Re: iGoogle not displaying?

2011-03-25 Thread Dave Symes
In article 51b96f647crh.li...@phone.coop,
   Russell Hafter - Lists rh.li...@phone.coop wrote:
 In article mpro.lilry03ap0068.pit...@pittdj.co.uk,
David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:

  make sure you have the latest version of your browser
  indeed!! The latest mainstream browsers are Safari 5,
  Firefox 4 and IE9.

 This is not really on topic, and I do not use Safari, and
 only very rarely IE.

 My version of Firefox is 3.6.16, to which it was updated by
 the autoupdater two nights ago, so I would have thought it
 perfectly correct to say that Firefox 3.x is the latest
 version. I have heard of rumours of Ver 4 - but that,
 presumably, is a development version only and not something
 that should be quoted to the general user as 'the latest',
 surely? (I also one heard a reference to a horrible new user
 interface...).

Rumours? of a version 4, keep up that man at the back, Beta 4 versions
have been out and about for ages... Well I've had them on my machines for
what seems like ages. ;-)

Version 4 RC was released last weekend(ish), followed by it being uprated
to the V4 official release at the beginning of the week.

Yes it is a bit different in the default state, but it can easily be
reconfigured back to a 3.nn like appearance.

I dislike the Tabs on top, so I have them switched back in the correct
place (As they were before).

Menu bar is still available if you should want it, and so on.

There are a few other minor UI changes...
Bottom line is it's still Firefox, albeit a bit difference in appearance,
but then Firefox 3 is somewhat different in appearance to early FireFox
version.

I still have both 3.6.16 and 4.0 installed because some addons have not
yet been updated for Ff 4.

And I often use them both at the same time.

 And what about Opera?

She is very good at interviews... ;-)

 What does amaze me, looking at my web servers logs, is the
 number of people still using IE5 and IE6 and Safari 3 + 4,
 as well as all the countless versions of Firefox 3.x.yy

As I understand it, this is mostly due to the Dumbass users, computer
arrives with IE whatever installed, and that's how it stays, mostly as
time passes, they don't know or care that newer versions are available, or
that Firefox, Opera, Shiny thing... exist.

Dave

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Dave Triffid



Re: iGoogle not displaying?

2011-03-25 Thread Russell Hafter - Lists
In article 51b97dea78d...@triffid.co.uk, Dave Symes
d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

 As I understand it, this is mostly due to the Dumbass
 users, computer arrives with IE whatever installed, and
 that's how it stays, mostly as time passes, they don't
 know or care that newer versions are available, or that
 Firefox, Opera, Shiny thing... exist.

But I mentioned older versions of Firefox too.

That, at least, comes with autoupdates by default, so if
they do not update, they either ignore the updates, or have
actively disabled them.

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(NB This link needs Firefox to work)



Re: iGoogle not displaying?

2011-03-25 Thread Russell Hafter - Lists
In article 51b97dea78d...@triffid.co.uk, Dave Symes
d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

 Rumours? of a version 4, keep up that man at the back,
 Beta 4 versions have been out and about for ages... Well
 I've had them on my machines for what seems like ages. ;-)

 Version 4 RC was released last weekend(ish), followed by
 it being uprated to the V4 official release at the
 beginning of the week.

So why did my version update to a later version of FF3.6
days after Ver. 4 release?

Yes, if I check manually today, it does offer me FF4

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Re: iGoogle not displaying?

2011-03-25 Thread Russell Hafter - Lists
In article mpro.lilyjl0012a6p03m0.pit...@pittdj.co.uk,
   David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:

 You could check your facts, Firefox 4 was released on the
 22nd of this month.

As I said, FF advised of the upgrade to reach 3.6.16 after
that date - from which it was reasonable to deduce that
Mozilla did not think that Ver 4 was ready yet.

I was ignoring beta versions.

 Its tabs on top interface is the current fashion.
 Denigrating something as yet unseen

I think I am entitled to repeat a comment I have seen
elsewhere, unless I have reason to mistrust it.

True, I cannot remember who made it, but it was not someone
whose opinions I normally mistrust, and the comment about
the UI was far stronger than mine.

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Re: iGoogle not displaying?

2011-03-25 Thread dave higton
Quoting Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk:

 [Firefox] Version 4 RC was released last weekend(ish), followed by
 it being uprated to the V4 official release at the beginning of the
 week.

I'm using the official V4 release to post this message.

Dave





Re: iGoogle not displaying?

2011-03-25 Thread David Pitt
Russell Hafter - Lists rh.li...@phone.coop wrote:

 In article mpro.lilyjl0012a6p03m0.pit...@pittdj.co.uk,
David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:
 
  You could check your facts, Firefox 4 was released on the 22nd of this
  month.
 
 As I said, FF advised of the upgrade to reach 3.6.16 after that date -
 from which it was reasonable to deduce that Mozilla did not think that Ver
 4 was ready yet.

I am sure we have been here before, Firefox 4 is a new version not an update
and so is not installed on auto-pilot.

How about this for coincidence, as I write Firefox 3.6.16 is downloading on
a Windows 7 machine. Having now upgraded itself the the page presented has
this, You're now running Firefox 3.6.16. For security reasons, we recommend
downloading the latest and greatest version, which is Firefox 4.

Here is a bit of OT fun, http://glow.mozilla.org/


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David Pitt



iGoogle not displaying?

2011-03-24 Thread Chris Shepheard
Has anybody else found that the iGoogle page no longer displays on 
Netsurf?

Certainly it was alright until two days ago but now I just get the 
background tint. It never displayed fully but always enough to get at 
the essential parts to use (it used javascript heavily).

It was just useful that Google knew what you had been looking at if I 
subsequently searched on the PC - the functionality is there in the 
basic page of course.

I'm not using the latest NS version but I'm pretty sure this problem 
must be the result of a change in the page that Google is sending.

Chris

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Re: iGoogle not displaying?

2011-03-24 Thread Brian Howlett
On 24 Mar, Chris Shepheard wrote:

 Has anybody else found that the iGoogle page no longer displays on
 Netsurf?

 Certainly it was alright until two days ago but now I just get the
 background tint. It never displayed fully but always enough to get at
 the essential parts to use (it used javascript heavily).

 It was just useful that Google knew what you had been looking at if I
 subsequently searched on the PC - the functionality is there in the
 basic page of course.

 I'm not using the latest NS version but I'm pretty sure this problem
 must be the result of a change in the page that Google is sending.

On the latest version (r12128) it just displays the page's background 
colour as well. View Source shows that pretty much the whole page is 
Javascript, so it's no wonder NetSurf fails to render it.
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be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge erections and
absolutely no recollection of what to do with them...



Re: iGoogle not displaying?

2011-03-24 Thread Tim Hill
In article d170f6b851.br...@bhowlett.plus.net, Brian Howlett
brian.gro...@brianhowlett.me.uk wrote:
 On 24 Mar, Chris Shepheard wrote:

  Has anybody else found that the iGoogle page no longer displays on
  Netsurf?

[Snip]

  I'm pretty sure this problem
  must be the result of a change in the page that Google is sending.

Indeed.


 On the latest version (r12128) it just displays the page's background
 colour as well. View Source shows that pretty much the whole page is
 Javascript, so it's no wonder NetSurf fails to render it.

There is a noscript section which should display: it tells you to
enable javascript!

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Re: iGoogle not displaying?

2011-03-24 Thread Chris Shepheard
In message 51b8fe8642...@timil.com
  Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote:

 There is a noscript section which should display: it tells you to
 enable javascript!

Very helpful!

Especially as that does not display either.

I used to get the top of the page, complete with personalised 
background image and search entry box, with that warning just 
beneath it.

Chris

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chris.shephe...@chrispics.co.uk
from far west Surreywww.chrispics.co.uk