Re: test builds after 2.5
In message 5119c13964...@timil.com, Tim Hill wrote: In article 7c95871951.davehig...@dsl.pipex.com, Dave Higton davehig...@dsl.pipex.com wrote: snip Agreed. I continue to be amazed at the number of people who post to RO mailing lists and newsgroups, who have poor comprehension skills; i.e. they read some words and somehow extract a meaning from them that is clearly different from what was written. Welcome to the real world. www.plainspeaking..co.uk is worth a read. ^^ A tip: try and avoid woolly words and be precise in what you say. ^^ or even www.plainspeaking.co.uk -- Erving
Re: test builds after 2.5
In article mpro.l2mqgk00ozzow04zw.li...@stevefryatt.org.uk, Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote: On 18 May, george wrote in message d3906f1951.acl...@tiscali.co.uk: You did say it. OK, the word 'stable' was not used, but implied: see TIB article 'Last RISC OS version of NetSurf announced', dated 14 Jan 2010: Team spokesman Michael Drake said earlier today: NetSurf 2.5 is likely to be the last release for RISC OS. It is unlikely that RISC OS development builds will function for much longer after this, either. You can make statements say anything you want, if you take selective bits out of context and quote them. The rest of that Iconbar article made the situation clear, although the headline was a lillte tabloid (and I pointed that out at the time). Well, tabloid papers tell lies, so what does that mean?! ;-) Before entering into another didn't say that debate may I please point out that the essence of good communication is ensuring that the message received is the one sent. If discussion reveals that an unintended message is received by some there can be many reasons for this, not just what was originally (not) said. Constantly repeating 'that's not what was meant, read it' is unhelpful if the wrong nuances are still clouding minds. What does 'likely' mean to different people? Almost certain? Many corporate press releases are intended to clarify as well as inform. I believe that you have confirmed that limited development of RISC OS NetSurf continues, despite the /impression/ given elsewhere. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: test builds after 2.5
In article 7c95871951.davehig...@dsl.pipex.com, Dave Higton davehig...@dsl.pipex.com wrote: In message 20100518172458.4024b...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: On Tue, 18 May 2010 16:35:12 +0100 george george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Since the developers have stated that NetSurf 2.5 will be the last stable RISC OS release Where did the developers say this? I don't remember any of us every saying this. Just that it was likely if somebody didn't come in and help with the RISC OS front end. Can people who keep saying this please stop saying it until we say it. Agreed. I continue to be amazed at the number of people who post to RO mailing lists and newsgroups, who have poor comprehension skills; i.e. they read some words and somehow extract a meaning from them that is clearly different from what was written. Welcome to the real world. www.plainspeaking..co.uk is worth a read. A tip: try and avoid woolly words and be precise in what you say. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: test builds after 2.5
On 18 May 2010 george george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Since the developers have stated that NetSurf 2.5 will be the last stable RISC OS release, should I continue to download and install test builds from the RISC OS section of the Downloads area? Presumably, at a certain point, these will fail due to incompatibility with the existing RO front end, but when? For the record, I'm running r10528 at the moment on RO 5.16 (Iyonix), which seems to work fine. And I'm running r10550 on 5.16, ditto. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Yb \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne\/ ____\ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _\ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: test builds after 2.5
In message 20100518172458.4024b...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: On Tue, 18 May 2010 16:35:12 +0100 george george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Since the developers have stated that NetSurf 2.5 will be the last stable RISC OS release Where did the developers say this? I don't remember any of us every saying this. Just that it was likely if somebody didn't come in and help with the RISC OS front end. Can people who keep saying this please stop saying it until we say it. You did say it. OK, the word 'stable' was not used, but implied: see TIB article 'Last RISC OS version of NetSurf announced', dated 14 Jan 2010: Team spokesman Michael Drake said earlier today: NetSurf 2.5 is likely to be the last release for RISC OS. It is unlikely that RISC OS development builds will function for much longer after this, either. In the context of that remark, I maintain that my question was a reasonable one, and appropriately phrased. That said, it is good to hear that development continues. Let's hope someone can spare the time to update the RO front end. George --
Re: test builds after 2.5
On Tue, 18 May 2010 18:02:09 +0100 george george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Can people who keep saying this please stop saying it until we say it. You did say it. OK, the word 'stable' was not used, but implied: see TIB article 'Last RISC OS version of NetSurf announced', dated 14 Jan 2010: Team spokesman Michael Drake said earlier today: NetSurf 2.5 is likely to be the last release for RISC OS. ^^ ^^ B.
Re: test builds after 2.5
In article 5119729ccbrh.li...@phone.coop, Russell Hafter - Lists rh.li...@phone.coop wrote: In article 20100518172458.4024b...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net, Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: Where did the developers say this? I don't remember any of us every saying this. Just that it was likely if somebody didn't come in and help with the RISC OS front end. Can people who keep saying this please stop saying it until we say it. I have lost count of the number of times that Rob has had to make this point, in various different places. It would be nice to think that people actually *read* these postings. :-) Probably part of the same syndome that causes people to not see the words written, but some invisible ones that present among the lines one has actually written. Dave -- Dave Triffid
Re: test builds after 2.5
On 18 May, Tim Hill wrote in message 51196f11fe...@timil.com: In article 56328.82.109.43.222.1274200724.squir...@91.84.211.154, Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote: [snip] And, for the record, once things have stabilised following 2.5, I hope there will still be work done on the RISC OS front-end -- time permitting. Excellent news. Thanks for the clarification. I'm not aware that this is a clarification: it's what has been said all along, and sounded very much like what visitors to the NetSurf stand were being told at the Wakefield Show (at least from where I was standing on the day). The same caveats (and opportunities for others to help in numerous ways) still stand, too. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
Re: test builds after 2.5
On 18 May, george wrote in message d3906f1951.acl...@tiscali.co.uk: You did say it. OK, the word 'stable' was not used, but implied: see TIB article 'Last RISC OS version of NetSurf announced', dated 14 Jan 2010: Team spokesman Michael Drake said earlier today: NetSurf 2.5 is likely to be the last release for RISC OS. It is unlikely that RISC OS development builds will function for much longer after this, either. You can make statements say anything you want, if you take selective bits out of context and quote them. The rest of that Iconbar article made the situation clear, although the headline was a lillte tabloid (and I pointed that out at the time). -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
Re: test builds after 2.5
In message 20100518172458.4024b...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: On Tue, 18 May 2010 16:35:12 +0100 george george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Since the developers have stated that NetSurf 2.5 will be the last stable RISC OS release Where did the developers say this? I don't remember any of us every saying this. Just that it was likely if somebody didn't come in and help with the RISC OS front end. Can people who keep saying this please stop saying it until we say it. Agreed. I continue to be amazed at the number of people who post to RO mailing lists and newsgroups, who have poor comprehension skills; i.e. they read some words and somehow extract a meaning from them that is clearly different from what was written. Dave
