Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread Tony Moore
On 23 May 2011, "Dave Lawton"  wrote:
> On Mon, 23 May, 2011 5:29 pm, Tony Moore wrote:

[snip]

> > Oddly enouogh, the problem has now gone away

[snip]

> With this sort of issue it's worth checking using
>
> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/netsurf-browser.org

Thanks. I'll bear it in mind, for the next time.

Tony






Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread Dave Lawton

On Mon, 23 May, 2011 5:29 pm, Tony Moore wrote:
> On 23 May 2011, Jim Nagel  wrote:
>> Tony Moore  wrote on 23 May:
>>
Snip
> Oddly enouogh, the problem has now gone away, not, I think, because of
> the NetSurf upgrade, because previously wget was affected but that,
> too,
> now downloads as expected.
>
> One of life's great mysteries...
>
> Thanks for the responses.
>
> Tony

With this sort of issue it's worth checking using

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/netsurf-browser.org

-- 
Regards from Dave Lawton
HTML emails are just a security risk, and nobody needs that.





Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread Tony Moore
On 23 May 2011, Jim Nagel  wrote:
> Tony Moore  wrote on 23 May:
>
> > At the moment, here, the problem is repeatable, when using NetSurf
> > on RO4.39 or RO6.20. ...
>
> which version of Netsurf?

RO4.39 r12147 and RO6.20 r12243, but I've now upgraded both machines to
r12436 (downloaded via Firefox).

Oddly enouogh, the problem has now gone away, not, I think, because of
the NetSurf upgrade, because previously wget was affected but that, too,
now downloads as expected.

One of life's great mysteries...

Thanks for the responses.

Tony






Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread dave higton
Quoting Tony Moore :

> On 23 May 2011, cj  wrote:
> > In article <177ee0d751.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
> >Tony Moore  wrote:
> >
> > > Using NetSurf, the website times-out (but the rest of the net seems
> > > to work normally). wget also fails
> >
> > >wget: unable to resolve host address `www.netsurf-browser.org'
> >
> > > Does anyone else see a problem?
> >
> > I have had some failures to resolve host address with Netsurf
> > recently. I am not sure whether it is Netsurf specific, but the
> > failures cease when Netsurf is restarted. Since the urls are
> > different, it is difficult to make a repeatable test case.
> 
> At the moment, here, the problem is repeatable, when using NetSurf on
> RO4.39 or RO6.20. It apparently affects only www.netsurf-browser.org ,
> and remains the same after re-starting NetSurf. However since wget is
> also affected, it seems that NetSurf may not be the culprit.

Check your resolver settings.  The RO machines may be using different
ones from the PC.

Dave





Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread Jim Nagel
Tony Moore  wrote on 23 May:
> At the moment, here, the problem is repeatable, when using NetSurf on
> RO4.39 or RO6.20. ...

which version of Netsurf?


-- 
Jim Nagelwww.archivemag.co.uk



Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread Brian Howlett
On 23 May, Kevin Wells wrote:
> In message <177ee0d751.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk> Tony Moore
>  wrote:

[snip]

>> Still not ok, here.
>> 
>> Using NetSurf, the website times-out (but the rest of the net seems to
>> work normally). wget also fails
>> 
>>   wget: unable to resolve host address `www.netsurf-browser.org'
>> 
>> Does anyone else see a problem?

> I don't, must be a problem at your end.

I've just used wget to download r12436 with no problems - Iyonix using 
RO 5.16.
-- 
Brian Howlett

"I'm Brian, and so's my wife..."



Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread Tony Moore
On 23 May 2011, cj  wrote:
> In article <177ee0d751.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
>Tony Moore  wrote:
>
> > Using NetSurf, the website times-out (but the rest of the net seems
> > to work normally). wget also fails
>
> >wget: unable to resolve host address `www.netsurf-browser.org'
>
> > Does anyone else see a problem?
>
> I have had some failures to resolve host address with Netsurf
> recently. I am not sure whether it is Netsurf specific, but the
> failures cease when Netsurf is restarted. Since the urls are
> different, it is difficult to make a repeatable test case.

At the moment, here, the problem is repeatable, when using NetSurf on
RO4.39 or RO6.20. It apparently affects only www.netsurf-browser.org ,
and remains the same after re-starting NetSurf. However since wget is
also affected, it seems that NetSurf may not be the culprit.

Tony






Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread Kevin Wells
In message <177ee0d751.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
  Tony Moore  wrote:

>On 23 May 2011, Rob Kendrick  wrote:
>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:27:29AM +, Tony Moore wrote:
>> > On 23 May 2011, george  wrote:
>> >
>> > [snip]
>> >
>> > > I'm also on r12436 and it seems to work very well.
>> >
>> > Currently http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/ seems to be
>> > offline.
>>
>> Works for me.
>
>Still not ok, here.
>
>Using NetSurf, the website times-out (but the rest of the net seems to
>work normally). wget also fails
>
>   wget: unable to resolve host address `www.netsurf-browser.org'
>
>Does anyone else see a problem?

I don't, must be a problem at your end.
>
>Tony
>
>
>
>


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Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread Tony Moore
On 23 May 2011, Rob Kendrick  wrote:
> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 12:14:07PM +, Tony Moore wrote:

[snip]

> > Using NetSurf, the website times-out (but the rest of the net seems
> > to work normally). wget also fails
> >
> >wget: unable to resolve host address `www.netsurf-browser.org'
>
> Squish's DNSCheck suggests nothing at our end is at fault.  (It can
> resolve the CNAME and the A record it points to using all available
> paths through root servers and name servers at Pepperfish.)  This
> suggests a local configuration or connectivity ISP issue at your end.

Nothing would surprise me, but something bizarre seems to be happening
here! On a Windows machine, Firefox 4 immediately connects to
http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/development/netsurf.zip and
downloads the file, without problem. To me, this suggests that there is
no issue with the connection, or DNS.

However, using RPCemu, RO 4.39, running on the same Windows machine,
launching the download link, in NetSurf, leads to

   Could not resolve host: www.netsurf-browser.org (Timeout while
   contacting DNS servers)

and

   *ping www.netsurf-browser.org
   ping: unknown host www.netsurf-browser.org

Using the RiscPC, RO 6.20, produces exactly the same results as RPCemu.

Running on either RPCemu, or the RiscPC, NetSurf connects to other
websites, eg BBC, The Register, The Guardian, etc, without problem.
Moreover, all three machines are connected to the same LinkSys router,
so that their settings are the same.

How can www.netsurf-browser.org be hiding from RISC OS machines?

Tony





Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread cj
In article <177ee0d751.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
   Tony Moore  wrote:
> Using NetSurf, the website times-out (but the rest of the net seems to
> work normally). wget also fails

>wget: unable to resolve host address `www.netsurf-browser.org'

> Does anyone else see a problem?

I have had some failures to resolve host address with Netsurf
recently. I am not sure whether it is Netsurf specific, but the
failures cease when Netsurf is restarted. Since the urls are
different, it is difficult to make a repeatable test case.

-- 
Chris Johnson



Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread Rob Kendrick
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 12:14:07PM +, Tony Moore wrote:
> On 23 May 2011, Rob Kendrick  wrote:
> > On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:27:29AM +, Tony Moore wrote:
> > > On 23 May 2011, george  wrote:
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > > I'm also on r12436 and it seems to work very well.
> > >
> > > Currently http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/ seems to be
> > > offline.
> >
> > Works for me.
> 
> Still not ok, here.
> 
> Using NetSurf, the website times-out (but the rest of the net seems to
> work normally). wget also fails
> 
>wget: unable to resolve host address `www.netsurf-browser.org'

Squish's DNSCheck suggests nothing at our end is at fault.  (It can
resolve the CNAME and the A record it points to using all available
paths through root servers and name servers at Pepperfish.)  This
suggests a local configuration or connectivity ISP issue at your end.

B.



Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread Tony Moore
On 23 May 2011, Rob Kendrick  wrote:
> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:27:29AM +, Tony Moore wrote:
> > On 23 May 2011, george  wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > I'm also on r12436 and it seems to work very well.
> >
> > Currently http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/ seems to be
> > offline.
>
> Works for me.

Still not ok, here.

Using NetSurf, the website times-out (but the rest of the net seems to
work normally). wget also fails

   wget: unable to resolve host address `www.netsurf-browser.org'

Does anyone else see a problem?

Tony






Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread Jim Nagel
Mike Hobbs  wrote on 23 May:
> Whatever was causing this appears to be fixed in r12436.
> Well done and thank you!
> I was inspired to check out the latest build when I saw
> Jim Nagel's post "login problem with Netsurf 2.7".

i'm glad i posted it then!  i had wondered, when nobody responded, if 
i was just being tiresome.

still wonder what might have been the technical glitch that blocked 
login.  in my case the box asking for username and password kept 
coming back even though i supplied them repeatedly.

-- 
Jim Nagelwww.archivemag.co.uk



Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread Rob Kendrick
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:27:29AM +, Tony Moore wrote:
> On 23 May 2011, george  wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > I'm also on r12436 and it seems to work very well.
> 
> Currently http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/ seems to be offline.

Works for me.

B.



Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread Tony Moore
On 23 May 2011, george  wrote:

[snip]

> I'm also on r12436 and it seems to work very well.

Currently http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/ seems to be offline.

Tony







Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread george
In message 
  Mike Hobbs  wrote:

>> On Thu, May 19, 2011 9:41 am, Mike Hobbs wrote:
> [snip long description of login difficulties]
> 
> 
> Whatever was causing this appears to be fixed in r12436.

I'm also on r12436 and it seems to work very well.

> Well done and thank you!
[snip]

Seconded!

George
-- 



Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-23 Thread Mike Hobbs
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 9:41 am, Mike Hobbs wrote:
[snip long description of login difficulties]


Whatever was causing this appears to be fixed in r12436.
Well done and thank you!

I was inspired to check out the latest build when I saw
Jim Nagel's post "login problem with Netsurf 2.7".

Mike



Re: cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-19 Thread Dave Lawton

On Thu, May 19, 2011 9:41 am, Mike Hobbs wrote:
> In recent NS builds (past several months) I've noticed a
> change in behaviour when logging in to our company bug
> tracking system. At one time I could go through the
> Login page and from then on I would be able to access
> the whole bug tracking database through its web UI.
> At some point that changed so that now,
>  a) if I go through the normal Login process it fails
> to accept my credentials;
>  b) I have found that by going through an alternative URL
> that throws up the Login page it results in success;
>  c) even though I've logged in, when I open a new NS
> window by clicking on a link that should open a
> bug report (e.g. http://jira/browse/XXX-nnn), it
> tells me I'm not logged in;
>  d) if I enter the same URL as in c) above into the
> window that was opened as per b) above, then it
> displays the page without any trouble.
>
> On the face of it, this looks like the cookie-stored
> login status is associated only with the window that
> was used for successful login.  Is this expected?
> Do other people see similar behaviour? Should I file
> a bug report?
>
> I'm currently using the 2.7 release on VRPC-SA but this
> affects earlier releases and development builds.

I'm seeing something similar (on 2.7), in that when I'm logged in to
my Orpheus webmail, if the session times out, then I can't login
again, I'm just taken back to the login page, with the message 'Your
session has timed out'.
Deleting the cookies (is the 'Are you sure' second delete an accident,
or intentional ?), and closing the window is not enough to restore
access, only quitting NetSurf completely will restore access.

Should I file a bug report ?  :)
-- 
Regards from Dave Lawton
HTML emails are just a security risk, and nobody needs that.




cookie association with specific windows?

2011-05-19 Thread Mike Hobbs
In recent NS builds (past several months) I've noticed a
change in behaviour when logging in to our company bug
tracking system. At one time I could go through the
Login page and from then on I would be able to access
the whole bug tracking database through its web UI.
At some point that changed so that now,
 a) if I go through the normal Login process it fails
to accept my credentials;
 b) I have found that by going through an alternative URL
that throws up the Login page it results in success;
 c) even though I've logged in, when I open a new NS
window by clicking on a link that should open a
bug report (e.g. http://jira/browse/XXX-nnn), it
tells me I'm not logged in;
 d) if I enter the same URL as in c) above into the
window that was opened as per b) above, then it
displays the page without any trouble.

On the face of it, this looks like the cookie-stored
login status is associated only with the window that
was used for successful login.  Is this expected?
Do other people see similar behaviour? Should I file
a bug report?

I'm currently using the 2.7 release on VRPC-SA but this
affects earlier releases and development builds.

-- 
Mike Hobbs