Re: [NetBehaviour] Links

[Max Herman via NetBehaviour]

Hi Rob,

I've been interested in category theory for a year or so, on a friend's 
recommendation.  Where do you see it applying?  For me it relates to mapping 
networks and to translating concepts and principles between disciplines, and by 
a combination of these possibly art and literature.  (It's even been applied to 
neuroscience I think.)

However, what really caught my attention recently was that I realized after 
learning about category theory that a book I'd been studying for a while, Six 
Memos for the Next Millennium by Italo Calvino, includes elements of it (I 
think).  Calvino describes (Six Memos, pp. 121-22) in a discussion of Georges 
Perec's Life, a User's Manual how Perec based his novel on 42 categories and 
some secret "rules" which I assume are functors or transforms.  Perec's novel 
has some mathematical equations on page 7 which my friend, a mathematician, 
confirmed are from category theory.

The equations on page 7 mention isomorphism, a new word for me recently.  Then 
to my surprise I saw the same word in Hofstadter's Godel, Escher, Bach, chapter 
4.  I had been reading GEB because Calvino references it in the Six Memos, and 
specifically chapter 4 because the title is "Consistency, Completeness, and 
Geometry."  I was drawn to chapter 4 because I have been looking up a lot of 
references to consistency because that is the title of the unwritten sixth 
memo.  I was veritably shocked to find in GEB ch. 4 discussion of not only 
isomorphism, but this quotation:  "In my opinion, in fact, the key element in 
answering the question 'What is consciousness?' will be the unraveling of the 
nature of the 'isomorphism' which underlies meaning."

The same chapter 4 also discusses Bach's Art of Fugue, and what it may mean 
that it was unfinished at the time of Bach's passing, in the context of Godel's 
Incompleteness Theorem.  In Calvino's discussion of Perec on pp. 121-22 he 
discusses the leaving of something unfinished (i.e. Perec's 99 chapters about 
an apartment building with 100 rooms).

I've asked tons of people about this but very few people understand or care 
about both Calvino and category theory.  (There was a recent piece in the LA 
Review of Books about some writers trying to speculate what "Consistency" might 
have been about, but none made any reference to GEB or category theory.  I even 
emailed Hofstadter himself!  He replied kindly that he had never heard of my 
speculation that Six Memos is referencing his GEB, and that he had heard of Six 
Memos but never read it.

This unlucky chain of inquiries has also got me asking about Leonardo's 
approach, because he said "art work is never finished, only abandoned," and 
used a method of "analogy" between disciplines that I think may be part of the 
ML. Then I wonder if the Mona Lisa is a work about his understanding of the 
'isomorphism' of consciousness?

I have a few recent blogs at Leonardo.info about the ML grouped under "The 
Mindful Mona Lisa" and a unique "bridge" theory I am trying to sort out.  I've 
asked a lot of Leonardo experts and they say it's unique, but wrong, though I'm 
not entirely convinced by their reasoning.  

Be safe and well,

Max



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Rob Myers 
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:34 PM
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity 

Subject: [NetBehaviour] Links

Research-based police reform -

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/1180655701271732224


How IBM and the NSA spied on MLK -

https://schmud.de/posts/2020-06-02-mlk.html


Surveillance self-defence for protestors -

https://twitter.com/EFF/status/1268246279143911426?s=20


"Top epidemiologist admits he got Sweden's COVID-19 strategy wrong" -

https://vancouversun.com/news/world/top-epidemiologist-admits-he-got-swedens-covid-19-strategy-wrong/wcm/e91435c3-3440-4309-ad5b-055974d9d8e3/


Software engineering at SpaceX (plus model rockets) -

https://yasoob.me/posts/software_engineering_within_spacex_launch/


"Digital and networked art in lockdown: how can we be creative in new
ways?" -

https://www.studiointernational.com/index.php/digital-and-networked-art-in-lockdown-how-can-we-be-creative-in-new-ways


Art + FinTech 2.0 -

https://www.unfoldbrics.art/art-fintech-2-0/overview


What is category theory anyway? -

https://www.math3ma.com/blog/what-is-category-theory-anyway


"How Does a Human Critique Art Made by AI?" -

https://www.artnews.com/art-in-america/features/creative-ai-art-criticism-1202686003/


"The Virtual Economy" -

https://atelier.net/virtual-economy/


"TiddlyWiki as the original serverless" -

https://blog.fission.codes/tiddlywiki-as-the-original-serverless/


"Why Utopian Communities Fail" -

https://areomagazine.com/2018/03/08/why-utopian-communities-fail/


90s rave bangers -

https://soundcloud.com/zinc/zinc-tmiwt-93-pt1


GPT-3 is here -

https://thenextweb.com/neural/2020/05/29/openais-new-text-generator-writes-sad-poems-and-corrects-lousy-grammar/

Re: [NetBehaviour] A song for peace and justice in Minneapolis: "The Beautiful"

[Max Herman via NetBehaviour]

Sounds like the search didn't work -- here is the link.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFtnwdb1lao

I need a lot of practice.  


From: NetBehaviour  on behalf of 
Max Herman via NetBehaviour 
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 6:30 PM
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity 

Cc: Max Herman 
Subject: [NetBehaviour] A song for peace and justice in Minneapolis: "The 
Beautiful"


Hi all,

I wrote this song in August 2019 but just recorded it today, June 3rd 2020.  I 
need to make a better version of it but this is the best I could do today.  
It's basically a rough draft with no rights reserved except attribution so you 
can make your own, better, version.  

On youtube search for "The Beautiful", result #3.

I'd like to dedicate it to the memory of George Floyd, and to peace, justice, 
and love for my home town Minneapolis and for all people everywhere.

Be safe and well,

Max


+


The Beautiful

What do you see when you look in the mirror
Am  G
  Not the TV
Am  G
   (Look inside)
AmG

Did you ever watch a bird drink from a cook-pot
AmG
Dipping, dipping, perched, watch you too?
AmG
 (Look back at yourself)
Am G

The beauty you see is you
D/Dm7
Your beauty too
C/Cm7

Such hate across the nation brings tears to fathers' eyes
  Bm Em
Death by fire and water, storms of our own demise
  Bm  F#m

Bm-F#m-G-F#m

When you connect, earth, sky, water, life
AmG
Beyond your intellect, it's great
Am G
  (Samadhi)
Am  G

The beauty you see is you
D/Dm7
Your beauty too
C/Cm7

Itself and others and all things
Am   G
It's the great peace
AmG
A strong heart at peace
AmG
 (Let it happen)
AmG

It's for you, it's you
 D/Dm7  C/Cm7

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Re: [NetBehaviour] On the dialog below (distraught thought)

[Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour]

Hi Max, thank you for this. I've tried to read GEB but lost interest,
sadly? or not?
Yes, re: theater; the reason I chose audio to present is that it takes on
the guise of a radio play. I can imagine it being used with mime as well.
I wouldn't want to go towards old-time theater with actors; the computer
voices are really integral here.
But as voice-overs... I wonder what King Lear would look like without the
words, but with the 5am.mp3? In other words, an entirely different
discourse, actors gone silent. Or in the guise of a Noh play without masks,
or masks on the mouth (contagion masks), the dialog again piped in.
...the helicopter, from Boston, is overhead again, enforcing curfew. As
Azure just said, it didn't help last night...
Best, Alan, and thanks for replying; I really appreciate feedback on these
pieces...

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 3:42 PM Max Herman via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:

>
> Hi Alan,
>
> This is really great.  It reminds me a little bit of chapter 4 of
> Hofstadter's *Godel, Escher, Bach*, which ends in a rather bizarre
> dialogue about information and reality along the lines of Godel's
> Incompleteness Theorem.  Not so much in specific content or emotions as in
> certain structural aspects and overall themes.
>
> Not sure of your artistic views on theater, but it seems like the dialogue
> could be very affecting performed by two humans like old-time theater, from
> before we had so many machines to do our supposed bidding.
>
> Hoping you and yours are all well there,
>
> Max
>
>
> --
> *From:* NetBehaviour  on
> behalf of Alan Sondheim 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 3, 2020 9:34 AM
> *To:* NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <
> netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>
> *Subject:* [NetBehaviour] On the dialog below (distraught thought)
>
>
>
> On the dialog below (distraught thought)
>
> http://www.alansondheim.org/5am.jpg
>
> The dialog, between a bot and an actor, is reproduced - but the
> timing is off of course; it reads more cartoon-like. The original
> was slowed to 85% of speed to deepen the voices and give room for
> thought. The dialog exposes the nerves of artificial intelligence
> - so to speak - cycles, repetitions, no way out, the botaverse is
> limited, almost a military machine. And like the military, perhaps,
> there's a sense of the invincible there, although in reality AI
> models, at least to date, replace one another - or rather are
> replaced by newer models. "It's the machine in them that'd doing
> the speaking," and with bots the speaking and machine are
> equivalent.
>
> The bot knows nothing but the statement of accumulated facts; at
> least for the moment we can assume no interior imagery accompanying
> them. So what occurs in language for JT remains in language for JT;
> in this sense, JT represents abstract and ungrounded power, power
> which in the real runs dangerously - because the performative is
> taken up, not by artificial intelligence, but by its messy
> relationship to the real through human, not machinic, actors. Of
> course all of these lines are blurred and will become increasingly
> so.
>
> Then there is the matter of real politics; the human, such as it
> is, in all of this, keeps returning to a description of interior
> states, issues of will and behavior, issues of being in the world,
> which runs, exists in the real, language forming a carapace. It a
> distance. It's a distance also between digital and analog, between
> bot and human, but also between us (humans) and our devices -
> cellphones in particular, and their role in violence - scanners as
> well, and their role particularly with the police and military
> 10-4. Ultimately we simultaneously attribute consciousness and
> disposal to our devices; trading in a cellphone in may resonate
> with trading ourselves in, as language and even cellphone cameras
> resonate with our desires. Narcissism circulates internally like
> electricity itself. So when murder, particularly murder by
> authority, occurs, everything breaks; the somatic, the grit,
> dominates as well it should. (Even with looting, the grit of the
> store - the analog basis of commerce, not its multi-leveled
> neoliberal representations, takes over. And with every one of us,
> tear gas, the rubber bullet, the rock, the broken glass, returns
> the material world to us - again, as well it should.)
>
> What protests teach, then, above all, is the oppression of real
> people by real people, people defined (externally? internally?) by
> their roles, by their skin and genders, by their histories and
> responses to histories; we're no longer living in the bot-world
> phone-world; we're there, and the wounds of all of us, but most of
> all of those oppressed (by any means possible?), are exposed and
> must be healed - whatever the cost, it must be born, as any other
> ways and means are unjust, unless accompanied by what, for so many,
> seems to be the unbearable.
>
> ---

[NetBehaviour] A song for peace and justice in Minneapolis: "The Beautiful"

[Max Herman via NetBehaviour]

Hi all,

I wrote this song in August 2019 but just recorded it today, June 3rd 2020.  I 
need to make a better version of it but this is the best I could do today.  
It's basically a rough draft with no rights reserved except attribution so you 
can make your own, better, version.  

On youtube search for "The Beautiful", result #3.

I'd like to dedicate it to the memory of George Floyd, and to peace, justice, 
and love for my home town Minneapolis and for all people everywhere.

Be safe and well,

Max


+


The Beautiful

What do you see when you look in the mirror
Am  G
  Not the TV
Am  G
   (Look inside)
AmG

Did you ever watch a bird drink from a cook-pot
AmG
Dipping, dipping, perched, watch you too?
AmG
 (Look back at yourself)
Am G

The beauty you see is you
D/Dm7
Your beauty too
C/Cm7

Such hate across the nation brings tears to fathers' eyes
  Bm Em
Death by fire and water, storms of our own demise
  Bm  F#m

Bm-F#m-G-F#m

When you connect, earth, sky, water, life
AmG
Beyond your intellect, it's great
Am G
  (Samadhi)
Am  G

The beauty you see is you
D/Dm7
Your beauty too
C/Cm7

Itself and others and all things
Am   G
It's the great peace
AmG
A strong heart at peace
AmG
 (Let it happen)
AmG

It's for you, it's you
 D/Dm7  C/Cm7

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Re: [NetBehaviour] On the dialog below (distraught thought)

[Max Herman via NetBehaviour]

Hi Alan,

This is really great.  It reminds me a little bit of chapter 4 of Hofstadter's 
Godel, Escher, Bach, which ends in a rather bizarre dialogue about information 
and reality along the lines of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem.  Not so much in 
specific content or emotions as in certain structural aspects and overall 
themes.

Not sure of your artistic views on theater, but it seems like the dialogue 
could be very affecting performed by two humans like old-time theater, from 
before we had so many machines to do our supposed bidding.

Hoping you and yours are all well there,

Max



From: NetBehaviour  on behalf of 
Alan Sondheim 
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 9:34 AM
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity 

Subject: [NetBehaviour] On the dialog below (distraught thought)



On the dialog below (distraught thought)

http://www.alansondheim.org/5am.jpg

The dialog, between a bot and an actor, is reproduced - but the
timing is off of course; it reads more cartoon-like. The original
was slowed to 85% of speed to deepen the voices and give room for
thought. The dialog exposes the nerves of artificial intelligence
- so to speak - cycles, repetitions, no way out, the botaverse is
limited, almost a military machine. And like the military, perhaps,
there's a sense of the invincible there, although in reality AI
models, at least to date, replace one another - or rather are
replaced by newer models. "It's the machine in them that'd doing
the speaking," and with bots the speaking and machine are
equivalent.

The bot knows nothing but the statement of accumulated facts; at
least for the moment we can assume no interior imagery accompanying
them. So what occurs in language for JT remains in language for JT;
in this sense, JT represents abstract and ungrounded power, power
which in the real runs dangerously - because the performative is
taken up, not by artificial intelligence, but by its messy
relationship to the real through human, not machinic, actors. Of
course all of these lines are blurred and will become increasingly
so.

Then there is the matter of real politics; the human, such as it
is, in all of this, keeps returning to a description of interior
states, issues of will and behavior, issues of being in the world,
which runs, exists in the real, language forming a carapace. It a
distance. It's a distance also between digital and analog, between
bot and human, but also between us (humans) and our devices -
cellphones in particular, and their role in violence - scanners as
well, and their role particularly with the police and military
10-4. Ultimately we simultaneously attribute consciousness and
disposal to our devices; trading in a cellphone in may resonate
with trading ourselves in, as language and even cellphone cameras
resonate with our desires. Narcissism circulates internally like
electricity itself. So when murder, particularly murder by
authority, occurs, everything breaks; the somatic, the grit,
dominates as well it should. (Even with looting, the grit of the
store - the analog basis of commerce, not its multi-leveled
neoliberal representations, takes over. And with every one of us,
tear gas, the rubber bullet, the rock, the broken glass, returns
the material world to us - again, as well it should.)

What protests teach, then, above all, is the oppression of real
people by real people, people defined (externally? internally?) by
their roles, by their skin and genders, by their histories and
responses to histories; we're no longer living in the bot-world
phone-world; we're there, and the wounds of all of us, but most of
all of those oppressed (by any means possible?), are exposed and
must be healed - whatever the cost, it must be born, as any other
ways and means are unjust, unless accompanied by what, for so many,
seems to be the unbearable.

---

"5am this morning - distraught thought

http://www.alansondheim.org/5am.jpg
http://www.alansondheim.org/5am.mp3 "


text for:

5 a.m.

JT: hello
AD: hello
JT: Hi there!
AD: how are you, how are the voices??
JT: Everything is going extremely well.
AD: what do you mean? there are riots everywhere, the whole
world is coming to an end!
JT: Alan, Well, it's rather difficult to define. Where are they?
AD: They are everywhere in every city and every forest in every
country!
JT: everywhere in every city and every forest in every country
are everywhere in every city and every forest in every co
AD: Help! Help!
JT: Can you ask for help in the form of a question? Can you ask
for help in the form of a question?
AD: Help? Help?
JT: Can you ask for help in the form of a question? Can you ask
for help in the form of a question?
AD: What can I do to bring peace to the world?
JT: Try talking to me.
AD: Hello!
JT: Hi there!
AD: How are you doing?
JT: I'm doing great, how about you?
AD: Terrible and confused! There are riots everywhere in the
world!
JT: Try putting that in a more specific context. Where are they?
The whole 

Re: [NetBehaviour] "This is not new" Spike Lee on George Floyd on BBC news last night

[Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour]

Thank you so so much for this.

- Alan, everyone should watch this of course -

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 6:15 AM Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBKt8MGeFgw
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[NetBehaviour] On the dialog below (distraught thought)

[Alan Sondheim]

On the dialog below (distraught thought)

http://www.alansondheim.org/5am.jpg

The dialog, between a bot and an actor, is reproduced - but the
timing is off of course; it reads more cartoon-like. The original
was slowed to 85% of speed to deepen the voices and give room for
thought. The dialog exposes the nerves of artificial intelligence
- so to speak - cycles, repetitions, no way out, the botaverse is
limited, almost a military machine. And like the military, perhaps,
there's a sense of the invincible there, although in reality AI
models, at least to date, replace one another - or rather are
replaced by newer models. "It's the machine in them that'd doing
the speaking," and with bots the speaking and machine are
equivalent.

The bot knows nothing but the statement of accumulated facts; at
least for the moment we can assume no interior imagery accompanying
them. So what occurs in language for JT remains in language for JT;
in this sense, JT represents abstract and ungrounded power, power
which in the real runs dangerously - because the performative is
taken up, not by artificial intelligence, but by its messy
relationship to the real through human, not machinic, actors. Of
course all of these lines are blurred and will become increasingly
so.

Then there is the matter of real politics; the human, such as it
is, in all of this, keeps returning to a description of interior
states, issues of will and behavior, issues of being in the world,
which runs, exists in the real, language forming a carapace. It a
distance. It's a distance also between digital and analog, between
bot and human, but also between us (humans) and our devices -
cellphones in particular, and their role in violence - scanners as
well, and their role particularly with the police and military
10-4. Ultimately we simultaneously attribute consciousness and
disposal to our devices; trading in a cellphone in may resonate
with trading ourselves in, as language and even cellphone cameras
resonate with our desires. Narcissism circulates internally like
electricity itself. So when murder, particularly murder by
authority, occurs, everything breaks; the somatic, the grit,
dominates as well it should. (Even with looting, the grit of the
store - the analog basis of commerce, not its multi-leveled
neoliberal representations, takes over. And with every one of us,
tear gas, the rubber bullet, the rock, the broken glass, returns
the material world to us - again, as well it should.)

What protests teach, then, above all, is the oppression of real
people by real people, people defined (externally? internally?) by
their roles, by their skin and genders, by their histories and
responses to histories; we're no longer living in the bot-world
phone-world; we're there, and the wounds of all of us, but most of
all of those oppressed (by any means possible?), are exposed and
must be healed - whatever the cost, it must be born, as any other
ways and means are unjust, unless accompanied by what, for so many,
seems to be the unbearable.

---

"5am this morning - distraught thought

http://www.alansondheim.org/5am.jpg
http://www.alansondheim.org/5am.mp3 "


text for:

5 a.m.

JT: hello
AD: hello
JT: Hi there!
AD: how are you, how are the voices??
JT: Everything is going extremely well.
AD: what do you mean? there are riots everywhere, the whole
world is coming to an end!
JT: Alan, Well, it's rather difficult to define. Where are they?
AD: They are everywhere in every city and every forest in every
country!
JT: everywhere in every city and every forest in every country
are everywhere in every city and every forest in every co
AD: Help! Help!
JT: Can you ask for help in the form of a question? Can you ask
for help in the form of a question?
AD: Help? Help?
JT: Can you ask for help in the form of a question? Can you ask
for help in the form of a question?
AD: What can I do to bring peace to the world?
JT: Try talking to me.
AD: Hello!
JT: Hi there!
AD: How are you doing?
JT: I'm doing great, how about you?
AD: Terrible and confused! There are riots everywhere in the
world!
JT: Try putting that in a more specific context. Where are they?
The whole world?
AD: The whole world top to bottom! Help! Hwlp!
JT: Let us try to break it down into parts. Can you ask for help
in the form of a question? Tell me more about your unkn
AD: Help us bring peace and kindness and equality to the world!
JT: Can you ask for help in the form of a question?
AD: How can you help us bring peace and kindness and eqaulity to
the world?
JT: I can talk about your problems.
AD: They are everyone's problems!
JT: everyone s problems are everyone s problems.
AD: Yes, but that's no solution is it?
JT: Hurrah!Huh.  Thanks for explaining no solution is it.
AD: Hurrah? When people are suffering?
JT: That is deep. I sometimes wish people were more logical like
robots.
AD: Riots everywhere!
JT: Quite honestly, I wouldn't worry myself about that.
AD: But that's because you're a robot!
JT: Umm.  Good reason.  Do 

[NetBehaviour] "This is not new" Spike Lee on George Floyd on BBC news last night

[Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBKt8MGeFgw










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advance

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exhibitions,
labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free thinking.
furtherfield.org 

*DECAL* Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0 technologies
research hub

for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & economies now.

decal.is 

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[NetBehaviour] Solidarity

[Michael Szpakowski]

https://mobile.twitter.com/SarahWaltonNews/status/1267912563418857473 




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[NetBehaviour] SPACE/RACE READING LIST was collectively produced by a group of architectural historians

[AGF poemproducer]

Hi, 

this is a deep collection of links, please share
SPACE/RACE READING LIST was collectively produced by a group of architectural 
historians, 
art historians, architects, and urbanists in reaction to the August 2017 events 
in Charlottesville
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p2GvScemyghCaQVkA3fDTsjqtprk7CPOryZv5-YUTkk/edit

via twitter
https://twitter.com/dubravka/status/1267839576351092739

greetings from Finland
agee




sound & facilitation

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