Re: [NetBehaviour] labyrinth, maze, atlas
I love this, thanks for sharing On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 at 12:02, Klobucar, Philip Andrew < andrew.klobu...@njit.edu> wrote: > I think there's a few people on this list who continue to experiment with > blockchain, NFTs and various aesthetic explorations. This new netprov play > might be inspiring. For any who might be interested, start here: > > https://www.reddit.com/r/gl1tchcoin/comments/o1ini1/critics_coiner/ > > > To be in the book. To figure in the book of > > Questions, to be part of it. To be responsible for > a word or a sentence, a stanza or chapter. > > Edmond Jabès, *Le Livre des Questions* > > > > Andrew Klobucar, Ph.D. > Associate Professor > Department of Humanities > New Jersey Institute of Technology > 332 Cullimore Hall > 973.596.5724 > klobu...@njit.edu > > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:10 PM Max Herman via NetBehaviour < > netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote: > >> >> Hi Ana, >> >> Thank you for the great reference to Palenque Yucatan! Its an example I >> didn't know about and will help my understanding a lot. It's interesting >> that the patterns are both painted and built, comparable to some of the >> examples further north. In many cultures there are linguistic and musical >> parallels too, such as Bach's Little Harmonic Labyrinth which I learned >> about last year, or perhaps even an indigenous drum and song performance I >> heard earlier this month. >> >> In trying to process Dante's Commedia I have found he uses wheels and >> circles a lot, using ancient references such as Fortuna and perhaps most of >> all astronomy (which all eras have pondered). It's not a labyrinth per se >> but he starts out totally lost and needs help (from Beatrice and Virgil) to >> find his way. Theres a theme of "having to go through it" to get balance, >> of faculties being taxed and failing but learning, as well as indeterminacy >> which are comparable to labyrinth experiences. >> >> Interesting coincidence in Garrett's post about Daedalus! :) >> >> All best, >> >> Max >> >> >> >> -- >> *From:* Ana Valdés >> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 22, 2021 8:52 AM >> *To:* Max Herman >> *Cc:* NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity < >> netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] labyrinth, maze, atlas >> >> Thanks Max the labyrinth or pattern or maze is indeed an old form of >> representation a kind of natural metaphors where we mankind try to explain >> things and create a narrative of our origin and our aims. >> I was in Palenque Yucatán in Mexico once and saw the complicated >> labyrinths the Mayas reproduced on wall paintings and gardens in the middle >> of the forest. >> Palenque was “discovered” or found as late as in 1922 but the archeologs >> and explorers say there are still many sites or cities to be discovered. >> Ana >> >> On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 02:05, Max Herman wrote: >> >> >> Hi Ana, >> >> I was thinking today or yesterday that a key feature of a labyrinth or >> maze is you can't solve it in advance then speed through. You have to >> experience it, and it has unpredictable or random features. This calls for >> a certain being present, with a place, time, and task or activity. The >> task has no purpose beyond its being experienced. >> >> It's also a prehistoric art form, arguably, going back to stone circles >> or indigenous "medicine wheels," thus having omni-cultural aspects >> perhaps. There is often a link between microcosm and macrocosm implied or >> stated. I'm sure there must be electronic ways to mediate such an activity >> but since digital technology makes it so easy and profitable to script an >> environment, and since the body is somewhat excluded from electronic >> settings, that may be more the norm in our hopefully still early stages. >> >> I've never been to Chartres, but Warburgs Atlas has an unscripted "place" >> aspect to it, as may possibly the Berlin exhibit of Leonardo's Books by the >> Planck Institute till June 28 (where the artifacts are arranged kind of >> like maze they say, plus with a vortex of papers at the center, but still >> there is no travel there from here). I did see the 2019 showing at the >> Museo Galileo, which started off all my interest in Leonardo, so I'm >> interested to see what the virtual version of the Berlin exhibit is like. >> >> All best, >
Re: [NetBehaviour] labyrinth, maze, atlas
I think there's a few people on this list who continue to experiment with blockchain, NFTs and various aesthetic explorations. This new netprov play might be inspiring. For any who might be interested, start here: https://www.reddit.com/r/gl1tchcoin/comments/o1ini1/critics_coiner/ To be in the book. To figure in the book of Questions, to be part of it. To be responsible for a word or a sentence, a stanza or chapter. Edmond Jabès, *Le Livre des Questions* Andrew Klobucar, Ph.D. Associate Professor Department of Humanities New Jersey Institute of Technology 332 Cullimore Hall 973.596.5724 klobu...@njit.edu On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:10 PM Max Herman via NetBehaviour < netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote: > > Hi Ana, > > Thank you for the great reference to Palenque Yucatan! Its an example I > didn't know about and will help my understanding a lot. It's interesting > that the patterns are both painted and built, comparable to some of the > examples further north. In many cultures there are linguistic and musical > parallels too, such as Bach's Little Harmonic Labyrinth which I learned > about last year, or perhaps even an indigenous drum and song performance I > heard earlier this month. > > In trying to process Dante's Commedia I have found he uses wheels and > circles a lot, using ancient references such as Fortuna and perhaps most of > all astronomy (which all eras have pondered). It's not a labyrinth per se > but he starts out totally lost and needs help (from Beatrice and Virgil) to > find his way. Theres a theme of "having to go through it" to get balance, > of faculties being taxed and failing but learning, as well as indeterminacy > which are comparable to labyrinth experiences. > > Interesting coincidence in Garrett's post about Daedalus! :) > > All best, > > Max > > > > -- > *From:* Ana Valdés > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 22, 2021 8:52 AM > *To:* Max Herman > *Cc:* NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity < > netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> > *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] labyrinth, maze, atlas > > Thanks Max the labyrinth or pattern or maze is indeed an old form of > representation a kind of natural metaphors where we mankind try to explain > things and create a narrative of our origin and our aims. > I was in Palenque Yucatán in Mexico once and saw the complicated > labyrinths the Mayas reproduced on wall paintings and gardens in the middle > of the forest. > Palenque was “discovered” or found as late as in 1922 but the archeologs > and explorers say there are still many sites or cities to be discovered. > Ana > > On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 02:05, Max Herman wrote: > > > Hi Ana, > > I was thinking today or yesterday that a key feature of a labyrinth or > maze is you can't solve it in advance then speed through. You have to > experience it, and it has unpredictable or random features. This calls for > a certain being present, with a place, time, and task or activity. The > task has no purpose beyond its being experienced. > > It's also a prehistoric art form, arguably, going back to stone circles or > indigenous "medicine wheels," thus having omni-cultural aspects perhaps. > There is often a link between microcosm and macrocosm implied or stated. > I'm sure there must be electronic ways to mediate such an activity but > since digital technology makes it so easy and profitable to script an > environment, and since the body is somewhat excluded from electronic > settings, that may be more the norm in our hopefully still early stages. > > I've never been to Chartres, but Warburgs Atlas has an unscripted "place" > aspect to it, as may possibly the Berlin exhibit of Leonardo's Books by the > Planck Institute till June 28 (where the artifacts are arranged kind of > like maze they say, plus with a vortex of papers at the center, but still > there is no travel there from here). I did see the 2019 showing at the > Museo Galileo, which started off all my interest in Leonardo, so I'm > interested to see what the virtual version of the Berlin exhibit is like. > > All best, > > Max > > > https://www.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/research/exhibition/leonardos-intellectual-cosmos-2021 > > > > > -- > *From:* Ana Valdés > *Sent:* Monday, June 21, 2021 9:50 AM > *To:* NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity < > netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> > *Cc:* Max Herman > *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] Netbehaviour list renewal - happy lurker > > I was once an avid sci-fi and phantasy reader read all Game of Thrones > before the tv and the
Re: [NetBehaviour] labyrinth, maze, atlas
Hi Ana, Thank you for the great reference to Palenque Yucatan! Its an example I didn't know about and will help my understanding a lot. It's interesting that the patterns are both painted and built, comparable to some of the examples further north. In many cultures there are linguistic and musical parallels too, such as Bach's Little Harmonic Labyrinth which I learned about last year, or perhaps even an indigenous drum and song performance I heard earlier this month. In trying to process Dante's Commedia I have found he uses wheels and circles a lot, using ancient references such as Fortuna and perhaps most of all astronomy (which all eras have pondered). It's not a labyrinth per se but he starts out totally lost and needs help (from Beatrice and Virgil) to find his way. Theres a theme of "having to go through it" to get balance, of faculties being taxed and failing but learning, as well as indeterminacy which are comparable to labyrinth experiences. Interesting coincidence in Garrett's post about Daedalus! :) All best, Max From: Ana Valdés Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 8:52 AM To: Max Herman Cc: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] labyrinth, maze, atlas Thanks Max the labyrinth or pattern or maze is indeed an old form of representation a kind of natural metaphors where we mankind try to explain things and create a narrative of our origin and our aims. I was in Palenque Yucatán in Mexico once and saw the complicated labyrinths the Mayas reproduced on wall paintings and gardens in the middle of the forest. Palenque was “discovered” or found as late as in 1922 but the archeologs and explorers say there are still many sites or cities to be discovered. Ana On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 02:05, Max Herman mailto:maxnmher...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Hi Ana, I was thinking today or yesterday that a key feature of a labyrinth or maze is you can't solve it in advance then speed through. You have to experience it, and it has unpredictable or random features. This calls for a certain being present, with a place, time, and task or activity. The task has no purpose beyond its being experienced. It's also a prehistoric art form, arguably, going back to stone circles or indigenous "medicine wheels," thus having omni-cultural aspects perhaps. There is often a link between microcosm and macrocosm implied or stated. I'm sure there must be electronic ways to mediate such an activity but since digital technology makes it so easy and profitable to script an environment, and since the body is somewhat excluded from electronic settings, that may be more the norm in our hopefully still early stages. I've never been to Chartres, but Warburgs Atlas has an unscripted "place" aspect to it, as may possibly the Berlin exhibit of Leonardo's Books by the Planck Institute till June 28 (where the artifacts are arranged kind of like maze they say, plus with a vortex of papers at the center, but still there is no travel there from here). I did see the 2019 showing at the Museo Galileo, which started off all my interest in Leonardo, so I'm interested to see what the virtual version of the Berlin exhibit is like. All best, Max https://www.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/research/exhibition/leonardos-intellectual-cosmos-2021 From: Ana Valdés mailto:agora...@gmail.com>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 9:50 AM To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity mailto:netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>> Cc: Max Herman mailto:maxnmher...@hotmail.com>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Netbehaviour list renewal - happy lurker I was once an avid sci-fi and phantasy reader read all Game of Thrones before the tv and the hype :) There is a great writer Roger Zelazny who wrote several books about a parallel world, Amber. There is a maze or labyrinth and only the ones who learn to navigate the maze and go trough the maze are worth to rule. I saw the maze at the cathedral of Chartres and it’s very interesting to see how the maze was used by the Templar’s the masons and the scholars studying the Kabbala. The maze as metaphor is very powerful. Ana On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 at 11:27, Max Herman via NetBehaviour mailto:netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>> wrote: Hi Jessica and happy solstice all! The giant labyrinth sounds intriguing. A very ancient form, and so different from one person making an art object then selling it to another. Perhaps the latter is the greatest illusion of all? A distraction in a maze. Labyrinths -- well I could go on and on. You enter, like a stone circle, then exit, but in imagination too. It's like conscious meditative time, both more and less individualized. As to poetics of imagination -- very relevant too I think. Poetics is not words onl
Re: [NetBehaviour] labyrinth, maze, atlas
Thanks Max the labyrinth or pattern or maze is indeed an old form of representation a kind of natural metaphors where we mankind try to explain things and create a narrative of our origin and our aims. I was in Palenque Yucatán in Mexico once and saw the complicated labyrinths the Mayas reproduced on wall paintings and gardens in the middle of the forest. Palenque was “discovered” or found as late as in 1922 but the archeologs and explorers say there are still many sites or cities to be discovered. Ana On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 02:05, Max Herman wrote: > > Hi Ana, > > I was thinking today or yesterday that a key feature of a labyrinth or > maze is you can't solve it in advance then speed through. You have to > experience it, and it has unpredictable or random features. This calls for > a certain being present, with a place, time, and task or activity. The > task has no purpose beyond its being experienced. > > It's also a prehistoric art form, arguably, going back to stone circles or > indigenous "medicine wheels," thus having omni-cultural aspects perhaps. > There is often a link between microcosm and macrocosm implied or stated. > I'm sure there must be electronic ways to mediate such an activity but > since digital technology makes it so easy and profitable to script an > environment, and since the body is somewhat excluded from electronic > settings, that may be more the norm in our hopefully still early stages. > > I've never been to Chartres, but Warburgs Atlas has an unscripted "place" > aspect to it, as may possibly the Berlin exhibit of Leonardo's Books by the > Planck Institute till June 28 (where the artifacts are arranged kind of > like maze they say, plus with a vortex of papers at the center, but still > there is no travel there from here). I did see the 2019 showing at the > Museo Galileo, which started off all my interest in Leonardo, so I'm > interested to see what the virtual version of the Berlin exhibit is like. > > All best, > > Max > > > https://www.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/research/exhibition/leonardos-intellectual-cosmos-2021 > > > > > -- > *From:* Ana Valdés > *Sent:* Monday, June 21, 2021 9:50 AM > *To:* NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity < > netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> > *Cc:* Max Herman > *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] Netbehaviour list renewal - happy lurker > > I was once an avid sci-fi and phantasy reader read all Game of Thrones > before the tv and the hype :) > There is a great writer Roger Zelazny who wrote several books about a > parallel world, Amber. There is a maze or labyrinth and only the ones who > learn to navigate the maze and go trough the maze are worth to rule. > I saw the maze at the cathedral of Chartres and it’s very interesting to > see how the maze was used by the Templar’s the masons and the scholars > studying the Kabbala. > The maze as metaphor is very powerful. > Ana > > > On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 at 11:27, Max Herman via NetBehaviour < > netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote: > > > Hi Jessica and happy solstice all! > > The giant labyrinth sounds intriguing. A very ancient form, and so > different from one person making an art object then selling it to another. > Perhaps the latter is the greatest illusion of all? A distraction in a > maze. > > Labyrinths -- well I could go on and on. You enter, like a stone circle, > then exit, but in imagination too. It's like conscious meditative time, > both more and less individualized. > > As to poetics of imagination -- very relevant too I think. Poetics is not > words only. In Leonardo's time they called the debate between poetry and > painting, Dante and Apelles, the paragone for which is best, the paragon. > Leonardo said they are the same art form, just differently focused for the > eyes or ears in how we encounter them, both connecting to the imagination > or sensus communis within the person. I think he wanted to create a visual > counterpoint to Dante, in some ways, to demonstrate this. > > Theres a concept in meditation called "softening of vision," I think, > which is very physically noticeable in contrast to rigid, brittle, narrow > sight, I mean in the eyes. Seeing looks and feels different. Not sure how > to articulate this with brevity but there might be something like it in > sound and words too. I think of this phenomenon sometimes as a kind of > poetics perhaps or part and electronic media have an effect on my > experience of it not always for the better. > > All best regards, > > Max > -- > *From:* NetBehaviour on > behalf of Jessica May via NetBehaviour < > netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> > *Sent:* Friday, June 18, 2021 4:16 PM > *To:* NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity < > netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> > *Cc:* Jessica May > > *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] Netbehaviour list renewal - happy lurker > > I'm a new, Happy Lurker! > Introduced recently by Adam (of 'A campfire in a r
Re: [NetBehaviour] labyrinth, maze, atlas
Hi Ana, I was thinking today or yesterday that a key feature of a labyrinth or maze is you can't solve it in advance then speed through. You have to experience it, and it has unpredictable or random features. This calls for a certain being present, with a place, time, and task or activity. The task has no purpose beyond its being experienced. It's also a prehistoric art form, arguably, going back to stone circles or indigenous "medicine wheels," thus having omni-cultural aspects perhaps. There is often a link between microcosm and macrocosm implied or stated. I'm sure there must be electronic ways to mediate such an activity but since digital technology makes it so easy and profitable to script an environment, and since the body is somewhat excluded from electronic settings, that may be more the norm in our hopefully still early stages. I've never been to Chartres, but Warburgs Atlas has an unscripted "place" aspect to it, as may possibly the Berlin exhibit of Leonardo's Books by the Planck Institute till June 28 (where the artifacts are arranged kind of like maze they say, plus with a vortex of papers at the center, but still there is no travel there from here). I did see the 2019 showing at the Museo Galileo, which started off all my interest in Leonardo, so I'm interested to see what the virtual version of the Berlin exhibit is like. All best, Max https://www.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/research/exhibition/leonardos-intellectual-cosmos-2021 From: Ana Valdés Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 9:50 AM To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Cc: Max Herman Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Netbehaviour list renewal - happy lurker I was once an avid sci-fi and phantasy reader read all Game of Thrones before the tv and the hype :) There is a great writer Roger Zelazny who wrote several books about a parallel world, Amber. There is a maze or labyrinth and only the ones who learn to navigate the maze and go trough the maze are worth to rule. I saw the maze at the cathedral of Chartres and it’s very interesting to see how the maze was used by the Templar’s the masons and the scholars studying the Kabbala. The maze as metaphor is very powerful. Ana On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 at 11:27, Max Herman via NetBehaviour mailto:netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>> wrote: Hi Jessica and happy solstice all! The giant labyrinth sounds intriguing. A very ancient form, and so different from one person making an art object then selling it to another. Perhaps the latter is the greatest illusion of all? A distraction in a maze. Labyrinths -- well I could go on and on. You enter, like a stone circle, then exit, but in imagination too. It's like conscious meditative time, both more and less individualized. As to poetics of imagination -- very relevant too I think. Poetics is not words only. In Leonardo's time they called the debate between poetry and painting, Dante and Apelles, the paragone for which is best, the paragon. Leonardo said they are the same art form, just differently focused for the eyes or ears in how we encounter them, both connecting to the imagination or sensus communis within the person. I think he wanted to create a visual counterpoint to Dante, in some ways, to demonstrate this. Theres a concept in meditation called "softening of vision," I think, which is very physically noticeable in contrast to rigid, brittle, narrow sight, I mean in the eyes. Seeing looks and feels different. Not sure how to articulate this with brevity but there might be something like it in sound and words too. I think of this phenomenon sometimes as a kind of poetics perhaps or part and electronic media have an effect on my experience of it not always for the better. All best regards, Max From: NetBehaviour mailto:netbehaviour-boun...@lists.netbehaviour.org>> on behalf of Jessica May via NetBehaviour mailto:netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 4:16 PM To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity mailto:netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>> Cc: Jessica May mailto:jessmayr...@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Netbehaviour list renewal - happy lurker I'm a new, Happy Lurker! Introduced recently by Adam (of 'A campfire in a ruin in a forest' post), I myself am not very at home in the digital realm. I am a woodland creature studying for an MA in 'The Poetics of Imagination' (!) at Dartington Arts School and helping build a giant labyrinth on Bodmin moor; but I am curious about how I stay abreast of all the exciting stuff that happens online, when I don't really want to be. And curious about the net as an imaginal space for the collective mind, obvs. This list seems intriguing, delightful, non techy, and full of strange and great minds. Please keep me onboard for now, and thanks for to those who facilitate :) On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 13:47, Irini Papad
