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On 28 Oct, d...@triffid.co.uk wrote: In article 82b068e552.thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk, Geoffrey Baxendale thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk wrote: In message 52e565c99ed...@triffid.co.uk Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote: [Snippy] Not seen it with Firefox. Can you look at a mini statement, or even a full statement online with NS? The mini statement doesn't do anything, never used that, but clicking on the account gives a full transaction list, which is what I use. The View latest statement also works. I can pay bills OK as well. Dave Looks like I don't expect as much as you. ;-) TTFN That's interesting... Being weekend, I have some ibanking to do, so I'll have another session with NS rather than Fx and see. Maybe LTSB have been fiddling with the site again. ;-) Dave Okay, obviously done the things I need, so haven't been through everything on the LTSB ibank pages. From the Accounts page, no mini statement, which also means NO full statement. In which case you have to open each individual account and get the statement from there. Transfers. Using NS you don't get the information, such as Money available which you do get using Fx as part of the process. Finally, granted a computer thing rather than script... But just for the fun... She using NS and a SARPC started loggin in the LTSB at the same time as I started using Fx 16.02 on the laptop. Me, logged in done a couple of transactions and logged out. She, still only partway through the login process. D. -- Dave Triffid
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In message 52e5a3f861d...@triffid.co.uk Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote: Me, logged in done a couple of transactions and logged out. She, still only partway through the login process. In fairness, I bet the laptop isn't ten years old. -- Jess
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In article c87e58e552.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: On 27 Oct 2012 Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote: In article 52e55560eerh.li...@phone.coop, Russell Hafter - Lists rh.li...@phone.coop wrote: [Snippy] The following failed: RBS + NatWest (UK) (unsupported browser), Cumberland Building Society Business Banking (UK) (Virtual keypad does not work), HSBC (France) (Returns to Login Screen), Citibank (Belgium) (Blank Screen), Postfinance (Switzerland) (JavaScript required). I imagine most others would fail too, for any number of reasons, not necessarily scripting. LloydsTSB and Halifax can be added to that list Russell. Also HSBC (UK) and ING. Thought I should try nationwide with NS as well. https://olb2.nationet.com/ on NS leads to:- Nationwide's Internet Banking requires JavaScript and cookies to be enabled. It appears that your browser does not support JavaScript, or you have disabled it. Please re-enable JavaScript or try accessing this site using a different browser. More information about our supported browsers and configuration is available here. -- Russell Hafter - Mailing Lists rh.li...@phone.coop Need a hotel? http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__bluecustomerId=416873103 (NB This link needs Firefox to work)
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In article c87e58e552.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: On 27 Oct 2012 Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote: In article 52e55560eerh.li...@phone.coop, Russell Hafter - Lists rh.li...@phone.coop wrote: [Snippy] The following failed: RBS + NatWest (UK) (unsupported browser), Cumberland Building Society Business Banking (UK) (Virtual keypad does not work), HSBC (France) (Returns to Login Screen), Citibank (Belgium) (Blank Screen), Postfinance (Switzerland) (JavaScript required). I imagine most others would fail too, for any number of reasons, not necessarily scripting. LloydsTSB and Halifax can be added to that list Russell. Also HSBC (UK) and ING. Newcastle Building Society does seem to work (mostly, anyway), though you do get a big warning that lack of JS may cause problems. The only problem I found was that logging off did not work properly. Nottingham Building Society seems to work with no issues. Neither of these offer current accounts, though, so one can assume that the systems are simpler. -- Russell Hafter - Mailing Lists rh.li...@phone.coop Need a hotel? http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__bluecustomerId=416873103 (NB This link needs Firefox to work)
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On Sun, 28 October, 2012 11:24 am, Russell Hafter - Lists wrote: In article c87e58e552.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: On 27 Oct 2012 Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote: In article 52e55560eerh.li...@phone.coop, Russell Hafter - Lists rh.li...@phone.coop wrote: [Snippy] The following failed: RBS + NatWest (UK) (unsupported browser), Cumberland Building Society Business Banking (UK) (Virtual keypad does not work), HSBC (France) (Returns to Login Screen), Citibank (Belgium) (Blank Screen), Postfinance (Switzerland) (JavaScript required). I imagine most others would fail too, for any number of reasons, not necessarily scripting. LloydsTSB and Halifax can be added to that list Russell. Also HSBC (UK) and ING. Newcastle Building Society does seem to work (mostly, anyway), though you do get a big warning that lack of JS may cause problems. The only problem I found was that logging off did not work properly. Nottingham Building Society seems to work with no issues. Neither of these offer current accounts, though, so one can assume that the systems are simpler. Iyonix 5.16, NetSurf 2.9 When I tried to do some internet banking I initially had this error :- error setting certificate verify locations The solution to which was very kindly pointed out by Martin Bazley on 25 Sep in the 'can't get to ROOL site' thread. Having sorted this, I then logged on to both the Cooperative Halifax sites. These two use scripting if the browser has it available. These sites used to complain at the lack of Javascript in NetSurf, but do so no longer. Although I didn't actually process any transactions (I've none to do ATM), I could not find any lack of functionality, though the layout was slightly different to that rendered by Firefox. I'll report back further when I've actually done some payments. -- Regards, Dave Lawton HTML emails are just a security risk, and nobody needs that.
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In message 40657.87.115.161.96.1351428330.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusne t.co.uk Dave Lawton li...@etcsystems.co.uk wrote: These sites used to complain at the lack of Javascript in NetSurf, but do so no longer. Perhaps those responsible for security have finally cottoned on to the fact that allowing scripts from an unknown third party to run on a computer (i.e. random websites) is a major security hole. -- Jess
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The following bytes were arranged on 28 Oct 2012 by Dave Lawton: Reply-To: davidpill...@freelists.org Would you mind explaining why you had this line in your email header? -- __^__ Red sky in the morning: Shepherd's warning / _ _ \ Red sky at night: Shepherd's delight ( ( |_| ) ) Mince and potatoes: Shepherd's pie \_ _/ === Martin Bazley ==
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On Sun, 28 October, 2012 1:13 pm, Martin Bazley wrote: The following bytes were arranged on 28 Oct 2012 by Dave Lawton: Reply-To: davidpill...@freelists.org Would you mind explaining why you had this line in your email header? Oh Crap, I only use one address for mailing lists, and adjust the Reply-To: to suit before replying/composing. This should make sure that it isn't necessary to change the To: field when replying. I forgot (hangs head in shame). -- Regards, Dave Lawton HTML emails are just a security risk, and nobody needs that.
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On Sun, 28 October, 2012 12:45 pm, Dave Lawton wrote: Snip Iyonix 5.16, NetSurf 2.9 When I tried to do some internet banking I initially had this error :- error setting certificate verify locations The solution to which was very kindly pointed out by Martin Bazley on 25 Sep in the 'can't get to ROOL site' thread. Having sorted this, I then logged on to both the Cooperative Halifax sites. These two use scripting if the browser has it available. These sites used to complain at the lack of Javascript in NetSurf, but do so no longer. Although I didn't actually process any transactions (I've none to do ATM), I could not find any lack of functionality, though the layout was slightly different to that rendered by Firefox. I'll report back further when I've actually done some payments. Payments completed successfully. -- Regards, Dave Lawton HTML emails are just a security risk, and nobody needs that.
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In article 62d8b9e452.jess@itworkshop.invalid, Jess Hampshire jesshampsh...@gmail.com wrote: he sort of thing I was thinking of, was a menu item over text boxes that sent the contents to an external editor, in much the same way as messenger pro used to. (it would also be nice to have options for what the editor sees it as.) Pluto uses a Ctrl-Shift-E which throws the current text to an external editor. This works very well. IMO better than a menu entry. But isn't this pretty well exclusive to Risc OS? -- Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more!
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In message 52e512dff0d...@triffid.co.uk Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote: FWIW. I still use NetSurf on RO for a few bits and bobs, but recently the final nails started to fall when LTSB reworked their online banking site a short while back and it became impossible (due to lack of scripting) to do much there other than view the site. What doesn't it do? I've not noticed anything stop working. (I refuse to do anything financial, where scripting is involved.) -- Jess
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In article 60d73fe552.jess@itworkshop.invalid, Jess Hampshire jesshampsh...@gmail.com wrote: In message 52e512dff0d...@triffid.co.uk Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote: FWIW. I still use NetSurf on RO for a few bits and bobs, but recently the final nails started to fall when LTSB reworked their online banking site a short while back and it became impossible (due to lack of scripting) to do much there other than view the site. What doesn't it do? I've not noticed anything stop working. (I refuse to do anything financial, where scripting is involved.) Which bank(s) in Europe do you know that do not use any kind of scripting and can be guaranteed not to, ever? Of the half dozen or so of my accounts that I have tried to login to using Netsurf I have (so far) found two where I can at least access the account, though I did not try to carry out a transaction. In the UK, Cahoot, in Germany, VR-Bank etc. The following failed: RBS + NatWest (UK) (unsupported browser), Cumberland Building Society Business Banking (UK) (Virtual keypad does not work), HSBC (France) (Returns to Login Screen), Citibank (Belgium) (Blank Screen), Postfinance (Switzerland) (JavaScript required). I imagine most others would fail too, for any number of reasons, not necessarily scripting. -- Russell Hafter - Mailing Lists rh.li...@phone.coop Need a hotel? http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__bluecustomerId=416873103 (NB This link needs Firefox to work)
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In article 52e55560eerh.li...@phone.coop, Russell Hafter - Lists rh.li...@phone.coop wrote: [Snippy] The following failed: RBS + NatWest (UK) (unsupported browser), Cumberland Building Society Business Banking (UK) (Virtual keypad does not work), HSBC (France) (Returns to Login Screen), Citibank (Belgium) (Blank Screen), Postfinance (Switzerland) (JavaScript required). I imagine most others would fail too, for any number of reasons, not necessarily scripting. LloydsTSB and Halifax can be added to that list Russell. A short while back we could still do some stuff on the LTSB, but since they re-worked it we can't even view our online statements. Dave -- Dave Triffid
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In message 52e55560eerh.li...@phone.coop Russell Hafter - Lists rh.li...@phone.coop wrote: I've not noticed anything stop working. (I refuse to do anything financial, where scripting is involved.) Which bank(s) in Europe do you know that do not use any kind of scripting and can be guaranteed not to, ever? I have not found Lloyd's blocking me from doing anything I have wanted online. If they did, then I would stop using the online service and go into the branch, or perhaps use the phone service. I was more referring to purchases. If I can't buy it with scripts disabled, I'll try the phone (providing it's a geographic or freephone). Failing that, I'll try a competitor. If it annoys me enough I'll complain to the site. Sometimes that yields a result. -- Jess
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In message 52e512dff0d...@triffid.co.uk Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote: In article d0f8e5e452.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: [Snippy] That said I sometimes use Edit to compose the text in case there's a problem with the web site and it gets lost. Also it gives me the option of trying another browser. -- Richard Porter Yes my wife who uses NetSurf a lot does that, compose in Edit, then copies to the text area. Can't be bothered myself, so I use Fx (16.02 ATM) and if it fails, an addon called Lazarus returns the writing to me. FWIW. I still use NetSurf on RO for a few bits and bobs, but recently the final nails started to fall when LTSB reworked their online banking site a short while back and it became impossible (due to lack of scripting) to do much there other than view the site. It is working as normal here. Just checked my accounts and made a transfer. (NS #529 RO 6.3) Must be something funny at your end Dave. Shame, but practicalities rule. D. TTFN -- Geoff. Baxendale, Darwen, Lancashire. Using Acorn StrongARM Kinetic RiscPC. Oxymoron of the day: Tight Slacks
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On 27 Oct 2012 Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote: In article 52e55560eerh.li...@phone.coop, Russell Hafter - Lists rh.li...@phone.coop wrote: [Snippy] The following failed: RBS + NatWest (UK) (unsupported browser), Cumberland Building Society Business Banking (UK) (Virtual keypad does not work), HSBC (France) (Returns to Login Screen), Citibank (Belgium) (Blank Screen), Postfinance (Switzerland) (JavaScript required). I imagine most others would fail too, for any number of reasons, not necessarily scripting. LloydsTSB and Halifax can be added to that list Russell. Also HSBC (UK) and ING. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Ta \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
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In article 88595ae552.thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk, Geoffrey Baxendale thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk wrote: [Snippy] It is working as normal here. Just checked my accounts and made a transfer. (NS #529 RO 6.3) Must be something funny at your end Dave. I didn't say everything... Yes you can still do a transfer, but you don't get the info onscreen about the transfer in the detail you get with Fx. Can you look at a mini statement, or even a full statement online with NS? Dave -- Dave Triffid
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In article be1eb1e452.jess@itworkshop.invalid, Jess Hampshire jesshampsh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Would it be possible to have an option to use the system editor to edit text boxes? (Also it would be nice to have a system to set the mode.) It would be nice to be able to use StrongEd's mail mode on gmail, for example. Thanks I frequently use StrongED to edit text: then mark it and drag and drop into Netsurf. Not sure how anyhting in Netsurf could make this simpler? -- Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more!
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In message 52e4b8a23cli...@torrens.org.uk Richard Torrens (lists) li...@torrens.org.uk wrote: I frequently use StrongED to edit text: then mark it and drag and drop into Netsurf. So do I. Not sure how anyhting in Netsurf could make this simpler? Where it is no use is when a text box appears ready filled. The sort of thing I was thinking of, was a menu item over text boxes that sent the contents to an external editor, in much the same way as messenger pro used to. (it would also be nice to have options for what the editor sees it as.) -- Jess
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On 26 Oct 2012 Jess Hampshire wrote: In message 52e4b8a23cli...@torrens.org.uk Richard Torrens (lists) li...@torrens.org.uk wrote: I frequently use StrongED to edit text: then mark it and drag and drop into Netsurf. So do I. Not sure how anyhting in Netsurf could make this simpler? Where it is no use is when a text box appears ready filled. The sort of thing I was thinking of, was a menu item over text boxes that sent the contents to an external editor, in much the same way as messenger pro used to. (it would also be nice to have options for what the editor sees it as.) Yes, there are long-standing problems with editing in a textarea, especially if you try to cut and paste text. The cursor sits on the line below where the text would go, which is most confusing if you're not prepared for it. There is also a nasty gotcha where if you drag a text file into the textarea NS just opens the file in the main window thereby losing the form that you were completing. I have raised bug reports in the dim and distant past but I guess there hasn't been anyone available to work on this area. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
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In message e5e2bae452.r...@user.minijem.plus.com Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: Yes, there are long-standing problems with editing in a textarea, especially if you try to cut and paste text. The cursor sits on the line below where the text would go, which is most confusing if you're not prepared for it. There is also a nasty gotcha where if you drag a text file into the textarea NS just opens the file in the main window thereby losing the form that you were completing. It seems a bit of a waste of effort to make the editor really polished, when system editors already offer the required functionality. -- Jess
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On 26 Oct 2012 Jess Hampshire wrote: In message e5e2bae452.r...@user.minijem.plus.com Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: Yes, there are long-standing problems with editing in a textarea, especially if you try to cut and paste text. The cursor sits on the line below where the text would go, which is most confusing if you're not prepared for it. There is also a nasty gotcha where if you drag a text file into the textarea NS just opens the file in the main window thereby losing the form that you were completing. It seems a bit of a waste of effort to make the editor really polished, when system editors already offer the required functionality. Yes...but. It seems a bit clumsy to have to use another application to edit the contents of a textarea, especially if you have to copy the existing text into the editor to start with. There would need to be a quick means of doing it. That said I sometimes use Edit to compose the text in case there's a problem with the web site and it gets lost. Also it gives me the option of trying another browser. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a user experience - I just want stuff that works.
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In article d0f8e5e452.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: [Snippy] That said I sometimes use Edit to compose the text in case there's a problem with the web site and it gets lost. Also it gives me the option of trying another browser. -- Richard Porter Yes my wife who uses NetSurf a lot does that, compose in Edit, then copies to the text area. Can't be bothered myself, so I use Fx (16.02 ATM) and if it fails, an addon called Lazarus returns the writing to me. FWIW. I still use NetSurf on RO for a few bits and bobs, but recently the final nails started to fall when LTSB reworked their online banking site a short while back and it became impossible (due to lack of scripting) to do much there other than view the site. Shame, but practicalities rule. D. -- Dave Triffid
