Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread Bryan Hogan
In message <58d83a9b0bstuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
  lists  wrote:

> Copying text from a web page is fine, the problem occurs when trying to
> copy a URL,

Arrggh, so why didn't you say that in the first place?!?

In that case it is an icon, therefore the cut and paste is being handled 
by the Wimp since sometime around the end of last year (IIRC), so you'll 
need to report any problems on the ROOL forum.

These changes will also be partly the cause of Harriet's original problem, 
as the Wimp's attempts to handle clicks/drags/highlights in the icon are 
overriding NetSurf's handling of it.

To get round this, maybe NetSurf could have an icon at the end of the URL 
bar that can be dragged? (I know, RO developer needed!)

Bryan.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread Harriet Bazley
On 1 Dec 2020 as I do recall,
  John Rickman  wrote:

> In message <58d83a9b0bstuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
>   lists  wrote:

[snip]


> > Copying text from a web page is fine, the problem occurs when trying to
> > copy a URL, as one might if sending a link to someone else for example.
> 
> You can drag URLs directly from the address bar and drop them into the 
> target area - no need for copy and paste.
> 
You can't in versions later than v5220 - which is what started this
thread.  The feature has disappeared.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread John Rickman
In message <58d83a9b0bstuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
  lists  wrote:

> In article <8cf133d858.tig...@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
>Nick Roberts  wrote:

>> I just tried that on my NetSurf #5223 and it worked fine to copy text
>> from a web page into zap (except using Ctrl-Y on zap rather than
>> Ctrl-V).

>> I may be trying to do something different to what you meant, but if so
>> your description wasn't as clear as it needs to be.

> Copying text from a web page is fine, the problem occurs when trying to
> copy a URL, as one might if sending a link to someone else for example.

You can drag URLs directly from the address bar and drop them into the 
target area - no need for copy and paste.

John

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread Harriet Bazley
On 1 Dec 2020 as I do recall,
  lists  wrote:

> In article <8cf133d858.tig...@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
>Nick Roberts  wrote:
> 
> > I just tried that on my NetSurf #5223 and it worked fine to copy text
> > from a web page into zap (except using Ctrl-Y on zap rather than
> > Ctrl-V).
> 
> > I may be trying to do something different to what you meant, but if so
> > your description wasn't as clear as it needs to be.
> 
> Copying text from a web page is fine, the problem occurs when trying to
> copy a URL, as one might if sending a link to someone else for example.
> 
I did discover a bug when trying to select and copy from the URL bar
(which I was trying in order to circumvent the lack of drag, although
it's a rather more laborious operation).

If you use Ctrl-A to select the content of the icon, a single click
elsewhere in the document (or even back in the same icon) doesn't then
clear the selection.  In fact, you can start a drag and create a
*second* highlighted selection elsewhere in Netsurf - the URL bar just
goes to a paler highlight, and then if you click in it again you end up
with two black selected areas in the same window.
Normally, clicking elsewhere in the same window is expected to clear any
existing selection.  The only way to clear the URL bar at all appears to
be by an explicit Ctrl-Z with the cursor in the icon, and it took me a
long time to discover that option for getting rid of it!

If you 'select' the URL bar with Ctrl-A, then create a selection
elsewhere, then click back into the URL bar (creating two simultaneous
selections), then press Ctrl-C, doing a paste from the clipboard into
another app will transfer the selected text from the URL bar, but doing
a 'Selection->Save' via the menu structure will save the selection from
the work area instead.   :-D

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread Dave
In article <58d82e7635stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
   lists  wrote:
> In article <20a91ad858.br...@helpful-demon.co.uk>,
>Bryan Hogan  wrote:

> > > Copy and Paste hasn't worked properly in NetSurf for ages.

> > You might need to be just a *little* bit more specific than that if
> > you actually want anything done about it.

> > Although in my experience, cut and paste works fine, I'm regularly
> > using it.

> Copy and paste:

> Drag cursor along text to mark it, Hit CTRL-C, place curser where text is
> required, CTRL-V

> You can no longer mark the text. When you try you end up with a funny
> little square which you have to drag into your document and it lands up
> wherever you happen to have left the cursor, which invariably isn't where
> you want it placed.

> This is contrary to every other copy operation in RISC OS or, as far as
> I am aware Windows either, which is why I say it doesn't work properly,
> i.e. as it should.

Here using NS 5223 I can copy and paste without problems, I can also copy
and paste out of the URL bar.

But as Harriet notes, unlike in past times we cannot drag the URL out to
another place.

Dave

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread lists
In article <8cf133d858.tig...@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
   Nick Roberts  wrote:

> I just tried that on my NetSurf #5223 and it worked fine to copy text
> from a web page into zap (except using Ctrl-Y on zap rather than
> Ctrl-V).

> I may be trying to do something different to what you meant, but if so
> your description wasn't as clear as it needs to be.

Copying text from a web page is fine, the problem occurs when trying to
copy a URL, as one might if sending a link to someone else for example.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread Nick Roberts
In message <58d82e7635stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
   lists  wrote:

> In article <20a91ad858.br...@helpful-demon.co.uk>,
>Bryan Hogan  wrote:
> 
> > > Copy and Paste hasn't worked properly in NetSurf for ages.
> 
> > You might need to be just a *little* bit more specific than that if
> > you  actually want anything done about it.
> 
> > Although in my experience, cut and paste works fine, I'm regularly
> > using  it.
> 
> Copy and paste:
> 
> Drag cursor along text to mark it, Hit CTRL-C, place curser where
> text is required, CTRL-V
> 
> You can no longer mark the text. When you try you end up with a funny
> little square which you have to drag into your document and it lands
> up wherever you happen to have left the cursor, which invariably
> isn't where you want it placed.
> 
> This is contrary to every other copy operation in RISC OS or, as far
> as I am aware Windows either, which is why I say it doesn't work
> properly, i.e. as it should.

I just tried that on my NetSurf #5223 and it worked fine to copy text
from a web page into zap (except using Ctrl-Y on zap rather than
Ctrl-V).

I may be trying to do something different to what you meant, but if so
your description wasn't as clear as it needs to be.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread lists
In article <20a91ad858.br...@helpful-demon.co.uk>,
   Bryan Hogan  wrote:

> > Copy and Paste hasn't worked properly in NetSurf for ages.

> You might need to be just a *little* bit more specific than that if you 
> actually want anything done about it.

> Although in my experience, cut and paste works fine, I'm regularly using 
> it.

Copy and paste:

Drag cursor along text to mark it, Hit CTRL-C, place curser where text is
required, CTRL-V

You can no longer mark the text. When you try you end up with a funny
little square which you have to drag into your document and it lands up
wherever you happen to have left the cursor, which invariably isn't where
you want it placed.

This is contrary to every other copy operation in RISC OS or, as far as I
am aware Windows either, which is why I say it doesn't work properly, i.e.
as it should.

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Re: Dragging from URL icon

2020-12-01 Thread Bryan Hogan
In message <58d5f4ba4bstuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
  lists  wrote:

> Copy and Paste hasn't worked properly in NetSurf for ages.

You might need to be just a *little* bit more specific than that if you 
actually want anything done about it.

Although in my experience, cut and paste works fine, I'm regularly using 
it.

Bryan.

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