Re: Text overlap
On 13 Jan 2009 Torrens (lists) li...@torrens.org.uk wrote: http://www.tpub.com/content/neets/14177/css/14177_35.htm has bad text overlap problems. Not here with RISC OS 5.13 and NetSurf r6029. Looks OK to me. It's a pigs-ear of an html, using lots of text position information in the css! I suspect if NS can work that it can work miracles! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / ____ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk.
Re: Text overlap
In article 501ce66c00li...@torrens.org.uk, Torrens (lists) li...@torrens.org.uk wrote: http://www.tpub.com/content/neets/14177/css/14177_35.htm has bad text overlap problems. It's a pigs-ear of an html, using lots of text position information in the css! I suspect if NS can work that it can work miracles! I have similar problems with my TalkTalk bill which all comes out on one line. see:- http://www.bparkfc.plus.com/allen/talktalkbill.html -- Barry A.
Re: Text overlap
In article 501ceafb6eba...@e-allen.me.uk, Barry E Allen ba...@e-allen.me.uk wrote: I have similar problems with my TalkTalk bill which all comes out on one line. see:- http://www.bparkfc.plus.com/allen/talktalkbill.html That looks like it's suffering from the same problem as a friend of mine's website at www.colinandrews.net which is completely unreadable with NetSurf - and I have complained to him about it. Unfortunately he knows nothing about HTML so I think he uses some kind of site creator to do it in - which means that I expect lots of other people will be creating sites which give the same problem when viewed with NetSurf. -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ There are two words in the English language that have all five vowels in order: abstemious andfacetious.
Re: Text overlap
In article 50a9e71c50.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Dr Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: http://www.tpub.com/content/neets/14177/css/14177_35.htm has bad text overlap problems. Not here with RISC OS 5.13 and NetSurf r6029. Looks OK to me. Nor here with RO 6.14 and r6035. -- David Wild using RISC OS on broadband www.davidhwild.me.uk
Re: Text overlap
In article 501ceafb6eba...@e-allen.me.uk, Barry E Allen ba...@e-allen.me.uk wrote: In article 501ce66c00li...@torrens.org.uk, Torrens (lists) li...@torrens.org.uk wrote: http://www.tpub.com/content/neets/14177/css/14177_35.htm has bad text overlap problems. It's a pigs-ear of an html, using lots of text position information in the css! I suspect if NS can work that it can work miracles! I have similar problems with my TalkTalk bill which all comes out on one line. see:- http://www.bparkfc.plus.com/allen/talktalkbill.html Both pages are specifying text positions. But surely Talktalk pay no heed to standards? How many errors do their pages return from the w3c validator? I recently joined Zen - because they are much recommended. However their pages do not validate and cannot be used on RISC OS. When I pointed this out to them their attitide was that Microsoft returned 300 odd errors, so the validation was useless. Their service is too expensive for support that cannot be used! I looked around a bit. Plus.net's pages validate with very few errors. I am in process of swapping to them - I have yet to find anything on Plus.net that doesn't work properly with Netsurf! Support is via the www site - but it works, and does get actioned. RISC OS users would save themselves trouble by using ISPs that took notice of standards! -- Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more!
Re: Text overlap
In article 20090113095326.589eb...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net, Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: If people can deconstruct the HTML and make a minimal test case, that'll help us towards that. Well, from a quick look at my friends page, removing the following couple of lines makes the top half of the page render correctly div id=root style=position:absolute;width:1200px;height:3200px; !--$end exclude$-- div id=e0 style=position:absolute;left:356;top:1777;width:531;height:267; (starting at line 26 in the source code to the link I posted earlier). -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Stewardesses is the longest word typed with only the left hand. With your right, lollipop.
Re: Text overlap
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:42:15 + (GMT) Paul Vigay lists-nos...@vigay.com wrote: In article 501ceafb6eba...@e-allen.me.uk, Barry E Allen ba...@e-allen.me.uk wrote: I have similar problems with my TalkTalk bill which all comes out on one line. see:- http://www.bparkfc.plus.com/allen/talktalkbill.html That looks like it's suffering from the same problem as a friend of mine's website at www.colinandrews.net which is completely unreadable with NetSurf - and I have complained to him about it. Unfortunately he knows nothing about HTML so I think he uses some kind of site creator to do it in - which means that I expect lots of other people will be creating sites which give the same problem when viewed with NetSurf. If this is the case, the solution is to make NetSurf render the tool's output, not for you to complain at him about it. If people can deconstruct the HTML and make a minimal test case, that'll help us towards that.
Re: Text overlap
In article 20090113095326.589eb...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net, Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: If this is the case, the solution is to make NetSurf render the tool's output, not for you to complain at him about it. If people can deconstruct the HTML and make a minimal test case, that'll help us towards that. www.torrens.org.uk/NetSurf/0001.html one minimal page that shows the problem. As it seems to be settings dependant, the same directory holds a copy of my !Boot.Choices.Users.Single.WWW.NetSurf.Choices and a screen shot of the Netsurf window as it renders. Hope this helps. Keep up the good work! -- Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more!
Re: Text overlap
In article 20090113095326.589eb...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net, Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:42:15 + (GMT) Paul Vigay lists-nos...@vigay.com wrote: In article 501ceafb6eba...@e-allen.me.uk, Barry E Allen ba...@e-allen.me.uk wrote: [Snip] http://www.bparkfc.plus.com/allen/talktalkbill.html That looks like it's suffering from the same problem as a friend of mine's website at www.colinandrews.net which is completely unreadable with NetSurf - and I have complained to him about it. Unfortunately he knows nothing about HTML so I think he uses some kind of site creator to do it in - which means that I expect lots of other people will be creating sites which give the same problem when viewed with NetSurf. If this is the case, the solution is to make NetSurf render the tool's output, not for you to complain at him about it. If people can deconstruct the HTML and make a minimal test case, that'll help us towards that. Dare I say that I passed the phone bill though a CSS validator which came up with many You must put an unit after your number (two for each positioning element 'top' and 'left'in each page). But I know I'll be told Validators are crap and a waste of time, irrelevant, and should all be expunged so I'll shut up soon. Putting 'px' after each occurrence should render the page correctly. And does. Should (does) NS assume pixels, points or parsecs when no units are present? -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
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In article 501cf6213eli...@torrens.org.uk, Torrens (lists) li...@torrens.org.uk wrote: www.torrens.org.uk/NetSurf/0001.html one minimal page that shows the problem. As it seems to be settings dependant, the same directory holds a copy of my !Boot.Choices.Users.Single.WWW.NetSurf.Choices and a screen shot of the Netsurf window as it renders. Well, just to confuse the issue (especially in view of Peter's comment!) that page works fine from here, using an Iyonix ROS 5.13 and the latest version of NetSurf (build r6035) -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
Re: Text overlap
Torrens (lists) wrote on 13 Jan: www.torrens.org.uk/NetSurf/0001.html one minimal page that shows the problem. As it seems to be settings dependant, the same directory holds a copy of my !Boot.Choices.Users.Single.WWW.NetSurf.Choices and a screen shot of the Netsurf window as it renders. the page displayed fine here (Netsurf build r5991). then i compared Choices: font_size: mine 140 yours 160 default 128 font_min_size: mine 100 yours 120 default 85 i increased mine to match yours, and got the same problem as you. perhaps you could decrease the fontsize you specify and instead use scale view (F11, and possibly save as default). -- no need to reply my entire message back to me ;=] Jim Nagelwww.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd(01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:57:18 + (GMT) Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote: Dare I say that I passed the phone bill though a CSS validator which came up with many You must put an unit after your number (two for each positioning element 'top' and 'left'in each page). But I know I'll be told Validators are crap and a waste of time, irrelevant, and should all be expunged so I'll shut up soon. No, but they should be completely ignored from the point of view of if it is acceptable for a web browser to incorrectly render them. (Opera recently did a survey that showed that less than 0.5% of websites have valid HTML; they don't have numbers for CSS. Only being able to render 0.5% of the web is not useful, and even then NetSurf will have bugs that means the correct ones won't render properly anyway. So yes, from the point of view of web browser development, the less they are mentioned the better.) Putting 'px' after each occurrence should render the page correctly. And does. Should (does) NS assume pixels, points or parsecs when no units are present? There was some recent work to do this, but I don't recall off hand if it was towards our new CSS parser, or a patch to the old one (which we are currently still using, as the new parser is not ready yet.)
Re: Text overlap
In article 501cf901f1lists-nos...@vigay.com, Paul Vigay lists-nos...@vigay.com wrote: In article 501cf68db3...@timil.com, Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote: Should (does) NS assume pixels, points or parsecs when no units are present? Looking at various rogue sites (or rather sites which NetSurf won't render) it looks like the browser should assume that any values without a unit are pixels (px) - but I reserve the right to be wrong. I don't have my reference books on CSS to hand at the moment. The minimal page I supplied already says px. Interestingly, putting spaces before each 'px' totally screws it up www.torrens.org.uk/NetSurf/0001.htmloriginal www.torrens.org.uk/NetSurf/0002.html' px' -- Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more!
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In article 26ccfa1c50@jim.nagel.ukonline.co.uk, Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: Torrens (lists) wrote on 13 Jan: www.torrens.org.uk/NetSurf/0001.html one minimal page that shows the problem. As it seems to be settings dependant, the same directory holds a copy of my !Boot.Choices.Users.Single.WWW.NetSurf.Choices and a screen shot of the Netsurf window as it renders. the page displayed fine here (Netsurf build r5991). then i compared Choices: font_size: mine 140 yours 160 default 128 font_min_size: mine 100 yours 120 default 85 i increased mine to match yours, and got the same problem as you. perhaps you could decrease the fontsize you specify and instead use scale view (F11, and possibly save as default). You got it! Choices - Fonts - Default - reload and the page is OK. Looks like we have located a bug? If the team want this reported as a bug, can someone please do so. My life's too short to use the bugtracker. -- Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more!
Re: Text overlap
In article 501cf6213eli...@torrens.org.uk, Torrens (lists) li...@torrens.org.uk wrote: one minimal page that shows the problem. As it seems to be settings dependant, the same directory holds a copy of my !Boot.Choices.Users.Single.WWW.NetSurf.Choices and a screen shot of the Netsurf window as it renders. Thank you for the test case. Now we know what the problem is. (CSS white-space support isn't really implemented.) Cheers, Michael -- Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
Text overlap
http://www.tpub.com/content/neets/14177/css/14177_35.htm has bad text overlap problems. It's a pigs-ear of an html, using lots of text position information in the css! I suspect if NS can work that it can work miracles! -- Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more!
