Re: GTK UI and JDK 11

[Aldo Brucale]

I have tried to change the font hinting policy from "Slight" to "Full" on
Ubuntu 18.04 (installing a "gnome-tweak" package) but it doesn't seem to
affect the Netbeans fonts at all (or any other ui fonts, for that
matter)...
With the "gasp" setting I'm still getting anti-aliased fonts in the nb
editor and output windows, but not in the other swing components (menus,
labels, tree views, buttons, etc.)


On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 18:58, Laszlo Kishalmi 
wrote:

> Well, according to the release notes the default setting on Windows should
> be "gasp" and on Linux should be "on", If you switch it to "gasp" on Linux
> then the anti-aliasing is gone.
>
> On linux the rendering is also affected by the desktop font hinting
> policy, which (I do not know why) at least on Ubuntu is set to "Slight" If
> you set it to "Moderate" or "Full" the whole Linux UI got a better look
> including NetBeans fonts.
>
> (Of course you need to use fonts which provides hints.)
> On 11/6/18 9:20 AM, Aldo Brucale wrote:
>
> I've found this answer on stackoverflow
>  suggesting to set
> -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=gasp. This setting seems to completely
> disable font anti-aliasing for all the UI elements, but to me it looks
> better than the other options. The anti-aliasing of the editor and output
> window fonts still doesn't look as good as it used to, but it's definitely
> usable.
>
> On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 12:15, Aldo Brucale  wrote:
>
>> I've added a few screenshots to NETBEANS-1344
>> 
>>
>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 at 18:07, Laszlo Kishalmi 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Could you attach screenshots to
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344  showing the
>>> difference between using Java 8, Java 10  and (Java 11 + 
>>> -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2
>>> and -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on)
>>>
>>> I've just tested with Ubuntu 18.10 on Gnome 3 desktop. NetBeans is kind
>>> of ugly even with the recommended settings. Using Unity Desktop it looks as
>>> gorgeous as before. In order to look consistently good, you need to use
>>> something else than GTK LAF. Darcula works well.
>>>
>>> On 10/18/2018 04:00 AM, Aldo Brucale wrote:
>>>
>>> On Ubuntu 18.04 I've tried to set both -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 and
>>> -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on: Netbeans surely looks better, but
>>> still not enough for my daily work. Except for the tests, I'll stick with
>>> Java 8 or 10 for now.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:00, Neil C Smith 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 06:51, Laszlo Kishalmi <
 laszlo.kisha...@gmail.com> wrote:
 > Blame JDK and Gnome.

 I realise there are some open JDK bugs, but are we sure how much is
 JDK?  There's a lot of stuff going on in o.n.swing.plaf - just
 wondering if there's stuff going on in GtkLFCustoms that's making
 assumptions that no longer apply with GTK3?


 https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/master/platform/o.n.swing.plaf/src/org/netbeans/swing/plaf/gtk

 Best wishes,

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Re: GTK UI and JDK 11

[Laszlo Kishalmi]

Well, according to the release notes the default setting on Windows 
should be "gasp" and on Linux should be "on", If you switch it to "gasp" 
on Linux then the anti-aliasing is gone.


On linux the rendering is also affected by the desktop font hinting 
policy, which (I do not know why) at least on Ubuntu is set to "Slight" 
If you set it to "Moderate" or "Full" the whole Linux UI got a better 
look including NetBeans fonts.


(Of course you need to use fonts which provides hints.)

On 11/6/18 9:20 AM, Aldo Brucale wrote:
I've found this answer on stackoverflow 
 suggesting to set 
-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=gasp. This setting seems to completely 
disable font anti-aliasing for all the UI elements, but to me it looks 
better than the other options. The anti-aliasing of the editor and 
output window fonts still doesn't look as good as it used to, but it's 
definitely usable.


On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 12:15, Aldo Brucale > wrote:


I've added a few screenshots to NETBEANS-1344



On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 at 18:07, Laszlo Kishalmi
mailto:laszlo.kisha...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Could you attach screenshots to
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344 showing
the difference between using Java 8, Java 10 and (Java 11 +
-J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 and -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on)

I've just tested with Ubuntu 18.10 on Gnome 3 desktop.
NetBeans is kind of ugly even with the recommended settings.
Using Unity Desktop it looks as gorgeous as before. In order
to look consistently good, you need to use something else than
GTK LAF. Darcula works well.


On 10/18/2018 04:00 AM, Aldo Brucale wrote:

On Ubuntu 18.04 I've tried to set both
-J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 and
-J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on: Netbeans surely looks
better, but still not enough for my daily work. Except for
the tests, I'll stick with Java 8 or 10 for now.

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:00, Neil C Smith
mailto:neilcsm...@apache.org>> wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 06:51, Laszlo Kishalmi
mailto:laszlo.kisha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Blame JDK and Gnome.

I realise there are some open JDK bugs, but are we sure
how much is
JDK?  There's a lot of stuff going on in o.n.swing.plaf -
just
wondering if there's stuff going on in GtkLFCustoms
that's making
assumptions that no longer apply with GTK3?


https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/master/platform/o.n.swing.plaf/src/org/netbeans/swing/plaf/gtk

Best wishes,

Neil


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Re: GTK UI and JDK 11

[Aldo Brucale]

I've found this answer on stackoverflow
 suggesting to set
-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=gasp. This setting seems to completely
disable font anti-aliasing for all the UI elements, but to me it looks
better than the other options. The anti-aliasing of the editor and output
window fonts still doesn't look as good as it used to, but it's definitely
usable.

On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 12:15, Aldo Brucale  wrote:

> I've added a few screenshots to NETBEANS-1344
> 
>
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 at 18:07, Laszlo Kishalmi 
> wrote:
>
>> Could you attach screenshots to
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344  showing the
>> difference between using Java 8, Java 10  and (Java 11 + 
>> -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2
>> and -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on)
>>
>> I've just tested with Ubuntu 18.10 on Gnome 3 desktop. NetBeans is kind
>> of ugly even with the recommended settings. Using Unity Desktop it looks as
>> gorgeous as before. In order to look consistently good, you need to use
>> something else than GTK LAF. Darcula works well.
>>
>> On 10/18/2018 04:00 AM, Aldo Brucale wrote:
>>
>> On Ubuntu 18.04 I've tried to set both -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 and
>> -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on: Netbeans surely looks better, but
>> still not enough for my daily work. Except for the tests, I'll stick with
>> Java 8 or 10 for now.
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:00, Neil C Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 06:51, Laszlo Kishalmi 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Blame JDK and Gnome.
>>>
>>> I realise there are some open JDK bugs, but are we sure how much is
>>> JDK?  There's a lot of stuff going on in o.n.swing.plaf - just
>>> wondering if there's stuff going on in GtkLFCustoms that's making
>>> assumptions that no longer apply with GTK3?
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/master/platform/o.n.swing.plaf/src/org/netbeans/swing/plaf/gtk
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Neil
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Re: GTK UI and JDK 11

[Aldo Brucale]

I've added a few screenshots to NETBEANS-1344


On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 at 18:07, Laszlo Kishalmi 
wrote:

> Could you attach screenshots to
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344  showing the
> difference between using Java 8, Java 10  and (Java 11 + 
> -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2
> and -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on)
>
> I've just tested with Ubuntu 18.10 on Gnome 3 desktop. NetBeans is kind of
> ugly even with the recommended settings. Using Unity Desktop it looks as
> gorgeous as before. In order to look consistently good, you need to use
> something else than GTK LAF. Darcula works well.
>
> On 10/18/2018 04:00 AM, Aldo Brucale wrote:
>
> On Ubuntu 18.04 I've tried to set both -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 and
> -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on: Netbeans surely looks better, but
> still not enough for my daily work. Except for the tests, I'll stick with
> Java 8 or 10 for now.
>
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:00, Neil C Smith  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 06:51, Laszlo Kishalmi 
>> wrote:
>> > Blame JDK and Gnome.
>>
>> I realise there are some open JDK bugs, but are we sure how much is
>> JDK?  There's a lot of stuff going on in o.n.swing.plaf - just
>> wondering if there's stuff going on in GtkLFCustoms that's making
>> assumptions that no longer apply with GTK3?
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/master/platform/o.n.swing.plaf/src/org/netbeans/swing/plaf/gtk
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Neil
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Re: GTK UI and JDK 11

[Laszlo Kishalmi]

Could you attach screenshots to 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344  showing the 
difference between using Java 8, Java 10  and (Java 11 + 
-J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 and -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on)


I've just tested with Ubuntu 18.10 on Gnome 3 desktop. NetBeans is kind 
of ugly even with the recommended settings. Using Unity Desktop it looks 
as gorgeous as before. In order to look consistently good, you need to 
use something else than GTK LAF. Darcula works well.



On 10/18/2018 04:00 AM, Aldo Brucale wrote:
On Ubuntu 18.04 I've tried to set both -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 and 
-J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on: Netbeans surely looks better, but 
still not enough for my daily work. Except for the tests, I'll stick 
with Java 8 or 10 for now.


On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:00, Neil C Smith > wrote:


On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 06:51, Laszlo Kishalmi
mailto:laszlo.kisha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Blame JDK and Gnome.

I realise there are some open JDK bugs, but are we sure how much is
JDK?  There's a lot of stuff going on in o.n.swing.plaf - just
wondering if there's stuff going on in GtkLFCustoms that's making
assumptions that no longer apply with GTK3?


https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/master/platform/o.n.swing.plaf/src/org/netbeans/swing/plaf/gtk

Best wishes,

Neil

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Re: GTK UI and JDK 11

[Laszlo Kishalmi]

Blame JDK and Gnome.


On 10/16/2018 09:08 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:

hmmm, just for me to know whom to curse; is this JDK's fault or Netbeans
fault? or all of the above?

On 10/15/18 8:59 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:

Well, hopefully it get fixed in JDK 12

(And maybe backported to this LTS)

Thill then I guess raise this issue as blocker and we are going to
force Gnone 2 to default.


On 10/15/2018 04:55 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:

Yes, I can confirm it works. The GTK3 look has potential though.

On 10/15/18 8:47 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:

Could you confirm, that the proposed workaroung
-J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 works?


On 10/15/2018 04:31 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:

Thanks Lazlo. Just updated it with my screenshots. This is very
important. Usability issues aside; I wouldn't show Netbeans at my
IntelIJ-shop office as it is.

On 10/15/18 7:46 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:

Found the JIRA as well:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344


On 10/15/2018 03:15 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:

Is there anyone looking at Netbeans in Linux, GTK L and JDK 11? In
general it's beautiful, but there are a few annoyances. I can upload
some before/after pictures or create a new Jira ticket if there's
none yet.


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Re: GTK UI and JDK 11

[Alied Pérez Martínez]

hmmm, just for me to know whom to curse; is this JDK's fault or Netbeans
fault? or all of the above?

On 10/15/18 8:59 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
> Well, hopefully it get fixed in JDK 12
>
> (And maybe backported to this LTS)
>
> Thill then I guess raise this issue as blocker and we are going to
> force Gnone 2 to default.
>
>
> On 10/15/2018 04:55 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:
>> Yes, I can confirm it works. The GTK3 look has potential though.
>>
>> On 10/15/18 8:47 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
>>> Could you confirm, that the proposed workaroung
>>> -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 works?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/15/2018 04:31 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:
 Thanks Lazlo. Just updated it with my screenshots. This is very
 important. Usability issues aside; I wouldn't show Netbeans at my
 IntelIJ-shop office as it is.

 On 10/15/18 7:46 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
> Found the JIRA as well:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344
>
>
> On 10/15/2018 03:15 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:
>> Is there anyone looking at Netbeans in Linux, GTK L and JDK 11? In
>> general it's beautiful, but there are a few annoyances. I can upload
>> some before/after pictures or create a new Jira ticket if there's
>> none yet.
>>
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Re: GTK UI and JDK 11

[Alexander Romanenko]

I dont think this is a matter of fixing in Java.
Problem is, Gnome 3 went towards touch UI, flat style, etc. You can see
that in large dropdown buttons and flat tabs. To see that better can login
to or find gnome 3 screenshots. Of course, that style does not fit well
with Swing.
I am not sure what is guarantee of GTK2 being shipped in distance future,
so this could be a problem eventually.  I am also curious, if it looks
better if finding alternative GTK3 themes.

пн, 15 окт. 2018 г. в 20:00, Laszlo Kishalmi :

> Well, hopefully it get fixed in JDK 12
>
> (And maybe backported to this LTS)
>
> Thill then I guess raise this issue as blocker and we are going to force
> Gnone 2 to default.
>
>
> On 10/15/2018 04:55 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:
> > Yes, I can confirm it works. The GTK3 look has potential though.
> >
> > On 10/15/18 8:47 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
> >> Could you confirm, that the proposed workaroung
> >> -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 works?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/15/2018 04:31 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:
> >>> Thanks Lazlo. Just updated it with my screenshots. This is very
> >>> important. Usability issues aside; I wouldn't show Netbeans at my
> >>> IntelIJ-shop office as it is.
> >>>
> >>> On 10/15/18 7:46 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
>  Found the JIRA as well:
>  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344
> 
> 
>  On 10/15/2018 03:15 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:
> > Is there anyone looking at Netbeans in Linux, GTK L and JDK 11? In
> > general it's beautiful, but there are a few annoyances. I can upload
> > some before/after pictures or create a new Jira ticket if there's
> > none yet.
> >
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Re: GTK UI and JDK 11

[Laszlo Kishalmi]

Well, hopefully it get fixed in JDK 12

(And maybe backported to this LTS)

Thill then I guess raise this issue as blocker and we are going to force 
Gnone 2 to default.



On 10/15/2018 04:55 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:

Yes, I can confirm it works. The GTK3 look has potential though.

On 10/15/18 8:47 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:

Could you confirm, that the proposed workaroung
-J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 works?


On 10/15/2018 04:31 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:

Thanks Lazlo. Just updated it with my screenshots. This is very
important. Usability issues aside; I wouldn't show Netbeans at my
IntelIJ-shop office as it is.

On 10/15/18 7:46 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:

Found the JIRA as well:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344


On 10/15/2018 03:15 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:

Is there anyone looking at Netbeans in Linux, GTK L and JDK 11? In
general it's beautiful, but there are a few annoyances. I can upload
some before/after pictures or create a new Jira ticket if there's
none yet.


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Re: GTK UI and JDK 11

[Alied Pérez Martínez]

Yes, I can confirm it works. The GTK3 look has potential though.

On 10/15/18 8:47 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
> Could you confirm, that the proposed workaroung
> -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 works?
>
>
> On 10/15/2018 04:31 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:
>> Thanks Lazlo. Just updated it with my screenshots. This is very
>> important. Usability issues aside; I wouldn't show Netbeans at my
>> IntelIJ-shop office as it is.
>>
>> On 10/15/18 7:46 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
>>> Found the JIRA as well:
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/15/2018 03:15 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:
 Is there anyone looking at Netbeans in Linux, GTK L and JDK 11? In
 general it's beautiful, but there are a few annoyances. I can upload
 some before/after pictures or create a new Jira ticket if there's
 none yet.

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Re: GTK UI and JDK 11

[Laszlo Kishalmi]

Could you confirm, that the proposed workaroung -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 
works?



On 10/15/2018 04:31 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:

Thanks Lazlo. Just updated it with my screenshots. This is very
important. Usability issues aside; I wouldn't show Netbeans at my
IntelIJ-shop office as it is.

On 10/15/18 7:46 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:

Found the JIRA as well:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344


On 10/15/2018 03:15 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:

Is there anyone looking at Netbeans in Linux, GTK L and JDK 11? In
general it's beautiful, but there are a few annoyances. I can upload
some before/after pictures or create a new Jira ticket if there's
none yet.



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Re: GTK UI and JDK 11

[Alied Pérez Martínez]

Thanks Lazlo. Just updated it with my screenshots. This is very
important. Usability issues aside; I wouldn't show Netbeans at my
IntelIJ-shop office as it is.

On 10/15/18 7:46 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
> Found the JIRA as well:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344
>
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> On 10/15/2018 03:15 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:
>> Is there anyone looking at Netbeans in Linux, GTK L and JDK 11? In
>> general it's beautiful, but there are a few annoyances. I can upload
>> some before/after pictures or create a new Jira ticket if there's
>> none yet.
>>
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Re: GTK UI and JDK 11

[Laszlo Kishalmi]

Found the JIRA as well: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344


On 10/15/2018 03:15 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:

Is there anyone looking at Netbeans in Linux, GTK L and JDK 11? In
general it's beautiful, but there are a few annoyances. I can upload
some before/after pictures or create a new Jira ticket if there's none yet.




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Re: GTK UI and JDK 11

[Laszlo Kishalmi]

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Look+and+Feel+Issues

There is no JIRA issues created so far though.
On Ubuntu it is not beautiful at all.



On 10/15/2018 03:15 PM, Alied Pérez Martínez wrote:

Is there anyone looking at Netbeans in Linux, GTK L and JDK 11? In
general it's beautiful, but there are a few annoyances. I can upload
some before/after pictures or create a new Jira ticket if there's none yet.




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