Re: (housekeeping) private copies vs list
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 03:00:27PM +0100, David J. Ruck wrote: please, if sending a private copy to somebody while posting to the list, put the list in the TO field and the private copy in CC or BCC? Just noticed its Thunderbird doing that. On some lists the Reply To All button replies back To the list as expected, on others such as this one it replies To the sender and CCs the list. I suspect it may be the lack of the Mail-Followup-To header on posts by this list. Please could the administrators look in to it, to prevent annoyance from people receiving two messages. That's because you're confusing two independent concepts. Reply/Reply-To-All are meant to reply to a person or group of people. List-Reply is meant to reply to the mailing list. That thunderbird only provides the former of those is a deficiency in your chosen mail client and something that you will have to work around. The mailing list is configured correctly, rather than with concessions to inferior software. Mail-Followup-To is the responsibility of the sender normally, indicating whether they would prefer to be replied to directly, or if they prefer that the replies be directed at the list. The only reason I don't yet use them is because I haven't quite formulated a preference. Unfortunately with people using mail clients which don't pay attention to the list headers, there's not a lot we can do without breaking it for those of us who use clients which do. If any of you can determine a mailman setting we may have overlooked which will swap things around (without overwriting the Reply-To header which belongs to the originator, not the mailing list) then please tell me and I will reconfigure the list appropriately if it won't break anything else. Regards, Daniel. -- Daniel Silverstone http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ PGP mail accepted and encouraged.Key Id: 3CCE BABE 206C 3B69
Re: (housekeeping) private copies vs list
Jim Nagel wrote on 15 Oct: Steve Fryatt wrote on 14 Oct : Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: Rob Kendrick wrote on 14 Oct: You mean you don't filter based on To or CC as well as List-Id? :) exactly. of course i could filter on all those fields. but then when somebody sends ME a personal copy the filter would send it to the general list folder where it would not get the priority attention the sender intends. In that situation, you would get two copies: the one via the list would end up filtered on the List-Id field as intended, and the personal copy woild end up in your inbox. It's always worked fine here (I *only* filter on List-Id or its equivalent, where possible). i've been filtering on To = *Netsurf-users* ; have now changed To to List-ID sending myself a personal copy to myself (rather than cc) to see if your suggestion works. verily, it does. i had never realized that such a header as List-ID exists and that the list server inserts it on messages it sends out. this will not be on private copies, since they go another route. so i've learned something (and acquired a hinttip for the magazine). -- Jim Nagel [ www.archivemag.co.uk Offer ] Archive magazine's two free trial issues offer is still in effect. please pass this on if you know someone who hasn't seen the magazine lately.
Re: (housekeeping) private copies vs list
Jim Nagel wrote: please, if sending a private copy to somebody while posting to the list, put the list in the TO field and the private copy in CC or BCC? Just noticed its Thunderbird doing that. On some lists the Reply To All button replies back To the list as expected, on others such as this one it replies To the sender and CCs the list. I suspect it may be the lack of the Mail-Followup-To header on posts by this list. Please could the administrators look in to it, to prevent annoyance from people receiving two messages. Cheers ---David -- David J. Ruck email: dr...@druck.org.uk phone: +44(0)7974 108301
(housekeeping) private copies vs list
please, if sending a private copy to somebody while posting to the list, put the list in the TO field and the private copy in CC or BCC? then people's filtering systems will be happy. -- Jim Nagelwww.archivemag.co.uk
Re: (housekeeping) private copies vs list
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:32:00 +0100 Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: please, if sending a private copy to somebody while posting to the list, put the list in the TO field and the private copy in CC or BCC? then people's filtering systems will be happy. You mean you don't filter based on To or CC as well as List-Id? :) B.
Re: (housekeeping) private copies vs list
On Wed, October 14, 2009 6:01 pm, Rob Kendrick wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:32:00 +0100 Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: please, if sending a private copy to somebody while posting to the list, put the list in the TO field and the private copy in CC or BCC? then people's filtering systems will be happy. You mean you don't filter based on To or CC as well as List-Id? :) B. Perhaps you meant to say 'Oh, are you not able, because you are using a restricted client, to filter on To or CC as well as List-Id? :) Please be so kind as to set 'Reply To:netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org' or other as appropriate :^) -- Regards from Dave Lawton HTML emails are dangerous, and 10 times larger than plain text. Did you know that HTML email just helps the phishers ? 01302 337559 Fax 01302 337564
Re: (housekeeping) private copies vs list
On 14 Oct 2009 Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:32:00 +0100 Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: please, if sending a private copy to somebody while posting to the list, put the list in the TO field and the private copy in CC or BCC? then people's filtering systems will be happy. You mean you don't filter based on To or CC as well as List-Id? :) Or return-path? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Yb \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne\/ ____\ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _\ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: (housekeeping) private copies vs list
Rob Kendrick wrote on 14 Oct: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:32:00 +0100 Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: please, if sending a private copy to somebody while posting to the list, put the list in the TO field and the private copy in CC or BCC? then people's filtering systems will be happy. You mean you don't filter based on To or CC as well as List-Id? :) exactly. of course i could filter on all those fields. but then when somebody sends ME a personal copy the filter would send it to the general list folder where it would not get the priority attention the sender intends. -- Jim Nagelwww.archivemag.co.uk
Re: (housekeeping) private copies vs list
Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: Rob Kendrick wrote on 14 Oct: You mean you don't filter based on To or CC as well as List-Id? :) exactly. of course i could filter on all those fields. but then when somebody sends ME a personal copy the filter would send it to the general list folder where it would not get the priority attention the sender intends. In that situation, you would get two copies: the one via the list would end up filtered on the List-Id field as intended, and the personal copy woild end up in your inbox. It's always worked fine here (I *only* filter on List-Id or its equivalent, where possible). -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
Re: (housekeeping) private copies vs list
Steve Fryatt wrote on 14 Oct : Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: Rob Kendrick wrote on 14 Oct: You mean you don't filter based on To or CC as well as List-Id? :) exactly. of course i could filter on all those fields. but then when somebody sends ME a personal copy the filter would send it to the general list folder where it would not get the priority attention the sender intends. In that situation, you would get two copies: the one via the list would end up filtered on the List-Id field as intended, and the personal copy woild end up in your inbox. It's always worked fine here (I *only* filter on List-Id or its equivalent, where possible). i've been filtering on To = *Netsurf-users* ; have now changed To to List-ID sending myself a personal copy to myself (rather than cc) to see if your suggestion works. -- Jim Nagelwww.archivemag.co.uk
