Re: fwohci users, anyone ?
On Thu, 22 Oct 2020, John D. Baker wrote:
> IBM ThinkCenter with a FireWire card installed. In each case, the
> -current/i386 as they require less digging and scratching to set up
Dug out the ThinkCentre S51 to build packages for netbsd-9/i386 and
-current/i386 (9.99.75). While the internal disk had enough space
for building most packages, "qemu" and "openjdk11" ran out of space.
I switched their ${WRKOBJDIR} to a FireWire-connected disk and it has
been working just fine.
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Re: fwohci users, anyone ?
On Thu 22 Oct 2020 at 14:05:26 +0200, Hauke Fath wrote: > On 2020-10-21 15:29, Michael van Elst wrote: > > Is anyone using firewire hardware ? In particular for mass storage ? > > I would love to, but - has it ever been usable? My first laptop, almost 20 years ago I guess, had very slow USB and FireWire. Back then it worked fine, but I haven't tried it again once I switched to a different laptop. -Olaf. -- Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert -- rhialto at falu dot nl ___ Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on \X/ no account be allowed to do the job. --Douglas Adams, "THGTTG" signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: fwohci users, anyone ?
On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:29:22 - (UTC), mlelstv%serpens.de@localhost (Michael van Elst) wrote: > Is anyone using firewire hardware ? In particular for mass storage ? I use it on occasion and when I do it's with mass storage (hard disk, CD/DVD-RW drive). Mostly on i386, some amd64, and occasionally on macppc (how ironic!). I think the last time I needed to use this setup was under NetBSD-7. In the i386 case, an IBM Thinkpad A31p which has fwohci built in and an IBM ThinkCenter with a FireWire card installed. In each case, the machine's interal disk is just barely big enough for the OS and a few select packages, so I used the firewire disk for source trees, build space and the like. Also had the DVD-RW drive daisy chained from the hard disk on each (internal optical drive CD-RW only). Never had a problem with it. I assume the sparc host is PCI based (an SBUS 1394 card would be neat). I have some Ultra 5s I could put a FireWire card in but they are in not-easily-accessible storage. (Nevermind scratching out workspace to set one up.) I can dig out my firewire enclosures and try them on netbsd-9/amd64, -current/amd64, and -current/macppc. Possibly also netbsd-9/i386 and -current/i386 as they require less digging and scratching to set up and test. I've heard of some 1394 peripheral interface ICs being finicky... -- |/"\ John D. Baker, KN5UKS NetBSD Darwin/MacOS X |\ / jdbaker[snail]consolidated[flyspeck]net OpenBSDFreeBSD | X No HTML/proprietary data in email. BSD just sits there and works! |/ \ GPGkeyID: D703 4A7E 479F 63F8 D3F4 BD99 9572 8F23 E4AD 1645
Re: fwohci users, anyone ?
On 2020-10-21 15:29, Michael van Elst wrote: Is anyone using firewire hardware ? In particular for mass storage ? I would love to, but - has it ever been usable? Attaching a firewire disk to % uname -a NetBSD Gstoder 9.99.48 NetBSD 9.99.48 (GA-MA770-UD3-$Revision$) #0: Thu Oct 22 12:43:04 CEST 2020 hf@Hochstuhl:/var/obj/netbsd-builds/developer/amd64/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GA-MA770-UD3 amd64 % results in [ 3628.304008] fwohci0: BUS reset [ 3628.304008] fwohci0: node_id=0x8800ffc0, gen=3, non CYCLEMASTER mode [ 3628.304008] ieee1394if0: 2 nodes, maxhop <= 1 cable IRM irm(0) (me) [ 3628.304008] ieee1394if0: root node is not cycle master capable [ 3628.304008] ieee1394if0: bus manager 0 [ 3628.304008] fwohci0: autoconfiguration error: too many cycle lost, no cycle master present? [ 3628.554096] fwohci0: autoconfiguration error: txd err=14 ack busy_X [ 3628.554096] ieee1394if0: autoconfiguration error: node1: explore_read_quads failure [ 3628.554096] fwohci0: autoconfiguration error: txd err=14 ack busy_X [ 3628.554096] ieee1394if0: autoconfiguration error: node1: explore_read_quads failure [ 3628.554096] fwohci0: autoconfiguration error: txd err=14 ack busy_X [ 3628.554096] ieee1394if0: autoconfiguration error: node1: explore_read_quads failure [ 3655.923722] fwohci0: BUS reset [ 3655.923722] fwohci0: node_id=0xc800ffc0, gen=4, CYCLEMASTER mode [ 3655.923722] ieee1394if0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0 cable IRM irm(0) (me) [ 3655.923722] ieee1394if0: bus manager 0 [ 3657.204171] fwohci0: BUS reset [ 3657.204171] fwohci0: node_id=0x8800ffc0, gen=6, non CYCLEMASTER mode [ 3657.204171] ieee1394if0: 2 nodes, maxhop <= 1 cable IRM irm(0) (me) [ 3657.204171] ieee1394if0: root node is not cycle master capable [ 3657.204171] ieee1394if0: bus manager 0 [ 3657.204171] fwohci0: autoconfiguration error: too many cycle lost, no cycle master present? [ 3657.454259] fwohci0: autoconfiguration error: txd err=14 ack busy_X [ 3657.454259] ieee1394if0: autoconfiguration error: node1: explore_read_quads failure [ 3657.454259] fwohci0: autoconfiguration error: txd err=14 ack busy_X [ 3657.454259] ieee1394if0: autoconfiguration error: node1: explore_read_quads failure [ 3657.454259] fwohci0: autoconfiguration error: txd err=14 ack busy_X [ 3657.454259] ieee1394if0: autoconfiguration error: node1: explore_read_quads failure [ 3700.549400] fwohci0: BUS reset [ 3700.549400] fwohci0: node_id=0xc800ffc0, gen=7, CYCLEMASTER mode [ 3700.549400] ieee1394if0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0 cable IRM irm(0) (me) [ 3700.549400] ieee1394if0: bus manager 0 [ 3701.819846] fwohci0: BUS reset [ 3701.819846] fwohci0: node_id=0x8800ffc0, gen=9, non CYCLEMASTER mode [ 3701.829849] ieee1394if0: 2 nodes, maxhop <= 1 cable IRM irm(0) (me) [ 3701.829849] ieee1394if0: root node is not cycle master capable [ 3701.829849] ieee1394if0: bus manager 0 [ 3701.829849] fwohci0: autoconfiguration error: too many cycle lost, no cycle master present? -- not anything that I would trust data with. Cheerio, Hauke -- The ASCII Ribbon CampaignHauke Fath () No HTML/RTF in email Institut für Nachrichtentechnik /\ No Word docs in email TU Darmstadt Respect for open standards Ruf +49-6151-16-21344
Re: fwohci users, anyone ?
On 21/10/2020 16:47, Michael van Elst wrote: mpumf...@mudcovered.org.uk (Mike Pumford) writes: I'm trying it with a Sparc workstation running -current. It doesn't look very stable there. It would be interesting to find a hardware combination where it does work reliably. Okay. I'll see if I can remember where I've got that disk enclosure tucked away and test it this weekend. Mike
Re: fwohci users, anyone ?
mpumf...@mudcovered.org.uk (Mike Pumford) writes: >On 21/10/2020 14:29, Michael van Elst wrote: >> Is anyone using firewire hardware ? In particular for mass storage ? >> >I'm not using it on a regular basis but I do have systems with hardware >and a mass storage enclosure I could attach to them. Currently the >firewire equipped systems are 8.2-STABLE amd64 and I think 9.0-STABLE >i386. I can easily try current on the i386 system but I'd be more >reluctant to do so on the amd64 one as its my primary file server. I'm trying it with a Sparc workstation running -current. It doesn't look very stable there. It would be interesting to find a hardware combination where it does work reliably. -- -- Michael van Elst Internet: mlel...@serpens.de "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
Re: fwohci users, anyone ?
On 21/10/2020 14:29, Michael van Elst wrote: Is anyone using firewire hardware ? In particular for mass storage ? I'm not using it on a regular basis but I do have systems with hardware and a mass storage enclosure I could attach to them. Currently the firewire equipped systems are 8.2-STABLE amd64 and I think 9.0-STABLE i386. I can easily try current on the i386 system but I'd be more reluctant to do so on the amd64 one as its my primary file server. Mike
