Re: Big push on testing needed

[george greenfield]

In message <5548c5c513cvj...@waitrose.com>
  Chris Newman  wrote:

> In article <3bc72c4755.davem...@my.inbox.com>,
>Dave Higton  wrote:
>> Big news...

>> Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates.  Yes, a new
>> release of NetSurf is imminent.

>> Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will,
>> of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good
>> thrashing, and get your bug reports in.

>> Please also note that, since it's now close to release time, the
>> Javascript setting in Choices->Content is obeyed (and has been
>> for a couple of days or so now).

> Greetings from sunny Australia (gloat, gloat),

> The 38 Degrees petition page at

> https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/Scotland-stop-CETA

> Is a bit of a pigs dinner. It takes ages to load, frames overlap & the
> signing link doesn't work.

> Dev CI #3315   on  Virtual Acorn Adjust 4.39
> Same effects with JS on or off.

> Works OK using Maxthon browser on the Windows side.

> Does anyone see the same effects?

2.6s JS off, 5.4s JS on, CI #3312, 5.21 (RC14), Pi 2 @ 900MHz. Page 
display is substantially different compared to Otter 0.9.09 on RISC 
OS. The signing link doesn't work in Netsurf with JS on or off, but 
Otter seems fully functional with JS enabled. I didn't make a precise 
count of page loading time in Otter - it's considerably slower than 
NS, about 20-30 secs JS off/on.

-- 
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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Chris Newman]

In article <3bc72c4755.davem...@my.inbox.com>,
   Dave Higton  wrote:
> Big news...

> Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates.  Yes, a new
> release of NetSurf is imminent.

> Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will,
> of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good
> thrashing, and get your bug reports in.

> Please also note that, since it's now close to release time, the
> Javascript setting in Choices->Content is obeyed (and has been
> for a couple of days or so now).

Greetings from sunny Australia (gloat, gloat),

The 38 Degrees petition page at

https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/Scotland-stop-CETA

Is a bit of a pigs dinner. It takes ages to load, frames overlap & the
signing link doesn't work.

Dev CI #3315   on  Virtual Acorn Adjust 4.39
Same effects with JS on or off.

Works OK using Maxthon browser on the Windows side.

Does anyone see the same effects?

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Brian]

In article <5548c5c513cvj...@waitrose.com>,
   Chris Newman  wrote:
> In article <3bc72c4755.davem...@my.inbox.com>,
>Dave Higton  wrote:
> > Big news...

> > Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates.  Yes, a new
> > release of NetSurf is imminent.

> > Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will,
> > of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good
> > thrashing, and get your bug reports in.

> > Please also note that, since it's now close to release time, the
> > Javascript setting in Choices->Content is obeyed (and has been
> > for a couple of days or so now).

> Greetings from sunny Australia (gloat, gloat),

> The 38 Degrees petition page at

> https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/Scotland-stop-CETA

> Is a bit of a pigs dinner. It takes ages to load, frames overlap & the
> signing link doesn't work.

10.2 secs here and only one frame overlaps. Not really a pig's dinner, not
even a dog's breakfast, I would think!?! Don't know about the signing in
link, something happens but not sure if it does so correctly, or not.

#3315 on VRPC 4.02

> Dev CI #3315   on  Virtual Acorn Adjust 4.39
> Same effects with JS on or off.

> Works OK using Maxthon browser on the Windows side.

> Does anyone see the same effects?

Re: Big push on testing needed

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Daniel Silverstone  wrote

> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 20:43:19 +, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:
>> My javascript is now working. the problem was that the new interpreter
>> does not like html comments between the  and  tags.

> Have you reported this, along with an *attached* test case, to the BTS?
> If so, can you let me know the issue number?

Hello Daniel,
 Michael Drake has reported it upstream to Duktape

 https://github.com/svaarala/duktape/pull/564


John


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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Michael Drake]

On 27/01/16 18:05, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:

Daniel Silverstone  wrote



Have you reported this, along with an *attached* test case, to the BTS?
If so, can you let me know the issue number?



Michael Drake has reported it upstream to Duktape


That doesn't change the need for a report in the NetSurf bug tracker.
The upstream may decide that the fix doesn't belong in duktape, or
they could implement it, but that would fix nothing for NetSurf
users unless we update duktape in the NetSurf source.

We have an issue tracker to keep track of all the things we need to
do.  It's impossible to remember everything.

I've created an issue here:

  http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2416

I'd be grateful if someone could attach a test case.

Cheers,

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[David Pitt]

Michael Drake, on 27 Jan, wrote:

> On 27/01/16 18:05, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:
> > Daniel Silverstone  wrote
> 
> > > Have you reported this, along with an *attached* test case, to the
> > > BTS? If so, can you let me know the issue number?
> 
> > Michael Drake has reported it upstream to Duktape
> 
> That doesn't change the need for a report in the NetSurf bug tracker. The
> upstream may decide that the fix doesn't belong in duktape, or they could
> implement it, but that would fix nothing for NetSurf users unless we
> update duktape in the NetSurf source.
> 
> We have an issue tracker to keep track of all the things we need to do.
> It's impossible to remember everything.
> 
> I've created an issue here:
> 
>http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2416
> 
> I'd be grateful if someone could attach a test case.

Done.

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[John Rickman Iyonix]

>Dave Higton  wrote
> My reference suggests that an HTML comment is /not/ a legal Javascript
> comment.  Perhaps you should open a discussion with the author of the
> above application.  I would, of course, be very interested to know the
> conclusion!

Dave - below is an extract from the
"Ecma Standard definition of the ECMAScript 2015 Language",

Assuming that that JavaScript is entirely defined by the ECMAScript 
standard, it seems clear that html style comments are valid.

*
"Annex B (normative) Additional ECMAScript Features for Web Browsers"
...
B.1.3 HTML-like Comments
The syntax and semantics of 11.4 is extended as follows except that 
this extension is not when parsing source
code using the goal symbol Module:

Syntax
Comment ::
 MultiLineComment
 SingleLineComment
 SingleLineHTMLOpenComment
 SingleLineHTMLCloseComment
 SingleLineDelimitedComment

MultiLineComment ::
   /* FirstCommentLineopt LineTerminator MultiLineCommentCharsopt 
*/ HTMLCloseCommentopt

FirstCommentLine ::
   SingleLineDelimitedCommentChars

SingleLineHTMLOpenComment ::

SingleLineCommentCharsopt

SingleLineDelimitedCommentChars ::
   SingleLineNotAsteriskChar SingleLineDelimitedCommentCharsopt
   * SingleLinePostAsteriskCommentCharsopt

SingleLineNotAsteriskChar ::
   SourceCharacter but not one of * or LineTerminator

SingleLinePostAsteriskCommentChars ::
   SingleLineNotForwardSlashOrAsteriskChar 
SingleLineDelimitedCommentCharsopt
   * SingleLinePostAsteriskCommentCharsopt

SingleLineNotForwardSlashOrAsteriskChar ::
   SourceCharacter but not one of / or * or LineTerminator

WhiteSpaceSequence ::
  WhiteSpace WhiteSpaceSequenceopt

SingleLineDelimitedCommentSequence ::
   SingleLineDelimitedComment WhiteSpaceSequenceopt 
SingleLineDelimitedCommentSequenceopt



Copyright Ecma International 2015   

page  523


*

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Michael Drake]

On 27/01/16 10:33, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:


Assuming that that JavaScript is entirely defined by the ECMAScript
standard, it seems clear that html style comments are valid.


Thanks John.  This has been reported upstream to the maintainer of
Duktape (the JavaScript engine we use).

You can follow the issue here:

https://github.com/svaarala/duktape/pull/564

Cheers,

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Daniel Silverstone]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 20:43:19 +, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:
> My javascript is now working. the problem was that the new interpreter
> does not like html comments between the  and  tags.

Have you reported this, along with an *attached* test case, to the BTS?

If so, can you let me know the issue number?

D.

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[lists]

In article <3bc72c4755.davem...@my.inbox.com>,
   Dave Higton  wrote:
> Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will,
> of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good
> thrashing, and get your bug reports in.

A site I use a lot is

http://cpc.farnell.com/

Although it displays quite nicely, the "search" box, which should be within
the broad blue banner at the top, to the right of "All products", isn't
visible - is this fixable?

#3312

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Dave Higton]

In message <57e4a64755.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk>
  John Rickman Iyonix  wrote:

>As far as I know javascript should ignore html comments and the 
>javascript validator does not flag them as errors
>
> http://www.javascriptlint.com/online_lint.php

My reference suggests that an HTML comment is /not/ a legal Javascript
comment.  Perhaps you should open a discussion with the author of the
above application.  I would, of course, be very interested to know the
conclusion!

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Dave Higton]

In message <5547e95991stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
  lists  wrote:

>In article <3bc72c4755.davem...@my.inbox.com>,
>   Dave Higton  wrote:
>> Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will,
>> of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good
>> thrashing, and get your bug reports in.
>
>A site I use a lot is
>
>http://cpc.farnell.com/
>
>Although it displays quite nicely, the "search" box, which should be within
>the broad blue banner at the top, to the right of "All products", isn't
>visible - is this fixable?
>
>#3312

Please raise an issue on Mantis.

NetSurf has an unsatisfactory layout engine.  It needs replacing.
This is clearly a big job.  However, please don't let that deter
you from raising the issue - it's not clear to me whether particular
issues, like the one you point out, can be fixed independently
of the major rework.

Dave


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Re: Big push on testing needed

[lists]

In article ,
   Dave Higton  wrote:
> Please raise an issue on Mantis.

At around 10 this morning, I went to the bug-tracker site and went through
the process of creating a login - user name, email, catchpa - all went ok
but I'm still waiting for the confirmation email to complete the process!

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Dave Higton  wrote

> In message <57e4a64755.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk>
>   John Rickman Iyonix  wrote:

>>As far as I know javascript should ignore html comments and the
>>javascript validator does not flag them as errors
>>
>> http://www.javascriptlint.com/online_lint.php

> My reference suggests that an HTML comment is /not/ a legal Javascript
> comment.  Perhaps you should open a discussion with the author of the
> above application.  I would, of course, be very interested to know the
> conclusion!

It doesn't really matter now as I have changed all the comments to 
"proper" JavaScript style. I don't remember where I got the idea that 
html style was acceptable in JS, but the article in this link says 
they are ok:-
  http://www.javascripter.net/faq/comments.htm

I will investigate further.

John

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Chris Young]

On 26 January 2016 23:58:51 GMT+00:00, John Rickman Iyonix 
 wrote:
>Dave Higton  wrote
>
>> In message <57e4a64755.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk>
>>   John Rickman Iyonix  wrote:
>
>>>As far as I know javascript should ignore html comments and the
>>>javascript validator does not flag them as errors
>>>
>>> http://www.javascriptlint.com/online_lint.php
>
>> My reference suggests that an HTML comment is /not/ a legal
>Javascript
>> comment.  Perhaps you should open a discussion with the author of the
>> above application.  I would, of course, be very interested to know
>the
>> conclusion!
>
>It doesn't really matter now as I have changed all the comments to 
>"proper" JavaScript style. I don't remember where I got the idea that 
>html style was acceptable in JS, but the article in this link says 
>they are ok:-
>  http://www.javascripter.net/faq/comments.htm
>
>I will investigate further.

They must be OK to some extent, because the old advice was to encapsulate 
everything within 

Re: Big push on testing needed

[Bryn Evans]

In a mad moment - Dave ec 20)  mumbled :

> Big news...

> Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates.  Yes, a new
> release of NetSurf is imminent.

> Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will,
> of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good
> thrashing, and get your bug reports in.

Thanks for the update.

Using builds 3308 everything seems OK with and without JSript.

This is both on RiscPC, RO 4.02 and RaPi (B) RO 5.23 (Dec 20)

There is NO Pain!

One anomaly has shown up. On the RiscPC, the AMAZON Log In page is 
fine, but on the RaPi the first box 'mobile or email' is limited
to showing only the last 5 characters I enter, making it difficult
to spot typos. Again this is the same for both JS on and off.
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Re: Big push on testing needed

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Dave Higton  wrote

>> I am happy to download every day, or whenever a new version is
>> available.
>> Is there any information available about the current state of
>> javascript?

> That's impossible to answer in any way that is both simple and
> meaningful.

> The Javascript interpreter was replaced with a different one
> a few months ago.  The decision was taken not to make a new
> stable release of NS until all the Javascript features of the
> previous interpreter are present again.  However, some other
> JS features are also present.

> The JS implementation is still far from complete, though.  If
> you need a RISC OS browser with complete (-ish) Javascript at
> the moment, you'll have to use Otter or QupZilla, and put up
> with the slower speeds.

> To look at your question from a different angle: is there a
> particular Javascript feature that you need?

Hello Dave, thanks for the information. It is sufficient for my 
purpose. When the JS interepreter was changed all of my JS example 
code stopped working. I believed, mistakenly it turns out, that the JS 
support in NetSurf was a sort of place holder. I have been waiting for 
some sort of announcment that it had been re-implemented.

I have now looked more closely at my code and believe I have found the 
problem.

This link which contains various javascript examples used to work in 
NetSurf and now does not. The fact that it works on other browsers  
led me to believe that NetSurf was at fault:-

   http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/testing/test5.html

I have now traced the problem to an error in my code. I need to fix 
the problem and try again.

John

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[John Rickman Iyonix]

John Rickman Iyonix  wrote

>http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/testing/test5.html

> I have now traced the problem to an error in my code. I need to fix
> the problem and try again.

My javascript is now working. the problem was that the new interpreter
does not like html comments between the  and  tags.

 
  Bakehouse-Cyber
 
 
   document.write("hello world");
 
  

As far as I know javascript should ignore html comments and the 
javascript validator does not flag them as errors

 http://www.javascriptlint.com/online_lint.php

John


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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Dave Higton]

In message <57e4a64755.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk>
  John Rickman Iyonix  wrote:

>John Rickman Iyonix  wrote
>
>>http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/testing/test5.html
>
>> I have now traced the problem to an error in my code. I need to fix
>> the problem and try again.
>
>My javascript is now working. the problem was that the new interpreter
>does not like html comments between the  and  tags.
>
> 
>  Bakehouse-Cyber
> 
> 
>   document.write("hello world");
> 
>  
>
>As far as I know javascript should ignore html comments and the 
>javascript validator does not flag them as errors
>
> http://www.javascriptlint.com/online_lint.php

My O'Reilly Javascript book tells me that Javascript supports C-
style and C++-style comments.  The only mention of HTML-style
comments relates to really, really, old browsers.

I think your code above is genuinely wrong, although I guess
it might be supported by some browsers that are deliberately
written to be tolerant of errors.

I'd recommens that you change your comment line to:

  // here is some javascript

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Dave Higton]

In message <554757c729bbai...@argonet.co.uk>
  Brian  wrote:

>In article <3bc72c4755.davem...@my.inbox.com>,
>   Dave Higton  wrote:
>> Big news...
>
>> Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates.  Yes, a new
>> release of NetSurf is imminent.
>
>> Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will,
>> of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good
>> thrashing, and get your bug reports in.
>
>> Please also note that, since it's now close to release time, the
>> Javascript setting in Choices->Content is obeyed (and has been
>> for a couple of days or so now).
>
>> Dave
>
>Fetching websites seems to storm along at a rate of knots. Has something
>been done to NetSurf to enable this?

It has been suggested that the Unixlib fixes may be responsible.

If you go back far enough (before 2015 early November), the
regular expression parser was sometimes responsible for an
unbelievably high proportion of page load times.  (At the
developer weekend last autumn, I saw an example where it took
90% of the CPU time.)

One other thing: the CI builds are coming out with logging
enabled.  This will be changed for the release version.  So,
if you want NS to go even faster, turn logging off (you'll
see the setting near the top of the !Run file).  Of course:

1) you'll have to turn it back on again to get a log to report
a bug;

2) you'll want to turn it off again for each new CI version
you install.

It's a bit of an extreme example, but a Javascript test I
ran last night took over 6 minutes with logging enabled (it
created a 25 MB file) but 20 seconds with logging disabled.

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Michael Drake]

On 25/01/16 21:43, Dave Higton wrote:

One other thing: the CI builds are coming out with logging
enabled.  This will be changed for the release version.


All RISC OS releases and CI builds have had logging enabled.
I would not suggest turning it off.  If something does
go wrong there would be nothing to help us fix the problem
In the very rare cases when we've logged so much that it
makes a significant impact on performance it's because we're
aware something is buggy and want to gather the info needed
to help fix it.

The reason I suggested turning logging off to you last night
was to determine what the problem was without needing to
rebuild anything.

Since then, I've disabled the excessive JavaScript debug
output, so there should be no reason for users to do
anything unusual with the !Run file.

Cheers,

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Dave Higton]

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 23:20:33 GMT John Rickman wrote:

> Dave Higton  wrote
> 
>> Big news...
> 
>> Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates.  Yes, a new
>> release of NetSurf is imminent.
> 
>> Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will,
>> of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good
>> thrashing, and get your bug reports in.
> 
>> Please also note that, since it's now close to release time, the
>> Javascript setting in Choices->Content is obeyed (and has been
>> for a couple of days or so now).
> 
> 
> I am happy to download every day, or whenever a new version is
> available.
> Is there any information available about the current state of
> javascript?

That's impossible to answer in any way that is both simple and
meaningful.

The Javascript interpreter was replaced with a different one
a few months ago.  The decision was taken not to make a new
stable release of NS until all the Javascript features of the
previous interpreter are present again.  However, some other
JS features are also present.

The JS implementation is still far from complete, though.  If
you need a RISC OS browser with complete (-ish) Javascript at
the moment, you'll have to use Otter or QupZilla, and put up
with the slower speeds.

To look at your question from a different angle: is there a
particular Javascript feature that you need?

Dave


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Big push on testing needed

[Dave Higton]

Big news...

Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates.  Yes, a new
release of NetSurf is imminent.

Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will,
of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good
thrashing, and get your bug reports in.

Please also note that, since it's now close to release time, the
Javascript setting in Choices->Content is obeyed (and has been
for a couple of days or so now).

Dave


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Re: Big push on testing needed

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Dave Higton  wrote

> Big news...

> Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates.  Yes, a new
> release of NetSurf is imminent.

> Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will,
> of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good
> thrashing, and get your bug reports in.

> Please also note that, since it's now close to release time, the
> Javascript setting in Choices->Content is obeyed (and has been
> for a couple of days or so now).


I am happy to download every day, or whenever a new version is 
available.
Is there any information available about the current state of 
javascript?

John

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