Re: test builds after 2.5

2010-05-19 Thread Tim Hill
In article mpro.l2mqgk00ozzow04zw.li...@stevefryatt.org.uk, Steve
Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote:
 On 18 May, george wrote in message d3906f1951.acl...@tiscali.co.uk:

  You did say it. OK, the word 'stable' was not used, but implied: see
  TIB article 'Last RISC OS version of NetSurf announced', dated 14 Jan
  2010:
  
  Team spokesman Michael Drake said earlier today: NetSurf 2.5 is
  likely to be the last release for RISC OS. It is unlikely that RISC
  OS development builds will function for much longer after this,
  either.

 You can make statements say anything you want, if you take selective
 bits out of context and quote them.  The rest of that Iconbar article
 made the situation clear, although the headline was a lillte tabloid
 (and I pointed that out at the time).

Well, tabloid papers tell lies, so what does that mean?!  ;-)

Before entering into another didn't say that debate may I please point
out that the essence of good communication is ensuring that the message
received is the one sent. If discussion reveals that an unintended
message is received by some there can be many reasons for this, not just
what was originally (not) said. Constantly repeating 'that's not what was
meant, read it' is unhelpful if the wrong nuances are still clouding
minds. What does 'likely' mean to different people? Almost certain?

Many corporate press releases are intended to clarify as well as inform.
I believe that you have confirmed that limited development of RISC OS
NetSurf continues, despite the /impression/ given elsewhere.

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Tim Hill,

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Re: test builds after 2.5

2010-05-19 Thread Tim Hill
In article 7c95871951.davehig...@dsl.pipex.com, Dave Higton
davehig...@dsl.pipex.com wrote:
 In message 20100518172458.4024b...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net Rob
   Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

  On Tue, 18 May 2010 16:35:12 +0100 george
  george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
  
   Since the developers have stated that NetSurf 2.5 will be the last
   stable RISC OS release
  
  Where did the developers say this?  I don't remember any of us every
  saying this.  Just that it was likely if somebody didn't come in and
  help with the RISC OS front end.
  
  Can people who keep saying this please stop saying it until we say it.

 Agreed.  I continue to be amazed at the number of people who post to RO
 mailing lists and newsgroups, who have poor comprehension skills; i.e.
 they read some words and somehow extract a meaning from them that is
 clearly different from what was written.

Welcome to the real world. 

www.plainspeaking..co.uk is worth a read.

A tip: try and avoid woolly words and be precise in what you say.

-- 
Tim Hill,

www.timil.com




Viewing box outlines

2010-05-19 Thread Gavin Wraith
I am happy to see the SHIFT-F11 function for viewing box outlines.
How does one turn it off?

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Re: Viewing box outlines

2010-05-19 Thread Richard Porter
On 19 May 2010 Gavin Wraith  wrote:

 I am happy to see the SHIFT-F11 function for viewing box outlines.
 How does one turn it off?

SHIFT-F11

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Re: Viewing box outlines

2010-05-19 Thread Tim Hill
In article 8ed4de1951.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter
r...@minijem.plus.com wrote:
 On 19 May 2010 Gavin Wraith  wrote:

  I am happy to see the SHIFT-F11 function for viewing box outlines.
  How does one turn it off?

 SHIFT-F11

Or click a button with www.timil.com/riscos/Buttonbar4Netsurf.zip

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Tim Hill,

www.timil.com




Re: Viewing box outlines

2010-05-19 Thread Gavin Wraith
In message 8ed4de1951.r...@user.minijem.plus.com you wrote:

 On 19 May 2010 Gavin Wraith  wrote:

  I am happy to see the SHIFT-F11 function for viewing box outlines.
  How does one turn it off?

 SHIFT-F11

Thanks. I tried that and it did not work, but now I know that it was
a dodgy SHIFT key that was the trouble.
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