price is $100 plus shipping.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[Donald Stramock]

Hi Peter,
I am interested in a kit also
Regards,
Don Stramock

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> On Jan 4, 2018, at 8:07 PM, petehand  wrote:
> 
> The offer is open to everyone. I was selling these as complete kits in 2010 
> but I quit offering them so as not to compete with the Jeff Thomas FLW (which 
> was also my design). I have about a dozen boards and most of the parts to 
> make kits. I'll sell them for $20 a board, or $100 for a kit.
> 
> The complete documentation package is in the attachment.
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[Zane Faught]

I’ll take a kit.

Regards,
Zane

> On Jan 4, 2018, at 5:07 PM, petehand  wrote:
> 
> The offer is open to everyone. I was selling these as complete kits in 2010 
> but I quit offering them so as not to compete with the Jeff Thomas FLW (which 
> was also my design). I have about a dozen boards and most of the parts to 
> make kits. I'll sell them for $20 a board, or $100 for a kit.
> 
> The complete documentation package is in the attachment.
> 
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[Nicholas Stock]

Pete, ever considered releasing this as an open source project? Put the
boards on OSHPark or similar etc?

(Pharma) Nick

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:45 AM, Mike McCauley 
wrote:

> Looks good!
>
> Do you have a schematic and pictures of a finished unit that you could
> post?
>
> How much are you asking for your boards (plus shipping, of course)?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
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>
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 2:15:39 AM UTC-6, petehand wrote:
>>
>> LOL, I ordered a Weisling kit for my daughter too, and it didn't arrive,
>> and that's why I designed my own version. I still have a dozen PCBs that
>> use all through hole components, if you want one. With this design all the
>> components are underneath the board, tubes on top.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 11:48:28 AM UTC-8, Mike McCauley wrote:
>>>
>>> I've searched for an answer to these questions both in the group and on
>>> the Internet in general, but I can't find anything. Sorry if I've
>>> overlooked something.
>>>
>>> Wondering if anyone has developed a Weisling FLW clone (B7971 tube
>>> based) kit, either reverse engineered or all new hardware?
>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[Samuel G. Guss]

Greetings Petehand,Was this an offer to the group, or just one individual? If to the group, i'd certainly be interested in one. I'd be happy to cover postage and a nominal fee, if you wish!All the best,SamOn Jan 4, 2018 3:15 AM, petehand  wrote:LOL, I ordered a Weisling kit for my daughter too, and it didn't arrive, and that's why I designed my own version. I still have a dozen PCBs that use all through hole components, if you want one. With this design all the components are underneath the board, tubes on top.On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 11:48:28 AM UTC-8, Mike McCauley wrote:I've searched for an answer to these questions both in the group and on the Internet in general, but I can't find anything. Sorry if I've overlooked something.Wondering if anyone has developed a Weisling FLW clone (B7971 tube based) kit, either reverse engineered or all new hardware?



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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[gregebert]

I havn't added word-capability to the software yet, but that's very easy to 
do. Obvious things like holidays, birthdays for folks at home, and perhaps 
phrases for "2 minutes hate".

As others finish their clocks, I'm hopeful that software contributions will 
generate more interest. Right now it's just a basic clock, though the 
hardware is generic enough that any number of tubes can be cascaded (mine 
is 8 tubes).

At least 1 person is making mods to the original design to add dimming, 
which in hindsight is pretty important when you have 8 tubes running at 
night. Well, at least I dont need a nightlight anymore...

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? Clone kits? Software?

[mlmccaule...@gmail.com]

I appreciate your quick reply, Gregebert. But what I'm interested in is 
a four letter word type device, not a clock.


I will check out your reference, however, just to see how you interfaced 
the tubes.


And if I can't come up with any sort of four letter word design, I'll 
probably implement your design just to make good use of the tubes.


Thanks!



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Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: status of original Weisling FLW kit design? 
Clone kits? Software?


I developed a b7971 clock last year that uses a Raspberry Pi Zero W 
(the $10 unit with built-in WiFi).
All of my extra boards were given away already, but all the details & 
files are posted on another google group:


https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/b7971-driver-board-user-group


If you have the tubes, you've finished the most difficult and expensive 
step.




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