Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: pulsating emotion organism.

2008-07-17 Thread dave miller
hi bob

you're right!

dave

2008/7/16 bob catchpole [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

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 From: dave miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 6:47:59 PM


 I think my issue is with copyright and I misunderstood at first
 thinking Markus was copyrighting the idea.

 Dave, you seem to misunderstand the nature of copyright. Ideas cannot be
 copyrighted.

 Bob





 
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: pulsating emotion organism.

2008-07-16 Thread dave miller
Hi Markus

I understand - you're not copyrighting the idea. It would help if you
made this clear on your site, as it gives the impression that your
project is your original idea, and this is what you're copyrighting.

I think your idea is very similar to mine from a couple of years back,
in my newscartoon project:
http://davemiller.org/index.php?nav_item=Gallerygallery_nav=newscartoon_v2

Sorry to sound so picky, but I've nothing against people taking ideas
so long as they give credit. And after all this is what you ask for in
your CC license.

thanks,
Dave

2008/7/16 Markus Kison [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 This is complety correct the CC licencse is meant for the documentation
 material. Thanks Pall!


 dave miller schrieb:

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 From: Pall Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/7/15
 Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] pulsating emotion organism.
 To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
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 If the CC license is meant to apply to the work itself, then it's a
 flawed application of it. The only thing that it can really apply to
 in this case is the documentation of the work. He doesn't give you any
 materials that allow you to alter, transform or build upon the work
 which would apply if there was source-code or schematics provided.
 Oh, and then there's the fact that we could both take the time to
 actually read what it says on the website, like the part where he
 states that what's copyrighted are pictures, text, video... :-)
 Pall
 On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:28 PM, dave miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:


 This project reminds me of something I did a couple of years ago:

 http://davemiller.org/index.php?nav_item=Gallerygallery_nav=newscartoon_v2

 This version without a doubt is far nicer and much more refined. In
 fact I think it looks stunning.  But I think it's essentially it's the
 same concept - basically - taking  words and phrases from live feeds
 -blogs - then converting into values and then representing those
 values. I'm sure I wasn't the first to have tried it either.

 Why the CC copyright, and is it possible to CC something that others
 have explored beforehand? Under the terms of the CC copyright we are
 allowed to share and remix the work but we must attribute the work to
 markus kison. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/

 markus - from my perspective this doesn't seem fair. You claim the
 idea for yourself as officially yours and yours alone, then insist
 that anyone else who's inspired by it must attribute you.

 Dave


 2008/7/14 marc garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 pulsating emotion organism.

 A fascinating live visualisation of recent emotional expressions written
 on the private weblogs published on blogger.com. emotional expressions
 are parsed according to a list of synonyms, which then physically
 transform an abstract shape-shifting object.

 textual expressions are assigned to 1 of 8 basic human emotions, which
 are represented as a 3D cone consisting of 24 distinct areas. this
 abstract diagram forms the basic shape of pulse, a physical object
 that is able to enlarge in 24 different directions. each time a specific
 expressionistic emotion is found in a blog entry written during the last
 minute, the shapeshifting object transforms itself, so that that the new
 physical volume represents a piece of the world's current emotional
 condition.

 more...
 http://www.markuskison.de/pulse/
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: pulsating emotion organism.

2008-07-16 Thread bob catchpole


- Original Message 

From: dave miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 6:47:59 PM


 I think my issue is with copyright and I misunderstood at first
 thinking Markus was copyrighting the idea. 

Dave, you seem to misunderstand the nature of copyright. Ideas cannot be 
copyrighted.

Bob


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