Speed of loading NetSurf
Loading/Running NetSurf (on an Iyonix at least) seems to take 30 seconds whereas running Oregano2 takes less that 3 seconds. [I am not including the time that NetSurf, when first run, uses looking at all the fonts]. Whilst I appreciate that the 10 times greater length of time spent running NetSurf may allow Netsurf to perform (when already running) much faster than Oregano2, is there any way of speeding up the loading/running of NetSurf? Both weigh in at about 5MB total of code. [Running NetSurf 2.1 (but any other version takes about the same length of time).] -- Cheers Roger If you don't know where you're going, you'll end up somewhere else.
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
In message 28366c6250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com you wrote: Loading/Running NetSurf (on an Iyonix at least) seems to take 30 seconds whereas running Oregano2 takes less that 3 seconds. [I am not including the time that NetSurf, when first run, uses looking at all the fonts]. That is odd. For me (NetSurf r7590, Iyonix RO 5.14) from clicking on !NetSurf's icon to the appearance of its iconbar icon takes under a second. Or were you referring to the time it takes to download a particular webpage? I find that that depends upon the vagaries of the internet - time for domain-name lookup, etc - and the size of the page. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
In article 52ef6d6250.wra...@wra1th.plus.com, Gavin Wraith ga...@wra1th.plus.com wrote: In message 28366c6250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com you wrote: Loading/Running NetSurf (on an Iyonix at least) seems to take 30 seconds whereas running Oregano2 takes less that 3 seconds. [I am not including the time that NetSurf, when first run, uses looking at all the fonts]. That is odd. For me (NetSurf r7590, Iyonix RO 5.14) from clicking on !NetSurf's icon to the appearance of its iconbar icon takes under a second. Only six or seven seconds here on a strongarm RPC, NetSurf 2.1, RISC OS 4.02 -- Russell Hafter - Mailing Lists rh.li...@phone.coop Need a hotel? http://www.hrs.de/?client=en__MTcustomerId=416873103 (NB This link needs Firefox to work)
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
In message 28366c6250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com Roger wrote: Loading/Running NetSurf (on an Iyonix at least) seems to take 30 seconds whereas running Oregano2 takes less that 3 seconds. [I am not including the time that NetSurf, when first run, uses looking at all the fonts]. [snip] Actually, I would like to suggest that the time taken for font scanning is now an issue since NS 2.1. It now takes several minutes to scan fonts on my home machine. Yes, I know its only on the first time NS is run, but I can't help thinking that this is all wasted time. After all, NS isn't going use all these fonts. Its only likely to need the standard set of ROM fonts. Maybe font scanning could be filtered? And also, once the fonts have been scanned where is the data cached? Is it wasting space somewhere by retaining font data for fonts that will probably never be used? Regarding non-font-related load time I don't seem to have a problem on Virtual RPC. Its certainly not taking 30 seconds. Mike
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
On 28 May 2009, Michael Drake wrote: In article 28366c6250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: Loading/Running NetSurf (on an Iyonix at least) seems to take 30 seconds whereas running Oregano2 takes less that 3 seconds. This can happen if you have a vast global history or collection of cookies. If you go to global history window and the cookie window and manager and delete unwanted stuff, does it get faster? Global history: [iconbar menu] Open Show global history Cookie manager: [iconbar menu] Open Show cookies Second response: Could it be the size of my NetSurf Memory cache, which is set at 6.4MB? -- Cheers Roger My friends think I'm surreal, but I've never been near a sword
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
In article 0a92786250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: Second response: Could it be the size of my NetSurf Memory cache, which is set at 6.4MB? That shouldn't matter. Please could you zip up and e-mail me the contents of your Choices directory for NetSurf. You can find it by double clicking OpenChoices in NetSurf's application directory. Michael -- Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
On 28 May 2009, Michael Drake wrote: In article 0a92786250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: Second response: Could it be the size of my NetSurf Memory cache, which is set at 6.4MB? That shouldn't matter. Please could you zip up and e-mail me the contents of your Choices directory for NetSurf. You can find it by double clicking OpenChoices in NetSurf's application directory. OK, have sent that privately Michael. This also prompted me to look in ScrapDirs.WWW.NetSurf.Cache. This contains a whopping 202MB in 5866 files. -- Cheers Roger Oh no! I've only just managed to get it all in of kilter.
bad formatting on whatismyisp
page display is unreadable: http://whatismyip.com/ first tried with Netsurf 2.0, installed 2.1, no better. -- Jim Nagelwww.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd(01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
In article 55618f6250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: OK, have sent that privately Michael. Thanks. This also prompted me to look in ScrapDirs.WWW.NetSurf.Cache. This contains a whopping 202MB in 5866 files. The reason for the slow load and big cache is you have NetSurf set to remember a year of browsing history. In NetSurf's choices choose Security, and lower the value for Duration in Site history. The default it 28 days. I'm not sure why we put that option in the Security section. Michael -- Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
On 28 May 2009, Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: In article 55618f6250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: [snip] This also prompted me to look in ScrapDirs.WWW.NetSurf.Cache. This contains a whopping 202MB in 5866 files. The reason for the slow load and big cache is you have NetSurf set to remember a year of browsing history. In NetSurf's choices choose Security, and lower the value for Duration in Site history. The default it 28 days. In my copy of NetSurf, Site history is set to 1 day, but Global history still has entries for Yesterday, Tuesday, Monday, Last week, 2 weeks ago and 3 weeks ago. It seems that expiry doesn't work correctly. I filed a bug report on 3 October 2007: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1806826group_id=51719atid=464312 The Cache contains thumbnail images, which should be displayed in the expanded entries in Global history. However, the association, between url and thumbnail, appears to be lost when NetSurf is quit so that, apart from those relating to the current session, the thumbnails - and cache - are superfluous. I described this problem, on 3 Dec 2008, in message 03ccf80750.old_coas...@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk but, in the absence of any response, didn't file a bug report. Perhaps I should do so now? Tony
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
On 28 May 2009, Michael Drake wrote: In article 55618f6250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: OK, have sent that privately Michael. Thanks. This also prompted me to look in ScrapDirs.WWW.NetSurf.Cache. This contains a whopping 202MB in 5866 files.. The reason for the slow load and big cache is you have NetSurf set to remember a year of browsing history. In NetSurf's choices choose Security, and lower the value for Duration in Site history. The default it 28 days. I'm not sure why we put that option in the Security section. OK, thanks Michael. with the scrapfile cache deleted, and it set to 28 days, it loads in a matter of 2 seconds :-)) -- Cheers Roger Do you Yahoo? Not if I can help it, but I do yell the occasional 'Yabbadabba Doo'
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In article 715a976250.old_coas...@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk, Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 28 May 2009, Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: In article 55618f6250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: [snip] This also prompted me to look in ScrapDirs.WWW.NetSurf.Cache. This contains a whopping 202MB in 5866 files. The reason for the slow load and big cache is you have NetSurf set to remember a year of browsing history. In NetSurf's choices choose Security, and lower the value for Duration in Site history. The default it 28 days. In my copy of NetSurf, Site history is set to 1 day, but Global history still has entries for Yesterday, Tuesday, Monday, Last week, 2 weeks ago and 3 weeks ago. If I understand it right, the site history setting controls how long things like thumbnails are kept in the cache. I think the global history is fixed at 28 days. Michael -- Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
Re: bad formatting on whatismyisp
Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: page display is unreadable: http://whatismyip.com/ first tried with Netsurf 2.0, installed 2.1, no better. The problem is in the style sheet and is associated with percentage values for right:, width:, left: etc. I vaguely recall reading that this is not yet implemented, at least I think I do. I replaced the column settings percentage values with improbably well judged/guessed absolute values and the page displayed OK. To bypass the css save the page source and run it locally. -- David Pitt MessengerPro on iMac
Re: bad formatting on whatismyisp
On 28 May, Jim Nagel wrote: page display is unreadable: http://whatismyip.com/ first tried with Netsurf 2.0, installed 2.1, no better. There are alternatives - try http://whatismyipaddress.com/ -- Brian Howlett - Isn't it strange that the same people that laugh at gypsy fortune tellers take economists seriously?
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
On 28 May 2009, Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: In article 715a976250.old_coas...@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk, Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 28 May 2009, Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: In article 55618f6250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: [snip] This also prompted me to look in ScrapDirs.WWW.NetSurf.Cache. This contains a whopping 202MB in 5866 files. The reason for the slow load and big cache is you have NetSurf set to remember a year of browsing history. In NetSurf's choices choose Security, and lower the value for Duration in Site history. The default it 28 days. In my copy of NetSurf, Site history is set to 1 day, but Global history still has entries for Yesterday, Tuesday, Monday, Last week, 2 weeks ago and 3 weeks ago. If I understand it right, the site history setting controls how long things like thumbnails are kept in the cache. I think the global history is fixed at 28 days. The User Guide says otherwise: Site history NetSurf records all the web sites you have visited as part of its global history feature. Entries can be deleted from the global history window directly and NetSurf allows the length of time items are kept in global history to be configured. Duration This option can be used to set the length of time entries are stored in global history, before they are deleted. Setting the duration to zero days turns off the global history feature. Tony
Re: bad formatting on whatismyisp
In article be82906250@nails.ukonline.co.uk, Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: page display is unreadable: http://whatismyip.com/ first tried with NetSurf 2.0, installed 2.1, no better. Fixed in the latest test build: http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/riscos/testbuilds Thanks for reporting. -- Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
Re: bad formatting on whatismyisp
In article 0be8996250.br...@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk, Brian Howlett brian.gro...@brianhowlett.me.uk wrote: page display is unreadable: http://whatismyip.com/ first tried with Netsurf 2.0, installed 2.1, no better. There are alternatives - try http://whatismyipaddress.com/ I wasn't very worried about the answer from the site, but woud be interested to know why the erroneous display varied from day to day. Thanks, though, for the other address. -- David Wild using RISC OS on broadband www.davidhwild.me.uk
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 19:44:31 +0100 Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote: Maybe font canning could be filtered? And also, once the fonts have been canned where is the data cached? Is it wasting space somewhere y retaining font data for fonts that will probably never be used? It's stored in !Scrap (in a file called RUfl_cache). On this machine, with a few fonts installed, it takes up 277K. I think that's a reasonable price to pay for improved text display. And is another reason why people shouldn't keep !Scrap in a RAM disc, which is sadly a common misconceived practise (certainly on Iyonixes!) I did specify a !Caches to go along with !Scrap at one point; and a developer (whose name is clouded in an evening of real ale) has taken the idea on; but I don't believe anything actually uses it. B.
