Re: Distributed storage.

2007-08-03 Thread Manu Abraham
On 8/4/07, Dave Dillow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 09:04 +0400, Manu Abraham wrote:
> > On 7/31/07, Evgeniy Polyakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > TODO list currently includes following main items:
> > > * redundancy algorithm (drop me a request of your own, but it is 
> > > highly
> > > unlikley that Reed-Solomon based will ever be used - it is too 
> > > slow
> > > for distributed RAID, I consider WEAVER codes)
> >
> >
> > LDPC codes[1][2] have been replacing Turbo code[3] with regards to
> > communication links and we have been seeing that transition. (maybe
> > helpful, came to mind seeing the mention of Turbo code) Don't know how
> > weaver compares to LDPC, though found some comparisons [4][5] But
> > looking at fault tolerance figures, i guess Weaver is much better.
> >
> > [1] http://www.ldpc-codes.com/
> > [2] http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1240497
> > [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_code
> > [4] 
> > http://domino.research.ibm.com/library/cyberdig.nsf/papers/BD559022A190D41C85257212006CEC11/$File/rj10391.pdf
> > [5] http://hplabs.hp.com/personal/Jay_Wylie/publications/wylie_dsn2007.pdf
>
> Searching Google for Dr. Plank's work at the University of TN turns up
> some analysis of using LDPC codes in storage systems.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=plank+ldpc&btnG=Google+Search
>
> Patents are an issue to watch out for around the use of Tornado/Raptor
> codes. I've not researched it, but I believe there be dragons there.
>

We don't use the code in the driver straight away [2] (in the case
that i mentioned), since that happens in the hardware (demodulator
chip) [1], but we have an interface for selecting the code-rate [2]
(LDPC/BCH) for DVB-S2 and the new papers for DVB-T2 looks geared that
the base decision is to use LDPC.

Though i now see a patent application for it [3]. Not sure whether it
is a registered patent, i am under an agreement of Non-Disclosure with
STM. Will ask the relevant person there, whether they have it
registered. (Most probably they may have it registered).

There are a few people from STM on LK, if not they can possibly
confirm whether the patent is regsitered or not.

[1] 
http://www2.dac.com/data2/42nd/42acceptedpapers.nsf/0c4c09c6ffa905c487256b7b007afb72/998f93e4b29e99fa87256fc400714617/$FILE/33_1.pdf

[2] 
http://linuxtv.org/hg/~manu/stb0899-c5/file/760cb230695c/linux/include/linux/dvb/frontend.h

[3] http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20060206779.html
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20060206778.html
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Re: Distributed storage.

2007-08-02 Thread Manu Abraham
On 7/31/07, Evgeniy Polyakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> TODO list currently includes following main items:
> * redundancy algorithm (drop me a request of your own, but it is highly
> unlikley that Reed-Solomon based will ever be used - it is too slow
> for distributed RAID, I consider WEAVER codes)


LDPC codes[1][2] have been replacing Turbo code[3] with regards to
communication links and we have been seeing that transition. (maybe
helpful, came to mind seeing the mention of Turbo code) Don't know how
weaver compares to LDPC, though found some comparisons [4][5] But
looking at fault tolerance figures, i guess Weaver is much better.

[1] http://www.ldpc-codes.com/
[2] http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1240497
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_code
[4] 
http://domino.research.ibm.com/library/cyberdig.nsf/papers/BD559022A190D41C85257212006CEC11/$File/rj10391.pdf
[5] http://hplabs.hp.com/personal/Jay_Wylie/publications/wylie_dsn2007.pdf
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