Re: Forcing website menus to reveal themselves

[Richard Ashbery]

In article <56cee47a3d...@timil.com>, Tim Hill <t...@timil.com> wrote:
> In article <56cedd0d61ris...@gotadsl.co.uk>, Richard Ashbery
> <ris...@gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
> > Is there anyway of showing Javascript driven drop down menus?

> Are you certain they are JavaScript? 

Unscientific guesswork I'm afraid.

> I have never been able to get CSS-only drop-down menus to work in
> NS.

Pity. Thanks for getting back Tim.

Richard

Forcing website menus to reveal themselves

[Richard Ashbery]

Is there anyway of showing Javascript driven drop down menus?

Richard

Re: Page causes crash

[Richard Ashbery]

In article <eeef309356.ke...@talktalk.net>, Kevin Wells
<k...@kevsoft.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <56932f703bris...@gotadsl.co.uk> Richard Ashbery
>   <ris...@gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:

> >In article <56932513adli...@torrens.org>, Richard Torrens (lists)
> ><li...@torrens.org> wrote:
> >> This may not be a Netsurf thing, but it happens rarely on
> >> anything other than Nersurf.
> >
> >> The whole of this ARMX6's networking crashes. The only way I
> >> have found to recover is a reset.
> >
> >> I have found a page which seems to cause this fairly reliably:
> >> http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/water-vole-hole.html
> >
> >
> >> Does this happen to anyone else? RO 5.23 (29-Jun-16) NS 3.8 (Dev
> >> CI #4238) and earlier versions for some time.
> >
> >Page loads without image but doesn't crash.
> >
> >ARMX6 RISC OS 5.23 (19-Apr-17) NS 3.8 (Dev C1 #4238) TurboLANv2

> Are your Alignment Exceptions turnd on or off?

Always keep them on unless troubleshooting but even when off I still
see no image. Likewise with Javascript - whether on or off makes no
difference. Why do other see the image?



Richard

Re: Page causes crash

[Richard Ashbery]

In article <56932513adli...@torrens.org>, Richard Torrens (lists)
 wrote:
> This may not be a Netsurf thing, but it happens rarely on anything
> other than Nersurf.

> The whole of this ARMX6's networking crashes. The only way I have
> found to recover is a reset.

> I have found a page which seems to cause this fairly reliably:
> http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/water-vole-hole.html


> Does this happen to anyone else? RO 5.23 (29-Jun-16) NS 3.8 (Dev CI
> #4238) and earlier versions for some time.

Page loads without image but doesn't crash.

ARMX6 RISC OS 5.23 (19-Apr-17)
NS 3.8 (Dev C1 #4238)
TurboLANv2

Richard

Re: unresizable web page (last bank standing)

[Richard Ashbery]

In article <89691e5c55@abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel
<nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Richard Ashbery  wrote on 5 Mar:
> > Now downloaded C1 #3433 and image displays correctly. Resizing
> > enlarges picture as expected. Text remains same size.

> Yes, here too, having newly updated to #3433.  So thanks to the
> Netsurf team for correcting whatever it was.

Would problem be associated with one of the third party apps.

I always use Fetch_NS to retrieve the latese NS release which I
suspect does the third party installation as well. I've just realised
I'm using an older Fetch_NS than I should - must update this.


Is there anyway of getting into the NASA site? All I get is a blank
page - presumably because it is Javascript rich Grhhh :-(

Richard
NS C1 #3433

Re: unresizable web page (last bank standing)

[Richard Ashbery]

In article , Dave Higton
 wrote:
> In message <555bc1e2c8...@timil.com> Tim Hill  wrote:

> > In article , Jim Nagel
> >  wrote:
> > > Is it something about the coding of this site or about
> > > Netsurf's rendering of it?  Or maybe it's in the CSS of the
> > > page?
> >
> > > https://www.change.org/p/last-bank-standing-don-t-let-communities-lose-their-only-bank
> >
> >
> > > The picture displays so huge as to be unrecognizable pixels;
> > > paragraphs of text are a single line so wide that they are
> > > unreadable.
> >
> > > Resizing the Netsurf window (even with Ctrl on the Resize icon)
> > > does nothing but make the font smaller -- text remains a single
> > > line.
> >
> > > Using Netsurf #3382 on Ro 5.23.
> >
> > 3403 on 5.18 looks 'okay'. Though not perfect, it doesn't do what
> > you describe and is legible.

> It works fine with CI #3433.  The image adjusts to fit the width of

3305 displays the picture correctly but when I tried yesterday
it displayed exactly as Jim described. Weird :-(

Now downloaded C1 #3433 and image displays correctly. Resizing enlarges
picture as expected. Text remains same size.

Richard

Iyonix RISC OS 5.20

Re: The Kingfisher by Corne van Oosterhout

[Richard Ashbery]

In article <553e644e0bbbai...@argonet.co.uk>, Brian
<bbai...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <553e5f2a40ris...@gotadsl.co.uk>, Richard Ashbery
> <ris...@gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <553e513519bbai...@argonet.co.uk>, Brian
> ><bbai...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > I know that this is very much a technical newsgroup but I just
> > > could not fail to be impressed how well NetSurf renders the
> > > following,

> > > http://totallycoolpix.com/magazine/2016/01/the-kingfisher-by-corne-van-oosterhout

> > Text overlaps the right-hand margin which makes it difficult to
> > read.

> Now that is odd because that isn't happening here. Also #3252.

Fair point Brian. If you resize the image to 2/3 of the horizontal
screen area (1080 monitor) then all the text can be seen.

Richard

Re: The Kingfisher by Corne van Oosterhout

[Richard Ashbery]

In article <553e513519bbai...@argonet.co.uk>,
   Brian  wrote:
> I know that this is very much a technical newsgroup but I just could not
> fail to be impressed how well NetSurf renders the following,

> http://totallycoolpix.com/magazine/2016/01/the-kingfisher-by-corne-van-oosterhout

> some sort of photography!?!

I'm afraid Brian - in this case the credit should be given to the
photographer not our wonderful NetSurf Team. As soon as you enter the
site with NetSurf 3.4 (Dev C1 #3252) there is a large amount of white
space on the right-hand-side before you get to Corne's photography which
I must confess is brilliant. Text overlaps the right-hand margin which
makes it difficult to read.

A couple of the pictures are quite extraordinary - it reveals the
'Nictitating' membrane that covers the eye to protect the bird when
diving for fish. Superb :-))

Richard

Re: Javascript Date() function corrected?

[Richard Ashbery]

In article <9da78e3c55.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young
 wrote:
> On 3 Jan 2016  Dave Higton  wrote:

> > In message <7b97583c55.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Peter Young
> >    wrote:

> >>On 3 Jan 2016  Dave Higton  wrote:
> >>
> >>> At some stage recently the Javascript Date() function appears
> >>> to have been fixed.  Previously, when DST was in force, the
> >>> time was shown as 1 hour in advance (double correction).
> >>
> >>> The attached is a short file to test it, and I would appreciate
> >>> your feedback as to whether it now shows the correct time for
> >>> everyone, with and without DST in force.
> >>
> >>> There is a new RISC OS build CI #3249 today.
> >>
> >>Works here, with that build. RISC OS 5.23 (RComp), ARMX6.

> > With and without DST in force?

> How do I tell, before the end of March?

Time and date Configuration utility in !Boot?

Richard

Re: Google

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 54c34a2274joh...@ukgateway.net, John Williams
joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:
 In article 54c3467e90ris...@gotadsl.co.uk, Richard Ashbery
ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:

  I've just tried Google again with Javascript off and a search
  works normally. Anyone able to confirm?

 Yes, it's fine again!

 Perhaps my feedback was noted! Message-ID:
 54c0f9056fjoh...@ukgateway.net

  I have used the Send feedback link on the bottom of a search page
  to send this.  I hope others will follow.

Have done that but mainly thanking them for mending their broken code.

If it goes belly-up again we can always use your rather clever
Javascript control utility.

Richard

Re: Google

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 54c2328532joh...@ukgateway.net, John Williams
joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:
 In article 1c3b90c054.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter
r...@minijem.plus.com wrote:

  I think it's absolutely essential that we have a javascript
  on/off button on the toolbar. If javescript is off google won't
  work and if it's on streetmap.co.uk won't work.

I've just tried Google again with Javascript off and a search works
normally. Anyone able to confirm?

Richard

Re: Google

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 54c0f71aa9li...@torrens.org.uk, Richard Torrens (lists)

  But that doesn't work on Netsurf :-( It just oscillates the same
  :-(

 Sorry, I've confused myself by togling JS once too many times.

 The search script on my www site does work with JF off: Relevant
 bit is


 !-- Search Google -- PFORM method=GET
 action=http://www.google.com/custom TABLE bgcolor=#FF
 cellspacing=0 border=0 td INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=40
 maxlength=255 value= INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE=Google
 Search brinput type=radio name=sitesearch value= checked
 Search WWW /td/tr/TABLE /FORM !-- Search Google --

 Save that as search/html, re-type is as faf (html) and use it

I use an Image search - can it be modified to show these rather than
the default text search or have I missed the whole point?

Can some clever programmer offer to incorporate an icon in the NetSurf
main window to disable Javascript instead of going through Choices? I
think this has already been suggested - it sounded like a good idea?

Richard

Re: spurious grey areas on displayed page

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 7fed4f7354@abbeypress.net, Jim Nagel
nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote:
 I see this more and more often of late: large grey areas on a web
 page as displayed by Netsurf.  Drag a menu (or other window) over
 the grey, and the trail goes white.  You never know what content
 is never shown.

 Example: 
 http://www.cnet.com/products/hp-color-laserjet-cp2025/specs/

 Is it because the site uses too much Javascript (the usual
 stumbleblock) or because of some other problem?  Just curious.

Yes. F8, third line.

Richard

Strange NetSurf title bar on disc-based websites

[Richard Ashbery]

I'm sure there were some posts about viewing local disc-based websites
and the strange filename (a typical title will be prefixed with
(file:///ADFS%3A%3AHardDisc4.%24/) in NetSurf's title bar but I can't
find them.

Is there anyway of giving the title bar the proper file path location
(example ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Mywebsite/Index.htm)?

Richard

Re: Strange NetSurf title bar on disc-based websites

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 20131114161749.gb1...@pepperfish.net, Rob Kendrick
r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 03:58:01PM +, Richard Ashbery wrote:
  Is there anyway of giving the title bar the proper file path
  location (example ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Mywebsite/Index.htm)?

 Yes, include titleADFS::HardDisc4.$.Mywebsite/Index.htm/title
 in the header section of your HTML file. :)

I guess I should have thought about that - many thanks - does the job.

 If there is no title tag, NetSurf will use the URL to the resource.

Confirmed :-)

Regards

Richard

Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 63e60e1153.ch...@cdewhurst2010.btinternet.com,
   Christoper Dewhurst cdewhurst2...@btinternet.com wrote:
 Dear all

 Just to let you know that with the able and willing assistance of
 John-Mark Bell we have solved the problem.

 I had an out-of-date version of a module installed, called
 CryptRandom. Originally (when Netsurf reported it needed CryptRand)
 I'd Googled for CryptRandom and the search results delivered 1
 June 2012...Current version is 0.03

 I had version 0.12 installed. Naturally I had (mistakenly as it
 turned out) assumed that version 0.12 was later than version 0.03,
 whereas in fact the latest version is in fact 0.13.

 I daresay you probably all have got version 0.13 anyway but just to
 make you aware if you haven't!

 Thanks again to John-Mark and the team

Thanks for letting us know. New versions can be obtained from...

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~theom/riscos/crypto/index.html

Richard

Re: Fetching NetSurf

[Richard Ashbery]

  And Netsurf 3.0 (Dev C1 #463) now works well, so more thanks.

 Ditto here. Thanks for #463  Fetch_NS

Excellent utility John - great time saver - many thanks

Richard

Re: Fetching NetSurf

[Richard Ashbery]

In article a64c8dde52.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young
pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:
 On 14 Oct 2012  Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:

  And Netsurf 3.0 (Dev C1 #463) now works well, so more thanks.

  Ditto here. Thanks for #463  Fetch_NS

  Excellent utility John - great time saver - many thanks

 Bewilderment continues here, I'm afraid. It seems that my previous
 download was corrupted somehow, and there's potential for it
 working on the ARMini, but it does nothing at all on VRPC running
 RISC OS 4.02.

Peter - what I didn't clarify is that John's utility and curl works
correctly on the Iyonix (RISC OS 5.18) but not on BB (RISC OS 5.19). I
get the same segmentation fault you highlighted earlier.

Would be nice to see curl work on ARMv7.

Richard

Re: Fetching NetSurf

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 52de8f9e88ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk, cj
ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote:
 In article a64c8dde52.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young
pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:
  unless I open the library so that cURL is booted.

 Are you putting the curl *binary* in to Boot:Library? If you are
 putting the !cURL *application* in Boot:Library it will not work
 because nothing in Boot:Library is booted at boot time. Either
 extract the cURL binary from the app and put in to Library or put
 the !cURL application in to eg Boot:Resources, where the app will
 be booted.

Confirmed - !cURL application must be in Boot:Resources

Excuse me butting in but on BB -xM (RISC OS 5.19) with !cURL application
in Boot:Resources segmentation fault occurs as described in Peter's
earlier posting.

On my Iyonix (RISC OS 5.18) !cURL is in Boot:Resources and in
conjunction with !Fetch_NS all works correctly without error.

Regards

Richard

Re: configuring default a:link colour??

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 526c29a779ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk,
   cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote:
 There is also a setting in the file CSS:

 a:link { color: #00f; text-decoration: underline; }

 However, changing the definitions in both css files makes damm all
 difference to the display after rebooting netsurf.

 It must be being set somewhere else, or being ignored.

Isn't this problem related to Pseudo classes which are not yet
supported. This was answered in January by Michael Drake.

-- 
Richard Ashbery

Wakefield 2012 - Saturday 28th April
http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk

Re: configuring default a:link colour??

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 526c494682t...@netsurf-browser.org, Michael Drake
t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 In article 526c446522ris...@gotadsl.co.uk, Richard Ashbery
ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:

  Isn't this problem related to Pseudo classes which are not yet
  supported. This was answered in January by Michael Drake.

 The :link pseudo class is supported.  It's the dynamic pseudo
 classes (:active, :hover, and :visited) that aren't supported.

Thanks for the correction.

-- 
Richard Ashbery

Wakefield 2012 - Saturday 28th April
http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk

Re: This site requires CSS to be enabled...

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 64b9cd4d52.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk, Harriet Bazley
li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:
 http://www.penninewaterways.co.uk/rochdale/archive01.htm

 This site apparently requires something more than CCS to be enabled
 in order to reveal the 'hidden' portions of each image...


 Is the problem in the 'hover' attributes?

Yes - I think it is - isn't this a problem with CSS Pseudo-classes?
Have a look at Development Progress CSS features.. Status - says
'Just started'. 

NetSurf.. Rev 13329

-- 
Richard Ashbery

Wakefield 2012 - Saturday 28th April
http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk

Massive improvement in scroll wheel speed

[Richard Ashbery]

I'm sure most of you will already have downloaded newer versions of
the NS test-builds but for those who haven't its worth doing if only
for the improvements to the scroll wheel speed. Scrolling is more akin
to what one expects in StrongED and EasiWriter.

Excellent work Steve.

-- 
Richard Ashbery

Wakefield 2012 - Saturday 28th April
http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk

Re: Faulty page or faulty browser?

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 520ac71d6a...@timil.com, Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote:
 In article 520abc737ajoh...@ukgateway.net, John Williams
 joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:
  In article 520aba7967joh...@ukgateway.net, John Williams
 joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:

 To see (hopefully) that entire legacy site in NetSurf please try
 this:

 http://timil.com/pirate.king

Makes my eyes go funny ;-)

Richard

Re: Summary of recent changes

[Richard Ashbery]

Thanks to the NetSurf team - for r10795.

Initial checks on printing Portrait and Landscape mode via Gutenprint
(V2.40) seem fine. 

I see you've made a start on CSS Pseudo-classes/Pseudo-elements.
Presumably it won't be too long before NetSurf will respond to a
colour change after visiting a link.

Regards

Richard

(RISC OS 5.16)

Re: Scroll wheel scrolling hangs?

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 1281958995.4c69245373...@netmail.pipex.net, dave higton
davehig...@dsl.pipex.com wrote:
 Quoting Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk:

  (Using RISC OS 5.13. I am going to update but so many other
  things get

 Richard, you really, really, really need to upgrade to 5.16.

 The process is quick and easy.  The longest part is the downloading
 of the file.

Thanks for the reminder Dave - I will as soon as possible.

Richard

Re: Warning - NetSurf crashes

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 50b6fc6547p...@sprie.nl,
   Paul Sprangers p...@sprie.nl wrote:

  Warning - Control-dragging images off websites to directories

 Control-dragging...?
 Stone me, that's clever! I didn't know that (as usual).

Embarrassingly I didn't know this either but not so long ago one of
the excellent NetSurf guys informed me that this can be done.

Regards

Richard

Warning - NetSurf crashes

[Richard Ashbery]

Warning - Control-dragging images off websites to directories that are
nested too deeply may result in NetSurf crashing (icon disappears).

Unrelated I think but I also reported a bug (ID 2827842) on 27-07-2009
on the support tracker where the NetSurf icon disappears after
Adjust-clicking on Save icon. I did manage to send an error report.
R9662 still exhibits this behaviour but no report is offered.

Richard

Re: Serious error when doing a full save to disc

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 5081000228ris...@gotadsl.co.uk, Richard Ashbery
ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:
 In article 5080f26f2erh.li...@phone.coop, Russell Hafter - Lists
 rh.li...@phone.coop wrote:
  In article 30e4ec8050.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Dr Peter
  Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:
   On 26 Jul 2009  Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:

Serious Save bug when Adjust-clicking on Save icon. A fatal
error from NetSurf occurs (must exit immediately) and icon
disappears from iconbar.

A good site to try this on is.
  http://vector.tutsplus.com/tutorials/illustration/how-to-convert-a-photograph-into-abstract-line-art/


RISCOS 5.13/NetSurf r8791 (25-07-09).

   Seems to work OK here. Same page, same test-build, RISC OS 5.14

  And here too with the same page; r8240, RISC OS 4.02, Strongarm.

Still having difficulties. Anything later than r5991 (08-01-09) seems to
produce a full save error. What is the significance of Fatal signal
received: Segmentation fault reported at the end of the error log.

Regards

Richard

Re: Serious error when doing a full save to disc

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 1248697518.32517.537.ca...@duiker, John-Mark Bell
j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 13:13 +0100, Richard Ashbery wrote:
  In article 5081000228ris...@gotadsl.co.uk, Richard Ashbery
  ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:
   In article 5080f26f2erh.li...@phone.coop, Russell Hafter -
   Lists rh.li...@phone.coop wrote:
In article 30e4ec8050.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Dr
Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:
 On 26 Jul 2009  Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk
 wrote:
  
  Serious Save bug when Adjust-clicking on Save icon. A
  fatal error from NetSurf occurs (must exit immediately)
  and icon disappears from iconbar.
  
  A good site to try this on is.
http://vector.tutsplus.com/tutorials/illustration/how-to-convert-a-photograph-into-abstract-line-art/

[snip]

  
  Still having difficulties. Anything later than r5991 (08-01-09)
  seems to produce a full save error. What is the significance of
  Fatal signal received: Segmentation fault reported at the end
  of the error log.

 Without the rest of the log file, noone can say. Please report this
 on the bug tracker, attaching a zipped copy of the log file created
 by this crash.

I'll have ago.

Richard

Serious error when doing a full save to disc

[Richard Ashbery]

Serious Save bug when Adjust-clicking on Save icon. A fatal error from
NetSurf occurs (must exit immediately) and icon disappears from
iconbar. 

A good site to try this on is.
http://vector.tutsplus.com/tutorials/illustration/how-to-convert-a-photograph-into-abstract-line-art/

Occured on previous release but sorry I didn't report it. Could it be
related to the enormous file line lengths?

RISCOS 5.13/NetSurf r8791 (25-07-09). 

Regards

Richard

Re: Google maps

[Richard Ashbery]

In article c779475b50.c.n@virgin.net, Chris F
c.n@virgin.net wrote:
 In message 4023688e165c2b03db53ae009f5464bd.squir...@webmail.uio.no
   M.I. Abdullah m.i.abdul...@bio.uio.no wrote:

 
   On 14 May, Paul Stwart paulstew...@phawfaux.co.uk wrote:
  .
  .
   maps.google.co.uk works fine here on NS r7453 on the A9home.
  
   And on the RiscPC.
 
  Also using NS r7453 on Iyonix. get only some active links (5) but
  no graphics or any of the furniture on the Maps page. Have
  retired the RiscPC unfortunately.  Similar results with Oregano
  2. Regards
 
 Seems to render ok here with WebsterXL 1.99u15 No link to google
 earth of course but searches, zooms and n.s.e  w ok.

I've just re-checked and maps do display correctly with NetSurf 2.0.

Regards

Richard

Re: Google maps

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 6b393df328e3872ee80ac0a5ed1a09a5.squir...@webmail.uio.no,
   M.I. Abdullah m.i.abdul...@bio.uio.no wrote:
 Hi all
 Has anyone managed successfully to display Google Maps on the Iyonix.
 Would greatly appreciate any tips.

 Best regards

 Mohamed Abdullah

I'm afraid its the old problem - Javascript or lack of it :-(

I understand that the Google are releasing money to a programming team
to undertake the preparation for Javascript implementation in NetSurf
- this has got to be good news.

Regards

Richard

Re: Extracting a JPEG from a web page for a backdrop generator

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 50412f4995t...@netsurf-browser.org, Michael Drake
t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 In article 5041299e42ris...@gotadsl.co.uk, Richard Ashbery
ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:
  In article 5040aeb2f5...@timil.com, Tim Hill t...@timil.com
  wrote:
   In article 5040ace5f2ris...@gotadsl.co.uk, Richard Ashbery
  ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:
Ref: JPEG only required

  [snip]

   Yes. navigate to the page which contains the image you want and
   Ctrl drag it from the page to the filer.

  So it does - this is brilliant :-))

 Ctrl+Select dragging saves it in original format (JPEG in this
 case).

 Ctrl+Adjust dragging automatically converts it to Sprite format,
 which may be more use if you're using the image as a backdrop
 (since sprites redraw faster).

Thanks for that additional info. I didn't realise there was a
difference between JPEG/Sprite loading speed - I will look into this
as I'm using these images exactly as you said for a backdrop generator
program, the very sophisticated but excellent BDRand by Nick Roberts.

-- 
Regards

Richard

Re: Extracting a JPEG from a web page for a backdrop generator

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 5040aeb2f5...@timil.com, Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote:
 In article 5040ace5f2ris...@gotadsl.co.uk, Richard Ashbery
ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:
  Ref: JPEG only required

[snip]

 Yes. navigate to the page which contains the image you want and
 Ctrl drag it from the page to the filer.

So it does - this is brilliant :-))

 A slightly more long-winded way is to click menu over the image on
 the page then follow Object  Object  Save  and save it!

  If I had the programming skills I would write a routine to this
  automatically.

 Someone already has!

  *Incidentally what a superb site.

 Indeed. Setting up Organizer to open APOD is great too:

 Create a task alarm with 

 URIdispatch http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/

 in the Message section.

I'll investigate - thanks again for your quick response Tim.

-- 
Regards

Richard

Extracting a JPEG from a web page for a backdrop generator

[Richard Ashbery]

Ref: JPEG only required

Adjust-clicking over the save icon or Shift-F3 or even Select-clicking
the packet icon if ButtonBar is loaded enables me to do a full-save on
a selected image resolution on a site like
http://hubblesite.org/gallery/wallpaper* and then dragging to a filer
window. The full-saved file can then be opened, the relevant jpeg
identified, selected and dragged to a filer window. The unwanted html
gifs and css can then be binned. If many images are needed it becomes
quite time consuming - Is there a simpler way?

If I had the programming skills I would write a routine to this
automatically.

*Incidentally what a superb site.

-- 
Regards

Richard

Re: Graphics refresh problem

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 88d7ae2e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger
Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote:
 On 16 Feb 2009, Richard Ashbery wrote:

  I've looked at it on Firefox on the PC with a 1280 x 1024 monitor
  and guess what I am unable to see the fourth frame.

 The problem to which I was replying, Richard, is the second half of
 Tims response: in that IF you have set Netserf to open a window at
 less that 1098 pixels, then NONE of the  lower frames are
 displayed until you widen the window yourself. This happens even
 if you have a 1920 pixel wide monitor. No other browser I have
 seen (not Firefox nor Safari, nor Explorer, nor Fresco, nor
 Oregano2) behave this way. Netserf will close all the lower
 columns again if you make the window narrower than 1098 pixels.

I'm a tad surprised the same happens with the latest build. NetSurf
r6542 (16 Feb 2009). As a matter of curiosity are there other sites that
exhibit this behaviour?

  Luckily I know Rogers excellent site

 Many thanks for the compliment Richard. If you have any good flower
 photographs to contribute, you are welcome to submit them. All
 contributions acknowledged.

Sadly no.

Regards

Richard

Re: Graphics refresh problem

[Richard Ashbery]

In article 1da8842e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger
Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote:
 On 16 Feb 2009, Tim Hill wrote:
  In article 5b936c2e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger
  Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote:
  http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/
 
  I can't comment on your graphic refresh problem but have noticed
  you expect everyone to have hugely wide display. At 1280 pix
  wide, I still can't see all your last column without buying a new
  screen. At first, Netsurf displayed only the overlapping row of
  images at the top until I dragged the bottom right and the
  columnar frames suddenly appeared.

 This problem has been reported to Netsurf about a year ago.I t's a
 Netsurf problem, no other browser exhibits it, not even O2.

I've looked at it on Firefox on the PC with a 1280 x 1024 monitor and
guess what I am unable to see the fourth frame. Luckily I know Rogers
excellent site so I know there is a fourth frame. If you scroll down the
third frame there is some text about how to see it. I usually click on
Maximise and the fourth screen magically appears (or most of it).

I must confess I quite like the frame layout - it seems to suit the
subject well but really requires a wide screen to make the most of it.

Regards

Richard

Re: saving out the URL -- gotcha

[Richard Ashbery]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Nagel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

[snip]

 now, whenever i download a utility or application, i always save
 the URL and file it inside the app, so that in future i know where
 to check for background information or updates.

Sounds a little dicey to me. I know it keeps the number of files to a
minimum but there is always the danger of overwriting things inside
the app.

 perhaps, to be safe, Netsurf could modify the leafname somehow --
 maybe, in this case, taskusage~ or taskusage/url. 

It might be safer..

Regards

Richard

Re: streetmap.co.uk

[Richard Ashbery]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tim Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 Rob Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:03:29 + (GMT) Tim Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:

   In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Drake
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Validation results aren't a guarantee of anything.
   
   It's a start.
   
   The chances are that if they can't get that bit right...

  Not really. 

 No, yes, really. My point is that sloppiness in one area will
 indicate sloppiness in others.

CSS: The Missing Manual by David Sawyer McFarland highlights the fact
that all html/CSS should be processed through a validation service. I
have found this useful just to clear some obvious but missed html/CSS
errors. Having read this superb book I would not like to argue with
him.

Regards

Richard

Re: Overlapping text problem again

[Richard Ashbery]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dr Peter Young
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 5 Oct 2008  Paul Vigay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I'm this this one had been sorted in the past, but I've just
  looked at the Daily Mail (I'm not a reader, someone emailed me
  the link, honest gov) website and all the text is overlapping one
  of the side-bars, which makes it very difficult to read.

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-486930/The-sinister-truth-chil
  drens-fingerprints.html

  I'm using NetSurf build r5480 (3rd Oct)

 OK here with r5524 (9 Oct).

But not with r5531 (10th Oct 2009 12:00)

Regards

Richard

Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.

[Richard Ashbery]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger
Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 4 Sep 2008, Richard Porter wrote:

[snip]

 That is yet another bug in Netsurf that should have been reported
 ages ago.

 No other browser behaves like this, as I have said many times
 before, only Netsurf.

 Therefore I believe it is another bug in Netsurf.

This does look like a bug in NetSurf..

A word of caution - I have just transferrred  the URL to Firefox on a
PC. If I didn't know there was a Subject index frame on the
right-hand-side of the page I might not have automatically enlarged it
to see if anything was missing. My default Firefox browser page
displays just three frames.

Regards

Richard

Incidentally - that's one hell of a database you have accumulated.
Well done.

Re: Altering default window size

[Richard Ashbery]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tricia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 28 Jul, in article
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Moore
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 28 Jul 2008, Tricia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I'm fairly sure I did know how to alter the default size of the
   window in NetSurf but have forgotten (senior moments in spades
   these days) and although I've looked in the archives cannot
   find the information.

  Open the window as you wish it to be, then menu over the window 
  Utilities  Window  Set as default position.

 Ah, that's the one :-) Silly me, I thought it was an option in
 Display - no wonder I couldn't get it to work...

 Many thanks,

and from me.

Regards

Richard

Roll-over in CSS

[Richard Ashbery]

I've been having a look at CSS - I am in the learning curve mode. I've
tried a piece of test code that enables a user to hover over a link
which forces a colour change and the text to grow larger. I can't see
anything in the Help file.. CSS properties about the id selector
declaration #menu li a:hover. I hope this is the correct terminology.
Are your team intending to implement this useful Javascript lookalike
facility?

If it helps I can mail the code (from Creating Web Sites Bible) if it
helps.

Appreciate all the work you've done so far on the project.

Regards

Richard

Re: Roll-over in CSS

[Richard Ashbery]

In article
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
   John-Mark Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Richard Ashbery wrote:

  I've been having a look at CSS - I am in the learning curve mode.
  I've tried a piece of test code that enables a user to hover
  over a link which forces a colour change and the text to grow
  larger. I can't see anything in the Help file.. CSS
  properties about the id selector declaration #menu li a:hover. I
  hope this is the correct terminology. Are your team intending to
  implement this useful Javascript lookalike facility?

 Pseudo selectors are on the todo list, yes.

Excellent John. I have just looked again at NetSurf's CSS features list
and it clearly says Pseudo-classes and elements not started. Sorry about
that - as I have stated before I have a problem with understanding the
CSS terminology. I have just ordered a CSS specific book from Amazon to
try to get a better understanding of this complex subject.

Thanks for your reply. Things are progressing so quickly in CSS I
wonder if it heralds the end of Javascript. Live in hopes. I do like
the CSS structure - some of the basic stuff I've looked at makes a lot
of sense and can significantly improve the look of web pages.

Regards

Richard

Re: Printing

[Richard Ashbery]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   John-Mark Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:.

[snip]

 
 My printer AFAIK is not a postscript one but I've downloaded the
 ROOL limited archive having seen a previous posting. My question
 is what do I do with it now, there's just a collection of
 directories. Is it necessary to unplug modules for example in a
 similar way that Toolbox has to be unplugged to get some things to
 work?

My understanding is to first download the binaries-two.zip where you
will find Printers V1.73.

Make a copy of !Printers (ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Printing). This is
important - in case anything goes awry.

Then drag the copy of !Printers from the binaries-two.zip over your
existing copy to upgrade.

The module (PDriverDP) is the important one for correct NS printing and
is contained in the Printing archive (all-bin-2007-11-15.zip). Therefore
drag this skeleton copy of !Printers over your copy of !Printers V1.73.

NS printing should now work.

Regards

Richard

Re: NetSurf printing

[Richard Ashbery]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Vigay
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a dim and distant universe
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Dr Peter Young
[EMAIL PROTECTED] enlightened us thusly:

  Has there been a new 1.73, perhaps? Or am I missing some
  necessary modules? If so, what should I have, and where do I get
  them?

 I've got all the latest versions installed here and I still can't
 get printing to postscript printers from NetSurf.

I can't even print to a bog-standard inkjet printer let alone
a Postscript printer. Despite using the latest versions of
NetSurf/Printers/Gutenprint I am unable to print a web page without
the error Illegal control character in font string.

Using:

NetSurf.. Dev (27 Feb 2008) r3872. 
Printers.. 1.73
GutenPrint.. 2.20

Can anyone help with this??

Regards

Richard

Re: NetSurf printing

[Richard Ashbery]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   John-Mark Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:51:55 +0100, Richard Ashbery
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I can't even print to a bog-standard inkjet printer let alone a
  Postscript printer. Despite using the latest versions of
  NetSurf/Printers/Gutenprint I am unable to print a web page
  without the error Illegal control character in font string.
  
  Using:
  
  NetSurf.. Dev (27 Feb 2008) r3872. Printers.. 1.73
  GutenPrint.. 2.20
  
  Can anyone help with this?

 The important bit is PDriverDP. What does *Help PDriverDP say?

Module: Printer driver 4.51 (11 Jul 2003) for bit image printers.

Regards

Richard

Re: NetSurf printing

[Richard Ashbery]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Vigay
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a dim and distant universe [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Richard Ashbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] enlightened us thusly:
 [Snippety snip]

  There is a Boot file but am reluctant to run this as I unaware of
  its effect on my system - nice and reliable at the moment.

  None of this is meaningful. How do I preceed from here please

 You need to download the previous copy of the binaries, which
 included a copy of !Printers. The most recent binary only contains
 update files and not the full application.

 Having said that, I've encountered weird redraw problems with
 !Printers 1.73 so I've gone back to the previous version to avoid
 crashing the machine. :-(

OK I have got hold of Printers 1.73 but whichever version I use I get
an error Illegal control in font string - where do I go from here?


Regards

Richard

Re: NetSurf printing

[Richard Ashbery]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Drake
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Ashbery
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  OK I have got hold of Printers 1.73 but whichever version I use I
  get an error Illegal control in font string - where do I go
  from here?

 Have you tried restarting since installing the new printer drivers?

Yes - no difference.

I should have pointed out this is with NetSurf. Dev 22 Jan 2008
r3761 version.

Earlier versions give same error.

Regards

Richard

Re: NetSurf printing

[Richard Ashbery]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   John-Mark Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:09:52 +0100, Richard Ashbery
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Has any progress be made with NetSurf's printing on RISC OS 5? 

 AFAIAA, it works (except to PostScript printers).

  The current release has the same help instructions as previous
  issues about lack of Font Manager and printer drivers support -
  there is a comment about a patch for non-Postscript printers that
  has been submitted to RISC OS Open Ltd.

 See revisions 4.11 and 4.12, here:

[snip long web addresses]

Thanks for that information - will investigate supplied web pages and
report back.

Regards

Richard

NetSurf printing

[Richard Ashbery]

Has any progress be made with NetSurf's printing on RISC OS 5? The
current release has the same help instructions as previous issues
about lack of Font Manager and printer drivers support - there is a
comment about a patch for non-Postscript printers that has been
submitted to RISC OS Open Ltd.

Re: NetSurf printing

[Richard Ashbery]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Vigay
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a dim and distant universe [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Richard Ashbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] enlightened us thusly:
 [Snippety snip]

  There is a Boot file but am reluctant to run this as I unaware of
  its effect on my system - nice and reliable at the moment.

  None of this is meaningful. How do I preceed from here please

 You need to download the previous copy of the binaries, which
 included a copy of !Printers. The most recent binary only contains
 update files and not the full application.

 Having said that, I've encountered weird redraw problems with
 !Printers 1.73 so I've gone back to the previous version to avoid
 crashing the machine. :-(

Thanks for that important information - I will have a look. Re-draw
problems - this doesn't sound good :-((

I need to speak to you about getting FileCrypt to work. I'll contact
you separately on this one.

Regards

Richard