[DISCUSS] Merging back netcat@ into the dev@ mailing list
Hello, I believe all the Apache NetBeans contributors should use the dev@ mailing list. The dev@ mailing list is our Apache 'central square' so to speak and even if we don't work on the same particular issue, we should get to know each-other, at least by name. The separate netcat@ mailing list is splitting the contributor community. I think initially netcat@ was created because it might have too much traffic. But looking at the archives I see dev@ has an average of 460 emails per month while netcat@ is much more spiky and reached its maximum of 350 emails during March while now it's at 30-40 emails per month. Of course, emails are grouped into threads / topics so they are easier to follow or ignore. Thus, the load is not that much. Personally, I was surprised a while back how familiar Efrem Mc was on the dev@ mailing list and I just didn't know who he was. Turns out, he is much more active in NetCAT but I was not subscribed to netcat@ at that time. Enthusiasm is contagious and if people doing NetCAT care a lot about something it will spill into development interest too. And a development problem might invite some second look from quality acceptance. So my suggestion is to bring all NetCAT communication onto the dev@ mailing list. I would like to hear your opinion and I hope that at the end we'll have a VOTE about this. PS: I'm crossposting this to both the dev@ and the netcat@ mailing list. --emi - To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: [DISCUSS] Merging back netcat@ into the dev@ mailing list
> Either way, it does need to be clear any dev decisions or direction needs > to go to dev@ as netcat is not the place for community votes. NetCAT members have to become aware of and get involved in voting. It's also harder, for example, suggesting a new committer from NetCAT if (s)he is only visible on netcat@. > It makes sense that everyone on dev@ is subscribed to netcat@, but does the > reverse also apply? At least for voting, they should be. But even general development concerns might be of interest to netcat@ people and they could give their own feedback on it. And their names must show up often enough we get to know each-other. It's easy to delete / archive an email thread you don't care about afterwards. > Be interested in the input of anyone on > netcat@ who is not on the dev@ list, and the reasons behind that, > before any vote on this. I'm also waiting on this. --emi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 25 June 2018 11:35 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: > On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 at 23:07, Wade Chandler wadechand...@apache.org wrote: > > > That said, it would be good to see the netcat members view on it. One can > > > > certainly contribute there without all the dev@ noise if they like it, so > > > > from their view, it may not be so simple. I really think that should have > > > > some weight. > > Re-adding netcat@ (ironically! ;-) ) > > I agree with you that the opinion of the netcat@ list is important. > > If part of the point of NetCAT is to engage active / experienced users > > in testing, then does bringing that conversation into dev@ discourage > > that or not? > > It makes sense that everyone on dev@ is subscribed to netcat@, but > > does the reverse also apply? Be interested in the input of anyone on > > netcat@ who is not on the dev@ list, and the reasons behind that, > > before any vote on this. > > Best wishes, > > Neil > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: [DISCUSS] Merging back netcat@ into the dev@ mailing list
> I think this discussion should take place on the NetCAT mailing list only > -- and personally I'm not sure that it is the most urgent discussion at > this point. I think this further proves it's a bad idea to have multiple mailing lists. We aren't even capable of having a discussion involving the whole community! > Having a dedicated community focused on testing has always been a good > thing -- whatever we do, we mustn't lose those dedicated people who have > been so valuable and enthusiastic over many years. Nobody is trying to scare NetCAT folks, that's a given. Seems to me that NetCAT just continued work as if nothing happened: they got their Synergy VM, a separate mailing list and continued as before. But the Apache move is not a small thing and NetCAT should also adapt. If anything, NetCAT's role might be better than ever, but we have to discuss about this first. --emi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 26 June 2018 10:53 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > I think this discussion should take place on the NetCAT mailing list only > > -- and personally I'm not sure that it is the most urgent discussion at > > this point. > > Having a dedicated community focused on testing has always been a good > > thing -- whatever we do, we mustn't lose those dedicated people who have > > been so valuable and enthusiastic over many years. > > And many thanks John McDonnell for the proposed possible release cycle -- > > to me it looks good and makes sense, maybe this could be put on the Wiki, > > and discussed in a separate thread. > > Gj > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > > wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 12:46 AM Antonio anto...@vieiro.net wrote: > > > > > ... Has anybody asked them about this merge? What do they think?... > > > > The original post in this thread was cross-posted to both dev and netcat > > > > lists. > > > > -Bertrand > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
NetBeans 9.0 VC2 build artefacts uploaded to dist.apache.org for NetCAT
Hi all, This is NOT a PPMC vote thread, DO NOT VOTE! Build artefacts for NetCAT are available here: https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-vc2 Rat report: https://builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-release/328/artifact/rat-java-temp/nbbuild/build/rat-report.txt Release specific wiki page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Final+Release PS: Jumped to VC2 because VC1 didn't have the title bar right so I never announced it on the mailing list. --emi - To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Fw: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 3]
@netcat: please use the bellow VC3 build for testing. --emi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 8 July 2018 12:40 PM, Emilian Bold wrote: > Hi all, > > Please vote on releasing Apache NetBeans 9.0 (incubating)! > > If this voting candidate passes, another similar voting will be started on > gene...@incubator.apache.org, and if that passes too, then we can release > this version. This build will also undergo validation through NetCAT. > > Apache NetBeans 9.0 (incubating) constitutes all the modules in the Apache > NetBeans Git repo, which together provide the NetBeans Platform (i.e., the > underlying application framework), as well as all the modules that provide > the Java SE-related features of Apache NetBeans. > > In short, Apache NetBeans 9.0 (incubating) is a full IDE for Java SE > development. > > Build artifacts available here: > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-vc3 > > The specific artifact to be voted on: > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-vc3/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-source.zip > > Included in the above are the DEPENDENCIES, DISCLAIMER, LICENSE, and NOTICE > files, as well as a README file with build instructions, which are the same > as these: > > https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-netbeans.git;a=blob_plain;f=README.md;h=eccd3c6cc707ba9ca219bcfb72979435d85f5f7a;hb=97904961e496383d6150aef9b78fa8dff8f3e1ce > > SHA1: ed2098c173460ec81f05635055066da06a7ea82b > > KEYS file: > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/KEYS > > Apache NetBeans Git Repo tag: 9.0-vc3 : > > https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-netbeans.git;a=tag;h=refs/tags/9.0-vc3 > > Note: NetBeans license violation checks are managed via the > rat-exclusions.txt file: > > https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-netbeans.git;a=blob;f=nbbuild/rat-exclusions.txt;h=36cb8a3eae40bd7fc41c63c6055bce42f7916859;hb=97904961e496383d6150aef9b78fa8dff8f3e1ce > > Rat report shows no unknown licenses, except for license files: > > https://builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-release/334/artifact/rat-java-temp/nbbuild/build/rat-report.txt > > Included as a convenience binary, not relevant for the voting purposes (unzip > it, run it and you'll see Apache NetBeans): > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-vc3/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-bin.zip > > Also included as a convenience binary the NBMs: > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-vc3/nbms > > New & Noteworthy features of the 9.0 Release: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+New+and+Noteworthy > > Release specific wiki page: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Final+Release > > How (and what) to try out the release: > > 1. Download the artifact to be voted on and unzip it. > 2. Verify the cryptographic signatures, the NOTICE and LICENSE file > 3. Build it using the README provided by the artifact. > 4. Look in nbbuild/netbeans for the NetBeans installation created by the > build process. > 5. Run the NetBeans executable and (if you're running on JDK 8) you'll be > prompted to install nb-javac, after agreeing to its licensing terms, and (if > you're running on JDK 9), you'll be able to use javac directly from JDK 9 > and, optionally, you'll be prompted to install nb-javac, after agreeing to > its licensing terms. > > If the above succeeds, i.e., Apache NetBeans installs and starts up vote > +1 in this thread. > > Note that according to > http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#release-approval : > > > > Before casting +1 binding votes, individuals are REQUIRED to download all > > > > signed source code packages onto their own hardware, verify that they meet > > > > all requirements of ASF policy on releases as described below, validate all > > > > cryptographic signatures, compile as provided, and test the result on their > > > > own platform. > > Please try out the package, using the instructions above, and vote! > > The vote is open for a minimum of 72 hours or until the necessary number of > votes (3 binding +1s) is reached. > > [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache NetBeans 9.0 (incubating) > > [ ] 0 I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm okay with the release > > [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... > > P
Re: Fw: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 3]
David, please vote on dev@ I only forwarded this email to netcat@ so the proper build is tested (vc3 and not vc2). --emi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 9 July 2018 2:13 PM, David Heffelfinger wrote: > +1 > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 4:24 AM Emilian Bold > wrote: > > > @netcat: please use the bellow VC3 build for testing. > > > > --emi > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > On 8 July 2018 12:40 PM, Emilian Bold wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > Please vote on releasing Apache NetBeans 9.0 (incubating)! > > > > > > > > > > If this voting candidate passes, another similar voting will be started > > > on gene...@incubator.apache.org, and if that passes too, then we can > > > release this version. This build will also undergo validation through > > > NetCAT. > > > > > > > > > > Apache NetBeans 9.0 (incubating) constitutes all the modules in the > > > Apache NetBeans Git repo, which together provide the NetBeans Platform > > > (i.e., the underlying application framework), as well as all the modules > > > that provide the Java SE-related features of Apache NetBeans. > > > > > > > > > > In short, Apache NetBeans 9.0 (incubating) is a full IDE for Java SE > > > development. > > > > > > > > > > Build artifacts available here: > > > > > > > > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-vc3 > > > > > > > > > > The specific artifact to be voted on: > > > > > > > > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-vc3/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-source.zip > > > > > > > > > > Included in the above are the DEPENDENCIES, DISCLAIMER, LICENSE, and > > > NOTICE files, as well as a README file with build instructions, which are > > > the same as these: > > > > > > > > > > https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-netbeans.git;a=blob_plain;f=README.md;h=eccd3c6cc707ba9ca219bcfb72979435d85f5f7a;hb=97904961e496383d6150aef9b78fa8dff8f3e1ce > > > > > > > > > > SHA1: ed2098c173460ec81f05635055066da06a7ea82b > > > > > > > > > > KEYS file: > > > > > > > > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/KEYS > > > > > > > > > > Apache NetBeans Git Repo tag: 9.0-vc3 : > > > > > > > > > > https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-netbeans.git;a=tag;h=refs/tags/9.0-vc3 > > > > > > > > > > Note: NetBeans license violation checks are managed via the > > > rat-exclusions.txt file: > > > > > > > > > > https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-netbeans.git;a=blob;f=nbbuild/rat-exclusions.txt;h=36cb8a3eae40bd7fc41c63c6055bce42f7916859;hb=97904961e496383d6150aef9b78fa8dff8f3e1ce > > > > > > > > > > Rat report shows no unknown licenses, except for license files: > > > > > > > > > > https://builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-release/334/artifact/rat-java-temp/nbbuild/build/rat-report.txt > > > > > > > > > > Included as a convenience binary, not relevant for the voting purposes > > > (unzip it, run it and you'll see Apache NetBeans): > > > > > > > > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-vc3/incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-bin.zip > > > > > > > > > > Also included as a convenience binary the NBMs: > > > > > > > > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-vc3/nbms > > > > > > > > > > New & Noteworthy features of the 9.0 Release: > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+New+and+Noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > Release specific wiki page: > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Final+Release > > > > > > > > > > How (and what) to try out the release: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Download the artifact to be voted on and unzip it. > > > >
Fw: I have started the vote thread on general@ incubator mailing list
[Forgot to add netcat@ to the CC] ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 24 July 2018 8:36 AM, Emilian Bold wrote: > Hello, > > I have started the IPMC vote thread > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ab58e2c75d260a91851d8def412b1ef6648aaf4f690b205aaaf53924@ > > Only IPMC votes are binding but general community votes are also nice. So, > don't mind voting there too. > > We already have 2 votes from our mentors, we only need another vote to have > the release. > > Voting ends in 5 days (end of this week) so we could have the proper release > this Sunday! > > --emi - To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: I have started the vote thread on general@ incubator mailing list
It’s https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ab58e2c75d260a91851d8def412b1ef6648aaf4f690b205aaaf53924@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E Not sure why it doesn’t work. Maybe I was logged in? --emi Pe 24 iul. 2018, la 11:17, Jiří Kovalský a scris: > Can anyone access that link? For me it says it either does not exist or I am > not entitled to see it. :( > > -Jirka > > Dne 24.7.2018 v 07:36 Emilian Bold napsal(a): > >> [Forgot to add netcat@ to the CC] >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >>> On 24 July 2018 8:36 AM, Emilian Bold wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have started the IPMC vote thread >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_thread.html_ab58e2c75d260a91851d8def412b1ef6648aaf4f690b205aaaf53924-40&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=goJbX5d4oUeQV2nDr4z4fDBl7sCX5yjagN38LZB-eAo&s=R7y0s_23CMyddnp5hXxyVDi7ob1ijOFZHpy9TrOC3e0&e= >>> >>> Only IPMC votes are binding but general community votes are also nice. So, >>> don't mind voting there too. >>> >>> We already have 2 votes from our mentors, we only need another vote to have >>> the release. >>> >>> Voting ends in 5 days (end of this week) so we could have the proper >>> release this Sunday! >>> >>> --emi >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_Mailing-2Blists&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=goJbX5d4oUeQV2nDr4z4fDBl7sCX5yjagN38LZB-eAo&s=GlJwBdJlL_Pp6tCskzmgblkqxkKeovaRn0CB8Gc0kp0&e=
Re: I have started the vote thread on general@ incubator mailing list
Actually, the link was good. Your corporate urldefense rewrites it badly... --emi Pe 24 iul. 2018, la 11:17, Jiří Kovalský a scris: > Can anyone access that link? For me it says it either does not exist or I am > not entitled to see it. :( > > -Jirka > > Dne 24.7.2018 v 07:36 Emilian Bold napsal(a): > >> [Forgot to add netcat@ to the CC] >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >>> On 24 July 2018 8:36 AM, Emilian Bold wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have started the IPMC vote thread >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_thread.html_ab58e2c75d260a91851d8def412b1ef6648aaf4f690b205aaaf53924-40&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=goJbX5d4oUeQV2nDr4z4fDBl7sCX5yjagN38LZB-eAo&s=R7y0s_23CMyddnp5hXxyVDi7ob1ijOFZHpy9TrOC3e0&e= >>> >>> Only IPMC votes are binding but general community votes are also nice. So, >>> don't mind voting there too. >>> >>> We already have 2 votes from our mentors, we only need another vote to have >>> the release. >>> >>> Voting ends in 5 days (end of this week) so we could have the proper >>> release this Sunday! >>> >>> --emi >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_Mailing-2Blists&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=goJbX5d4oUeQV2nDr4z4fDBl7sCX5yjagN38LZB-eAo&s=GlJwBdJlL_Pp6tCskzmgblkqxkKeovaRn0CB8Gc0kp0&e= - To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Fw: I have started the vote thread on general@ incubator mailing list
Yes, sorry about that. I should have added the Community Acceptance conclusion as the report looked very well! I just copy-pasted much of the previous email... I was actually thinking while editing that our email is too long and we should make it shorter. The longer it is the more reasons we give for tangential comments during voting ;-) I see no reason though not to include the Community Acceptance report on the public website when the release goes live. --emi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 24 July 2018 12:24 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Yes, we should include that, in fact, I'll write to the thread and add that > info -- though note that from the IPMC point of view, the sources are all > that matters and the functioning of the convenience binary is not relevant > -- of course, though, at the same time, it's interesting details for them > to know about. > > Gj > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Jiří Kovalský jiri.koval...@oracle.com > wrote: > > > Yes, thanks Emilian! > > What a shame you didn't include the results from Community Acceptance > > survey [1] in your message. I think next time we should mention it in the > > IPMC vote thread to support our strong commitment. > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Results > > +from+Apache+NetBeans+IDE+9.0+Community+Acceptance+survey > > -Jirka > > Dne 24.7.2018 v 07:56 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a): > > Awesome, thanks a lot. > > > > > Gj > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Emilian Bold < > > > emilian.b...@protonmail.ch.invalid> wrote: > > > [Forgot to add netcat@ to the CC] > > > > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > On 24 July 2018 8:36 AM, Emilian Bold emilian.b...@protonmail.ch > > > > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > I have started the IPMC vote thread https://urldefense.proofpoint. > > > > > com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumC > > > > > XCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCb > > > > > Q2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=QrE2f5V9d3jZDC-BbFaWXFo- > > > > > wcn65caJc0EIlVFH1tI&s=g2ogYg-xu7DintQen1qY4F7uEYbGSCsnpu3_9tYH4OY&e= > > > > > > > > thread.html/ab58e2c75d260a91851d8def412b1ef6648aaf4f690b205aaaf53924@ > > > neral.incubator.apache.org> > > > > > > > > > Only IPMC votes are binding but general community votes are also nice. > > > > > > > > So, don't mind voting there too. > > > > > > > > > We already have 2 votes from our mentors, we only need another vote to > > > > > > > > have the release. > > > > > > > > > Voting ends in 5 days (end of this week) so we could have the proper > > > > > > > > release this Sunday! > > > > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a > > > > pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_Mailing-2Blists&d=DwIF > > > > aQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SK > > > > eT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=QrE2f5V9d3jZDC-BbFaWXFo > > > > -wcn65caJc0EIlVFH1tI&s=tNf_fWGmEUB3Xx1Rt5zu5xzMoBp9bWUdyvNDjYqt5lM&e= > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Fw: I have started the vote thread on general@ incubator mailing list
I put 5 days because last time it took even longer to get the votes... and we almost had to extend the voting window. Anyhow, this is good news! We could prepare everything for July 29th (website, etc.) and announce on July 29th? I believe the only problem with the mirrors might be the update center? Or are you talking about the -bin.zip? --emi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 26 July 2018 3:21 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > We currently have three IPMC votes (Bertrand Delacretaz, Ate Douma, and > Mark Strueberg). > > That is enough for the vote to pass -- i.e., we have three IPMC binding > votes right now. > > However, the vote is open for 5 days, starting from 2018/07/24 05:27:03 > CET, which means on Sunday, 29 July -- assuming the vote doesn't go the > other way, which seems unlikely right now -- we'll be able to release > Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0. > > However, just a note -- before we announce anything, we need to make sure > that after publishing the release that the Apache mirrors are updated > correctly first -- which takes a few days, based on earlier experiences > we've had so far. > > Thanks, > > Gj > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:24 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Yes, we should include that, in fact, I'll write to the thread and add > > that info -- though note that from the IPMC point of view, the sources are > > all that matters and the functioning of the convenience binary is not > > relevant -- of course, though, at the same time, it's interesting details > > for them to know about. > > Gj > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Jiří Kovalský jiri.koval...@oracle.com > > wrote: > > > > > Yes, thanks Emilian! > > > What a shame you didn't include the results from Community Acceptance > > > survey [1] in your message. I think next time we should mention it in the > > > IPMC vote thread to support our strong commitment. > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Results > > > +from+Apache+NetBeans+IDE+9.0+Community+Acceptance+survey > > > -Jirka > > > Dne 24.7.2018 v 07:56 Geertjan Wielenga napsal(a): > > > Awesome, thanks a lot. > > > > > > > Gj > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Emilian Bold < > > > > emilian.b...@protonmail.ch.invalid> wrote: > > > > [Forgot to add netcat@ to the CC] > > > > > > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > > On 24 July 2018 8:36 AM, Emilian Bold emilian.b...@protonmail.ch > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > I have started the IPMC vote thread https://urldefense.proofpoint. > > > > > > com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.apache.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=RoP1YumC > > > > > > XCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCb > > > > > > Q2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=QrE2f5V9d3jZDC-BbFaWXFo-wcn65caJc0EI > > > > > > lVFH1tI&s=g2ogYg-xu7DintQen1qY4F7uEYbGSCsnpu3_9tYH4OY&e= > > > > > > > > > > thread.html/ab58e2c75d260a91851d8def412b1ef6648aaf4f690b205aaaf53924@ > > > > > > > > > neral.incubator.apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > > Only IPMC votes are binding but general community votes are also > > > > > > nice. > > > > > > > > > > So, don't mind voting there too. > > > > > > > > > > > We already have 2 votes from our mentors, we only need another vote > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > have the release. > > > > > > > > > > > Voting ends in 5 days (end of this week) so we could have the proper > > > > > > > > > > release this Sunday! > > > > > > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.a > > > > > pache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_Mailing-2Blists&d=DwIF > > > > > aQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SK > > > > > eT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=QrE2f5V9d3jZDC-BbFaWXFo > > > > > -wcn65caJc0EIlVFH1tI&s=tNf_fWGmEUB3Xx1Rt5zu5xzMoBp9bWUdyvNDjYqt5lM&e= > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Apache NetBeans 10 vc-3: looks solid
I don't suppose the Nov 15th date shown on https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+10.0+Schedule includes the 3 days we have to keep the incubator vote, right? So we are looking for Nov 19th for the actual release date, right? --emi On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 1:09 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > > Hi all, > > Laszlo has put together the 3rd voting candidate, with all info collected > over here: > > https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/is-apache-netbeans-10-ready > > I've seen several people closing issues over the past few days because > they're found that they;ve been solved in 10-vc2 or 10-vc3. > > We're getting to the end of the survey deadline, i.e., November 11th COB. > > That means, unless we find actual real blockers that should prevent Apache > NetBeans 10 from being released, we'll start voting on the sources > (remember, Apache does not release binaries, it releases sources, at most > the binaries are known as 'convenience binaries, but that's not the focus > of an Apache release): > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+10.0+Schedule > > We do need to, of course, work on the many non-blocking issues that have > been uncovered, and need to put together a plan for that, starting with > evaluating them (maybe we can assign a set number per week to ourselves, > e.g., evaluate 10 per week per person, something like that), and then > tackle solving them. > > Anyway, this is where we are -- please get hold of 10-vc3, try to reproduce > your issues, fill in the survey, next week we should begin the official > PPMC vote thread for the release. > > Thanks, > > Gj - To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Could somebody test Mylyn (Team | Find Tasks...)
We support Bugzilla and JIRA task repositories and apparently [1] the OSGi infrastructure for those modules is broken on Java 9 and above. Could somebody test if these work (or not)? --emi 1. https://github.com/mojohaus/nbm-maven-plugin/issues/52 --emi - To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Could somebody test Mylyn (Team | Find Tasks...)
Thank you Luca! --emi On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:38 AM Luca Mambretti wrote: > > I cannot say I've done extensive testing but I do have Jira integration up > and running in 10.0 VC2 with Java 11 and Jira server Version 7.5.2. > > What I've done for now is using a custom query to filter out tasks, and > automatically update tasks with commit information. > > The only thing that is not working is the status update, but that has nothing > to do with the plugin infrastructure, it simply does not work because the > plugin is too old and Jira changed the status update mechanism to use > transitions that are not supported by the current plugin (AFAIK). > > > Product Version: Apache NetBeans IDE Dev (Build > incubator-netbeans-release-360-on-20181029) > Java: 11; Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM 11+28 > Runtime: Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment 11+28 > > > Regards, > Luca. > - Messaggio originale - > Da: "Emilian Bold" > A: "netcat" > Inviato: Sabato, 10 novembre 2018 21:11:55 > Oggetto: Could somebody test Mylyn (Team | Find Tasks...) > > We support Bugzilla and JIRA task repositories and apparently [1] the > OSGi infrastructure for those modules is broken on Java 9 and above. > > Could somebody test if these work (or not)? > > --emi > > 1. https://github.com/mojohaus/nbm-maven-plugin/issues/52 > > --emi > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans roadmap updates
Two releases per year seems more manageable. --emi On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 3:19 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > > Hi all, > > We've completed the NetCAT process (on the functioning of the convenience > binary of Apache NetBeans 10) and the PPMC vote (on the sources of Apache > NetBeans 10). > > Right now, the IPMC (the incubator project management committee) is voting on > the sources of Apache NetBeans 10, since Apache NetBeans is in the Apache > Incubator. (We're going to be voting to get out of the Apache Incubator very > soon, with support from our mentors, since they're happy with how we're > working as a community and consider us to be ready to be a top level Apache > project.) > > So, what's next? After we release Apache NetBeans 10, we'll start working on > the next release. Consensus on the dev mailing list has formed around > quarterly releases. In the NetCAT process, we found that there was quite some > time pressure to get things done and maybe we should take more time and > thereby be able to provide more quality. > > As a result, here's a proposal to do two major releases next year, in line > with JDK 12 and 13 in March and September, with two optional minor releases > in between (e.g., a bug fix release could be great). Of course, Apache > NetBeans does not serve the Java community only, though those two months of > March and September are fairly spaced anyway and potentially could allow us > to provide bundles with those JDKs if and when that were to be possible. > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+Roadmap > > There are several significant bugs that we need to nail down and resolve, we > can include them in the upcoming releases or distribute them via plugins. > We're I'm sure all very aware of several problems, as well as features that > need to be added -- we need everyone to be proactive in pinning down bugs and > in providing code contributions for missing features. > > Comments welcome, and many thanks for all the hard and enthusiastic work done > so far. > > Gj > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Sample of macOS installer
We know it's easy to make. There's also https://github.com/carljmosca/netbeans-macos-bundle since NetBeans 9 was launched to help people with this. Future NetBeans versions most likely will have this. --emi On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 9:04 AM wrote: > > based on: > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans/incubating-10.0-vc3/incubating-netbeans-10.0-vc3-bin.zip > > can be found here: > > http://nb.owsiak.org > > Cheers > > Michal > > P.S. > > Graphics used in installer is licensed for commercial use from PSDGraphics. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Sample of macOS installer
A lot of this stuff happened on Twitter I believe so you might think based on the mailing list we don't know/think about it. Installers will be solved by the next (11, not 10, which is in a few days) release. --emi On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 9:51 AM wrote: > > Cool! > > It's nice to hear it is planned to release NetBeans as macOS installer, at > some point. I thought it was discontinued as there was no info regarding this > one - e.g. there is only zip based installer ;) > > Cheers > > Michal > > Dnia 19 listopada 2018 o 08:43 Emilian Bold > > napisał(a): > > > We know it's easy to make. There's also > > > https://github.com/carljmosca/netbeans-macos-bundle since NetBeans 9 > was > > launched to help people with this. > > Future NetBeans versions most likely > > will have this. > > --emi > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 9:04 AM > > wrote: > > > > based on: > > > > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans/incubating-10.0-vc3/incubating-netbeans-10.0-vc3-bin.zip > > > > > > can be found here: > > > > http://nb.owsiak.org > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Michal > > > > P.S. > > > > Graphics used in installer is licensed for > > commercial use from PSDGraphics. > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > For > > additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For > > further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > - > To > > unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For > > additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For > > further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Could the installation instructions be improved?
Ahem, http://coolbeans.xyz/ --emi http://coolbeans.xyz/ - CoolBeans: An IDE for Java, JavaEE, PHP and more! On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:28 PM Michal Owsiak wrote: > > I think that macOS comunity is attached to „nice installers” > > http://www.owsiak.org/netbeans-make-macos-installer-beautiful-again/ > > I have the bundle ready to download, but little bit outdated. > > Michal > > -- > www.owsiak.org > > > On 24 Dec 2018, at 13:29, Geertjan Wielenga > > wrote: > > > > Great, OK, how can it be improved? You can click on 'See this page in > > github' and then provide a pull request with your proposes changes. > > > > Gj > > > >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 1:28 PM Braiam Peguero wrote: > >> > >> Unsure if you are using the same template here > >> too https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb90/nb90.html > >> The passage of installing looks the same. > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:25 AM Geertjan Wielenga > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Can you point exactly to where you mean? > >>> > >>> I'm looking here: > >>> > >>> https://netbeans.apache.org/download/index.html > >>> > >>> And I guess you mean somewhere else. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Gj > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 1:24 PM Braiam Peguero > >> wrote: > > Hi, > > For the 9.0 release, the only OS mentioned is OSX which would leave > >> users > wondering "where's Windows/Linux binary?". Maybe a title for each OS > >> with > their specific instructions would make things clearer. > > -- > Braiam > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Braiam > >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: Gradle Support landed on master JIRA and NetCat updates are required
Maybe this was clarified but I'm curious how the feature list overlaps with Attila Kelemen's netbeans-gradle-project (https://github.com/kelemen/netbeans-gradle-project ) The plugin seems to be quite actively maintained (2900 commits, last commit 7 days ago). So, what happens now that NetBeans has this separate Gradle plugin in master? Is there anything we could perhaps re-use from netbeans-gradle-project? Attila Kelemen is a former NetBeans Dream Team member and has been doing Groovy for a long time. I also see an email from 2017 where he mentioned he was willing to relicense the code in case Apache needs it. --emi http://coolbeans.xyz/ - CoolBeans: An IDE for Java, JavaEE, PHP and more! On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:08 PM Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: > > Dear all, > > I've merged the Gradle Support into master. The first build with that: > > https://builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-linux/975/artifact/nbbuild/ > > We need to add some components to our JIRA, unlike for Maven I'm > thinking of one component called: *gradle-support* and later on probably > gradle-javaee (or gradle-jakartaee whatever is trendy these days). > > Also we need to came up with new tests for NetCat team. > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
