Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Jeremy Harris]

On 28/07/17 08:27, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> I didn't want to suggest names but since you did it first ;-) Indeed it's
> mostly on the same device that I've been bothered a lot by their annoying
> randomization. I used to know by memory the exact command to type to disable
> it, but I don't anymore (something along "no randomization"). 

https://supportforums.cisco.com/document/48551/single-tcp-flow-performance-firewall-services-module-fwsm#TCP_Sequence_Number_Randomization_and_SACK

https://supportcenter.checkpoint.com/supportcenter/portal?eventSubmit_doGoviewsolutiondetails==sk74640

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Cheers,
  Jeremy

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Neal Cardwell]

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Neal Cardwell  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Neal Cardwell  wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Neal Cardwell  wrote:
>>> Yeah, it looks like I can reproduce this issue with (1) bad sacks
>>> causing repeated TLPs, and (2) TLPs timers being pushed out to later
>>> times due to incoming data. Scripts are attached.
>>
>> I'm testing a fix of only scheduling a TLP if (flag & FLAG_DATA_ACKED)
>> is true...
>
> An update for the TLP aspect of this thread: our team has a proposed
> fix for this RTO/TLP reschedule issue that we have reviewed internally
> and tested with our packetdrill test suite, including some new tests.
> The basic approach in the fix is as follows:
>
> a) only reschedule the xmit timer once per ACK
>
> b) only reschedule the xmit timer if tcp_clean_rtx_queue() deems this
> is safe (a packet was cumulatively ACKed, or we got a SACK for a
> packet that was sent before the most recent retransmit of the write
> queue head).
>
> After further review and testing we will post it. Hopefully next week.

The timer patches are upstream for review for the "net" branch:

  https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/796057/
  https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/796058/
  https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/796059/

Again, thank you for reporting this, and thanks for the packet trace!

neal

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Neal Cardwell]

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Neal Cardwell  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Neal Cardwell  wrote:
>> Yeah, it looks like I can reproduce this issue with (1) bad sacks
>> causing repeated TLPs, and (2) TLPs timers being pushed out to later
>> times due to incoming data. Scripts are attached.
>
> I'm testing a fix of only scheduling a TLP if (flag & FLAG_DATA_ACKED)
> is true...

An update for the TLP aspect of this thread: our team has a proposed
fix for this RTO/TLP reschedule issue that we have reviewed internally
and tested with our packetdrill test suite, including some new tests.
The basic approach in the fix is as follows:

a) only reschedule the xmit timer once per ACK

b) only reschedule the xmit timer if tcp_clean_rtx_queue() deems this
is safe (a packet was cumulatively ACKed, or we got a SACK for a
packet that was sent before the most recent retransmit of the write
queue head).

After further review and testing we will post it. Hopefully next week.

thanks,
neal

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Willy Tarreau]

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 08:36:49AM +0200, Klavs Klavsen wrote:
> The network guys know what caused it.
> 
> Appearently on (atleast some) Cisco equipment the feature:
> 
> TCP Sequence Number Randomization
> 
> is enabled by default.

I didn't want to suggest names but since you did it first ;-) Indeed it's
mostly on the same device that I've been bothered a lot by their annoying
randomization. I used to know by memory the exact command to type to disable
it, but I don't anymore (something along "no randomization"). The other
trouble it causes is retransmits of the first SYN when your source ports
wrap too fast (ie when installed after a proxy). The SYNs reaching the
other end find a session in TIME_WAIT, but the SYN sometimes lands in
the previous window and leads to an ACK instead of a SYN-ACK, which the
firewall blocks. This was easily worked around using timestamps on both
sides thanks to PAWS. But disabling the broken feature is better. And no,
"more secure" is not an excuse for "broken".

> It would most definetely be beneficial if Linux handled SACK "not working"
> better than it does - but then I might never have found the culprit who
> destroyed SACK :)

Yep ;-)

Willy

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Christoph Paasch]

Hello,

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Eric Dumazet  wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-07-26 at 15:42 +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 06:31:21AM -0700, Eric Dumazet wrote:
>> > On Wed, 2017-07-26 at 14:18 +0200, Klavs Klavsen wrote:
>> > > the 192.168.32.44 is a Centos 7 box.
>> >
>> > Could you grab a capture on this box, to see if the bogus packets are
>> > sent by it, or later mangled by a middle box ?
>>
>> Given the huge difference between the window and the ranges of the
>> values in the SACK field, I'm pretty sure there's a firewall doing
>> some sequence numbers randomization in the middle, not aware of SACK
>> and not converting these ones. I've had to disable such broken
>> features more than once in field after similar observations! Probably
>> that the Mac doesn't advertise SACK support and doesn't experience the
>> problem.
>
> We need to check RFC if such invalid SACK blocks should be ignored (DUP
> ACK would be processed and trigger fast retransmit anyway), or strongly
> validated (as I suspect we currently do), leading to a total freeze.

quite some time ago this issue with sequence number randomizing
middleboxes came already up
(http://marc.info/?l=netfilter-devel=137691623129822=2). From what
I remember, the RFC does not say that invalid SACK blocks should  be
strongly validated. So, trigger dup-ack retransmission seems fine.

I had some patches at the time that ignored invalid sack-blocks and
allowed fast-retransmit to happen thanks to the duplicate acks:
https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/268297/
https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/268298/


Cheers,
Christoph

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Klavs Klavsen]

The network guys know what caused it.

Appearently on (atleast some) Cisco equipment the feature:

TCP Sequence Number Randomization

is enabled by default.


It would most definetely be beneficial if Linux handled SACK "not 
working" better than it does - but then I might never have found the 
culprit who destroyed SACK :)


Willy Tarreau wrote on 26-07-2017 16:38:

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 04:25:29PM +0200, Klavs Klavsen wrote:

Thank you very much guys for your insight.. its highly appreciated.

Next up for me, is waiting till the network guys come back from summer
vacation, and convince them to sniff on the devices in between to pinpoint
the culprit :)

That said, Eric, I'm a bit surprized that it completely stalls. Shouldn't
the sender end up retransmitting unacked segments after seeing a certain
number of ACKs not making progress ? Or maybe this is disabled when SACKs
are in use but it seems to me that once invalid SACKs are ignored we should
ideally fall back to the normal way to deal with losses. Here the server
ACKed 3903858556 for the first time at 15:59:54.292743 and repeated this
one 850 times till 16:01:17.296407 but the client kept sending past this
point probably due to a huge window, so this looks suboptimal to me.

Willy



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Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Neal Cardwell]

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Neal Cardwell  wrote:
> Yeah, it looks like I can reproduce this issue with (1) bad sacks
> causing repeated TLPs, and (2) TLPs timers being pushed out to later
> times due to incoming data. Scripts are attached.

I'm testing a fix of only scheduling a TLP if (flag & FLAG_DATA_ACKED)
is true...

neal

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Neal Cardwell]

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Neal Cardwell  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Neal Cardwell  wrote:
>> (2) It looks like there is a bug in the sender code where it seems to
>> be repeatedly using a TLP timer firing 211ms after every ACK is
>> received to transmit another TLP probe (a new packet in this case).
>> Somehow these weird invalid SACKs seem to be triggering a code path
>> that makes us think we can send another TLP, when we probably should
>> be firing an RTO. That's my interpretation, anyway. I will try to
>> reproduce this with packetdrill.
>
> Hmm. It looks like this might be a general issue, where any time we
> get an ACK that doesn't ACK/SACK anything new (whether because it's
> incoming data in a bi-directional flow, or a middlebox breaking the
> SACKs), then we schedule a TLP timer further out in time. Probably we
> should only push the TLP timer out if something is cumulatively ACKed.
>
> But that's not a trivial thing to do, because by the time we are
> deciding whether to schedule another TLP, we have already canceled the
> previous TLP and reinstalled an RTO. Hmm.

Yeah, it looks like I can reproduce this issue with (1) bad sacks
causing repeated TLPs, and (2) TLPs timers being pushed out to later
times due to incoming data. Scripts are attached.

neal


tlp-bad-sacks.pkt
Description: Binary data


tlp-bidirectional.pkt
Description: Binary data

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Neal Cardwell]

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Neal Cardwell  wrote:
> (1) Because the connection negotiated SACK, the Linux TCP sender does
> not get to its tcp_add_reno_sack() code to count dupacks and enter
> fast recovery on the 3rd dupack. The sender keeps waiting for specific
> packets to be SACKed that would signal that something has probably
> been lost. We could probably mitigate this by having the sender turn
> off SACK once it sees SACKed ranges that are completely invalid (way
> out of window). Then it should use the old non-SACK "Recovery on 3rd
> dupack" path.
>
> (2) It looks like there is a bug in the sender code where it seems to
> be repeatedly using a TLP timer firing 211ms after every ACK is
> received to transmit another TLP probe (a new packet in this case).
> Somehow these weird invalid SACKs seem to be triggering a code path
> that makes us think we can send another TLP, when we probably should
> be firing an RTO. That's my interpretation, anyway. I will try to
> reproduce this with packetdrill.

Hmm. It looks like this might be a general issue, where any time we
get an ACK that doesn't ACK/SACK anything new (whether because it's
incoming data in a bi-directional flow, or a middlebox breaking the
SACKs), then we schedule a TLP timer further out in time. Probably we
should only push the TLP timer out if something is cumulatively ACKed.

But that's not a trivial thing to do, because by the time we are
deciding whether to schedule another TLP, we have already canceled the
previous TLP and reinstalled an RTO. Hmm.

neal

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Willy Tarreau]

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 07:32:12AM -0700, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-07-26 at 15:42 +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 06:31:21AM -0700, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2017-07-26 at 14:18 +0200, Klavs Klavsen wrote:
> > > > the 192.168.32.44 is a Centos 7 box.
> > > 
> > > Could you grab a capture on this box, to see if the bogus packets are
> > > sent by it, or later mangled by a middle box ?
> > 
> > Given the huge difference between the window and the ranges of the
> > values in the SACK field, I'm pretty sure there's a firewall doing
> > some sequence numbers randomization in the middle, not aware of SACK
> > and not converting these ones. I've had to disable such broken
> > features more than once in field after similar observations! Probably
> > that the Mac doesn't advertise SACK support and doesn't experience the
> > problem.
> 
> We need to check RFC if such invalid SACK blocks should be ignored (DUP
> ACK would be processed and trigger fast retransmit anyway), or strongly
> validated (as I suspect we currently do), leading to a total freeze.

RFC2883 #4.3 talks about interaction with PAWS and only suggests that
since the sequence numbers can wrap the sender should be aware that a
reported segment can in fact relate to a value within the prior seq
number space before cycling, but that they don't expect any side effect.
So that more or less means to me "you should consider that some of these
segments might be old, meaningless and should be ignored". But as you
can see the recommendation lacks a bit of strength given that no issue
was expected in such a situation.

Willy

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Willy Tarreau]

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 04:25:29PM +0200, Klavs Klavsen wrote:
> Thank you very much guys for your insight.. its highly appreciated.
> 
> Next up for me, is waiting till the network guys come back from summer
> vacation, and convince them to sniff on the devices in between to pinpoint
> the culprit :)

That said, Eric, I'm a bit surprized that it completely stalls. Shouldn't
the sender end up retransmitting unacked segments after seeing a certain
number of ACKs not making progress ? Or maybe this is disabled when SACKs
are in use but it seems to me that once invalid SACKs are ignored we should
ideally fall back to the normal way to deal with losses. Here the server
ACKed 3903858556 for the first time at 15:59:54.292743 and repeated this
one 850 times till 16:01:17.296407 but the client kept sending past this
point probably due to a huge window, so this looks suboptimal to me.

Willy

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Eric Dumazet]

On Wed, 2017-07-26 at 15:42 +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 06:31:21AM -0700, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > On Wed, 2017-07-26 at 14:18 +0200, Klavs Klavsen wrote:
> > > the 192.168.32.44 is a Centos 7 box.
> > 
> > Could you grab a capture on this box, to see if the bogus packets are
> > sent by it, or later mangled by a middle box ?
> 
> Given the huge difference between the window and the ranges of the
> values in the SACK field, I'm pretty sure there's a firewall doing
> some sequence numbers randomization in the middle, not aware of SACK
> and not converting these ones. I've had to disable such broken
> features more than once in field after similar observations! Probably
> that the Mac doesn't advertise SACK support and doesn't experience the
> problem.

We need to check RFC if such invalid SACK blocks should be ignored (DUP
ACK would be processed and trigger fast retransmit anyway), or strongly
validated (as I suspect we currently do), leading to a total freeze.

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Willy Tarreau]

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 04:08:19PM +0200, Klavs Klavsen wrote:
> Grabbed on both ends.
> 
> http://blog.klavsen.info/fast-retransmit-problem-junos-linux (updated to new
> dump - from client scp'ing)
> http://blog.klavsen.info/fast-retransmit-problem-junos-linux-receiving-side
> (receiving host)

So bingo, Eric guessed right, the client's sequence numbers are translated
on their way to/from the server, but the SACK fields are not :

Server :
15:59:54.292867 IP (tos 0x8, ttl 64, id 15878, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP 
(6), length 64)
192.168.32.44.22 > 62.242.222.50.35002: Flags [.], cksum 0xfe2b (incorrect 
-> 0xce0e), seq 1568063538, ack 3903858556,
win 10965, options [nop,nop,TS val 529899820 ecr 774272020,nop,nop,sack 1 
{3903859904:3903861252}], length 0

Client :
15:59:54.297388 IP (tos 0x8, ttl 56, id 15878, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP 
(6), length 64)
192.168.32.44.22 > 62.242.222.50.35002: Flags [.], cksum 0xbb2c (correct), 
seq 1568063538, ack 2684453645,
win 10965, options [nop,nop,TS val 529899820 ecr 774272020,nop,nop,sack 1 
{3903859904:3903861252}], length 0

To there's very likely a broken firewall in the middle that is waiting for
a bug fix, or to have its feature disabled. Sometimes it can also happen
on firewalls performing some SYN proxying except that it would mangle the
server's sequence numbers instead of the client ones.

Willy

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Klavs Klavsen]

Thank you very much guys for your insight.. its highly appreciated.

Next up for me, is waiting till the network guys come back from summer 
vacation, and convince them to sniff on the devices in between to 
pinpoint the culprit :)


Willy Tarreau skrev den 2017-07-26 16:18:

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 04:08:19PM +0200, Klavs Klavsen wrote:

Grabbed on both ends.

http://blog.klavsen.info/fast-retransmit-problem-junos-linux (updated 
to new

dump - from client scp'ing)
http://blog.klavsen.info/fast-retransmit-problem-junos-linux-receiving-side
(receiving host)


So bingo, Eric guessed right, the client's sequence numbers are 
translated

on their way to/from the server, but the SACK fields are not :

Server :
15:59:54.292867 IP (tos 0x8, ttl 64, id 15878, offset 0, flags [DF],
proto TCP (6), length 64)
192.168.32.44.22 > 62.242.222.50.35002: Flags [.], cksum 0xfe2b
(incorrect -> 0xce0e), seq 1568063538, ack 3903858556,
win 10965, options [nop,nop,TS val 529899820 ecr
774272020,nop,nop,sack 1 {3903859904:3903861252}], length 0

Client :
15:59:54.297388 IP (tos 0x8, ttl 56, id 15878, offset 0, flags [DF],
proto TCP (6), length 64)
192.168.32.44.22 > 62.242.222.50.35002: Flags [.], cksum 0xbb2c
(correct), seq 1568063538, ack 2684453645,
win 10965, options [nop,nop,TS val 529899820 ecr
774272020,nop,nop,sack 1 {3903859904:3903861252}], length 0

To there's very likely a broken firewall in the middle that is waiting 
for
a bug fix, or to have its feature disabled. Sometimes it can also 
happen
on firewalls performing some SYN proxying except that it would mangle 
the

server's sequence numbers instead of the client ones.

Willy


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Regards,
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61281200


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  --Henry Spencer

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Klavs Klavsen]

Grabbed on both ends.

http://blog.klavsen.info/fast-retransmit-problem-junos-linux (updated to 
new dump - from client scp'ing)
http://blog.klavsen.info/fast-retransmit-problem-junos-linux-receiving-side 
(receiving host)



Eric Dumazet skrev den 2017-07-26 15:31:

On Wed, 2017-07-26 at 14:18 +0200, Klavs Klavsen wrote:

the 192.168.32.44 is a Centos 7 box.


Could you grab a capture on this box, to see if the bogus packets are
sent by it, or later mangled by a middle box ?


[CUT]

3012336703:3012338051 is clearly outside of the window.
Receiver claims to have received bytes that were never sent.


Thank you very much..

[CUT]

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Regards,
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61281200


"Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly."
  --Henry Spencer

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Willy Tarreau]

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 06:31:21AM -0700, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-07-26 at 14:18 +0200, Klavs Klavsen wrote:
> > the 192.168.32.44 is a Centos 7 box.
> 
> Could you grab a capture on this box, to see if the bogus packets are
> sent by it, or later mangled by a middle box ?

Given the huge difference between the window and the ranges of the
values in the SACK field, I'm pretty sure there's a firewall doing
some sequence numbers randomization in the middle, not aware of SACK
and not converting these ones. I've had to disable such broken
features more than once in field after similar observations! Probably
that the Mac doesn't advertise SACK support and doesn't experience the
problem.

Willy

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Eric Dumazet]

On Wed, 2017-07-26 at 14:18 +0200, Klavs Klavsen wrote:
> the 192.168.32.44 is a Centos 7 box.

Could you grab a capture on this box, to see if the bogus packets are
sent by it, or later mangled by a middle box ?

> 
> Could you help me by elaborating on how to see why the "dup ack" (sack 
> blocks) are bogus?


tcpdump -S ...

01:37:44.455158 IP 62.242.222.50.54004 > 192.168.32.44.22: Flags [.], seq 
370328274:370329622, ack 4062374366, win 1382, options [nop,nop,TS val 
769439585 ecr 510569974], length 1348
01:37:44.455159 IP 62.242.222.50.54004 > 192.168.32.44.22: Flags [.], seq 
370329622:370330970, ack 4062374366, win 1382, options [nop,nop,TS val 
769439585 ecr 510569974], length 1348
01:37:44.455160 IP 62.242.222.50.54004 > 192.168.32.44.22: Flags [.], seq 
370330970:370332318, ack 4062374366, win 1382, options [nop,nop,TS val 
769439585 ecr 510569974], length 1348
01:37:44.455160 IP 62.242.222.50.54004 > 192.168.32.44.22: Flags [.], seq 
370332318:370333666, ack 4062374366, win 1382, options [nop,nop,TS val 
769439585 ecr 510569974], length 1348

01:37:44.455163 IP 192.168.32.44.22 > 62.242.222.50.54004: Flags [.], ack 
370166514, win 2730, options [nop,nop,TS val 510569975 ecr 
769439578,nop,nop,sack 1 {3012336703:3012338051}], length 0

3012336703:3012338051 is clearly outside of the window.
Receiver claims to have received bytes that were never sent.

01:37:44.455169 IP 192.168.32.44.22 > 62.242.222.50.54004: Flags [.], ack 
370166514, win 2730, options [nop,nop,TS val 510569975 ecr 
769439578,nop,nop,sack 1 {3012336703:3012339399}], length 0
01:37:44.455172 IP 192.168.32.44.22 > 62.242.222.50.54004: Flags [.], ack 
370166514, win 2730, options [nop,nop,TS val 510569975 ecr 
769439578,nop,nop,sack 1 {3012336703:3012340747}], length 0
01:37:44.455175 IP 192.168.32.44.22 > 62.242.222.50.54004: Flags [.], ack 
370166514, win 2730, options [nop,nop,TS val 510569975 ecr 
769439578,nop,nop,sack 1 {3012336703:3012342095}], length 0
01:37:44.455178 IP 192.168.32.44.22 > 62.242.222.50.54004: Flags [.], ack 
370166514, win 2730, options [nop,nop,TS val 510569975 ecr 
769439578,nop,nop,sack 1 {3012336703:3012343443}], length 0
01:37:44.455181 IP 192.168.32.44.22 > 62.242.222.50.54004: Flags [.], ack 
370166514, win 2730, options [nop,nop,TS val 510569976 ecr 
769439578,nop,nop,sack 1 {3012336703:3012344791}], length 0
01:37:44.455183 IP 192.168.32.44.22 > 62.242.222.50.54004: Flags [.], ack 
370166514, win 2730, options [nop,nop,TS val 510569976 ecr 
769439578,nop,nop,sack 1 {3012336703:3012346139}], length 0
01:37:44.455186 IP 192.168.32.44.22 > 62.242.222.50.54004: Flags [.], ack 
370166514, win 2730, options [nop,nop,TS val 510569976 ecr 
769439578,nop,nop,sack 1 {3012336703:3012347487}], length 0
01:37:44.455189 IP 192.168.32.44.22 > 62.242.222.50.54004: Flags [.], ack 
370166514, win 2730, options [nop,nop,TS val 510569977 ecr 
769439578,nop,nop,sack 1 {3012336703:3012348835}], length 0



> 
> Thank you very much. I'll try to capture the same scp done on mac - and 
> see if it also gets DUP ACK's - and how they look in comparison (since 
> it works on Mac clients).
> 
> Eric Dumazet skrev den 2017-07-26 13:49:
> > On Wed, 2017-07-26 at 13:07 +0200, Klavs Klavsen wrote:
> >> Hi guys,
> >> 
> >> Me and my colleagues have an annoying issue with our Linux desktops 
> >> and
> >> the company's Junos VPN.
> >> 
> >> We connect with openconnect (some use the official Pulse client) - 
> >> which
> >> then opens up a tun0 device - and traffic runs through that.
> >> 
> >> If we try to scp a file of ~100MB (f.ex. linux-4.12.3.tar.xz :) - it
> >> stalls after sending 20-30% typicly.. then starts again after some 
> >> time,
> >> and typicly dies before finishing. I've captured it with tcpdump (its 
> >> a
> >> large 77Mb file - thats how far it got before it died :) -
> >> http://blog.klavsen.info/fast-retransmit-problem-junos-linux
> >> 
> >> I've attached an image of wireshark - where the (AFAIK) interesting 
> >> part
> >> starts.. Where my client starts getting DUP ACK's.. but my Linux 
> >> client
> >> does nothing :(
> >> I've tried to upgrade to latest Ubuntu-mainline kernel build (4.12.3)
> >> and it changed nothing.
> >> 
> >> The problem goes away, if I do:
> >> sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_sack=0
> >> 
> >> I've tried specificly enabling net.ipv4.tcp_fack=1 - but that did not
> >> help.
> >> 
> >> This is not an issue on Mac OSX or Windows clients.
> >> 
> >> None of the Linux users here figured, that could be a Linux kernel 
> >> issue
> >> - but the evidence seems to suggest it - and all my googleing and
> >> reading does not lead me to any other conclusion.
> >> 
> >> It may ofcourse be that Junos has implemented the standard 
> >> badly/wrongly
> >> - and Windows/Mac has done a workaround for that?
> >> 
> >> I hope you can help me figure out whats going wrong.
> >> 
> > 
> > sack blocks returned by the remote peer are completely bogus.
> > 
> > Maybe a firewall is messing with them ?
> > 
> > I 

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Klavs Klavsen]

the 192.168.32.44 is a Centos 7 box.

Could you help me by elaborating on how to see why the "dup ack" (sack 
blocks) are bogus?


Thank you very much. I'll try to capture the same scp done on mac - and 
see if it also gets DUP ACK's - and how they look in comparison (since 
it works on Mac clients).


Eric Dumazet skrev den 2017-07-26 13:49:

On Wed, 2017-07-26 at 13:07 +0200, Klavs Klavsen wrote:

Hi guys,

Me and my colleagues have an annoying issue with our Linux desktops 
and

the company's Junos VPN.

We connect with openconnect (some use the official Pulse client) - 
which

then opens up a tun0 device - and traffic runs through that.

If we try to scp a file of ~100MB (f.ex. linux-4.12.3.tar.xz :) - it
stalls after sending 20-30% typicly.. then starts again after some 
time,
and typicly dies before finishing. I've captured it with tcpdump (its 
a

large 77Mb file - thats how far it got before it died :) -
http://blog.klavsen.info/fast-retransmit-problem-junos-linux

I've attached an image of wireshark - where the (AFAIK) interesting 
part
starts.. Where my client starts getting DUP ACK's.. but my Linux 
client

does nothing :(
I've tried to upgrade to latest Ubuntu-mainline kernel build (4.12.3)
and it changed nothing.

The problem goes away, if I do:
sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_sack=0

I've tried specificly enabling net.ipv4.tcp_fack=1 - but that did not
help.

This is not an issue on Mac OSX or Windows clients.

None of the Linux users here figured, that could be a Linux kernel 
issue

- but the evidence seems to suggest it - and all my googleing and
reading does not lead me to any other conclusion.

It may ofcourse be that Junos has implemented the standard 
badly/wrongly

- and Windows/Mac has done a workaround for that?

I hope you can help me figure out whats going wrong.



sack blocks returned by the remote peer are completely bogus.

Maybe a firewall is messing with them ?

I suspect ACK packets might be simply dropped because of invalid SACK
information.


--
Regards,
Klavs Klavsen, GSEC - k...@vsen.dk - http://blog.klavsen.info - Tlf. 
61281200


"Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly."
  --Henry Spencer

Re: TCP fast retransmit issues

[Eric Dumazet]

On Wed, 2017-07-26 at 13:07 +0200, Klavs Klavsen wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> Me and my colleagues have an annoying issue with our Linux desktops and 
> the company's Junos VPN.
> 
> We connect with openconnect (some use the official Pulse client) - which 
> then opens up a tun0 device - and traffic runs through that.
> 
> If we try to scp a file of ~100MB (f.ex. linux-4.12.3.tar.xz :) - it 
> stalls after sending 20-30% typicly.. then starts again after some time, 
> and typicly dies before finishing. I've captured it with tcpdump (its a 
> large 77Mb file - thats how far it got before it died :) - 
> http://blog.klavsen.info/fast-retransmit-problem-junos-linux
> 
> I've attached an image of wireshark - where the (AFAIK) interesting part 
> starts.. Where my client starts getting DUP ACK's.. but my Linux client 
> does nothing :(
> I've tried to upgrade to latest Ubuntu-mainline kernel build (4.12.3) 
> and it changed nothing.
> 
> The problem goes away, if I do:
> sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_sack=0
> 
> I've tried specificly enabling net.ipv4.tcp_fack=1 - but that did not 
> help.
> 
> This is not an issue on Mac OSX or Windows clients.
> 
> None of the Linux users here figured, that could be a Linux kernel issue 
> - but the evidence seems to suggest it - and all my googleing and 
> reading does not lead me to any other conclusion.
> 
> It may ofcourse be that Junos has implemented the standard badly/wrongly 
> - and Windows/Mac has done a workaround for that?
> 
> I hope you can help me figure out whats going wrong.
> 

sack blocks returned by the remote peer are completely bogus.

Maybe a firewall is messing with them ?

I suspect ACK packets might be simply dropped because of invalid SACK
information.