Re: On line passport application

2013-01-14 Thread Vincent Sanders
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:32:14PM +, Tim Hill wrote:
 In article
 56966.82.153.33.53.1358117198.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk, Gerald
 Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote:
   In message
   55612.82.153.33.53.1358077313.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co .uk
 Gerald Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote:
  
   Trouble with this on the UK gov site: goes to an error 404 screen.
   Has anyone had success with this?
  
   Hi Gerald
  
   Can you give the URL? I'll have a go.
  
   Chris.
  
 
 
  It is:
 
  https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/ctl04 On Suirrel it does not show
  distinction between lower case 'l' and number 1. The string epa is
  followed by number 1r1: the 'ct' by lower case 'l'.
 
 Perhaps you should use a better font. (What's Suirrel?)
 
 As usual, this seems to be a NetSurf+Javascript issue. On 'another
 platform' with a modern browser, the page linked to from
 passports.ips.gov.uk is
 https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/Rich/Formpage.aspx and not what
 Netsurf comes up with that you quote; it uses a javascript link. Even
 NetSurf's partial javascript is obviously not catered for.

Actually the *correct* analysis is:

https://passports.ips.gov.uk/ -302 redirect - 
https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/index.html

All the links use old style javascript: URI scheme links (instead on onclick) 
calling __doPostBack();

unfortunately because out User-Agent reply is truthful and not a pack
of lies. The site is not serving any of the javascript code to provide
the actual implementation for __doPostBack

which, unsurprisingly, results in bad page navigation. 

I will open the discussion with the other developers on our UA string
again...trouble is I agree with the principle of not lieing so this is
a difficult issue to think about.



 
 Whether you can get any further with NetSurf is not something I would
 bother to try. I long ago gave up using RISC OS for 'serious' surfing.
 Even a £28 Android tablet is more capable, unfortunately.

This is not a helpful statement, especialy not on the NetSurf users
mailing list, you are of course entitled to express your
opinion...elsewhere.

 
 -- 
 Tim Hill
 ..

-- 
Regards Vincent
http://www.kyllikki.org/



Re: On line passport application

2013-01-14 Thread Tim Hill
In article 20130114133944.gv15...@kyllikki.org, Vincent Sanders
vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 I will open the discussion with the other developers on our UA string
 again...trouble is I agree with the principle of not lieing so this is
 a difficult issue to think about.

If it helps, anyone using Android browsers may get used to the idea of
browsers' User Agent string lying in order for the page you want (i.e.
not the mobile one) to be served. Some (e.g Dolphin) even have quite a
few choices.

[Snip]

-- 
Tim Hill
..
www.timil.com




Re: On line passport application

2013-01-14 Thread Gerald Dodson
 On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:32:14 + (GMT), Tim Hill wrote:

 As usual, this seems to be a NetSurf+Javascript issue. On 'another
 platform' with a modern browser, the page linked to from
 passports.ips.gov.uk is
 https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/Rich/Formpage.aspx and not what
 Netsurf comes up with that you quote; it uses a javascript link. Even
 NetSurf's partial javascript is obviously not catered for.

 The solution is actually to DISABLE JavaScript for it to work.
 When enabled it tries to go to
 javascript:__doPostBack(\'ctl04\',\'\'), whatever that is supposed
 to do is clearly not supported/working in NetSurf currently.

 With JS disabled, NetSurf goes to the following page:
 https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/NoScriptRich/Formpage.aspx
 Which should work perfectly, being a non-JS version of the site.

 Chris

Thanks for that. I must remember to try JS off in future. The Squirrel
queried by Tim Hill is what you get with Orpheus. I have just been too
lazy to set my Iyo up with Pluto yet. As far as I know there are no
options for fonts with Squirrel- certainly no options in its choices.

Gerald





Re: On line passport application

2013-01-13 Thread Christopher Dewhurst
In message 55612.82.153.33.53.1358077313.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co 
.uk
  Gerald Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 Trouble with this on the UK gov site: goes to an error 404 screen. Has
 anyone had success with this?

Hi Gerald

Can you give the URL? I'll have a go.

Chris.

 Gerald





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Re: On line passport application

2013-01-13 Thread Gerald Dodson
 In message 55612.82.153.33.53.1358077313.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co
 .uk
   Gerald Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 Trouble with this on the UK gov site: goes to an error 404 screen. Has
 anyone had success with this?

 Hi Gerald

 Can you give the URL? I'll have a go.

 Chris.



It is:

https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/ctl04
On Suirrel it does not show distinction between lower case 'l' and number
1. The string epa is followed by number 1r1: the 'ct' by lower case 'l'.

Gerald





Re: On line passport application

2013-01-13 Thread Tim Hill
In article
56966.82.153.33.53.1358117198.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk, Gerald
Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote:
  In message
  55612.82.153.33.53.1358077313.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co .uk
Gerald Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote:
 
  Trouble with this on the UK gov site: goes to an error 404 screen.
  Has anyone had success with this?
 
  Hi Gerald
 
  Can you give the URL? I'll have a go.
 
  Chris.
 


 It is:

 https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/ctl04 On Suirrel it does not show
 distinction between lower case 'l' and number 1. The string epa is
 followed by number 1r1: the 'ct' by lower case 'l'.

Perhaps you should use a better font. (What's Suirrel?)

As usual, this seems to be a NetSurf+Javascript issue. On 'another
platform' with a modern browser, the page linked to from
passports.ips.gov.uk is
https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/Rich/Formpage.aspx and not what
Netsurf comes up with that you quote; it uses a javascript link. Even
NetSurf's partial javascript is obviously not catered for.

Whether you can get any further with NetSurf is not something I would
bother to try. I long ago gave up using RISC OS for 'serious' surfing.
Even a £28 Android tablet is more capable, unfortunately.

-- 
Tim Hill
..
www.timil.com




Re: On line passport application

2013-01-13 Thread Chris Young
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:32:14 + (GMT), Tim Hill wrote:

 As usual, this seems to be a NetSurf+Javascript issue. On 'another
 platform' with a modern browser, the page linked to from
 passports.ips.gov.uk is
 https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/Rich/Formpage.aspx and not what
 Netsurf comes up with that you quote; it uses a javascript link. Even
 NetSurf's partial javascript is obviously not catered for.

The solution is actually to DISABLE JavaScript for it to work. 
When enabled it tries to go to
javascript:__doPostBack(\'ctl04\',\'\'), whatever that is supposed
to do is clearly not supported/working in NetSurf currently.

With JS disabled, NetSurf goes to the following page:
https://passports.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/NoScriptRich/Formpage.aspx
Which should work perfectly, being a non-JS version of the site.

Chris