[netmod] netmod - Requested sessions have been scheduled for IETF 99

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Dear Lou Berger,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
Below is the scheduled session information followed by
the original request. 

netmod Session 1 (1:30:00)
Monday, Afternoon Session II 1550-1720
Room Name: Congress Hall I size: 250
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netmod Session 2 (2:00:00)
Wednesday, Afternoon Session I 1330-1500
Room Name: Congress Hall I size: 250
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Request Information:


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Working Group Name: NETCONF Data Modeling Language
Area Name: Operations and Management Area
Session Requester: Lou Berger

Number of Sessions: 2
Length of Session(s):  1.5 Hours, 2 Hours
Number of Attendees: 100
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 First Priority: netconf rtgwg
 Second Priority: teas i2rs anima
 Third Priority: saag isis ospf


People who must be present:
  Lou Berger
  Benoit Claise
  Kent Watsen

Resources Requested:

Special Requests:
  
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Re: [netmod] Small comment on draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13.txt

[Lou Berger]

On 6/23/2017 4:34 PM, Andy Bierman wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Lou Berger  > wrote:
>
> I happened to be looking at Appendix C.  YANG Module Template
> (because a
> YANG Dr pointed out that I wasn't following it in one of my
> drafts) and
> noticed an inconsistency.  The template says:
>Copyright (c)  IETF Trust and the persons
>identified as authors of the code.  All rights reserved.
>
> Which matches current trust language, so this is all good.
>
> But: the template then has
>Editor:   your-name
>   >";
>
> *and* no place to list all who authored the "code", i.e., the module.
> Given the copyright, I think the template should be revised to:
>
> OLD
>Editor:   your-name
>   >";
> NEW
>Authors:  //List all who contributed text to the module
>  your-name
>   >";
>
>
>
> How about just "Authors".

you mean: //List all who authored the module
That works for me.

> It is an administrative nightmare to keep track of everyone who
> contributed the tiniest edit to a module.  The module header would be
> 10 pages long
> listing the name and email of anyone who contributed any text.
> The draft itself has a contributors section.
> The template has always been to list the document authors here.
>
The copyright says " identified as authors of the code. " so it seems to
me that all copyright holders need to be identified in the module.  I
have no idea that the test/bar is to become a copyright holder, but can
ask for an official trust position if needed.

Lou

>  
>
> Lou
>
>
> Andy
>  
>
>
> On 6/19/2017 12:54 AM, internet-dra...@ietf.org
>  wrote:
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line
> Internet-Drafts directories.
> > This draft is a work item of the NETCONF Data Modeling Language
> of the IETF.
> >
> > Title   : Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers
> of YANG Data Model Documents
> > Author  : Andy Bierman
> >   Filename: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13.txt
> >   Pages   : 64
> >   Date: 2017-06-18
> >
> > Abstract:
> >This memo provides guidelines for authors and reviewers of
> Standards
> >Track specifications containing YANG data model modules. 
> Applicable
> >portions may be used as a basis for reviews of other YANG
> data model
> >documents.  Recommendations and procedures are defined, which are
> >intended to increase interoperability and usability of Network
> >Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) and RESTCONF protocol
> >implementations that utilize YANG data model modules.  This
> document
> >obsoletes RFC 6087.
> >
> >
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis/
> 
> >
> > There are also htmlized versions available at:
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13
> 
> >
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13
> 
> >
> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> >
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13
> 
> >
> >
> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time
> of submission
> > until the htmlized version and diff are available at
> tools.ietf.org .
> >
> > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
> 
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Re: [netmod] Small comment on draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13.txt

[Andy Bierman]

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Lou Berger  wrote:

> I happened to be looking at Appendix C.  YANG Module Template (because a
> YANG Dr pointed out that I wasn't following it in one of my drafts) and
> noticed an inconsistency.  The template says:
>Copyright (c)  IETF Trust and the persons
>identified as authors of the code.  All rights reserved.
>
> Which matches current trust language, so this is all good.
>
> But: the template then has
>Editor:   your-name
>  ";
>
> *and* no place to list all who authored the "code", i.e., the module.
> Given the copyright, I think the template should be revised to:
>
> OLD
>Editor:   your-name
>  ";
> NEW
>Authors:  //List all who contributed text to the module
>  your-name
>  ";
>
>

How about just "Authors".
It is an administrative nightmare to keep track of everyone who
contributed the tiniest edit to a module.  The module header would be 10
pages long
listing the name and email of anyone who contributed any text.
The draft itself has a contributors section.
The template has always been to list the document authors here.



> Lou
>

Andy


>
> On 6/19/2017 12:54 AM, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote:
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> > This draft is a work item of the NETCONF Data Modeling Language of the
> IETF.
> >
> > Title   : Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of YANG
> Data Model Documents
> > Author  : Andy Bierman
> >   Filename: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13.txt
> >   Pages   : 64
> >   Date: 2017-06-18
> >
> > Abstract:
> >This memo provides guidelines for authors and reviewers of Standards
> >Track specifications containing YANG data model modules.  Applicable
> >portions may be used as a basis for reviews of other YANG data model
> >documents.  Recommendations and procedures are defined, which are
> >intended to increase interoperability and usability of Network
> >Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) and RESTCONF protocol
> >implementations that utilize YANG data model modules.  This document
> >obsoletes RFC 6087.
> >
> >
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis/
> >
> > There are also htmlized versions available at:
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13
> >
> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13
> >
> >
> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> submission
> > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
> >
> > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
> >
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[netmod] Small comment on draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13.txt

[Lou Berger]

I happened to be looking at Appendix C.  YANG Module Template (because a
YANG Dr pointed out that I wasn't following it in one of my drafts) and
noticed an inconsistency.  The template says:
   Copyright (c)  IETF Trust and the persons
   identified as authors of the code.  All rights reserved.

Which matches current trust language, so this is all good.

But: the template then has
   Editor:   your-name
 ";

*and* no place to list all who authored the "code", i.e., the module. 
Given the copyright, I think the template should be revised to:

OLD
   Editor:   your-name
 ";
NEW
   Authors:  //List all who contributed text to the module
 your-name
 ";

Lou

On 6/19/2017 12:54 AM, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote:
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
> directories.
> This draft is a work item of the NETCONF Data Modeling Language of the IETF.
>
> Title   : Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of YANG Data 
> Model Documents
> Author  : Andy Bierman
>   Filename: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13.txt
>   Pages   : 64
>   Date: 2017-06-18
>
> Abstract:
>This memo provides guidelines for authors and reviewers of Standards
>Track specifications containing YANG data model modules.  Applicable
>portions may be used as a basis for reviews of other YANG data model
>documents.  Recommendations and procedures are defined, which are
>intended to increase interoperability and usability of Network
>Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) and RESTCONF protocol
>implementations that utilize YANG data model modules.  This document
>obsoletes RFC 6087.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis/
>
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-13
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>
> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>
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Re: [netmod] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module status and plans

[Vladimir Vassilev]

Hi Kent,

I followed the CCAMP thread concluding with 
https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ccamp/current/msg18142.html and 
IMO there is consensus that the draft should be move back to netmod.


Vladimir


On 06/22/2017 03:02 PM, Kent Watsen wrote:

Hi William,

Please be aware that this draft is moving to the CCAMP WG.  I don't think the 
ccamp-version of the draft has been posted yet, but it will be discussed in 
that WG (and not NETMOD) in Prague.

Regards,
Kent



On Jun 22, 2017, at 6:25 AM, William Lupton  wrote:

Dear all,

We at the Broadband Forum (BBF) would like to reiterate our interest in the 
draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module draft.

We will also have some technical comments / suggestions (internal discussion is 
ongoing) that we will share with NETMOD as soon as possible.

Thanks,
William


On 31 May 2017, at 13:08, Benoit Claise  wrote:

William,

This was discussed with the authors, the NETMOD chairs, and the RTG AD Deborah.
The advice was for the authors to raise the draft in ccamp and try to progress 
it there.

The authors updated their draft to version 2 and pinged the CCAMP mailing list 
(https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ccamp/current/msg18124.html).
 From that email thread, it seems there is interest in the work, but where to 
do the work is not clear.

My advice to the authors: continue progress this work and if CCAMP is not 
interested or consider this work too generic, bring it back to NETMOD and we'll 
follow normal WG process.

Regards, Benoit

All,

I heard from Kent that 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module was moving to 
CCAMP but I don’t see any mention of it at 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ccamp/documents (although it is shown as a 
dependency at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ccamp/deps/svg). Is any more info 
available please?

Thanks,
William

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