Re: Orpheus Home page
In message cfd9b04753.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk on 6 May 2013 Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: If you go to http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/riscos/ you will find that the first half of the listed builds are -jsoff- and the second half are -json- I'm aware of that - thank you. The point is that some people choose to use the stable releases, instead of the development builds. This discussion had its origin in a post to csa.apps by someone who had downloaded NetSurf 3.0 and was 'having some difficulty with its JS'. Oops. Eggs. Sucking. Grandmother. Dont teach. ;-( Regards Andrew -- Andrew Pinder
Re: Orpheus Home page
On 1 May 2013, Chris Young chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk wrote: [snip] I think it is highly likely that NetSurf 3.0 has been built without JavaScript support. At present, both http://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/1847 and the ChangeLog assert that NetSurf 3.0 offers 'early and primitive JavaScript support'. However, it would appear that this is untrue. Is it intended to rebuild NetSurf 3.0 and/or alter the ChangeLog so that they are mutually consistent? Tony
Re: Orpheus Home page
In message 3c58a64753.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk on 6 May 2013 Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 1 May 2013, Chris Young chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk wrote: [snip] I think it is highly likely that NetSurf 3.0 has been built without JavaScript support. At present, both http://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/1847 and the ChangeLog assert that NetSurf 3.0 offers 'early and primitive JavaScript support'. However, it would appear that this is untrue. Is it intended to rebuild NetSurf 3.0 and/or alter the ChangeLog so that they are mutually consistent? If you go to http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/riscos/ you will find that the first half of the listed builds are -jsoff- and the second half are -json- Scroll right down to the bottom to find the most recent json build. Regards Andrew -- Andrew Pinder
Re: Orpheus Home page
On 6 May 2013, Andrew Pinder andrew.pin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: In message 3c58a64753.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk on 6 May 2013 Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 1 May 2013, Chris Young chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk wrote: [snip] I think it is highly likely that NetSurf 3.0 has been built without JavaScript support. At present, both http://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/1847 and the ChangeLog assert that NetSurf 3.0 offers 'early and primitive JavaScript support'. However, it would appear that this is untrue. Is it intended to rebuild NetSurf 3.0 and/or alter the ChangeLog so that they are mutually consistent? If you go to http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/riscos/ you will find that the first half of the listed builds are -jsoff- and the second half are -json- I'm aware of that - thank you. The point is that some people choose to use the stable releases, instead of the development builds. This discussion had its origin in a post to csa.apps by someone who had downloaded NetSurf 3.0 and was 'having some difficulty with its JS'. Tony
Re: Orpheus Home Page
The misunderstanding seems to persist: NS 3.0 does have JS built in. As I understand things and, as already stated before, JS is disabled when you load NS. MenuChoicesContent takes you to the selection where you can enable JS. With 3.0 you will always have to set what you want each time NS is loaded, unlike the developemnt versions which will retain the choice once selected whenever NS is subsequently reloaded. Gerald
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On 6 May 2013, Gerald Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote: The misunderstanding seems to persist: NS 3.0 does have JS built in. Chris Young, a NetSurf Developer, thinks that it is 'highly likely' that NetSurf 3.0 was compiled without JS support. Please see message 51815842.10...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk The !RunImage size in NetSurf 3.0 is 3MB, which is the same as that of a jsoff build. The !RunImage size in a json build is 5MB. Tony
Re: Orpheus Home Page
On Mon, 6 May, 2013 7:09 pm, Gerald Dodson wrote: The misunderstanding seems to persist: NS 3.0 does have JS built in. As I understand things and, as already stated before, JS is disabled when you load NS. MenuChoicesContent takes you to the selection where you can enable JS. With 3.0 you will always have to set what you want each time NS is loaded, unlike the developemnt versions which will retain the choice once selected whenever NS is subsequently reloaded. Gerald Yes and having set that and taking into account that this is an early implementation has anyone *actually* got JS working on 3.0 - the consensus seems to be that this is (accidentally?) a JS off version despite what the documentation says and the inclusion of the on/off button. I am told 3.1 is sufficiently stable to use - any comment? John
Re: Orpheus Home Page
In message 62523.62.172.88.224.1367871663.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk Learning Partners lp.bo...@argonet.co.uk wrote: I am told 3.1 is sufficiently stable to use - any comment? The development versions are almost always sufficiently stable to use, despite the dire warnings. Keep a history of a few versions, and you'll definitely be OK. Dave FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium
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On 1 May 2013 Learning Partners lp.bo...@argonet.co.uk wrote: The Orpheus Home page does not seem to render correctly on my set up (Iyo 5.16). It did on 2.9 - whoops. Does anyone else have the same experience? Yes, confirmed here (NetSurf #1096, ARMini, RISC OS 5.19). It's readable, but the formatting is all wring compared with Windows Firefox. Some, but not all, of the other pages also show malformed formatting. It doesn't make any difference turning JavaScript off. Thanks for work on the new release - text editing is so much improved. Hear, hear! Can't get javascript to work at all though (ticked on in choices but) Seems to work here. Have you made sure that you have a JavaScript version? :-) http://javatester.org/javascript.html will tell you whether JavaScript is working or not. Here I see: JavaScript IS WORKING in your web browser Your web browser supports JavaScript version 2.2 Every web browser identifies itself to websites with a character string called the user agent. The User Agent string for your web browser is: NetSurf/3.0 (RISC OS) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter Young (zfc Ta) and family Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: Orpheus Home page
On 1 May 2013, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: On 1 May 2013 Learning Partners lp.bo...@argonet.co.uk wrote: [snip] Can't get javascript to work at all though (ticked on in choices but) Seems to work here. Have you made sure that you have a JavaScript version? :-) http://javatester.org/javascript.html will tell you whether JavaScript is working or not. Here I see: JavaScript IS WORKING in your web browser Your web browser supports JavaScript version 2.2 Every web browser identifies itself to websites with a character string called the user agent. The User Agent string for your web browser is: NetSurf/3.0 (RISC OS) John mentions the 'new release' which presumably means NS 3.0. Although the javatester response above mentions NetSurf/3.0, the actual response when using the NS 3.0 release, is a blank Test Results window, if JS is working, and a fail notice if not. The extended javatester response above presumably results from JS improvements in NS #1096, as compared with NS 3.0. For comparison, the javatester response to the earlier NS #1083 is JavaScript IS WORKING in your web browser Your web browser supports JavaScript version 2.2 Your web browser was not detected as being either Opera, Firefox, Internet Explorer, Chrome or a BlackBerry so it seems that work is on-going in this area. As mentioned in another post, there is a bug in NS 3.0 which causes the JS setting in Choices to be lost when NS is quit/re-started. This means that it is necessary to re-set 'Disable JavaScript' when NS 3.0 is run. Tony
Re: Orpheus Home page
On Wed, 1 May, 2013 1:01 pm, Tony Moore wrote: On 1 May 2013, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: John mentions the 'new release' which presumably means NS 3.0. Although the javatester response above mentions NetSurf/3.0, the actual response when using the NS 3.0 release, is a blank Test Results window, if JS is working, and a fail notice if not. Yes get the blank window. Thanks JS setting in Choices to be lost when NS is quit/re-started. This means that it is necessary to re-set 'Disable JavaScript' when NS 3.0 is run. Yes am doing that. My problem is with Outlook Web Access where javascript:SetCmd(CmdSend);: Send does not seem to be supported yet. Still I realise this is early days and it is a miracle anyway that I can read Outlook Web Access and Sharepoint pages in RISC OS! John
Re: Orpheus Home page
On 1 May 2013, Learning Partners lp.bo...@argonet.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 1 May, 2013 1:01 pm, Tony Moore wrote: [snip] JS setting in Choices to be lost when NS is quit/re-started. This means that it is necessary to re-set 'Disable JavaScript' when NS 3.0 is run. Yes am doing that. My problem is with Outlook Web Access where javascript:SetCmd(CmdSend);: Send does not seem to be supported yet. Still I realise this is early days and it is a miracle anyway that I can read Outlook Web Access and Sharepoint pages in RISC OS! If JS is important to you I would suggest downloading the latest development build from http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/riscos/ . (choose json at the bottom of the page). The JS choices bug is absent, and the JS support itself is more advanced than that in NS 3.0. If you wish to keep up to date with the latest development build, Frank de Bruijn's Fetch_NS is very useful http://aconet.org/tools/ Tony
Re: Orpheus Home page
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 03:54:40PM +, Tony Moore wrote: If JS is important to you I would suggest downloading the latest development build from http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/riscos/ . (choose json at the bottom of the page). The JS choices bug is absent, and the JS support itself is more advanced than that in NS 3.0. The JS support in the current builds is very likely to be identical to the 3.0 build. As for the 'choices bug' we have no idea what's going on there. Again I don't think we've touched anything in that yet. D. -- Daniel Silverstone http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ PGP mail accepted and encouraged.Key Id: 3CCE BABE 206C 3B69
Re: Orpheus Home page
On 1 May 2013, Daniel Silverstone dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 03:54:40PM +, Tony Moore wrote: If JS is important to you I would suggest downloading the latest development build from http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/riscos/ . (choose json at the bottom of the page). The JS choices bug is absent, and the JS support itself is more advanced than that in NS 3.0. The JS support in the current builds is very likely to be identical to the 3.0 build. http://javatester.org/javascript.html responds to NS 3.0 with a blank Test Results window, whereas the response to the current 3.1 build is verbose. I took this to indicate JS progress. I'm sorry if the assumtion was not correct. As for the 'choices bug' we have no idea what's going on there. Again I don't think we've touched anything in that yet. There has been a discussion of the problem on csa.apps, several people having noticed the same effect. Tony
Re: Orpheus Home page
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 04:45:29PM +, Tony Moore wrote: On 1 May 2013, Daniel Silverstone dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: As for the 'choices bug' we have no idea what's going on there. Again I don't think we've touched anything in that yet. There has been a discussion of the problem on csa.apps, several people having noticed the same effect. Issues with NetSurf should be reported here or on the bug tracker. Anything reported anywhere else is highly unlikely to attract the attention of NetSurf's developers. Certainly, none of the core developers read csa.* at all. J.
Re: Orpheus Home page
On 1 May 2013, John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 04:45:29PM +, Tony Moore wrote: On 1 May 2013, Daniel Silverstone dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: As for the 'choices bug' we have no idea what's going on there. Again I don't think we've touched anything in that yet. There has been a discussion of the problem on csa.apps, several people having noticed the same effect. Issues with NetSurf should be reported here or on the bug tracker. See message ddd9f14453.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk , earlier today, I haven't reported it to the bug tracker because the problem affects only 3.0 so, in the current builds, there is nothing to fix. Tony
Re: Orpheus Home page
On 01/05/13 17:45, Tony Moore wrote: On 1 May 2013, Daniel Silverstone dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: The JS support in the current builds is very likely to be identical to the 3.0 build. http://javatester.org/javascript.html responds to NS 3.0 with a blank Test Results window, whereas the response to the current 3.1 build is verbose. I took this to indicate JS progress. I'm sorry if the assumtion was not correct. I think it is highly likely that NetSurf 3.0 has been built without JavaScript support. This would explain the persistent disabling of JavaScript on startup. When JavaScript is enabled, the blank page on JavaScript tester is a result of the browser thinking it supports JavaScript (so the noscript section gets ignored), but not supporting JavaScript (so the expected text does not get printed, as it uses JavaScript to print that text. The only bug here is that the Disable JavaScript choices option should not be available in builds that do not support JavaScript. Chris
Re: Orpheus Home page
On 1 May 2013, Chris Young chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk wrote: On 01/05/13 17:45, Tony Moore wrote: On 1 May 2013, Daniel Silverstone dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: The JS support in the current builds is very likely to be identical to the 3.0 build. http://javatester.org/javascript.html responds to NS 3.0 with a blank Test Results window, whereas the response to the current 3.1 build is verbose. I took this to indicate JS progress. I'm sorry if the assumtion was not correct. I think it is highly likely that NetSurf 3.0 has been built without JavaScript support. [snip] The only bug here is that the Disable JavaScript choices option should not be available in builds that do not support JavaScript. In that case, the ChangeLog, which says Added early and primitive JavaScript support. (Disabled by default.) needs to be changed. Tony
