[NetBehaviour] And L's off his bloody rocker
Here's the link to the latest about L. And B.. They've been laying low but up and At it again https://www.instagram.com/p/CzFMtQwIa1I/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] 1. Re: Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music for Hell (Alan Sondheim)
I keep thinking of _aporia_ : "aporia Rhetoric. the expression of a simulated or real doubt, as about where to begin or what to do or say." Logic, Philosophy. a difficulty encountered in establishing the theoretical truth of a proposition, created by the presence of evidence both for and against it. Or: no way, nowhere to proceed, resulting (I think) in anxiety, also difficult to define, an internal twisting/torsion/tension with no path to proceed (but one must keep moving / one must stay alive): -- which is where for believers prayer comes in - and that can well lead to darkness as well as solace -- I'm reading (the twistings and turnings of Karl Kraus) which helps as I become entangled in tangled language in the shadow of the embryonic Holocaust - Or at times, reading Lamentations and meditating on long time - but then realizing with current weaponry and communications, how short earthly time and space have become - Then there are local news here, a close friend now in hospital after a serious bicycle accident (we speak to the extent we can), that highschool friend part of a mass murder - Sometimes I think - it's better to not know, just in order to proceed - but procedures themselves falter - Back to Kraus (The Third Walpurgis Night), Kristeva's Powers of Horror again later today (I think) Question - does art-making, email list discussions, music help you? (it does me) http://www.alansondheim.org/testmodel2.jpg (art helps?) Thanks and apologies for going on here, Alan On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 12:56 PM Johannes Birringer via NetBehaviour < netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote: > One could not agree more, Suzon, and you put it well in your recent post > about all lives mattering, absolutely. And the care that needs to be felt > and expressed. > thank you for sharing. > > As you all probably have done, I talk to friends, I listen, & read the > news about protests and demonstrations, attacks, violent incidents, which > have been streaming > out of the immediate catastrophic war territories, and the attack against > Israel now not only shadows the war in the Ukraine but also affects flows > of refugees > (from Ukraine and Russia, via Russa, via other ports, also from northern > African countries where people are migrating/fleeing other civil wars and > armed conflicts in Africa); it is hard to disentangle things. > We saw posts here on our list, asking for signing of petitions, but the > matters were not altogether clear to me, as there was reference to > genocide, and a call to stop military action in Gaza; what I did not quite > hear here and from the demonstrations (a huge one in London, others in > various cities in Germany, France, and other European countries) was a > petition to condemn Hamas's genocidal attack against Israeli citizens and > the kidnapping of innocent women, children, elderly.. holding them hostage, > and granting Israel the right to defense (the war on terror and US > reactions to 9/11 are cited in conversations, but less often is there > mentioning of non-existing so-called exit-strategies). There were many > shouts in these demonstrations about eliminating Israel "From the River to > the Sea", that's an open call to genocide, in my view, and nothing whatever > can justify this. > Suzon spoke of "being in crossed angers and polarised opinion" -- this may > be very true. But when one talks about massacres, genocide, self defense > and exit strategy, does one then realize there are no exits, or no peace > and reconciliations? We have experienced reconciliations, have we not? > > respectfully > Johannes Birringer > > > > > On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 3:47 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour < > netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote: > >> >> All lives matter, absolutely, and kindness and care matter so much in >> these dark days, looking after our friends, neighbors, as much as >> possible... >> >> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, Suzon Fuks via NetBehaviour wrote: >> >> > Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 13:18:41 +0100 >> > From: Suzon Fuks via NetBehaviour >> > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> > >> > Cc: Suzon Fuks >> > Subject: [NetBehaviour] 1. Re: Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music for >> Hell >> > (Alan Sondheim) >> > >> > Dear Alan and Johannes, >> > Reading your posts... >> > I am deeply distressed and sad, not much words. >> > >> > Feeling like being in crossed angers and polarised opinions made by the >> > worst amalgam from social media. Even with close friends. >> > >> > All lives matter!!! >> > No artistic triggers yet... just a dark hole >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, 12:20 , < >> netbehaviour-requ...@lists.netbehaviour.org> >> > wrote: >> > Send NetBehaviour mailing list submissions to >> > netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org >> > >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> > >> > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > or, via email, send a
Re: [NetBehaviour] 1. Re: Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music for Hell (Alan Sondheim)
One could not agree more, Suzon, and you put it well in your recent post about all lives mattering, absolutely. And the care that needs to be felt and expressed. thank you for sharing. As you all probably have done, I talk to friends, I listen, & read the news about protests and demonstrations, attacks, violent incidents, which have been streaming out of the immediate catastrophic war territories, and the attack against Israel now not only shadows the war in the Ukraine but also affects flows of refugees (from Ukraine and Russia, via Russa, via other ports, also from northern African countries where people are migrating/fleeing other civil wars and armed conflicts in Africa); it is hard to disentangle things. We saw posts here on our list, asking for signing of petitions, but the matters were not altogether clear to me, as there was reference to genocide, and a call to stop military action in Gaza; what I did not quite hear here and from the demonstrations (a huge one in London, others in various cities in Germany, France, and other European countries) was a petition to condemn Hamas's genocidal attack against Israeli citizens and the kidnapping of innocent women, children, elderly.. holding them hostage, and granting Israel the right to defense (the war on terror and US reactions to 9/11 are cited in conversations, but less often is there mentioning of non-existing so-called exit-strategies). There were many shouts in these demonstrations about eliminating Israel "From the River to the Sea", that's an open call to genocide, in my view, and nothing whatever can justify this. Suzon spoke of "being in crossed angers and polarised opinion" -- this may be very true. But when one talks about massacres, genocide, self defense and exit strategy, does one then realize there are no exits, or no peace and reconciliations? We have experienced reconciliations, have we not? respectfully Johannes Birringer On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 3:47 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour < netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote: > > All lives matter, absolutely, and kindness and care matter so much in > these dark days, looking after our friends, neighbors, as much as > possible... > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, Suzon Fuks via NetBehaviour wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 13:18:41 +0100 > > From: Suzon Fuks via NetBehaviour > > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > > > > Cc: Suzon Fuks > > Subject: [NetBehaviour] 1. Re: Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music for > Hell > > (Alan Sondheim) > > > > Dear Alan and Johannes, > > Reading your posts... > > I am deeply distressed and sad, not much words. > > > > Feeling like being in crossed angers and polarised opinions made by the > > worst amalgam from social media. Even with close friends. > > > > All lives matter!!! > > No artistic triggers yet... just a dark hole > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, 12:20 , < > netbehaviour-requ...@lists.netbehaviour.org> > > wrote: > > Send NetBehaviour mailing list submissions to > > netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > netbehaviour-requ...@lists.netbehaviour.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > netbehaviour-ow...@lists.netbehaviour.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > > specific > > than "Re: Contents of NetBehaviour digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music for Hell (Alan > > Sondheim) > > > > > > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 19:59:53 -0400 > > From: Alan Sondheim > > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > > > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music > > for > > Hell > > Message-ID: > > > >pi2dg1smdy2kknzvp1ouymdd6t5yppjvsi1cif7jwzvx...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi Johannes, > > > > Here there was an attempted attack on a synagogue in Rhode > > Island, came to > > nothing. The anti-semites will be out in force. > > There's no comparison to 9/11 definitely, and the comparison > > does discredit > > to analysis, to what actually happened, etc. in both places. > > What Hamas did was absolutely horrific, I can't imagine that, > > literally. It > > certainly changes the tenor of things. > > There's so much to blame, all the way around, and I hate the > > hatreds that > > also inflame these situations, make them worse. > > I can't understand Netanyahu at all, the
[NetBehaviour] FIGURE Machine
FIGURE Machine https://youtu.be/zYr-vV78zt8 video The Figure And Its Shadow the figure and its shadow The figure and its shadow THE FIGURE AND ITS SHADOW the figure And its shadow: _useless writing, all of you_ the operand of labor and war: operand: "a quantity upon which a mathematical operation is performed" the operand of the shadow / shadow of the operand "For they can sleep when the spirits awaken, and it is a joy to be alive." (Karl Kraus) " I can't think well when I'm doing this, not with all the war and hospitalizations occurring, the keillings and the lack of even formal or fictional slavation anywhere in sight/site." not with misspellings, typed eyes closed (for another day): now this: __ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
