Re: aggravating pane
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:33:30AM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote: Steve Fryatt wrote on 28 Mar: FWIW this is now fixed (or at least worked around using a permanent horizontal scrollbar) for all RO treeview windows; hopefully I'll return to look at doing it properly after 2.7 is out. great stuff, thanks. JOOC why is it called a treeview window? what's the programming or design concept here? Because it allows you to view a tree structure. B.
Re: aggravating pane
On 18 Mar, Jim Nagel wrote: there appears to be no way to scroll right to read the rest of the text in the inner pane of this warning generated by Netsurf: www.abbeypress.net/TEMP/NS-certificatepane.png (12K). Steve Fryatt wrote on 28 Mar: FWIW this is now fixed (or at least worked around using a permanent horizontal scrollbar) for all RO treeview windows; hopefully I'll return to look at doing it properly after 2.7 is out. Jim Nagel wrote: JOOC why is it called a treeview window? what's the programming or design concept here? Rob Kendrick wrote on 29 Mar: Because it allows you to view a tree structure. OK, i see that for (say) the Hotlist window, which has the tree structure where you can click the + to expand a branch into twigs. but i don't grasp what puts the certificate display, about which i originally aksed in this thread, into the treeview category. after all, it displays only one item. the Hotlist, i note, can be dragged wider, though it has no horizontal scrollbar. anyway, i'm not saying this is a big deal or worth any programmer's valuable time. the Certificate window hardly ever comes up, in my experience, so can live with the aggravating fixed-size pane (like a Windows license pane that nobody can be pained to read). -- Jim Nagelwww.archivemag.co.uk
Re: aggravating pane
On Tue, March 29, 2011 12:14 pm, Jim Nagel wrote: Rob Kendrick wrote on 29 Mar: Because it allows you to view a tree structure. OK, i see that for (say) the Hotlist window, which has the tree structure where you can click the + to expand a branch into twigs. but i don't grasp what puts the certificate display, about which i originally aksed in this thread, into the treeview category. after all, it displays only one item. It's just a programming term: the hotlist, global history, cookies and certificate display all happen to use a display widget (supplied by NetSurf) known as the treeview to put their content into the window. Incidentally, it was this that caused the RISC OS support kerfuffle last year: the treeview widget and the code that used it originally resided in our frontend (so the others didn't get a look in). When it was moved into the core so that it could be shared around the other platforms, the RISC OS code needed some surgery to handle the loss. It was this surgery that didn't take account of the horizontal scroll bar properly. the Hotlist, i note, can be dragged wider, though it has no horizontal scrollbar. It does now: that was the point of the most recent fix, because the problem that affected certificates could also affect the other tree windows in more extreme cases (if the text line was wider than your monitor). -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England Wakefield Acorn RISC OS Show Saturday 16 April 2011 http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/
Re: aggravating pane
On 29 Mar 2011 Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: Steve Fryatt wrote on 29 Mar: the Hotlist, i note, can be dragged wider, though it has no horizontal scrollbar. It does now: that was the point of the most recent fix, because the problem that affected certificates could also affect the other tree windows in more extreme cases (if the text line was wider than your monitor). has horiz-scrollbar been added to Hotlist since r12139 (March 26) which i'm using at the moment? Hotlist here does not have one and doesn't need one, since window-resize button at bottom right does the drag-wide job. (but then Hotlist isn't afflicted with the fixed-size pane that causes the pain.) That scroll-bar appears here in r12142 (28 March). With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: aggravating pane
On 20 Mar, Steve Fryatt wrote in message mpro.lid0vi07nzp6o01ji.li...@stevefryatt.org.uk: On 18 Mar, Jim Nagel wrote in message 286dfbb551@nails.abbeypress.net: there appears to be no way to scroll right to read the rest of the text in the inner pane of this warning generated by Netsurf: www.abbeypress.net/TEMP/NS-certificatepane.png (12K). No: it seems that the need for horizontal scrollbars on treeview windows was overlooked when I updated the RISC OS frontend to work with the core treeview. FWIW this is now fixed (or at least worked around using a permanent horizontal scrollbar) for all RO treeview windows; hopefully I'll return to look at doing it properly after 2.7 is out. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England Wakefield Acorn RISC OS Show Saturday 16 April 2011 http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/
Re: aggravating pane
Steve Fryatt wrote on 28 Mar: FWIW this is now fixed (or at least worked around using a permanent horizontal scrollbar) for all RO treeview windows; hopefully I'll return to look at doing it properly after 2.7 is out. great stuff, thanks. JOOC why is it called a treeview window? what's the programming or design concept here? -- Jim Nagelwww.archivemag.co.uk
OT (was:Re: Sloppy writing generates false positive spam warnings (was Re: aggravating pane))
In article ae0f2bb751.zen44...@zen.co.uk, Simon Smith simon_sm...@zen.co.uk wrote: On 18 Mar, Jim Nagel wrote in message 286dfbb551@nails.abbeypress.net: there appears to be no way to scroll right to read the rest of the text in the inner pane of this warning generated by Netsurf: www.abbeypress.net/TEMP/NS-certificatepane.png (12K). Those two very vague subjects of 'aggravating pane' and 'mobile Facebook' (sic) combined with the mostly lower-case, unpunctuated body text both looked so much like maillist spam to me that I nearly consigned the original poster to spam-filter oblivion without looking any closer. You need to write more properer than that, Jim; it's a bad idea to write so sloppily you generate false positives on people's spam filters. I'm not even talking about a computer-controlled filter here - this time you almost fooled the human. And if I'd actually bothered to set up a computer-moderated filter with the criteria I was mentally applying, you certainly would have been caught by it. This is a good example of stifling creativity or at least a personal style. One could criticise you for your subjective assessment of perfectly good subject lines, sentence length, use of words such as 'properer' and 'maillist', mis-use of a semi-colon, starting a sentence with 'And', the use of contractions in written English, and a split infinitive. Pot. Kettle. i am sure jim may ignore the shift key and punctuation for a good reason no meaning is lost Perhaps you should use an ISP who uses proper spam eradication techniques instead of a sledgehammer approach based on what you think prose should look like. While you ponder that, please also reply elsewhere as your post had nothing to do with the brilliant NetSurf.
Sloppy writing generates false positive spam warnings (was Re: aggravating pane)
On 18 Mar, Jim Nagel wrote in message 286dfbb551@nails.abbeypress.net: there appears to be no way to scroll right to read the rest of the text in the inner pane of this warning generated by Netsurf: www.abbeypress.net/TEMP/NS-certificatepane.png (12K). Those two very vague subjects of 'aggravating pane' and 'mobile Facebook' (sic) combined with the mostly lower-case, unpunctuated body text both looked so much like maillist spam to me that I nearly consigned the original poster to spam-filter oblivion without looking any closer. You need to write more properer than that, Jim; it's a bad idea to write so sloppily you generate false positives on people's spam filters. I'm not even talking about a computer-controlled filter here - this time you almost fooled the human. And if I'd actually bothered to set up a computer-moderated filter with the criteria I was mentally applying, you certainly would have been caught by it. -- Simon Smith | Once more unto now | Is the winter to be or | 'Tis the east (Exit.) | -Wm. Shakespeare, abridged
aggravating pane
there appears to be no way to scroll right to read the rest of the text in the inner pane of this warning generated by Netsurf: www.abbeypress.net/TEMP/NS-certificatepane.png (12K). may i suggest that it were a Good Thing to eschew this style of utterly annoyingly painful panes so beloved in Microsoftland, where people are so often required to agree license terms that they are deemed to have read (but probably never do) in one of these utterly aggravating little scrolling panes. yes, it's a pet peeve. -- Jim Nagelwww.archivemag.co.uk
