Re: Big push on testing needed
In message <5548c5c513cvj...@waitrose.com> Chris Newman <cvj...@waitrose.com> wrote: > In article <3bc72c4755.davem...@my.inbox.com>, >Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote: >> Big news... >> Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates. Yes, a new >> release of NetSurf is imminent. >> Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will, >> of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good >> thrashing, and get your bug reports in. >> Please also note that, since it's now close to release time, the >> Javascript setting in Choices->Content is obeyed (and has been >> for a couple of days or so now). > Greetings from sunny Australia (gloat, gloat), > The 38 Degrees petition page at > https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/Scotland-stop-CETA > Is a bit of a pigs dinner. It takes ages to load, frames overlap & the > signing link doesn't work. > Dev CI #3315 on Virtual Acorn Adjust 4.39 > Same effects with JS on or off. > Works OK using Maxthon browser on the Windows side. > Does anyone see the same effects? 2.6s JS off, 5.4s JS on, CI #3312, 5.21 (RC14), Pi 2 @ 900MHz. Page display is substantially different compared to Otter 0.9.09 on RISC OS. The signing link doesn't work in Netsurf with JS on or off, but Otter seems fully functional with JS enabled. I didn't make a precise count of page loading time in Otter - it's considerably slower than NS, about 20-30 secs JS off/on. -- George
Re: NetSurf progress
In message <eb8cf11c55.davem...@my.inbox.com> Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote: > In message <a3feee1c55.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk> > Harriet Bazley <li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote: > >>On 3 Nov 2015 as I do recall, >> Dave Higton wrote: >> >>[snip] >> >> >>> In short, I feel very much encouraged by recent progress, and I >>> hope you all do too! >>> >>I've been very impressed by the speed with which the last few issues I've >>reported have been fixed. > > Thanks for speaking up, Harriet. The developers really are trying! > > Perhaps your posting will add weight to my pleas for more testing. > > Another thing: you must have downloaded and tried numerous development > (CI) builds. How many have given you trouble? > IME the development builds are pretty stable. I generally update NS every couple of weeks or so and have been doing so since the CI series started: I could probably count the troublesome versions on the fingers of one hand. I keep a copy of the last stable release in any case, and can revert to that in the (rare) event of problems. Good to see development is proceeding energetically: the platform doesn't have too many alternatives to NetSurf. I've used Peter Naulls' Firefox port in the past, and the Otter port fairly intensively over the past 3 weeks and, while the latter is promising, it is not yet responsive enough for day-in, day-out use on a low-powered computer such as a Pi or Iyonix, IMO, and I imagine a considerable amount of work would be required to make it so. We really do need NetSurf! -- George
Re: Bad type
In message <15dd751555.r...@user.minijem.plus.com> Richard Porter <r...@minijem.plus.com> wrote: > I get an awful lot of "Bad type" errors when clicking on links. What > does this mean? I guess it has something to do with javascript. > You may find disabling Javascript in Choices-Content reduces/eliminates the incidence of this error (I get them too, but usually when JS is enabled). IME NetSurf (Dev CI #3000) works more quickly and reliably with JS disabled, and without apparent loss of functionality. -- George
Re: #2988 hanging
In message <ae92dd1155.ga...@wra1th.plus.com> Gavin Wraith <ga...@wra1th.plus.com> wrote: > In message <35e4e54c747.0d53d...@davehigton.me.uk> > Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote: > > >>There's another point worth making here. If you think NS has >>crashed, use Alt-Break. Note: NEVER use Ctrl-Break, various >>RISC OS luminaries class it as Evil and say it Breaks Discs. > > Thanks very much for this. > -- > Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) > Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/ > I must confess to having used Ctrl-Break from time to time, when faced with a frozen desktop, without evident ill-effects. Is it considered worse than powering-off at the switch, which is the only other option AFAIK? -- George
Re: #2988 hanging
In message <20151013152414.gb23...@platypus.pepperfish.net> Rob Kendrick <r...@netsurf-browser.org> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 04:39:32AM -0800, Dave Higton wrote: >> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:09:27 +0100 George Greenfield wrote: >> >> > I must confess to having used Ctrl-Break from time to time, when faced >> > with a frozen desktop, without evident ill-effects. Is it considered >> > worse than powering-off at the switch, which is the only other option >> > AFAIK? >> >> Probably, although I'm not really qualified to answer. > > You can assume the following simplification: > > Alt-Break allows you to force a stuck task to call > Wimp_CloseDown, essentially causing it to quit. Note that this > forced quit isn't clean: any open files will remain so, and any > memory allocated via dynamic areas or the RMA will be leaked. > > Ctrl-Break essentially calls OS_Reset, which causes a software > reset that for all but the very most obscure situations is > functionally identical to pressing the hardware reset button. > > The danger with Ctrl-Break and the hardware reset button is that > FileCore might be trying to do something at the time (or be > struck trying), leaving the file system in an unclean state, > requiring the use of something like Disknight to fix. > > Summary: Always try Alt-Break first (and the a clean shutdown > straight after), and only Ctrl-Break/Hardware reset button as a > last resort. > > B. > Thanks - that's a very clear explanation! -- George
Re: New Netsurf - improved Javascript stability
In message <550abce24acvj...@waitrose.com> Chris Newman <cvj...@waitrose.com> wrote: > In article <fae9b50a55@abbeypress.net>, >Jim Nagel <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote: >> Dave Higton wrote on 21 Sep: > >> > I downloaded the latest CI build of NS yesterday. There hasn't been >> > one for quite a while. I noticed that it doesn't crash when opening a >> > sport page of the BBC News website, for example. This is a big >> > improvement. >> > I think we're seeing evidence of big changes within Netsurf. > >> Anybody concur? > >> I'm on #2935 (Aug 25) and have been suffering a great many sites that >> time out with no display at all. Sometimes hourglassing goes on >> forever and there's nothing for it but Alt-Break to kill Netsurf. >> Some of these cases will succeed if I relaunch Netsurf, switch off >> Javascript from its iconbar menu, and only then reload the site. > > Same here with #2964 > I recently upgraded to #2964 from #2953 and AFAICS the javascript-enabled behaviour and functionality* is identical in both, and I too have the endless hourglassing behaviour unless JS is disabled. I don't mean to be downbeat or decry the efforts of the developers - NetSurf is a fine lightweight browser, better than any RISC OS alternative that I've tried**, and no doubt the developers would be the first to agree that javascript functionality is very much a work in progress. (* virtually non-existent) (** that doesn't include the recent Otter port) -- George
Re: El Reg formats differently these days - why?
In message nsc50f37f754.b...@yo.rk Bryn Evans nets...@bryork.freeuk.com wrote: In a mad moment - Dave Higton mumbled : [snip] So I have to assume that El Reg have changed their layout in some way. The HTML is beyond my comprehension. Can anyone else explain what's going on? it is the same using Firefox and Linux, so i guess they have made a cockup of some change - It happened mid week. Or possibly they're trying to become more smartphone-friendly? -- George
Re: Crash with #2860
In message 54e588d713bbai...@argonet.co.uk Brian bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote: In article 14a182e554.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: I can't raise a bug report for this, as the bug-reporting page was off-line when I tried just now. I'll try again later today. ARMX6, RISC OS 5.21. I downloaded #2860, which immediately crashed when I opened my home page, www.bbc.co.uk/news. I shut the machine down. and this time the home page loaded, but when I tried to open http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/gl52 NetSurf crashed again; I have the logfile. I reverted to #2856, which behaved. Has anyone else found this? If so, I'll raise a proper bug report when I can do. Yes, Peter, it crashes. Tested several times. Brian Me too: this behaviour: RISC OS 5.21. I downloaded #2860, which immediately crashed when I opened my home page, [snip] I shut the machine down. and this time the home page loaded, but when I tried to open http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/gl52 NetSurf crashed again; I have the logfile. coincides exactly with my experience, the only difference being the platform, in my case a Pi 1B, and the home page, Google.co.uk here. -- George
Re: Crash with #2860
In message 8b5191e554.geo...@tiscali..co.uk you wrote: In message 54e588d713bbai...@argonet.co.uk Brian bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote: In article 14a182e554.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: I can't raise a bug report for this, as the bug-reporting page was off-line when I tried just now. I'll try again later today. ARMX6, RISC OS 5.21. I downloaded #2860, which immediately crashed when I opened my home page, www.bbc.co.uk/news. I shut the machine down. and this time the home page loaded, but when I tried to open http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/gl52 NetSurf crashed again; I have the logfile. I reverted to #2856, which behaved. Has anyone else found this? If so, I'll raise a proper bug report when I can do. Yes, Peter, it crashes. Tested several times. Brian Me too: this behaviour: RISC OS 5.21. I downloaded #2860, which immediately crashed when I opened my home page, [snip] I shut the machine down. and this time the home page loaded, but when I tried to open http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/gl52 NetSurf crashed again; I have the logfile. coincides exactly with my experience, the only difference being the platform, in my case a Pi 1B, and the home page, Google.co.uk here. I should have added, enabling/disabling JS made no difference. -- George
Re: Google
In message 54c34dbdb8brian.jord...@btinternet.com Brian Jordan brian.jord...@btinternet.com wrote: In article 54c3467e90ris...@gotadsl.co.uk, Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote: In article 54c2328532joh...@ukgateway.net, John Williams joh...@ukgateway.net wrote: In article 1c3b90c054.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: I think it's absolutely essential that we have a javascript on/off button on the toolbar. If javescript is off google won't work and if it's on streetmap.co.uk won't work. I've just tried Google again with Javascript off and a search works normally. Anyone able to confirm? Seems to be true here as well. Same here (NS 3.4 Dev CI #2735). -- George
Re: Google
In message 3d8ea4c054.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 8 May 2015, george greenfield george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: [snip] So a temporary workaround might be to enable JS, hotlist all regularly-visited/needed sites, then disable JS and avoid using the search page entirely. How is it possible to transfer an address, from the Google search page, to the NetSurf hotlist, without actually visiting the site? Tony It's not possible. The procedure that seems to work here is: 1. Enable JS in Choices. 2. Open Google search page, enter desired site into Search field as usual. 3. Desired site loads - click Menu, select 'Utilities-Hotlist-Add to hotlist' and close Google search page. 4. Disable JS in Choices. 5. Click Adjust over NetSurf icon to open Hotlist, select desired site. Once a number of sites have been hotlisted they can be opened without requiring JS. And no, I don't understand how this works either -- George
Re: Google
In message f28197c054.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 8 May 2015, Andrew Pinder andrew.pin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: [snip] Which version of NetSurf are we talking about here? I'm on 3.4 (Dev CI #2771) on RO 5.22 and haven't seen any problems with Google. Try tuning off JavaScript. Tony With JS off, accessing the Google search page produces the problematic 'endless reloading' behaviour previously described; however, clicking on a previously hotlisted item works fine, even with JS off. So a temporary workaround might be to enable JS, hotlist all regularly-visited/needed sites, then disable JS and avoid using the search page entirely. [NetSurf 3.4 (Dev CI #2735)] -- George
Re: BBC News
In message b98f81ac54.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: According to http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-editors-32016166 published by the BBC, on 23 March 2015 Our new responsive design [of the BBC News website], which we've just launched for desktop computer, aims to make sure the site looks great whichever device or screen size you are on - mobile, tablet or desktop. However, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news , displayed by NetSurf #2655, on a RiscPC, seems to be a version for mobile, and looks far from 'great'. Do others see the same mess? Tony Yes. (System details: NS 3.3 [10-Mar-15], RasPi B @ 900MHz, RO 5.21 [RC12, 12-Jan-15]). -- George
Re: #2652 page rendering oddity
In message 54a546bb12bbai...@argonet.co.uk Brian bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote: Almost invariably, loading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzogchen initially gives a page display which looks to me like the an incomplete html file contents (poor description, explanation, I'm afraid). Reloading the page usually then renders the page correctly, in full. Do others get the same behaviour, please? The page loads normally here on 2 attempts. System details: NS 3.3, RasPi B @ 900MHz, RO 5.21 [RC12, 12-Jan-15]. -- George
Re: Disc cache updates
In message 72ec0aa554.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote: On 14 Mar 2015 as I do recall, Andrew Pinder wrote: In message 20141201160839.gh10...@kyllikki.org on 1 Dec 2014 Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: The disc cache has recently been updated to track the speed of write operations. As a result of this performance tracking The browser will now detect if a system cannot sustain a write speed of one Megabit (120kilobytes/ second) the cache will disable itself and display a warning. I'm finding this on my ARMini. Is this common? I'm seeing this constantly on the Iyonix -- though I tried setting the cache to zero and still got the same message. I thought maybe it was failing to find the !Cache application altogether after switching users. I'm mystified by this as well. I'm getting the 'write speed not high enough' message every start up on my system*. If the system is failing a benchmark of 120 KB/sec, how is it that !Speed records IKB and 4KB block write speeds on the SD card in question as 314 and 1067 KB/sec respectively (and larger blocks much faster e.g. 6809 KB/sec for 64KB)? *NS 3.3, RasPi B @ 900MHz, RO 5.21 [RC12, 12-Jan-15]. -- George
Re: BBC News site
In message mpro.nl96xd0078zo000ba.nets...@ypical-daemon.co.uk Fred Bambrough nets...@ypical-daemon.co.uk wrote: In message 00019af7.01f79490a...@smtp.freeola.net Peter Slegg p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk wrote: I've just installed Atari build 2652. When I try to open the BBC news site www.bbc.co.uk/news/ it pops up a message: Failure when receiving data from peer and then it exits abruptly. Might be a problem with the site. It loads ok here but takes a very long time to do so. Works fine here, loaded in 9 secs. NS 3.3, RasPi B, RO 5.21 [RC12, 12-Jan-15]. -- George
Re: #2463 - Scanning fonts
In message f74fa67954.andrew-...@waitrose.com Andrew Pinder andrew.pin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: In message 54797458f6bbai...@argonet.co.uk on 21 Dec 2014 Brian bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote: NetSurf has very recently started scanning fonts during loading. This hasn't happened for ages. Is this a glitch, perhaps, or revised behaviour? I think a relevant factor may be the number of fonts you have installed. I agree. NetSurf 3.2 scans fonts here (RaspPi 5.21) on loading (automatic on booting as it's installed in Configure-Boot sequence-Run) every time. I have 2658 files in !Boot.Resources.!Fonts. -- George
Re: BBC sites very slow.
In message 235c187854.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: On 18 Dec 2014 Brian Howlett brian.gro...@brianhowlett.me.uk wrote: On 18 Dec, Peter Young wrote: Using http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/gl52 1 minute 20 seconds with RISC OS NetSurf, already on the icon bar 12.1 seconds here, without Netsurf running, then 9.6 seconds on a second load with Netsurf running. Using CI #2441 on Iyonix with RO 5.20. 13 seconds here with NetSurf on the icon bar, so better than this morning, but still slow. Perhaps there's something odd with my setup. Would a logfile be helpful to anyone? #2441, ARMini, RISC OS 5.19 Best wishes, Peter. 3.7 secs here (RaspPi 900Mhz, 5.21, NS 3.2) -- George
Re: BBC sites very slow.
In message a564a07754.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: On 17 Dec 2014 Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: This is with RISC OS and development builds, currently #2441, but has been happening for several days now. Any of the BBC sites are now taking a lot longer to download, maybe by a factor of five to ten times as long. They are now even slower than the www.msscociety.org.uk sites which till now have been the slowest Sorry, typo. http://www.mssociety.org.uk/ to download. I've checked my connection speed, and it's much the same as usual. Is this a problem with NetSurf or with the BBC sites? I suspect the latter. Best wishes, Peter. Haven't noticed the Beeb being slow, but the MS Society link you gave loaded here in 4.7 secs, the forum link in 0.7 and the support link in 2.6 secs respectively - I wouldn't call that slow, personally. Setup is a RaspPi RO 5.21 (900Mhz) running NS 3.2 official release. -- George
Re: Change.org massively scaled images
In message 54705f9528ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote: In article mpro.ng0uey005vvij012x.pit...@pittdj.co.uk, David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote: At least this is what I get on NS 3.3 Dev Cl#2419, RISC OS 5.21 Raspberry Pi, be interesting to see what happens on other platforms? Seems to be the same on the Iyonix. Same here (NS 3.2 stable release, Raspberry Pi B, RO 5.21 (13-Sept-14). -- George
Re: dates of !Boot and !System within download
In message bb6367d953@abbeypress.net Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: Brian Jordan wrote on 13 Feb: In article 9b5f51d953@abbeypress.net, Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: Suggestion to the Netsurf team: Please, could you include an extra Readme-date file in the download zipfile that would simply state in plain text the date of the last actual change and words to the effect that If you have updated !Boot and !System since this date, there is no need to do it this time. It would save the chore of going to every machine and repepetititively performing the merge-boot and merge-system rigamarole when it isn't necessary. (The rest of the job of updating the !Netsurf application on all stations can be done over the network.) Thanks. I work on the assumption that if a merge-boot or merge-system is required that NetSurf will let me know with an appropriate message. Otherwise I just let NetSurf get on with it. Am I under vigilant or are you over vigilant? It seems to me that the NetSurf team have far bigger fish than this to fry. Maybe I am being overpunctilious, but I'm just following the instructions in the existingunchanging Readme that comes as part of the download. From what you say, I can see that Netsurf might give a warning about a module being out of date. But the Unicode stuff is not modules: would Netsurf warn if any Unicode files are missing or outdated? I am in the 'ALWAYS update !Boot and !System' camp. I often notice, when doing so, that the hourglass/percentage twitches briefly into life, which suggests that something is being overwritten, i.e., altered, presumably necessarily. -- george greenfield
RE: Sockets
In message f7b5e9bd5a9.1395d...@davehigton.me.uk Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote: On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:08:33 GMT, Geoff wrote: Hi, Is it just me, or is Netsurf's sockets system awry. After a modest browsing session Internet access freezes up due, I think, to sockets being used up. Qitting Netsurf restores order. It seems to have started about a couple of weeks ago. Not sure of the exact time. Risc Os 6.2 NS R1681. (JSoff) TTFN It's not just you. The symptom I notice (and I am not the first to say this) is failure to resolve links. I can save the link, quit NS and restart it, and the link works fine. It started more than 2 week ago, but I don't remember when. I did not originally attribute the failure to NS, but now I'm sure. Dave FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth Same symptom here (#1689, running on RPCEmu0.8.11/4.02 on a Win7-64 PC). However, I've noticed this link-resolving failure in Netsurf for quite a while, so I wouldn't say it's a new problem. Quitting and restarting Netsurf seems to restore normal behaviour, as the others have found. George -- george greenfield
Re: Another site crashing NS?
In message dd252bd053.br...@bhowlett.plus.net Brian Howlett brian.gro...@brianhowlett.me.uk wrote: On 26 Jan, m...@johnwoodhouse.plus.com wrote: [snip] Works OK on RO 5.20 on Iyonix, with #1659, after a fashion anyway. The front page loads OK after a fairly long wait, but none of the links on that page work - they just seem to point back at the main page. Same experience here (RPCEmu0.8.11 running RISC OS 5.20 on Win7-64 PC) using #1659. Enabling/disabling JS made no perceptible difference. -- George
Re: Drag 'N Drop PayPal
In message 5327d882facvj...@waitrose.com Chris Newman cvj...@waitrose.com wrote: Hi, Tried to purchase Drag 'N Drop magazine from www.dragdrop.co.uk using Dev #957 but when linking on to PayPal the page remained blank. Worked OK with 2.9. RiscPC 700 Strong Arm Adjust 4.39 with Unipod Anybody else tried? #956 displays the PayPal link pages if javascript is disabled. George RPCEmu089/4.02 on Win7 64-bit -- george greenfield
Re: rendering of Wikipedia page
In message 53239574c5ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote: In article fd87902353@nails.abbeypress.net, Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: John Rickman Iyonix wrote on 24 Feb: Are there any pages in particular that are slow? Wikipedia pages on my Iyonix typically take 2 to 3 seconds to load and render which is quick enough. On Netsurf home page, click Wikipedia link. The Wikipedia home page takes 10 seconds to appear on my Iyonix (Ro 5.18, Netsurf #891). Today's home page happens to have a link to exoplanet. I clicked that; the Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrasolar_planet took 10 seconds to appear. Click a typical link on that page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extragalactic_planet takes 9 seconds to appear. Timings seem a bit different here (RISC OS 5.19, 24 Feb 2013), NetSurf #946 js disabled. Test 1: 3.8s rather than 10s Test 2: 13s rather than 10s Test 3: 2.8s rather than 9s YMMV I think I may have misunderstood the question in my earlier response. Anyway, results here under RPCEmu089/402 (system details as before, NS #932, json): Test 1: 3s Test 2: 8s Test 3: 2s The thought occurs that local network speed could have a bearing on these results as well. G -- george greenfield
Thetrainline.com crashes CI #744
Made three consecutive attempts to access Thetrainline.com using NS CI #744 with javascript enabled, each resulting in a NS crash and exit. Attempting to access the bug tracker and file a bug report crashed #744 again! Back to 2.9 for the bug report System details: RPCEmu089/402 Recompiler mode with 256MB running on Win7 (64-bit). George -- george greenfield
RE: Thetrainline.com crashes CI #744
In message ae9c0b0201f.0e9fd...@davehigton.me.uk Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote: -Original Message- From: george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:20:59 GMT To: netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org Subject: Thetrainline.com crashes CI #744 Made three consecutive attempts to access Thetrainline.com using NS CI #744 with javascript enabled, each resulting in a NS crash and exit. Attempting to access the bug tracker and file a bug report crashed #744 again! Back to 2.9 for the bug report I found that disabling Javascript on 744 enabled me to submit my bug report (with file), which is easier than uninstalling etc. The quick smoke tests I've done with 744 with JS disabled don't show any worse stability than versions prior to JS. There are also non-JS CI builds, if you prefer. Don't get me wrong: I intended no criticism of JS-enabled NetSurf, in fact I think it's splendid, and to be supported in every way, including the submission of bug reports where appropriate. It was just a bit ironic that the bug tracker itself was amongst the casualties! George -- george greenfield
Re: RISC OS Javascript support
In message 52fdf4eea8...@timil.com Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote: In article 20121214122314.gg15...@kyllikki.org, Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: Thankyou for all your feedback. As some of you discovered there was no user interface to enable javascript so you would need to add: enable_javascript:1 to your configuration manually. Okay, that line added to top of Boot:Choices.WWW.NetSurf.Choices ? I found that adding that line (enable_javascript:1) to my Choices file /dis/abled javascript: commenting it out restored the status quo (i.e., partial operation of js). I'm running the #727 build. George -- george greenfield
Re: RISC OS Javascript support
In message 074271fd52.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote: Graham Pickles wrote In message 20121213103541.gf15...@kyllikki.org Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: Thanks to Rob Kendrik, Chris Gransden and myself we now have NSPR and Spidermonkey libraries building in the NetSurf toolchain[1]. The CI system[1] has built the toolchain successfully and a copy of NetSurf for RISC OS with Javascript enabled[3]. It's good news to hear about the development of RISC OS Javascript support to NetSurf. Keep up the good work and seasonal greetings to all the developers. Great news! Does the Javascript need to be switched O? I think it must be on by default: http://www.navweaps.com/ no longer displays a 'your javascript is switched off' notice. I have tried a few simple tests but my Javascript seem to be being ignored. Not necessarily (see above). Also, Barclays mobile internet banking now works (I can log in, which I couldn't before) and it now retains my name and reference number between logins, which was also not the case previously. Other sites: thetrainline.com now goes straight to train timetable info, previously it showed a 'your js is disabled, click here for the non-js page'; Streetmap's new Beta page does not work however, but this may be using Flash as well as javascript. George george greenfield
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
In message 65188.62.172.88.217.1352127050.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.c o.uk Learning Partners lp.bo...@argonet.co.uk wrote: Massive thanks are due to all involved. I look forward to the next stable release and the javascript implementation. Seconded, with feeling! I hadn't expected to see /any/ form of javascript on NetSurf in the medium term, let alone before Christmas (and yes, I do appreciate it is not a complete implementation), so am looking forward eagerly to what will be a significant step forward for both browser and platform. I'm using 3.0 Dev. CI #590 at the moment and already it is a considerable advance on 2.9 - the rate of progress is impressive and a credit to the developers. Cheers George -- george greenfield
El Reg timeouts
No problem accessing El Reg Software http://www.theregister.co.uk/software/ and accessing http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/11/ballmer_faces_uphill_battle_on_windows_8 _/ but several attempts to navigate to 'Comments' produced a timeout each time. Selecting Menu-Navigate-Up one level also timed out. Quitting and reloading Netsurf produced the same result. Immediately quitting 3.0 and launching 2.9 worked fine. Could be a blip but I've had problems with this 3.0 build before on El Reg site. My system details: My details: NS-2012-10-07_21-57-22, RPCEmu089/RO4.02 (256MB RAM), Win7 (64-bit). NetSurf 3.0 #417.. George -- george greenfield
Re: El Reg timeouts
In message c635abdd52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 12 Oct 2012, Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: On 12 Oct 2012 george greenfield wrote: No problem accessing El Reg Software http://www.theregister.co.uk/software/ and accessing http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/11/ballmer_faces_uphill_battle_on _windows_8_/ but several attempts to navigate to 'Comments' produced a timeout each time. Selecting Menu-Navigate-Up one level also timed out. Quitting and reloading Netsurf produced the same result. Immediately quitting 3.0 and launching 2.9 worked fine. Could be a blip but I've had problems with this 3.0 build before on El Reg site. My system details: My details: NS-2012-10-07_21-57-22, RPCEmu089/RO4.02 (256MB RAM), Win7 (64-bit). NetSurf 3.0 #417.. Works OK on kinetic rpc/RO6.16/NS#417 so looks like emu problem. OK here: RPCEmu089/RO4.39 (256MB RAM), Win7 (32-bit), NetSurf 3.0 #417 Tony Tested again just now with NS#417, same sites as OP, worked fine this time, must just have been one of those things. George -- george greenfield
Re: Could someone look at
In message OUT-50749B96.MD-1.4.17.chris.young@unsatisfactorysoftware. co.uk Chris Young chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:12:54 +0100, lists wrote: Could someone else take a look at: http://www.audon.co.uk/usb_scopes/gcr101.html Here it looks like the page is about 200 yards wide. Netsurf 2.9 (27th Feb 2012) http://www.amigans.net/ has gone wide recently too, but I suspect that's a different problem, as it is fine in NetSurf 2.9 and not so fine in NetSurf 3.0 (revision 9cb4d0, a couple of days old) Chris That site formats OK here. My details: NS-2012-10-07_21-57-22, RPCEmu089/RO4.02 (256MB RAM), Win7 (64-bit). George -- george greenfield
Re: Could someone look at
In message 52db26483astuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk lists stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk wrote: Could someone else take a look at: http://www.audon.co.uk/usb_scopes/gcr101.html Here it looks like the page is about 200 yards wide. Netsurf 2.9 (27th Feb 2012) Same here. (NS-2012-10-07_21-57-22, RPCEmu089/RO4.02, Win7 (64-bit). George -- george greenfield
Re: NetSurf running out of memory
In message 4b6565db52.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote: I have hit three more pages that give the out of memory message using the latest test version (netsurf-2012-10-07_21-57-22/zip) click on: http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/kinder.htm This will show a page of images. Click on either the bicycle or the kayak and (on my Iyonix running 5.18) a warning message pops up saying that NetSurf is running out of memory and the URL is not displayed. If someone can confirm that this is not unique to my setup I will post a bug report. No problem with memory here. The site links work also. Memory use ((NS-2012-10-07_21-57-22, RPCEmu089/RO4.02, Win7 (64-bit) for NetSurf is 6816k (application tasks) and 22208k (dynamic areas). George -- george greenfield
Re: NetSurf running out of memory
In message 52db7f27eap...@sprie.nl Paul Sprangers p...@sprie.nl wrote: click on: http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/kinder.htm This one opens OK. http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/temp/songaf.html But this one doesn't. Quitting and reloading NetSurf to liberate memory makes no odds. The amount of memory claimed is not excessive; 6800k and 5632k for application tasks and dynamic areas respectively. [snipped] My details: NS-2012-10-07_21-57-22, RPCEmu089/RO4.02, Win7 (64-bit). george -- george greenfield
Re: Request for feedback
In message 52da69197bt...@netsurf-browser.org Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: In article 800067da52.geo...@tiscali..co.uk, george greenfield george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: BTW, a small plea to the developers: could the current release details be reinstated under 'Info' (Menu over NetSurf icon)? This (if possible) would make it easier to give NS release details when bug reporting. At the moment it just says '3.0 (Development)'. Please see: http://www.mail-archive.com/netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org/msg04243.html All clear - thanks. -- george greenfield
Re: Crashes on sites with frames
In message 52da7837d7chr...@care4free.net
Chris Gransden chr...@care4free.net wrote:
Platform RISC OS
OS5.19 on Pandaboard
version netsurf-2012-10-06_14-18-18/zip
browsing http://www.archivemag.co.uk
error log
[snipped]
The site displays here without crashing, but the 'Archive' page header
is partially obscured by the frame below ('A monthly magazine for
users of RISC OS'), so is not displaying correctly. The links to the
left seem to work OK, as do the sliders.
(NS-2012-10-02_20-23-02, running on RPCEmu 0.8.9/RO 4.02 on Win7
(64-bit) PC).
George
--
george greenfield
Re: User feedback requested (esp. RISC OS)
In message d746bed852.a...@ntlworld.com Alan Leighton alan.leight...@ntlworld.com wrote: In message 506be1e3.1010...@druck.org.uk David J. Ruck dr...@druck.org.uk wrote: On 02/10/2012 18:49, Vincent Sanders wrote: * The Continuous Integration (CI) builds are produced for the NetSurf Developers. In which case to avoid the confusion which has enviably arisen, please can information and discussion on the CI builds be posted to netsurf-developers mailing list, and netsurf-users be kept for discussion of release and beta builds. With all due respect, there are a large number of users on netsurf-users who will not be able to produce bug reports of sufficient detail from the CI build to be useful to developers, and are best sticking to the beta builds to avoid undue distribution to both themselves and developers. Could not put it better David for many of us it is wait for the next, for the beta builds, Thanks, Alan [snip] If you want stability, use 2.9. If you want to help development of 3.0 and can tolerate the occasional crash/freeze*, use the latest builds. Simples. George (*as it clearly states on the Netsurf site, use of the development builds is at the user's risk. As for quality of bug reports, it is alwasy open to the developers to ask for more/better info on any particular report. FWIW, I have found the 28-9_19-54-37 build to be both much faster and stable on my RPCEmu 0.8.9/4.02 Win7 installation) -- george greenfield
Re: User feedback requested (esp. RISC OS)
In message 52d6e2c396t...@netsurf-browser.org Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: Hi, We have done quite a bit of development since we last issued test builds and we have also changed our autobuilding infrastructure completely. With these changes we are now building NetSurf builds with far more up-to-date versions of 3rd party libraries, and it is now quite trivial to keep them up-to-date. It would help us if people could test the new builds and let us know how you get on. CAUTION: SAVE ALL WORK BEFORE RUNNING THESE BUILDS We have at least one case of NetSurf freezing a RISC OS Iyonix such that it needs to be reset. New builds are available from: http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/ (Use the latest one available) If you try one of the new builds, please let us know: + which front end (e.g. RISC OS, Amiga, etc) + which version of the OS + whether there was a problem what was happening when it went wrong + what the download file name of the NetSurf version you tried was Cheers, I'm using the 3.0 development build 2012-09-28_19-54-37 on RPCEmu 0.8.9/RISC OS 4.02 on a Windows 7 (64-bit) PC. Got a run of 'Base stylesheet failed to load' errors, but quitting and reloading Netsurf 3.0 restored normal service. Seems fine so far, and nippier than 2.9. Good work! George -- george greenfield
Barclays internet banking has stopped working
Hi I'm using r13571 and since the last makeover of the Barclays internet banking site, login fails just after the point where the pinsentry 2 x 4-digit random number has been entered; hitting return used to gain entry to the account home page, it now produces an 'Error 5. Internet banking is not available' message. Logging in on a js-enabled Firefox/WinPC is possible however, so the site does still work. Has anyone managed to do internet banking with Barclays using NetSurf? George -- george greenfield
Re: Digest mode
In message 8d001425ead6b919cdaeed0ce55f3f6b-EhVcX1lFRQVaRwYcDTpQCEFdd qzlvf5dqunbajbbxkngv10mqv13b0ttwzbeqkybx1tcrlfv-webmail...@server02.webmailer.ho steurope.de m0n0 o...@monochrom.net wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 29.03.2012, 11:55 +0200 schrieb george greenfield george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk: I too prefer individual messages, for same reasons as Richard states. I tend to ignore the digest, TBH. Sorry, I don't understand. Digest mode can be selected by the user, right? So if you don't enable it, you won't get it. How can you ignore something which isn't there? Greets, m I did enable it; it arrives; I tend to ignore it. George -- george greenfield
Re: Digest mode
In message 52782a9951evanal...@talktalk.net evanal...@talktalk.net wrote: In article a730017852.geo...@tiscali..co.uk, george greenfield george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I did enable it; it arrives; I tend to ignore it. Perhaps you ought to disable it? You mean I ought to take control of my life? Steady on... -- george greenfield
Re: Problem launching NetSurf on RPCEmu/Win7
In message mpro.lwkr6z00kqj0001jj.li...@stevefryatt.org.uk Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote: On 21 Dec, John-Mark Bell wrote in message 1324503435.7505.50.camel@duiker: On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 15:18 +, george wrote: Im running a copy of RPCEmu originally from one of ROOLs London Show memory sticks on a Windows 7 machine (Dell XPS, 3.4GHz Core i7, 8MB RAM). It runs very well, averaging around 300 MIPS, but I find NetSurf 2.8 for RISC OS (installed from a fresh download) will not launch. [snip] Please provide a log file from an attempt to start NetSurf on your system. Just to remove one possibly clutchable straw, NetSurf (test builds of, at least) runs quite happily under at least some RPCemu setups, whether or not networking is active. The RISC OS front-end gets tested like that quite frequently, so I'd probably notice if it didn't work. So yes, a logfile will be needed. Apologies to all for time-wasting! I couldn't find the logfile so decided to try launching NetSurf again to generate one, and this time I left the hourglass to run. After a minute or so it started to check the installed fonts, and having done so (after a further minute or so) launched successfully. So, patience is required! Thanks for the help, George --
Problem launching NetSurf on RPCEmu/Win7
Im running a copy of RPCEmu originally from one of ROOLs London Show memory sticks on a Windows 7 machine (Dell XPS, 3.4GHz Core i7, 8MB RAM). It runs very well, averaging around 300 MIPS, but I find NetSurf 2.8 for RISC OS (installed from a fresh download) will not launch. Ive updated !Boot and !System, but clicking on the NetSurf icon produces an endlessly cycling hourglass. RPCEmu is not yet bridged to the web, but I assume this isnt necessary in order to use NetSurf as (for example) an HTML viewer? I'm inexperienced with RPCEmu (and Windows 7, for that matter), so apologies in advance if I've overlooked the 'bleedin' obvious'. If anyone can tear themselves away from the festivities long enough to reply I should be most grateful! George --
Re: 'Base stylesheet failed to load' error
In message d74bf943-947d-4eef-9de9-3c7ea4d46...@recoil.org Christian Ludlam christ...@recoil.org wrote: On 19 Jan 2038, at 03:14, george george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: The HD on my Iyo has just been changed, [snip] Any suggestions? I had this problem intermittently - I found the cause this morning, in fact - It's because your computer thinks it's 2038! Yes: I did notice that the time and date display required updating, which I've done. George --
'Base stylesheet failed to load' error
The HD on my Iyo has just been changed, and it would appear that (almost) everything has copied across ok, apart from the fact that, although NetSurf will load initially and display my home page when I click on it the first time, subsequent attempts to access web pages produces the error message in the Subject line above. Reverting to version 2.8 did not cure the problem, nor did reloading the !Boot and !System modules from my NAS. Any suggestions? George
Re: 'Base stylesheet failed to load' error
In message 523097f6d3joh...@ukgateway.net John Williams joh...@ukgateway.net wrote: In article 14fc1af392.acl...@tiscali.co.uk, george george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Any suggestions? Download a fresh archive and try that? John Have now installed r13146 plus new !Boot and !System - seems to have done the trick - cheers. George --
Re: Fatal error when page render clashes with a mail/news fetch
In message 885f2c2952.GrahameParish@grahame.parish Grahame Parish maillist.par...@millers-way.net wrote: In message 5228c78585ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote: In article 5228b3886ct...@netsurf-browser.org, Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: Please try the latest build. The problem was tracked down to an issue in UnixLib which has now been fixed. I have tried a few tests and it hasn't failed yet, so it looks as if that has fixed it. Many thanks. Same here so far... Less non-repeatable crashes too. Ditto here (using r13086). George --
Re: Netsurf won't get into the Woman's hour site
In message 1314088823.4e5364...@netmail.pipex.net dave higton davehig...@dsl.pipex.com wrote: Quoting Dr Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk: On 23 Aug 2011 Michael Bell mich...@beaverbell.co.uk wrote: [snip] My recommendation to everybody is to use the latest development build - with the caveat that you should keep a copy of (at least) the last version that works for you. This is my procedure also I keep up to date with the latest development version. These versions have been, on the whole, far more stable that the dire warnings on the web site suggest. Absolutely. I have a 'latest build' folder and every time I update (roughly every two-three weeks) I copy the current version into a backup folder in case I have to revert. This has only been necessary once in the last two years. George --
Re: No more Google for us
In message c6ce2f69aae681feffec6e28893e659dea4d0606@localhost Mike Hobbs mike.ho...@antplc.com wrote: Well, thats it then... Google requires javascript !! Seems to work OK still under NetSurf r12638 here; I can open the Google home page, and navigate to the sites displayed thereon, just as before. What am I not understanding? George --
Re: No more Google for us
In message 5204d512fd...@timil.com Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote: In article b5ddcb0452.pitt...@iyonix.home, David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote: In message 0db4c80452.acl...@tiscali.co.uk george george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: In message c6ce2f69aae681feffec6e28893e659dea4d0606@localhost Mike Hobbs mike.ho...@antplc.com wrote: Well, thats it then... Google requires javascript !! Seems to work OK still under NetSurf r12638 here; I can open the Google home page, and navigate to the sites displayed thereon, just as before. What am I not understanding? That some of us are using old versions of NetSurf. The issue has been fixed. Unless you log in to iGoogle and then google.co.uk in NetSurf is 'blank' in NetSurf r12640. :-( Aaargh! Foolishly clicked on iGoogle in NetSurf and now find myself trapped in the JS version and unable to revert to the non-iGoogle version. Is there a fix? George NetSurf r12638 --
Re: cookie association with specific windows?
In message c4e91a97fbaa33beda1ec34e45f42d88734887de@localhost Mike Hobbs mike.ho...@antplc.com wrote: On Thu, May 19, 2011 9:41 am, Mike Hobbs wrote: [snip long description of login difficulties] Whatever was causing this appears to be fixed in r12436. I'm also on r12436 and it seems to work very well. Well done and thank you! [snip] Seconded! George --
Re: Speed
Running 12243 on an Iyonix 5.16; subjectively it doesn't seem noticeably faster than earlier versions and http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/ still fails to format correctly, but it's good to see development of a modern RISC OS browser continuing at a brisk pace, so well done, keep up the good work! George In message 51caf82f97cvj...@waitrose.com Chris Newman cvj...@waitrose.com wrote: r12243 does seem quite a bit faster here as well on my trusty Risc PC. Well done the team. --
Well done!
I've been using r11987 since its release and would just like to say thanks and well done to the developers for what seems (to me at least) a very stable and (again subjective) generally speedier version. Roll on 2.7! George
Re: NetSurf at Wakefield Show 2011
In message 17f1bfac51.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 26 Feb 2011, Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: [snip] Finally, I'm not sure it's been mentioned officially anywhere, so I'll say it here: The RISC OS front end is now being actively maintained again. :) For which, we are all very grateful to Steve Fryatt. Thanks indeed! Amen to that: splendid news! George --
Re: Netsurf 2.6 impressions
In message 4cb49f9e.8060...@yahoo.com W P Blatchley willblatch...@yahoo.com wrote: I've just started using Netsurf 2.6 on my a9home, and I'm really pleased with it. It seems noticeably quicker and more responsive. So I just wanted to say a big thank you to the Netsurf team. Cheers! Seconded! I've been using 2.6 daily since the beginning of October and it has performed flawlessly: many thanks from me too. George --
Re: Unknown SSL protocol
In message 5144b2a931joh...@ukgateway.net John Williams joh...@ukgateway.net wrote: In article 2afd994451.bo...@boase.demon.co.uk, Bernard Boase b.bo...@bcs.org wrote: [snip] I'm afraid that since then la Poste have changed to a JS-based login system, thus making it impossible for me to verify this. I am obliged now to use a Windows machine[snip] Apologies for going off-topic re Netsurf, but you're not obliged, in fact: your Iyonix should run RO Firefox 2.0.0.21 (Aug 2009-R8) acceptably well with JS enabled, better with JS disabled, and you'll find recent versions of Netsurf (I'm using r10640) coexist perfectly well with it. George --
Re: NetSurf and Printing
In message 51371061e7d...@triffid.co.uk Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote: In article mpro.l5kmdm05tx86o027u.li...@stevefryatt.org.uk, Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote: On 30 Apr, Steve Fryatt wrote in message mpro.l1ph4n06o4rf401yx.li...@stevefryatt.org.uk: On 30 Apr, Dave Symes wrote in message 511035e204d...@triffid.co.uk: In article mpro.l1pale02xmifk01yx.li...@stevefryatt.org.uk, Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote: snip If anyone is still following this problem (a crash after printing on RO6), there's a chance that r10640 might resolve it. Excellent news Steve. Tried it on a couple of web pages, so far no crash out. Thanks, and well done that man. Dave Tried printing out a couple of pages using r10640 under RO5.16: failed each time with error message 'An error occurred when printing: redraw error', with option to click Continue. The good news: the error didn't take NetSurf down, i.e., Continue worked. George --
Re: test builds after 2.5
In message 20100518172458.4024b...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: On Tue, 18 May 2010 16:35:12 +0100 george george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Since the developers have stated that NetSurf 2.5 will be the last stable RISC OS release Where did the developers say this? I don't remember any of us every saying this. Just that it was likely if somebody didn't come in and help with the RISC OS front end. Can people who keep saying this please stop saying it until we say it. You did say it. OK, the word 'stable' was not used, but implied: see TIB article 'Last RISC OS version of NetSurf announced', dated 14 Jan 2010: Team spokesman Michael Drake said earlier today: NetSurf 2.5 is likely to be the last release for RISC OS. It is unlikely that RISC OS development builds will function for much longer after this, either. In the context of that remark, I maintain that my question was a reasonable one, and appropriately phrased. That said, it is good to hear that development continues. Let's hope someone can spare the time to update the RO front end. George --
