Re: nettime An Infinite Seance

[Florian Cramer]

Am Samstag, 27. Januar 2007 um 20:03:22 Uhr (+0100) schrieb olia lialina:
 
 The situation had continued for a long while, especially in film
 museums and on film festivals. But now, at last, short films are
 starting to claim some space of their own. Lately, several new ways of
 screening short films and videos have come into existence:
 
 * each film screened in its own separate room; endless loop; two
   or more projections.

It is interesting how this form of presentation blurs the boundaries
between the theatrical medium film and the home medium video.
While you explicity speak of film, it has also become the dominant
installation form of video-based art work, for example at Documenta
XI. Perhaps the oldest materialization of this presentation form were
early 1960s/1970s porn movies, 16mm short films that were screened as
endless beaver loops shops in sex shops, as first prototypes of porn
video viewing booths.

But on to another point of your essay:

 For these and many other reasons, interactive installations never
 turned into anything significant. Curators were happy to get rid of
 them as soon as the time was right, which happened about a year and
 a half ago. 

I wish you were right, Olia, but can't see it happening. On
the contrary, interactive installation art seems to thrive,
dominate media festivals and continue to be the canonical form of
institutional electronic art all the while net art continues to be
declared dead. Before it was - temporarily - hacked by net artists,
the field of media art was essentially an outgrowth of 1960s/1970s
cybernetic audiovisual computer art. This art never had much, if any,
relevance and credentials in the field of contemporary art. Since
net artists rather came from actual art than institutional media
research lab practice, they temporarily changed the game, much to the
frustration of those in electronic art who were more interested in
high tech interactivity, artificial intelligence, photorealistic
graphic simulations etc. Yet it seems to me as if these old paradigms
have been restored, and the old cybernetic fallacies, with their
confusions of interaction with machine feedback and cognition with
computation, continue to rule at least in European institutional
electronic arts.

Florian

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nettime Google deprecates SOAP API

[Florian Cramer]

http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/12/google_depreciates_SOAP_API.html 

[This means the end of most published Google Hacks and, most
importantly, countless Google-based net art works. Another example why
relying on proprietary software and services will bite back developers
eventually.]

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nettime Sodom Blogging - Alternative porn and aesthetic sensibility

[Florian Cramer]

. Indie porn replaces the rhetoric
of artificiality in classical mainstream pornography - artificial body
parts, sterile studios, wooden acting - with a rhetoric of the authentic:
instead of mask-like bodies normalized using make-up, wigs and implants,
the authentic person is exposed and protruded not physically, as in
Gonzo porn, but psychically. Indie porn websites, comprehensive links
to which can be found at www.indienudes.com, no longer emulate the cover
aesthetics of porn videos and magazines but have switched to a standard
format including diaries, blogs and discussion forums where users
communicate with models and models with each other in a rationalized
discourse characterized by a pretense of mutual respect, while the
private person is at the same time in her authentic totality exposed
to the public view, following exactly the logic traced by Foucault in
the development of the penal system from the physical mutilation of the
offender to the modern panoptic prison's psychological terror.

With this personalization and psychologization, Indie porn is making
the logical next step in a progressive unmasking of the pornographic
actor that began in the 1980s with the switch (recounted at epic length
in the movie Boogie Nights) from 35 millimeter porno-theater flicks to
cheap video, continued in Gonzo anal sex porn, and culminates in Internet
pornography. Gonzo porn is even more subversive and transgressive than
Indie pornography in that it subliminally satisfies and thus installs
gay desires within the heterosexual mainstream: anal barebacking, women
styled like drag queens, and - in contradistinction from most 1970s and
1980s porn - offensively sexualized male stars, like Rocco Siffredi, in
the camera's focus. What Gonzo stages as a radical poiesis and white-trash
body performance in the vein of Jackass, is turned in Indie porn into
a sentimentalized confessional discourse before a paying audience cast
as voyeuristic confessors, with constant assurances of the bourgeois
normalcy and, irrespective of its rating, the playful harmlessness of
the sex on view.

Just as Indie pop is a specious alternative to the music industry's
mainstream, and in reality based on the same business model, which is
being protected by ever more absurd copyright laws, preventive technology,
cease-and-desist notices and searches of homes, Indie porn is not at
all independent but in fact commercialized and sealed off from free
channels, even positioned in opposition to them: precisely because the
mainstream merchandise is easily available on peer-to-peer exchanges,
pornography, just like pop music, now sells only by virtue of difference,
including difference from itself.

Florian Cramer



Notes:

 1. Sex ist das Spiel der Erwachsenen, interview in Der Tagesspiegel,
 7/2/2006.

 2. Cf. Mark Terkessidis, Wie weit kannst du gehen?, in: Die
 Tageszeitung, 8/18/2006.

 3. Peter Gorsen, Sexualästhetik, Reinbek 1987, p. 481 ff.

 4. Porn and art are fused in Otto Muehl, who on the one hand anticipated
 the imagery and rhetoric of mainstream and scat fetish porn with his
 formulaic sexist and voyeuristic material Actions, and on the other
 hand took part in the making of the sexploitation movies Schamlos
 [Shameless] (1968) and Wunderland der Liebe - Der große deutsche
 Sexreport [Wonderland of Love - The Great German Sex Report] (1970);
 a similar path was taken in 1981 by pop singer and future sex guru
 Christian Anders in his movie Die Todesgöttin des Liebescamps [The
 Love Camp's Goddess of Death].

 5. It is a less well-known fact that Hustler publisher Larry Flynt
 started a porn magazine called Rage, styled as Alternative pop in its
 photography, typography and copy, already in 1997; its publication
 was soon discontinued. Joanna Angel, host of Indie porn website
 burningangel.com, now works for Flynt's Hustler Video.

 6. Or they are fused, as in Catherine Breillat's movies, in the synthesis
 that sexuality's being per se sexist can be made a source of infernal
 pleasures.

 7. See Barbara Vinken's preface in Drucilla Cornell, Die Versuchung
 der Pornographie, Frankfurt/M. 1997.

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Re: nettime in association with nettime.org

[Florian Cramer]

Am Mittwoch, 29. November 2006 um 06:09:10 Uhr (+0100) schrieb Geert Lovink:

  A one-day conference in association with nettime.org www.nettime.org 
  which explores the geographical and social structures of workers in 
  the Creative Industries and particularly the New Media sector

How can a conference be made in association with nettime.org without
any poll on the list? All the more when it perpetuates that terribly
stupid meme of the Creative Industries? Or is this event a fraud and
refers to nettime without any authorization?

It it time for some tactical media use of ubermorgen.com's Injunction
Generator against the organizers of that event? 

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Re: nettime Racism and Sexism at Citizendium

[Florian Cramer]

Am Dienstag, 28. November 2006 um 11:44:57 Uhr (-0700) schrieb Kali Tal:
 
 I am withdrawing from Citizendium because of the racist and sexist  
 policy put in place by Larry Sanger, who claims that the disciplines  
 of Ethnic Studies and Gender Studies do not belong in the list of top  
 level categories in Citizendium, or as individual categories at all.   
 Sanger has unilaterally decided that all race and gender topics  
 should be split up under traditional disciplinary headings, so that  
 there will be, for example, a sub-group of African American  
 Literature, and African American History, but no category -- at  
 any level -- in African American studies, and he embraces the same  
 tactic of fragmenting other Ethnic Studies and Gender Studies.  The  
 fact that his broad strokes of exclusion primarily effect women and  
 minority scholars does not seem to matter to him.

Two remarks: 

- If one participates in a project that is structurally conservative (as
  an elitist, anti net-cultural counter-project to Wikipedia), it's
  hardly surprising if it's also structurally conservative in its
  content.  If there is a lesson to be learned for feminist, queer
  studies, African American studies etc. intellectuals, then the one
  that they should finally look beyond conservative academia and
  traditional publishing.  Wikipedia, in fact, is such an alternative,
  and would overcome much of its quality problems if more academics and
  intellectuals would bother to contribute to it. (That said, there also
  are amazingly good Wikipedia articles on philosophical and humanities
  topics.)

  It always struck me as odd that, for example, you need to attend
  expensive ivy league universities in order to study with the best
  scholars in that field, and that minority students at inexpensive
  state schools hardly have a chance of studying with reputed scholars
  in those fields. (Back in the 1990s, as an exchange student in the
  USA, I struck me - from my European point of view - as plainly obscene
  that self-declared Marxists taught at Duke University.)

- To have a conservative understanding of displicines is one thing, 
  to be racist and sexist another. Many feminists, in fact, are opposed
  to disciplines like Women Studies because they consider them ghettos
  and find it more important to hack, or rewrite, disciplines like
  literature and history altogether. But even as a conservative, Sanger
  shouldn't be called a racist unless he claimed that, for example,
  African American history didn't belong into Citizendium at all. 

Florian

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Re: nettime The Creative Common Misunderstanding

[Florian Cramer]

Hello Paul,

sorry for replying a bit late. Yes, indeed I claimed that many artists
and activists seem to look into free licenses under the wrong assumption
that it permits them use of third-party copyrighted or trademarked
material. This is based on my first-hand experience, among others as
one of the copy editors of Lawrence Liang's Guide to Open Content
Licenses, panel moderator at Wizards of OS and participant at other
arts-related festivals. Lawrence's book contains (on page 28) the
example of a journalist who seeks to illustrate his book with movie
stills, but wouldn't solve his copyright trouble by putting the book
under a free license. This was not some hypothetical story, but based on
an actual exchange with a film journalist who had read the draft of the
manuscript in the precise hope that it would point him to a solution of
his problem. After we explained the matter, he lost interest in free
licensing altogether. 

At a Wizards of OS panel on art as anti-copyright activism I
moderated in 2004, many artists in the audience thought of free licenses
as a solution for using third-party work without jeopardizing
themselves.  Their interest in the Creative Commons was less motivated
by contributing to a cultural movement of sharing (like, for example, in
Situationism or the Luther Blissett project before), but by wanting to
avoid legal risks for use of third-party material.

There is a wide-spread false belief that, by declaring your work
non-commercial under CC, your use of third-party material becomes fair
use. Some people think this applies to any third-party material, some
that it only applies to material from the Internet, others that it
applies to any material licensed under CC, and they're all mistaken.

 as you observe this is indeed an issue with all free licenses (be it
 content oriented ones like free art license or any of the creative
 commons licenses or software licenses like the GPL or BSD style
 licenses). Creative Commons has to my knowledge never claimed that it
 would (attempt to) remedy the problem your are describing. 

Perhaps not in the fine print, but (as I wrote) its web site literally
says right on top, on a big button linking the license menu page:
Publish your stuff, safely and legally. 

The attributes safely and legally blatantly mislead people into the
false beliefs I described. Nothing is safely or legallypublished by
putting it under a CC (or any other) license.  There is, as a matter of
fact, no safe publishing in the Internet or elsewhere.

 That is why Creative Commons is fairly agressive in stating that the
 rights granted by the licenses come on top of fair
 use/dealing/copyright exceptions rights and do not limit them.

But that is just as much or even more misleading in the above context;
people who aren't legal experts may easily think that they _receive_
freedoms on top of fair use rather than _grant_ them to others.

 also i think it would be productive to finally stop comparing open
 content licenses to open source/free software licenses. admitted CC
 states that they have been inspired by these licenses, but inspired
 does not mean that these licenses that govern a clearly demarcated
 field of endeavor (writing and reusing code) with a limited range of
 players (coders, software and hardware companies) can be directly
 compared to open content licenses which have the ambition to be usable
 for the entire field of cultural production. 

I don't see software as a limited field (or form) of contemporary
culture, but only as one that historically preempted political issues
that apply to digital information in general. In the case of computer
games  - to take only the most popular example and not start talking
about software art, programmed digital art, generative image and sound
work...  -, the distinction of software and audiovisual arts collapses
completely. 

The irony is, for example, that hardly any of the images, sounds,
videos, texts etc. licensed under CC can be legally used in an open
source/free game.  

 the standards set by licenses like the GPL as a social contract that
 attempts to model behaviour of a relatively homogenous group of
 individuals and mareket actors cannot be met by licenses that lack a
 clearly defined group of actors granting rights and using material
 covered by them.

Since the GPL defines user rights, the group of actors it applies to in
fact includes everyone using GPLed software - who make use of the 
GNU philosophy of freely copying the program and using it for any
purpose. If you use the Firefox browser, then you are part of that
group.

 Parallel distribution might make perfect sense when dealing
 with software code, where distributing binary code is essential
 in order to make it useable for non-developers and the parallel
 distribution of source code ensures the freedoms to study and to
 modify. However you cannot simply transfer this mechanism to the world
 of 'content'. here distribution in the closed non modifiable 

Re: nettime a letter to the editor

[Florian Cramer]

Brian (and others):

 It would be useful to gather a selection of one-liners, plus 
 the complete documents from which they are excerpted, and 
 put them in a little time-capsule for three to five years, 
 before republishing - a time short enough so that we would 
 all still feel the sting of how foolish most of this 
 discussion has been.

I agree, but from the exact opposite angle. ;-) Let's talk about it
again in a few years and see how we will view the matter then.

I tend to see s a fallacy here of assuming that the enemy of your enemy
is your friend, or better: sharing your political goals. The people who
burned down the embassies in their outrage about blasphemy, demanding
that the Danish government shut down the newspaper are no good allies
for your cause. They weren't demonstrating against the war in Iraq,
against Western colonialism in the region, or against immigrant policies
in Denmark, but against the satirical depiction of Muhammad. I consider
it a form of intellectual respect to the protesters to take their
demands as what they are, and not read anything into them what one
rather would like them to be. On these grounds, I tend to view the
protests as reactionaries reacting to reactionaries.  The protesters
are, all the more with the backing of regimes like Saudi Arabia, at
least as bad allies for a multicultural cause as the state-organized
anti-imperialist peace demonstrations in Eastern European countries
before 1989 were no good allies for Western pacifists. 

That's all I am saying. And that one can find it inacceptable to impose
a censorship onto oneself in order not to hurt someone's religious
feelings somewhere in the world. I see no contradiction in calling the
Danish paper xenophobic and still insist on the right to blasphemy.
Multiculturalism is misguided when it makes concessions on those grounds
and embraces reactionary demands just because they come from a minority
culture. 

Concepts like free media are cheap, or rather: worth nothing when you
grant them only to the people whose political views you share. If
Nettimers disagree, they should be honest and voice their political
support of, among others, a censored Internet that bans hate speech and
sexist pornography, for example.

So please flame Geert for his Psiphon posting, covering an activism
against countries considered repressive, such as China, North Korea,
Iran and Saudi Arabia by volunteers in more open countries.  Tell
him, like Gita did, to clean the shit in your own home first. (And
since I am unsubscribing from this list, please reply to me by personal
mail.)

-F

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Re: nettime cartoons? come on.

[Florian Cramer]

Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2006 um 21:50:45 Uhr (-0800) schrieb Sasha 
Costanza-Chock:
 
   Can we please shift the conversation from the back and forth of the rights
 regime (free speech! freedom of religion! World Leaders Agreed it's 
 Universal!) to
 the reality of empire, war, and occupation that is the real fuel for the 
 so-called
 'cartoon protests.'

It is not the real fuel. The fuel are Middle Eastern regimes that choreographed
and coordinated those protests. They were perfect to get their people in line 
and
create an outlet for their political frustration that wouldn't endanger the
regimes and the violent suppression of free speech and political freedom in 
those
countries. Besides, Middle Eastern politics cannot be reduced to a simple
black-vs.-white, good-vs.-evil scheme with one evil empire pulling the 
strings.
(Isn't it remarkable how Negri/Hardt use a concept coined by Star Wars and
Ronald Reagan?) Conspiciously absent from this debate, for example, are the
Iranian threats to Israel and the Holocaust revisionist conference taking place
there - only because people in Israel or Western countries don't mass-protest
against that, and aren't burning down Iranian embassies?

Don't let yourself manipulate by propaganda and intelligence work. It is
impossible to burn down an embassy without the local government at (the very)
least tolerating it.

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Re: nettime publication of Jyllands-Posten cartoons is not [5x]

[Florian Cramer]

Am Sonntag, 12. Februar 2006 um 14:20:13 Uhr (-0500) schrieb Nettime:
 From: Ryan Griffis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: publication of Jyllands-Posten cartoons is not...
 
[...]
 
 The other question i have is about Florian Cramer's buy or not buy 
 argument... Really? So it all comes down to market forces? 

Where did I talk of market forces?

A counter question: If the caricatures hadn't appeared in a newspaper,
but in the Internet, would there have been same reactions relativizing
media freedom on this mailing list? Would people have said that such an
online publication went too far and needed to be regulated?

If that were the case, then Nettime's cause of net culture has come
a long way... 

I can't believe what I'm reading here.

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Re: nettime publication of Jyllands-Posten cartoons is not freedom of thepress

[Florian Cramer]

Am Donnerstag, 09. Februar 2006 um 14:27:51 Uhr (-0800) schrieb Ayhan Aytes:
 No I mean the violence in its literal sense, in this case through
 cultural means of political oppression of minorities. We should remember
 that Muslims in Denmark are minorities. The Atheist response to
 Christian majority culture can be supported when they use the Jesus
 cartoons to stand against this oppression. But when the majority uses
 the same method against Muslim minority it becomes a totalitarian tool
 to oppress Muslim minority. 

Allow me to disagree. Totalitarian implies that it's more than just symbols, 
but
a physical oppression program. If the latter were the case, then there would be 
a
justified reason to consider it political oppression of minorities.

In any case, I am an atheist, and I wouldn't consider it oppression if
Christians in Europe, Muslims in Arab countries or Jews in Israel would depict
atheists in the way Muslims have been depicted in Denmark - although I might not
be amused.

Protest against these caricatures is fine by me, but it's never okay to deny 
other
people the right to draw such caricatures, or even worse, hold whole nations
responsible for them.

 You may support the Nazi era propaganda
 cartoons but I hope not in the mainstream media for the purpose of
 oppressing Jewish people in Europe and creating the propaganda platform
 to exterminate them. 

See, I consider the politics of extermination the crime, but not the propaganda.
Of course, I find the propaganda despisable and would criticize it in every
aspect. But it's a difference of considering something unethical - but not 
illegal
- and considering something a crime that should legally prosecuted.  This is 
why I
am opposed to the fact that a film like Triumph of the Will is banned in my
country.

 If this is the case then I hope Muslims are not the
 new Jews of old Europe. 

I agree. But banning caricatures doesn't help a bit - in fact, it makes matters
worse because it would camouflage those sentiments. 

 Yes. Denmark has a law providing for fines and up to four months in jail
 for anyone who publicly offends or insults a religion that is
 recognized in the country. 

Sorry, I probably mixed it up with the Netherlands. I am strongly opposed to 
such
laws - and even more to the fact that some religions are recognized by the
countries and apparently some others not.

 If this newspaper had earlier rejected
 publishing Jesus cartoons based on the same law they should have acted
 consistently in this case too. 

I agree. But this is a matter of editorial policy and its ethics - which might 
be
questionable -, but not of legal prosecution.

 Their double standard is the sign of
 their insincerity in their excuse on behalf of freedom of speech. 

I agree, too. I know that they aren't a good ally for my own views. But as Rosa
Luxemburg said, freedom is always the freedom of those who think differently,
too.

 To believe that a drawing oppresses the freedom of people means to
 leave the grounds of rational discourse.
 To believe otherwise with no discrete sense of the political use of
 representations is welcoming Nazi era propaganda as freedom of speech.

Not welcoming, but tolerating. That's a very important difference.

 The freedom of speech can only be protected when its meaning is
 preserved against this erosion through Orwellian totalitarian rhetoric. 

Not rhetoric, but politics. If freedom of speech can be eroded through rhetoric
alone, then the concept is meaningless.

 If you want to capture the true meanings of things always mind the
 subject. 

I find the concept of a true meaning of things highly problematic by itself.

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Re: nettime publication of Jyllands-Posten cartoons is not freedom of thepress

[Florian Cramer]

Am Sonntag, 05. Februar 2006 um 13:14:28 Uhr (-0500) schrieb Ronda Hauben:

 Whatever the reason for the republication and defense of the cartoons,
 in the Jyllands-Posten newspaper, newspapers which republish them in the
 name of freedom of speech or freedom of the press are seriously
 misrepresenting what freedom of speech or freedom of the press mean.
 
 The publication and republication of the cartoons are an example of
 sensational journalistic practices, an effort to use the press to provoke
 people, which is traditionally something that the press has been used
 for.
 
 Freedom of the press is not the freedom to stir up hatred against a
 people because of their religion or nationality or sex, etc.

Whatever the reason for the reproduction and defense of Robert
Mapplethorpe's Piss Jesus, media which republish the picture in the
name of freedom of speech or freedom of art are seriously
misrepresenting what freedom of speech or freedom of art mean.

The publication and republication of Piss Jesus are an example of
sensational artistic practices, an effort to use art to provoke
people, which is traditionally something that art has been used
for.

Freedom of art is not the freedom to stir up hatred against a
people because of their religion or nationality or sex, etc.

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Re: nettime Frank Rieger: We lost the War--Welcome to the World of Tomorrow

[Florian Cramer]

Am Montag, 09. Januar 2006 um 18:00:39 Uhr (+0100) schrieb Geert Lovink:

 On 9 Jan 2006, at 6:37 AM, Florian Cramer wrote:

  I admire the perfect Carl Schmitt-ian (and by implication, Leo
  Straussian) rhetoric of this manifesto: The rhetoric of the
  emergency state, political friend-vs.-enemy antagonism, and its view
  of the status quo of democracy.

 You mean admire like in Oscar Wilde's:

 I admire Japanese chairs because they have not been made to sit
 upon.

Geert,

I just wanted to make a simple point: That Frank and Rop recycle,
unintentionally I think, and fall victim to the neo-conservative
ideology they want to attack, by buying into its (deliberately
fabricated, Straussian) myth of the war. 

My commentary was a bit acidic because I considered their keynote in the
context of the overall politics of the Chaos Computer Club of the past
few years.  Parts of the CCC have been caught in a Discordian paranoia
loop since quite some time, taking conspiracy theories more seriously
than R. A. Wilson himself ever would. In fact, there have been
de-conspiracy workshops at CCC conventions in this and in previous
years, organized by CCC members who feel uneasy with the paranoia
rhetoric and politics.  All the while, CCC spokesman Andy Müller-Maguhn
is currently involved in a legal effort of issuing an injunction issued
against Wikipedia for publishing the full real name of the former CCC
hacker Tron. Tron's death in 1998 has been turned into a murder
conspiracy mythopoeisis by parts of the CCC, a bogus conspiracy theory
according to critical sources like journalist Burkhard Schröder.

I see too many themes in Frank's and Rop's paper that continue to play
the apocalyptic tunes and conspiracy worldview. As others already stated
here, they grossly overstate the real impact of 9/11, turning it into
a mythical date just like Homeland Security did. They also literally speak
of political conspiracies. Their single observations might be on
target, but I would prefer a more differentiated overall analysis,
especially in the context of the CCC with its angst-ridden teenage
members.


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Re: nettime Frank Rieger: We lost the War--Welcome to the World of Tomorrow

[Florian Cramer]

Am Samstag, 07. Januar 2006 um 11:47:29 Uhr (-0500) schrieb Geert Lovink:
 
 We lost the war. Welcome to the world of tomorrow.
 By: Frank Rieger

[...]

 Democracy is already over
 
 By its very nature the western democracies have become a playground for 
 lobbyists, industry interests and conspiracies that have absolutely no 
 interest in real democracy. The democracy show must go on 
 nonetheless. Conveniently, the show consumes the energy of those that 
 might otherwise become dangerous to the status quo. The show provides 
 the necessary excuse when things go wrong and keeps up the illusion of 
 participation. Also, the system provides organized and regulated 
 battleground rules to find out which interest groups and conspiracies 
 have the upper hand for a while. 

I admire the perfect Carl Schmitt-ian (and by implication, Leo
Straussian) rhetoric of this manifesto: The rhetoric of the emergency
state, political friend-vs.-enemy antagonism, and its view of the status
quo of democracy.

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Re: nettime Libre Commons = Libre Culture + Radical Democracy

[Florian Cramer]

You argue against the supposed moralism and apoliticism of the Free
Software movement, but your own agenda is nothing but moralist and
apolitical itself:

 1. This work is outside of all legal jurisdictions and takes its  

This is an romantic apolitical position because such a space outside of
all legal jurisdictions does not exist. Wake up and get a life.

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Re: nettime a new definition

[Florian Cramer]

Olia:

 Because New media does not usually refer to relatively recent mass media. It
 does not usually refer to mass media discourse. It refers to the digital 
 medium:
 computer, computer networks. And unfortunately to interactive media and other
 forms of multimedia when it comes to giving definitions.

I don't think this has always been true. McLuhan, for example, already uses the
term new media in his writings from the 1960s. And as a thirty-something, I
remember how video and cable TV were commonly referred to as new media in the
1980s.  (And media art was thought to be more or less synonymous with video 
art.
Just look at the history of ars electronica and transmediale.) 

But it's symptomatic of new media discourses, of course, that they deny their
history; after all, that's what the term new is about.


  The whole entry, IMHO, is based on a confusion of the term new media
  with new media studies and should have been a separate article with
  the according title.
 
 It is not a confusion, it is my statement, that the term New Media as a name 
 for a
 field of studies is the only meaningful appearance of this term.

But new media refer to the new media themselves, not their field of study. One
could say, for example, that the DVD, the iPod, HDTV or P2P networks are 
(fairly)
new media. To use an analogy: One would not define literature as synonymous 
with
literary studies on the sole grounds that university programs are normally 
called
- in the anglophone and francophone world - literature and not literature
studies.

 After watching Refresh streams I looked in The Language of New Media book for
 the definition -- it was not there. I looked in New Media Reader. The Term was
 not defined. I looked in Wikipedia -- after you know (see the beginning of the
 message).

Well, all of this isn't perhaps too surprising. There are a lot of McGuffin
terms in the humanities that are frequently used, but remain deliberately un- or
underdefined. Cassirer's symbolic forms come to my mind, Foucault's 
discourse
and, well, the term media itself.

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Re: nettime net.edu? - European Graduate School

[Florian Cramer]

Am Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2005 um 08:41:59 Uhr (-0700) schrieb lotu5:
 
 I'm just wondering if folks here have any experience with this school or know
 anyone who does, as I evaluate how to spend my next 3 years of my life. The 
 school
 can be found at http://www.egs.edu .

These here might be of interest:
http://www.paultulipana.net/egs/
http://www.alexanderklemm.ch/?EGS%3A_The_European_Graduate_School_%28NEW_JULY_26%29
   
http://amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0001/msg00025.html

The single head behind EGS, and as it seems the only tenured, resident
faculty member, is Wolfgang Schirmacher. The above Nettime archive entry
links to more of his postings on this list and might give insight into
his thinking and personality.

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And I forgot those links:
http://www.markhemphill.com/myblog/2004/06/drama_at_egs.html 
http://www.markhemphill.com/myblog/2004/06/egs_wraps.html  |

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Re: nettime Who will own and control the Internet's infrastructure?

[Florian Cramer]

Alex:

 DNS is entirely unnecessary for the functioning of distributed
 networks such as the internet. It is simply a convenience: people
 prefer to read addresses as words rather than as numbers. 

This is not the only function of DNS. I would even argue that it's the
less important one. More importantly, DNS provides a second-level meta
adressing layer for the Internet, i.e. one that abstracts from the
physical locations. And what's more, there is no one-to-one, invertible
correspondence between domain names and IP numbers -  which would
complicate things further.

Let's take nettime as an example. bbs.thing.net resolves to the IP
address 64.115.210.15. I could, as you suggest, simply send this posting
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you
reverse-lookup this DNS entry, then 64.115.210.15 resolves to the domain
name static-64-115-210-15.isp.broadviewnet.net. I.e., Thing.net
currently runs via broadviewnet.net; its domain name and its subdomains
resolve to static IP numbers provided by this ISP.  Thing.net had to
change its ISP in 2003 after its old ISP Verio had taken them offline,
for political reasons: The Yes Men had issued a fake Dow Chemical press
release and spread it via thing.net (full story here:
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0304,carr,41320,1.html).

If The Thing and Nettime wouldn't have had domain names (=DNS entries),
but only IP numbers, they both would have vanished from the net on the
spot. The damage would have been almost irreparable. 

 If DNS and the domain names disappeared tomorrow, the internet would work
 just fine. 

From the view of the ISPs, yes, from our perspective, not, because we
would become the slaves of our ISPs and physical network locations. 

 We'd all be using IP addresses and the other name spaces already in
 existence. 

Another counter-example: Because of the current shortage of IP
addresses and a transition to IP v6 that never seems to happen, most
private Internet users don't get static IP numbers from their ISP, but
different IP numbers each time they log on. Thanks to the domain name
system and services like dyndns.org, it is still possible to host a
server, or log into your own computer from the Internet (via ssh, VPN
etc.) even if you don't know your temporary IP address.

Yet another counter-example: the domain name system allows you to map
different domains (DNS entries) to a single IP address and make them
appear as different servers. The apache http server can map different
subdomain address queries to different virtual hosts. If you own the
domain foo.org, you can create an arbitrary number of different
websites like bar.foo.org, xy.foo.org, test.bar.foo.org etc. under
a single IP address and without registering the subdomains in DNS.
Again, this takes control away from the ISPs and gives it to you.

 (I'm hesitant to say that control over IP number assignment means
 control over the internet, but I'd be interested to hear that argument if 
 someone
 wants to make it.)

Well, it certainly does - as you wrote yourself, IP numbers are vital
for the technical functioning of the Internet, domain names are not. 
The shortage of IP v4 numbers and the slow transition to IP v6 already
has, as pointed out, negative consequences for Internet users with
standard ISP access. Yet things could be much worse. Imagine
ICANN (or whoever may be in charge of IP number assignment in the
future) would suddenly decide - disguised perhaps as a security policy 
- that IP numbers may no longer be assigned to non-corporate individuals, 
or, because of their shortage, would be available only for $10,000 per
address and year. 

The fact that IP number assignment (fortunately!) hasn't been
controversial yet doesn't mean that it will stay that way.  If IP number
and DNS control were shifted from ICANN to the United Nation's ITU, for
example, it might politically look good on paper, but could be
devastating in practical life considering how the ITU backed
monopoly-controlled telecommunication in the past.

 Additionally sites like google have made domain names more and more obsolete.

I am not sure which advantages it would have to give up domain names
that can be owned and controlled by individuals - and pass over that
control to an entity like Google.

 Another example: peer-to-peer technologies such as Gnutella have essentially 
 zero
 reliance on the DNS. (Yes, domain names are conventionally used when 
 bootstrapping
 with a web cache, but strictly speaking web caches are a convenience not a
 necessity, and IP addresses would work just as well.) Fully distributed p2p
 applications are widely available for most of the things we do online: email,
 chat, file transfer, etc.

But they all have to implement their naming and addressing schemes
internally. This only shifts the DNS issue to the level of the
individual P2P protocol, with even less public accountability for the
address assignment politics.

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Re: nettime FW: [IP] more on Ireland counts the cost of MIT Media Lab fiasco

[Florian Cramer]

Am Mittwoch, 05. Oktober 2005 um 19:49:55 Uhr (-0400) schrieb Gurstein, Michael:
  Original URL: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/04/
  mit_media_lab_ireland/
 
  Ireland counts the cost of MIT Media Lab fiasco
 
  By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco (andrew.orlowski at
  theregister.co.uk)

[...]

  The European Media Lab was launched at the height
  of the tech bubble but closed its doors in
  January this year. Its output may disappoint the
  Irish government, but it won't surprise anyone
  familiar with the original MIT Media Lab.
 
  [snip]

You left out the juicy bit:

| The institution was founded in the 1980s by Nicholas Negroponte
| as a way of relieving gullible corporations of their money. The
| haphazard and often whimsical research was scorned by real computer
| scientists, but succeeding in its goal of attracting attention from
| a gadget-happy mass media. Negroponte even funded his own tech porn
| publication: Wired magazine, to promote the utopian adventure.
|
| And they're still at it. This year we featured the Labs' Clocky - a
| shagpile-covered alarm clock that runs away from you.
|
| The only difference with MIT Media Lab Eire is that the taxpayer,
| rather than, private donors, were invited to sponsor the playpen.
|
| We can't improve on the Sunday Times description of the scandal,
| written by John Burns, which begins thus:
|
| One of its biggest research projects was a sensor to read peoples
| minds. But MediaLab Europe (MLE), a project that cost the Irish
| taxpayer almost ¤40m, must have thought the Irish government was
| already telepathic. It refused to tell ministers how many people it
| employed, what they were paid, or to provide audited accounts.

This seems somewhat symptomatic for the whole so-called new media cyberkitsch,
and I wouldn't be too sad if these were the signs of its ultimate collapse and
vanishing. I wouldn't be surprised if in one or two decades, people will 
consider
new media retrofuturist camp, just as cybernetics before.

-F

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nettime Fernanda G. Weiden on women in free software

[Florian Cramer]

[Culled from

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050911153013536, which also
includes user comments on the paper. According to Groklaw, Fernanda G.
Weiden http://people.softwarelivre.org/~fernanda/ works for IBM Brazil
and is the founder of the initiative Projeto Software Livre Mulheres,
member of the Free Software Foundation, a Debian developer and activist
in the Debian Women project.  -F]

*

Women in Free Software

 ~ by Fernanda Weiden

The gender issue in the Free Software community is a big paradox:
we have a community of volunteers teaching the world how to develop
technology in a different way, one willing to distribute equal
opportunities through free access to the software, and at the same time
a community in which more than 50% of the total world population doesn't
participate.

A couple of studies have been done about female participation on
technology, and they suggest numbers of around 20% ^1 in most countries,
measuring such things as the number of women enrolling in IT courses
like computer science at university, for instance.

What hasn't been studied is a different phenomenon, even worse numbers
when the IT career in question is Free Software. The number of female
developers is around 1.5% in general, and in some communities like
Debian, it is 0.5%. What are the reasons for the lack of women in the
Free Software community? I have some ideas.

When they try to integrate into the user/developers groups of the Free
Software community, most women find barriers, mainly related to two
diametrically opposed behaviors: either they will be treated as the most
loved person in the group, over treating them, or they will be victims
of sexist attacks, jokes or dating approachs.

These behaviors make 50% ^2 of the women who try to join the community
in the end decide not to. It's not unusual for a woman to receive a
invitation to a date as the answer to her technical question, just
as it's not difficult to receive other questions as: *do you have a
boyfriend?* or *can you send me a picture?*.  Because of that, women
tend to keep a little distance from the community, from the exchange of
knowledge and experience, and stay merely an observer in the communities
in which they participate.

The main problem with that is that in Free Software, the user/developers
discussion groups and mailing list play an important and special role,
since the community increases its knowledge and makes their technique
and software better based on knowledge sharing.

Another important point is that Free Software development is often
done as a hobby, just for fun, and in one's spare time. Where is a
woman's spare time? After their working day, most of them still have the
second working journey, which is at home, taking care of the home, the
children and her husband. If the men can have the privilege of doing
Free Software in their spare time, sitting in front of the computer and
having some fun coding what they want, women in general don't have this
privilege.

All these things end up in missed opportunities for women and for the
Free Software community, because both will never have the opportunity to
access this knowledge which could be crucial for improving some software
or other idea.

People write software to meet their needs, to make software do what
they want. If women don't participate in writing code and writing
documentation, they will never have the results and the answer for their
needs.  That's how it is. Those who merely watch have no influence on
driving development, and the consequence is not having software that
just precisely what you want it to do.

Another issue I see. Women also usually require too much of themselves,
because they have a natural insecurity which results in less women
participating in technical discussions, for instance. It's the old
feeling of *I don't know enough to join this discussion. I'll let the
experts talk.*

Some time ago, I was in an event attending a talk about VPN (Virtual
Private Network) with ipsec. I never had submitted a paper to talk about
this subject because I felt I hadn't mastered the subject sufficiently
to be able to teach other people. After listening the speaker talking
for 30 minutes to 100 people more or less, though, it was impossible to
keep quiet and not say to him that he was spreading wrong information
to the people there. And it's not so unusual in meetings around here
to hear misinformation. I say that, even though I still think that I
haven't enough knowledge to give a talk on VPN with ipsec. The man
didn't either, though, and it didn't stop him at all.

Women need to enpower themselves with the hacker spirit, which is
the spirit of sharing knowledge and ideas.  They need to be aware
that particularly for Free Software, all the ideas, small or big,
cloudy or brilliant, are important to be merged and put together with
other ideas to compose the end product -- the Free Software which
we develop. Software per se 

Re: nettime 99 trillion errors: a short reply to Florian Cramer

[Florian Cramer]

Am Donnerstag, 04. August 2005 um 23:37:31 Uhr (+0100) schrieb wayne clements:

 page and picked from ten alternatives. From ten alternatives for the
 twelve sonnet lines, 10 [to the twelfth] possible poem combinations
 result.

Indeed it's fourteen lines and 10^14 combinations, thanks for the
correction. 

-F

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Re: nettime Benjamin Mako Hill on Creative Commons

[Florian Cramer]

Am Samstag, 30. Juli 2005 um 21:42:03 Uhr (+0200) schrieb august:
 
 Freedom needs standards?  Even freedom isn't free anymore?

That for sure is the quasi-Goedelian paradox of freedom, it can't
describe itself with its own means. If you don't pin down or define
[i.e. limit] freedom, than the term has no meaning anymore. If the
concept of freedom were radically and ontologically free in the sense
you suggest, then it would include for example fascism as one of its
options.

 Why is that when I hear advocates arguing the efficient definition of
 freedom as it pertains to software distribution, I think of George
 Bush, the wars on terror, and NAFTA?

Because the left and right have undergone strange mutations in the past
few years. Today, the political right speaks of freedom, using an
originally left-wing concept from the French revolution (liberté,
égalité, fraternité), while the political left has turned into
believers in the law and the state, preferring a legalistic term like
rights to anarchic freedom.

 Ok, we understand already that the GPL licence makes restrictions on
 what one can or cannot do with a piece of software code.  

The reverse is true. It grants additional freedoms/liberal uses that
exceed the standard fair use rights granted by copyright law. Neither
the GPL, nor any other free software/open source/open content license
impose any additional restrictions to default copyright.  Of course,
with its prohibition against deriving non-free works from free works,
the GPL is more restrictive than the BSD and MIT license or the public
domain. But since copyright defaults neither to BSD licensing, nor the
public domain, calling the GPL restrictive is a red herring. 

 for instance, Mako says this:
 
  Free Software's fundamental document is Richard Stallman's Free Software
  Definitions (FSD) [3]. At its core, the FSD lists four freedoms:
 
   * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose;
   * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to
 your needs;
   * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor;
   * The freedom to improve the program, and release your
  improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits;
 
 
 why does he insist that these are freedoms and not rights or abilities?
 why doesn't it read:
 
   * the right to run the program for any purpose;
   * the right to study how the program works, and adapt it
   * the right to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor
   * the right to improve (or fuck up) the program, and release it

I suppose there is a simple terminological reason for that: A right can
be granted by a legislator, not by individuals. As an individual, I
can't grant you any additional rights, but I can only give you a
permission (=license) that exceeds your legal rights. The sense of this
permission is that other people may use your work more freely. Hence the
aim is more user freedom. I fail to see what's wrong with that.

 For users of FLOSS software, these freedoms are probably all they have
 to worry about.  Unfortunately, when you program FLOSS software, for the
 most part, you are also dealing with another set of freedoms:
 
   * the freedom to find some other way to pay the rent 
   while you program the code or:
   * the necessity to have free time to program it.

This is an entirely different can of worms from the aforementioned four
freedoms because your two freedoms don't concern the user, but solely
the creator of the code. 

 The GPL addresses the use and distribution of what is produced, not
 the production itself.  

Because you can't regulate production and fix capitalism through a license.

 The CC licenses, however, try to provide some protections for the
 producers of content by providing non-commercial clauses.  

Which is a bogus advantage. We had this discussion in Nettime before,
and the common sense was that the concept of commerce implied in those
clauses is neither defined nor clear at all. If our exchange would be
printed in a Nettime book, and the book was for sale even if it made no
profit or even losses for the publishers, it would be still a
commercial distribution and hence not allow the inclusion of material
licensed with this clause. This would even be the case if it were
published on a CD-ROM sold for 50 cents, or in exchange for a blank CD
medium. 

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Re: nettime Benjamin Mako Hill on Creative Commons

[Florian Cramer]

What an excellent, spot-on critique of Creative Commons. 

 Creative Commons advocates, directors, and supporters increasingly 
 describe the project as an attempt to apply the principles of Free 
 Software, appropriately adapted, to less technical forms of creative 
 expressions like music, writing, and the visual arts.

One further problem is that the whole notions of content and creative
expression are ill-defined. It's also questionable to differentiate them from
software. Why is software not a creative expression or content? Even if you 
put
aside fundamental discussions about the cultural semantics of software, you 
would
have to ignore experimental work that crosses the boundary between traditional
software/algorithms and traditional creative expression, such as generative
music and art, algorithmic poetry and artistic hacking. And even if you consider
that irrelevant, too, there remains the whole popular genre of computer games
which clearly belongs to both camps.

Instead of open content or creative commons, I would simply use the
term free information, respectively information freedom.

  * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose;
  * The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to 
your needs;
  * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor;
  * The freedom to improve the program, and release your 
 improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits;

These could be easily translated into:

* The freedom to use the work, for any purpose;
  [rendering non-commercial license clauses, as they had been criticized here
  in Nettime before, non-free]
* The freedom to redistribute copies so you can share with others;
* The freedom to study how the work is structured, and adapt it
  to your needs;
  [rendering among others DRM-encrypted information and verbatim copy
  licenses non-free]
* The freedom to release your adaptions to the public so that the whole 
community 
  benefits.
  [sticking with the more neutral term adapt seems to be better than
  the software engineering concept of improving]

As Benjamin Mako Hill rightly observes, Creative Commons currently only grants 
the
freedom of redistribution by default, and as the lowest common denominator of 
its
licenses. This is hardly sufficient for a - quote Lessig - free culture.

-F


A sidenote: The GNU GPL has been so powerful because it grants all four 
freedoms,
but prevents that free work is being exploited through proprietarization. In 
fact,
it can be used for so-called content, too. The only thing that is slightly
problematic is that the GPL refers to the licensed work as the program, not 
just
the work. This could be fixed in the next version of GPL. But unfortunately, 
the
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[Florian Cramer]

Am Freitag, 01. Juli 2005 um 18:53:51 Uhr (+0100) schrieb David M. Berry:
 
 These licenses are  written explicitly against the presuppositions and
 caveats of the  Creative Commons licenses which (un)consciously seek
 to use culture  as purely a resource. Instead these licenses are
 anti-licenses;  ethical frameworks or chromosomes of social practices.

I would have two other suggestions for people who want to make their work
freely available, but dislike CC:

- Use the GPL. In fact, the GPL can be used and has been used to license
  all kinds of works, not only computer programs. In the free software
  world, much documentation, visual artwork or audio is GPLed. The
  huge benefit of using the GPL in this way is that it allows a free reuse
  of works between different technical format and media. A GPLed piece
  of audio, for example, can be integrated into a computer program, a
  GPLed computer program can be reprinted as poetry in a GPLed book, a
  GPLed piece of writing can be reused in the online help system of
  a computer program etc.etc.. 

  A major disadvantage of the CC licenses is their incompatibility
  to the GPL. CC-licensed work cannot be reused in GPLed
  work [unless the copyright owner agrees that the work or parts of it
  are also distributed under the GPL]. A second disadvantage, which you
  pointed out in your earlier posting, is the multitude of CC licenses.
  It even impossible to share/copy'n'paste between projects released 
  under different CC licenses.

- Use the Free Art License http://www.artlibre.org which is older
  than CC, artistic in spirit and reflects that it was not written
  by lawyers with questionable or naive understandings of creativity.

Both the GPL and the Free Art License are, to use your wording, 
ethical frameworks. They don't naively conceive of culture
as a resource, but manifest a cultural politics.

Btw., all Creative Commons licenses were evaluated by the Debian project with 
the
conclucsion that they currently fail to fulfill the criteria of the Debian Free
Software Guidelines [widely recognized as the standard criteria for free 
licenses].
Since the Open Source Definition is based on the DFSG, the same should apply to 
the
CC licenses as Open Source; it might not be coincidental that no CC license is
listed on http://www.opensource.org/licenses/.


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Re: nettime GPL Version 3: Background to Adoption

[Florian Cramer]

Am Samstag, 11. Juni 2005 um 08:28:37 Uhr (-0700) schrieb ed phillips:
 Google and Amazon represent services as you said, and unless they
 redistribute their software, there is no conflict with the GPL.

Exactly that is likely to change with GPL v3, at least as an optional term of 
the
license. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1758753,00.asp quotes Richard
Stalmman on rewriting the GPL as follows:

The issue of Web services has to be considered, he said. Some in the community 
are
calling for a strong 'copyleft' license with code that is used and changed to be
returned to all. Others want the opposite.  I do not believe that we will be 
reach
consensus on this front, so I believe the license will have to accommodate 
options
as to the question of Web services, but this must be squared with the 
ideological
pursuit of freedom, he said.

See also:
http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2002/3/20/154118/890,
http://jamesclarke.info/notes/Gpl,
http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/12924/, 

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Re: nettime GPL Version 3: Background to Adoption

[Florian Cramer]

Am Donnerstag, 09. Juni 2005 um 23:03:33 Uhr (-0700) schrieb lotu5:
 
 Updating the GPL is therefore a very different task in 2005 than it
 was in 1991. The substantive reasons for revision, and the likely
 nature of those changes, are subject matter for another essay. At
 present we would like to concentrate on the institutional, procedural
 aspects of changing the license. Those are complicated by the fact
 that the GPL serves four distinct purposes.

What is very likely to change is the policy for web services, a blind spot of 
the GPL 2.0 since a long time. Today, the GPL only requires that
code which statically or dynamically links to GPLed code - for example, an 
application linking to a GPLed library - is released likewise under
the GPL.  However, if a GPLed program is exposed to the world not by classical 
linking, but through remote procedure calls, nothing is required.
This, in fact, is the loophole on which many proprietary web services build on 
GPL software, Google and Amazon probably being among them. If the
GPL version 3 will change that, expect interesting times in the Internet.

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Re: nettime What's the meaning of non-commercial?

[Florian Cramer]

Am Dienstag, 04. Januar 2005 um 22:43:41 Uhr (+0100) schrieb rasmus
fleischer:

 Personally, I'm astonished that so many people (including a large part
 of the net's copyfighters, and many nettimers too) by default put
 NonCommercial-licenses on every line of text they produce -- seemingly
 without a thought on what consequenses such that license may bring.

Yes, few people are aware that imposing the non-commercial restriction
on a licensed work makes it non-free in terms of the Free Software and
Open Source movements. The Free Software definition of the FSF/GNU
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html defines as the second of
its software freedoms 0-3 The freedom to redistribute copies so you can
help your neighbor. This includes the freedom of commercial
redistribution. Later on the same page, the text states that 'Free
software' does not mean 'non-commercial'. A free program must be
available for commercial use, commercial development, and commercial
distribution. Commercial development of free software is no longer
unusual; such free commercial software is very important.

The Open Source Definition
http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php and the Debian Free
Software Guidelines http://www.debian.org/social_contract define
similar permission under their point one, Free Redistribution.  The
Debian project explains why Free Software permits commercial
redistribution on http://www.debian.org/intro/free:

   This last point, which allows the software to be sold for money
   seems to go against the whole idea of free software. It is actually
   one of its strengths. Since the license allows free redistribution,
   once one person gets a copy they can distribute it themselves. They
   can even try to sell it.  In practice, it costs essentially no money
   to make electronic copies of software. Supply and demand will keep
   the cost down. If it is convenient for a large piece of software or
   an aggregate of software to be distributed by some media, such as CD,
   the vendor is free to charge what they like.  If the profit margin is
   too high, however, new vendors will enter the market and competition
   will drive the price down. As a result, you can buy a Debian release
   on several CDs for just a few USD.


Wikipedia defines as commerce the exchange of something of value
between two entities. That 'something' may be goods, services,
information, money, or anything else the two entities consider to have
value. In negative terms, any distribution that is not a gift is
commercial. That even includes copying a Linux CD for someone else for
50 cent in order to cover the cost of the CD-R. It also includes, for
example, the inclusion of an essay published in the Internet into a
print book or magazine (like the Nettime reader) that is being sold for
a price, even if it's an underground publication that makes no profit or
the sales of which don't cover production costs. Even for such a
non-profit publication, a work licensed under non-commercial terms
couldn't be freely used, but would require an additional permit by the
author/creator. If the work is a collective creation, for example from a
Wiki, the authors of which can't be traced, then it would be impossible
to legally reprint the text in such a publication.

 
 Mikael Pawlo: WHAT IS THE MEANING OF NON-COMMERCIAL?

[...]

 Commercial television is also available. Commercial television may not use 
 content that is licensed under the Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 
 2.0 license, that is rather evident. 

It may use it, but just as with standard copyright, only through
obtaining permission from the author (which, as explained above, can be
sometimes difficult or impossible). 

 But may Swedish public service 
 television do it? The commercial channels to compete with public service 
 television over the public's attention. Further, commercial messages are 
 broadcasted even in public service, although not by using commercials, but 
 by using sponsored by--billboards and product placement. Is this the 
 kind of use that Creative Commons would like to endorse with its drafting? 

The problem might be even worse. I read that Swedish public television is
financed, like the BBC in England, through a television license fee (and
not by fundraising like for example public broadcasting in the USA).
That makes it a commercial service that can be received only via
payment. 

 Probably, but I can not be certain, one is looking for a less commercial 
 environment. Perhaps a school or a strict hobby, in the basement, 
 not-for-profit environment. 

That seems to be the main flaw in the non-commercial wording, a
confusion of non-commercial and non-profit. Most non-profit projects
are commercial in the sense that they charge money. That would even
apply to say, a teenage garage band that would play cover versions of
songs released under Creative Commons Licenses, but charge $2 entrance
fee to reimburse its transportation and rental expenses. 

But even a 

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$ascii{$j}; else $out .= $str{$i++}; $j++; } else { $out .=
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:17:58 -0400 (EDT)




radio objects (thanks to Florian Cramer)


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unstable.ob elsif (/^ob .ob /) {
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unstable.ob ob /radio playlist.
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unstable.ob push @ob _line, $_;
unstable.ob # play later singer  ob  info to database
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($x+1), '',txt2entities($ob _line[$x]), /abr\n;
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Re: nettime A 'licensing fee' for GNU/Linux?

[Florian Cramer]

Am Samstag, 07. August 2004 um 15:35:24 Uhr (+0200) schrieb Felix Stalder:
 Well, actually, the story of the GIF patent controversy is exactly the oher
 way around and fits perfectly into my argument about differences between
 proprietary and FOSS in terms of risk exposure in the coming patent mess.

[...]

 As he continued to explain, all of the major proprietary packages (Adobe
 Corel etc) had licensed the patented technology and hence users where
 entitled make as many .gif images as they wanted for whatever purpose. What
 they were after were people who used programs that had not licensed the
 patents, which were mainly freeware (though sometimes this freeware was
 distributed as part of commercial software) and FOSS programs (though the
 played a minor role back then in the field of graphic design).

I still fail to follow your logic. If you used a free program like
ImageMagick [which btw. already played a major role back then as a backend
for server-side image generation and manipulation] or The Gimp to produce
GIFs, you got sued.  If you used a proprietary program [whether non-FOSS
freeware or commercial] whose authors hadn't licensed LZW from Unisys,
you - and not the authors - got sued, too. The proprietary license did
_not_, as you wrote in your initial posting, save you, the user, from
legal risks, i.e. it did _not_ ensure that the program author got sued
instead of you, the user.

So whether you use free or proprietary software, your risk of getting sued
has nothing to do with the type of the license, but solely depends on the
respective proactive care taken by the creator of the program.  Adobe
licensed LZW, Debian on the contrary removed GIF support in its Gimp
packages to turn risk away from its users.

Since there exist myriads of software patents for almost anything from
one-click-orders to content management systems, no software creator and
distributor (regardless whether Debian or Adobe) will ever be able to
guarantee that nobody else won't sue your, the user's, ass. Welcome to the
new economy of post-material capitalism!

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Re: nettime A 'licensing fee' for GNU/Linux?

[Florian Cramer]

Am Freitag, 06. August 2004 um 23:44:53 Uhr (+0200) schrieb Felix Stalder:

 This applies to all kinds of software, proprietary as well as
 free/open source. From a user's point of view, there is, however, a
 crucial differences. With proprietary software, the company from which
 the software is licensed assumes all responsibility and the user has
 no worries beyond the licensing fees.

Felix, sorry if I sound rude, but this is not true, and you
unintentionally spread FUD here!

Proprietary licensing does _not_ protect customers from patent ligitation,
unless the license contract explicitly states so. Software patents can be
and have been enforced against users/licensees of proprietary software,
too. Unisys' enforcement of the LZW/GIF patent, with its legal action
against websites that used GIF images in 1999 (see
http://lpf.ai.mit.edu/Patents/Gif/Gif.html) is a prominent example.

The suspension of Munich Linux project, which was made to alarm the public
about future risks for free software through software patenting in the EU,
was therefore dangerously dumb shoot-yourself-into-the-foot PR which did
nothing but play into the hands of the proprietary software industry.

-F

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Re: nettime The Limits of Networking

[Florian Cramer]

Quoting Alex Galloway and Eugene Thacker:

 Protocol abounds in techno-culture. It is a totalizing control apparatus
 that guides both the technical and political formation of computer
 networks, biological systems and other media. 

[...]

The problem with the word protocol seems to me that computer science has
given it a meaning quite different from common English. Other examples are
the words transparent (which is used in software design in practically
opposite sense to common understanding, as a mapping of two or more
different symbolic systems into a simulated one, like the transparent
access of FTP servers directly in a desktop PC file manager), code (used
not in the common sense of codifying system, but as codified symbols),
interpretation (understood in the C.S. as the formal
execution/translation of an instruction at runtime, whereas in philosophy,
literary studies and music interpretation it means non-formal translation
of [instructive or non-instructive] signs), and so on.

What computer science and network engineering call protocol could just
as well, or better perhaps, be named [a simple, formal] language because
they simply serve the purpose that two connected entities can talk to each
other. Yet another word, which you use yourself, is standard. It is a
virtue of the Internet that its standards are open and designed to be as
agnostic to the information transported as possible; it seems to me that
preserving this design (with DRM schemes, patents etc. on the horizon) is
the issue rather than, as you at the end of the paper, pushing the
protocols.


Of course it is right to say that protocols, standards, languages or
whatever we call them are systems of control in the sense of what
theoreticians such as Lacan and Foucault have called symbolic order or
discourse; if this applies to common human language, it no doubt applies
to formal languages as well. But in praxis, it boils down to the question
how the standard is designed, i.e. how much freedom it allows and who
controls it in which way, see Lawrence Lessig's analysis of the Internet
vs. AOL.

But as with any play, consisting of a ruleset and its free execution,
control is never total to the extent that it wouldn't permit freedom, a
paradox best seen in Oulipo writing with its self-imposed formal
restraints (like: writing a novel without a single occurence of the letter
e, as Perec's La Disparition). Freedom and control thus are not
mutually exclusive, but mutually dependent on each other. To envision
communication systems without control - i.e. languages without rules,
networks without protocols - and find them desirable, would be utterly an
infantilist vision of a pre-language paradise. (And to read Freud, Lacan
or Foucault in this way, would be no less naive.)

 Put simply, protocols are all the conventional rules and standards
 that govern relationships within networks.

Yes, but the reality is more complex because network protocols can be
layered onto each other and thus used in quite unpredictable ways.

To stick with the example of the Internet, it would be false to assume
that because http is a hypertext transportation protocol, it would force
everything under its totalizing control apparatus (to quote your paper)
into hypertext format. - The counter-examples are abundant and well-known,
but even topped by the fact that any imaginable network language can, with
the right software tools, be steganographically tunnelled through http,
just as you can subvert the totalizing control system English by using
it merely as a cryptographical container for a text written, for example,
in the cosmic Zaum language of futurist poet Velemir Chlebnikov - apart
from the fact that you can still use it to write novels like Joyce's
Ulysses, or in the case of http, web sites like www.jodi.org.

 
 We need only remind ourselves of the military
 backdrop of WWII mainframe computing and the Cold War context of ARPAnet,
 to suggest that networks are not ahistorical entities.

Yet the history is more complex as popular media history reductionism
tells it. The Arpanet/Internet was funded by the military, but designed by
academics - many of them with hippie backgrounds - who used the rhetoric
of the nuclear-strike resistence to get the money for it.  Today, you
probably have to write something about e-commerce opportunities in a
globalized world or terrorist-proof network design if you run a C.S.
lab and want a grant for your work. (Or, if you do humanities research on
the subject, don't miss to write the word interdisciplinary cultural
research into your application letter, at least here in Germany.)

 and so forth. What we end up with is a *metaphysics of networks*. The

Agreed, for which to not a small extent Deleuze/Guattari and their popular
perception must be blamed. An aspect of D/G where most clearly their
indebtedness to vitalist philosophy [and hence right-wing philosophy]
shines through. I wonder if that critique could be applied to the

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[Florian Cramer]

Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:28:21 +0100
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gallerinor har shina opp:
http://www.nb.no/gallerinor/e_sok.php
noen h=F8ydepunkt:
buksedama fra gol -
http://www.nb.no/cgi-bin/galnor/gn_sok.sh?id=3D135020skjema=3D2fm=3D4
mykologen Sopp (?) -
http://www.nb.no/cgi-bin/galnor/gn_sok.sh?id=3D62864skjema=3D2fm=3D4

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nettime unstable digest vol 80

[Florian Cramer]

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longto space myself ? it?s
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Subject: _pl[mi]asma_lob[bing]otomies_   11:45pm 23/02/2004
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[Florian Cramer]

[Screwed linebreaks of the original posting fixed, otherwise forwarded
as in the original. -F]

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From: ariel authier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [rohrpost] Fw: textz.com copy adorno, go to jail?

COPY, COPY, CPOY, COPY, COPY, COPYA, COPIA


Copy Adorno, Go To Jail? Textz.com Doesn't Think So

The Hamburg Foundation for the Advancement of Science and Culture,
presided by Jan Philipp Reemtsma, has just advanced science and culture
to a whole new level: Sebastian Luetgert, the founder of textz.com, is
facing a warrant of arrest and may go to jail if he fails to pay more
than 2,300 euros in damages for the alleged copying of two essays by
Theodor W. Adorno that the foundation claims as their intellectual
property. Reemtsma was kindly asked to settle, but refused.

The case dates back to August 2002, when the foundation filed for a
preliminary injunction against Luetgert at the Hamburg State Court,
referring to the alleged distibution of two works by Theodor W. Adorno,
Jargon der Eigentlichkeit and Fascism and Anti-Semitic Propaganda.
Since not a single e-mail was sent to notify textz.com of the matter,
and since written notification failed to reach the defendant, textz.com
only learned about the issue after a few days.  The works in question
were immediately removed from the site to avoid any further legal
hassles.

In December 2003, Luetgert found himself confronted with a warrant of
arrest, obtained against him by the Hamburg Foundation, citing unpaid
claims related to the unauthorized copying of said works. In January
2004, Luetgert addressed the issue in a letter to Reemtsma and asked for
a scholarship so he could pay this debt and avoid jail time. Reemtsma
did not reply, but handed the letter over to his foundation's lawyers -
Senfft, Kersten, Voss-Andreae  Schwenn - who insist on the payment of
2,331.32 Euros for alleged damages and legal fees.

Textz.com believes that an intellectual proprietor of Theodor W.
Adorno and Walter Benjamin who claims to advance science and culture by
sending people to jail for taking Adorno and Benjamin serious is
seriously wrong on a whole number of points. The Hamburg Foundation
undererstimates the resistance of their possessions against their legal
protection just as much as their lawyers underestimate the ability of
the Internet to route around damage. In the end, they may even be wrong
in thinking that they will ever get their property back.

Today, in an open letter (http://textz.com/adorno/open_letter.txt),
Reemtsma has been notified that his foundation's intellectual property
has been returned to the public domain. This first-of-its-kind protest
signals a refusal to let copyright holders and lawyers censor the very
works they pretend to protect and control what the public can archive or
read. There is a universal right to copy that will never cease to apply,
and there is copyright legislation that will.  The spectre haunting the
scientific and cultural industries is a new commons materializing before
their very own eyes. We're just at the beginning.

Textz.com
February 24, 2004

http://textz.com
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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How you can support textz.com:

- Spread the word. Tell your friends, tell a journalist, write about it,
  put it on a website, post it to a mailing list, etc. Textz.com is also
  available for interviews, just mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Sign our petition at http://textz.com/adorno/petition.html.

- Write a letter to Jan Philipp Reemtsma, Hamburg Foundation for the
  Advancement of Science and Culture, Mittelweg 36, 20148 Hamburg,
  Germany. If you like, send a copy of your letter to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Donate to textz.com via http://textz.com/adorno/donate.html.

- Buy a copy of Robert Luxemburg's The Conceptual Crisis of Private
  Property as a Crisis in Practice (http://textz.com/crisis). All
  proceedings will go to textz.com's fund for legal expenses.

- Put our Free Adorno banner (http://textz.com/adorno/banner.gif) on
  your website, and/or link to http://textz.com/adorno.

- Meet textz.com at Neuro Festival, February 26-29, Munich, Germany
  (check http://neuro.kein.org for details) and join our discussion
  about further strategies in this case.

- Select all, copy, paste, save, upload, share. Reappropriate. (And
  remember: there is no need to break what you can circumvent. Don't
  innovate, imitate.)

--

Related links:

Documentation of our correnspondence:
http://textz.com/adorno/documentation.de.txt
http://textz.com/adorno/documentation.en-babelfish.txt

Press coverage:
http://textz.com/adorno/press.txt

Open Letter to Jan Philipp Reemtsma:
http://textz.com/adorno/open_letter.txt

The Work of Art in the Age of Digital Reproduction:
http://textz.com/adorno/work_of_art.txt

Franz Kafka on 

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[Florian Cramer]

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ISBN 82-92428-08-9



Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:55:02 -0800
From: achit!quasimodoyokai+qmul(e) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Free Art Shares
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]







3 'True' PRTSCN desktopcollages.

clausebarbi.jpg=20
grandragon.jpg=20
killyourchildren.jpg





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:09:55 +0100
From: Ars Publica [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Free Art Shares
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

ie priceless
PRTSCLENSSclashes.
Gk drák?n kind of serpent, prob. orig. epithet, the (sharp-)sighted one,
akin to dérkesthai to look


 3 'True' PRTSCN desktopcollages.

  clausebarbi.jpg
  grandragon.jpg
  killyourchildren.jpg

D trouw, G treu, ON tryggr, Goth triggws



Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:10:56 +0100
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Subject: hangman nikuko by extension
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] Sh[r]edding
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Re: nettime Re: [0100101110110101.ORG] FOR SALE

[Florian Cramer]

Nuria, 

thanks for pointing out potential sources of confusion. There is only
one thing I have to disagree with:

 This news is very funny... but fake! Check the 0s and 1s:

Why is it fake? The relatedness of the 0100101110110101.org project to
my person is well known and published since spring 2001, among others,
in http://www.rhizome.org/object.rhiz?2559. 

The announcement never was about anything else but 0100101110110101.org,
a site which featured independent work like A Self-Interview of
.0100101110110101.org, Dates and Opensourcing rhizome.org.  

The text announcing the sale of 0100101110110101.org doesn't contain any
claims about 0100101110101101.org, which is a project independent from
0100101110110101.org. 

-F

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[Florian Cramer]

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:11:41 -0700
From: Palafax Solipsigossa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Talk Talk--a generative text and music game/lifestyle tool!


Bug Report:

MSVBVM60.DLL not found.



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Subject: E.wolfing
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:03:42 +1000

09:54pm 23/10/2003


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http://www.livejournal.com/users/netwurker/
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:40:29 +0200
From: noemata [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: index

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From: Alan Sondheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: more
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:48:09 -0400 (EDT)




More


Network 1:  jetblue  BSSID: Network
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probe Carrier 802.11b Info None Channel 00
WEP No Maxrate 11.0 LLC 32 Data 0 Crypt
Weak Total First First Thu Thu Oct Oct 16
16 09:25:36 09:25:36 20032003 Last Last
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Sun Oct 26 21:30:56 2003


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Subject: your feedback sucks big time
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Subject: bubbluefluvia
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[Florian Cramer]

muse apprentice guild
--expanding the canon into the 21st century
www.muse-apprentice-guild.com

culture animal
--following in the footsteps of tradition
www.cultureanimal.com



Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:00:30 +0200
From: noemata [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ?_cursor?_

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:09:09 +0200
From: noemata [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: xwan song

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Re: nettime Linux strikes back III

[Florian Cramer]

Am Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2003 um 09:42:58 Uhr (-0700) schrieb Morlock Elloi:
 
 I take issue with a Good Cop principle. There is no such thing - if
 you want to use so-called legal system and IP property laws you become
 just one of the parties that help maintain the whole thing, enriching
 lawyers and leaders along the way. OS is created by many and the
 cause/ideology exploited by a small fraction of loud ones. Exploited
 in $, celebrity status and attention grabbing sense.

I don't see how lawyers and leaders get enriched by a case like FSF
vs. Linksys. Eben Moglen works as a pro-bono-legal counsellor (i.e.
without payment) for the FSF which itself operates as a
non-profit-organization on a shoestring budget, orders of magnitude
smaller than that of - for example - Rhizome. And the fact that
negotations with coroporate GPL infringers are usually done in a
diplomatic behind-the-scenes way contradicts your diagnosis of
attention grabbing and celebrity status. (And Moglen and Kuhn can
hardly be called celebrities, not even in Free Software circles.)

Aside from that, I find it a bit ironic that you post your statement to
a list with the following footer: 
 
 #  distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission

What does that line mean if not using the so-called legal system and IP
property laws?

To use an analogy to the Linksys/FSF case: What would you do if some 
corporate publisher would release a book on Internet culture based on
Nettime postings - including your own ones -, but without (a)
acknowledging the source and (b) without having asked anyone for
permission? Would you mind if, for example, Felix or Ted as the Nettime
moderators would enter negotiations with that company, proposing (just
as the FSF did) an amicable settlement to the effect that the contents
of the book must be made freely available in the Internet?

-F

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Re: nettime Linux strikes back III

[Florian Cramer]

Am Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2003 um 11:48:53 Uhr (-0700) schrieb Morlock Elloi:
 
  A gentle proposition given that the product was in breach with the GPL.
  Alternatively, the FSF could have asked to revoke all Linksys routers
  from the market and pay, say $10 compensation for each unit already
  sold. (In other words: $4M which could be used, for example, to pay
  Linus Torvalds the next ten or twenty years for Linux kernel
  development.)
 
 The whole FSF/GPL thing is silly, and the above illustrates that - it all
 simply boils down to money. FSF/GPL messiahs captured the imagination of many,
 and as any other religion got a lots of free work done, and then capitalized on
 that big time.
 
 Why should FSF be paid ? Or L.Torvalds ? Because they appear on TV ?

Well, they didn't ask for $4M (as in my hypothetical scenario, and as
any commercial software company would have done whose licenses had been
breached), but for releasing the modified code in public. So I don't
know what you take issue with?!

-F

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Re: nettime Linux strikes back III

[Florian Cramer]

Am Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2003 um 09:56:37 Uhr (+0200) schrieb Martin Hardie:

 In the light of the SCO stuff some may find this report of use ...

It's an incredible piece of FUD written by a journalist who is known as
a Free Software hater.  The text has been properly debunked in the
following Slashdot discussion:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/14/1317251mode=flattid=117tid=99.

 
 The Lindon, Utah, company has outraged Linux lovers by suing IBM (nyse:
 IBM - news - people ), claiming IBM stole Unix code and put it into Linux.

The opening sentence alone is not correct. SCO does not own
Unix. Unix is a trademark of the Open Group (formerly: X/Open). 
An operating system can be legally called Unix when it passes the Open
Group Unix certification process which itself checks the compliance of
an operating system to the Single Unix Specification published by the
Open Group.  

The term Unix does not refer to specific code, or, technically
speaking, to a specific implementation of the Single Unix Specification.
What SCO does own, via a history of sales, company buy-outs and
re-brandings, is the copyrights to the (quite ancient) Unix System V
sourcecode originally developed by the ATT Bell Labs. 

And finally, the SCO vs. IBM case is not about copyright, but about
contract law.
 
 For months, in secret, the Free Software Foundation, a Boston-based group
 that controls the licensing process for Linux and other free programs,

The FSF doesn't control the licensing process of the GPL, but is the
author of that license and acts, if developers wish it, as a legal
enforcement organization for GPL compliance. While the FSF and Richard
Stallman are very vocal in their Free Software evangelism, issues with
GPL non-compliance (i.e. companies that released GPLed code with 
proprietary, non-published extensions or modifications) are normally
being settled in a rather quiet, diplomatic matter.

 has been making threats to Cisco Systems (nasdaq: CSCO - news - people )
 and Broadcom (nasdaq: BRCM - news - people ) over a networking router that
 runs the Linux operating system.
 
 The router is made by Linksys, a company Cisco acquired in June. It lets
 you hook computers together on a wireless Wi-Fi network, employing a
 high-speed standard called 802.11g. Aimed at home users, the $129 device
 has been a smash hit, selling 400,000 units in the first quarter of this
 year alone.
 
 But now there's a problem. The Linux software in the router is distributed
 under the GNU General Public License (GPL), which the Free Software
 Foundation created in 1991.
 
 Under the license, if you distribute GPL software in a product, you must
 also distribute the software's source code. And not just the GPL code, but
 also the code for any derivative works you've created--even if
 publishing that code means anyone can now make a knockoff of your product.

Get that twisted logic of the writer? To get things straight:

- Cisco/Broadcom got, thanks to Linux and the GPL, the operating system
  for their wireless router not only free, but also with sourcecode and 
  the right to customize it for their own needs, without paying license fees
  for any of these rights. If they instead had to license a proprietary 
  OS for embedded devices - like QNX or Windows CE -, they wouldn't have been 
  able to sell their product at $129, making it a smash hit, selling 
  400,000 units. Indeed, this is a perfect example of how Free Software
  helps capitalism.

- All that the GPL asks for in turn is that additions or modifications
  of the free code used must also be made free. In fact, this clause
  even helps companies using and releasing GPLed code, because it means
  that no competitor can take the code and modify or extend into a 
  proprietary product (like Microsoft did with Kerberos, which was
  released under the BSD license and therefore could be used for
  proprietary code).

 Not great news if you're Cisco, which paid $500 million for Linksys. In

If they paid the $500 million for Linksys' software expertise or
supposed intellectual property without researching in advance that the
Linksys simply runs Linux as its router firmware, then it's Cisco's own
stupidity to pay so much.

 
 For several months, officials from the Free Software Foundation have been
 quietly pushing Cisco and Broadcom for a resolution. According to Free
 Software Foundation Executive Director Bradley Kuhn, the foundation is
 demanding that Cisco and Broadcom either a) rip out all the Linux code in
 the router and use some other operating system, 

A gentle proposition given that the product was in breach with the GPL.
Alternatively, the FSF could have asked to revoke all Linksys routers
from the market and pay, say $10 compensation for each unit already
sold. (In other words: $4M which could be used, for example, to pay
Linus Torvalds the next ten or twenty years for Linux kernel
development.)

 or b) make their code
 available to the entire world.

The writer 

nettime unstable digest vol 68

[Florian Cramer]

 + aD/ 'to be agree + come'
  2.. /pärdesi/ 'foreigner'
  /pärde + si/ 'curtains + sew (imp.)'

YOu Must pUt dowN MOti STag
and Seventy Hundred Windows
Gorakh Nath Gorakh Baba Nath Baba King Bharthari Panvar of Dhara Nagar
You muSt rEalize BhaRthari
YOu Must realiZe BhArthari
Honored King, I killed hiM But Listen
listen that harmless life, listen to my news,
gam 'village/villages' raja 'king/kingschoro 'boy'chora 'boys'ghoRo 'horse'ghoRa 
'horseschori 'girl'choriã 'girls'kitab 'book'  kitabã 'bookschoro'boy'morio 
'peacockchori 'girl'ghoRi 'marerajästhanäN 'Rajasthani woman'sãnsäN 'Sansi 
womankagät(m.) 'paper'jämat(f.) 'class'
He sprinkled it with drops of the elixir of life,
you mUst realize Bharthari, you made seventy HundreD WinDows ToDaY,
Listen Panvar, you must realize
He took off the shEet
GorakH BabA made Bharthari take off the sheet
SteP thrU the Seventy Hundred MOti STag Windows
But Listen

  N Po
  N choro 
  O chorE 
  A chorE+ nE/ku nE/ku
  I chorE + su~ su~
  A chorE + su~ su~
  P chorE + ko/ki/ka ko(ms.)/ki(fs/p.)/ka (mp.)
  Lo chorE + mE/pär mE/pär
  Vo o chora 


Why Did You Kill the Animal pUt dowN with elixir of life,
that harmless life, listen to my news,
Gorakh Nath Gorakh Baba Nath
Put down the Deer, KINg
and Go to my City of Ujjain
and give it to Qu:een PinG[ala].***
{I have one of her nanoseconds that she used to
give away after her lectures. That should date me.}

+||+||+++||+++

Voices and Musicians:
Group of Rajasthani musicians, camel fair, Pushkar
Kamal Kothari's group of Rajasthani musicians, Jodhpur
Sitar, played by Arun Patak in music shop, Old Delhi
Situ Singh-Bühler, mezzo soprano, Delhi
Snake Charmer, Lodi Gardens, Delhi
Sarangi player, Madore Park, Jodhpur
Vendor, Janak Puri, Delhi
Young boy singing, camel fair, Pushkar, Rajasthan





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Re: nettime A Puff Piece on Wikipedia (Fwd)

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Dear Florian,  

Not surprsingly, I disagree strongly w/ the responding 
person's take on this.  
However, this isn't important enough to me 
for me to spend any further time on it 
so this may be my last word on the subject.  
Feel free to also forward this if so inclined.
 
 While the alterations made are surely a matter of opinion or
 perspective: 

As are the original comments re JHU.  
The difference, perhaps, is that the original comments 
POSE as 'objectivity'. 

 If someone 'messes' with 'my' wiki in a similar way I'd
 also re-edit it.  

On the other hand, the potential strength of Wikipedia 
is its openness.  The question is:  
Are the entries made by anyone who wishes to 
or are they kept to one viewpoint only?  
It's not just an issue of re-editing, 
it's an issue of completely removing content 
that the re-editor presumably found objectionable 
to their skew.  
The anon changes didn't REMOVE any of the text 
that they were responding to.  
They simply responded to it in a way intended to 
to give a more well-rounded view of JHU 
 by using a language unacceptable to 
the pseudo-objectivity of the puff piece.  
Note that the commentator quoted above 
encloses the words 'messes'  'my' in apostrophes 
- presumably w/ the intent of questioning those 2 concepts.  
That's precisely the issue here.  
Wikipedia entries don't BELONG to anyone.  
Alterations to entries are not messing w/ them, 
they are legitimate partakings in the entry process.   
Any entries I might make to Wikipedia 
ARE open to the revisions of others 
- even if I disagree w/ them. 

 Specially the remark, that this was done within less than 30 minutes
 points more to the activity of a WikiGardener than to one of a person
 from the said instituion.
 
 You would not EARNESTLY (pardon me for shouting) believe, that a PR
 person from Johns Hopkins has nothing else to do than monitor a
 WikiPage several times an hour (even if by a script or
 changedetection.com or the likes) and re-edit it if necessary?

That's a good point.  The person may not be specifically 
employed by JHU.  However, they have a strong vested interest 
of some sort for making sure ONE opinion dominates 
on the subject w/in the Wikipedia context.  
  
 Before anyone indulges in paranoia they should just check the obvious:
 Someone writing about JHU every day would rather not want the stuff
 from the fyi-guy in there.

I find the above to be contradictory.  
The point is exactly that 
Someone writing about JHU every day would rather not want the stuff 
from the fyi-guy in there. 
SO, why is that paranoid?  
If Wikipedia is to be open to anyone's participation 
why is the opinion of the JHU person 
more important than the fyi-guy's?  
Because the JHU person represents an elite institution 
 the fyi-guy is speaking from the perspective 
of the impoverished community that JHU occupies 
such a privileged position w/in?
 
 IMO this quick re-edit is proof that the wiki-system (or: wikipedia)
 works: Any nonsense will quickly be removed ;)

Why is it nonsense?  
The point is that the JHU puff piece 
IS the nonsense 
 if it's not removed 
why shd any commentary about it be?


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nettime A Puff Piece on Wikipedia (Fwd)

[Florian Cramer]

Forwarded, with permission, from my friend tENTATIVELY, a cONVENIENCE. -
I think this raises interesting questions about the integrity and
politics of open content, collaborative online projects and knowledge
repositories.

-F

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Dear Florian,  

It appears that Wikipedia is used as an advertising outlet 
for elite institutions.  Note the alterations I made 
to the Johns Hopkins University entry below. 
I'm sure you'll be able to pick them out.  
They're only in the 1st paragraph.  
My additions were replaced w/in 23 minutes!  
I suspect that a PR person for JHU monitors  polices 
all content relevant to them.  

Johns Hopkins University

(Revision as of 15:54, 24 Sep 2003) 

The Johns Hopkins University is an elite institution of higher learning
located in Baltimore, Maryland. As such, it is known to some as The
Plantation. Most of its students are rich people being groomed for
ruling elite positions who are blissfully ignorant of the extremely
impoverished conditions that surround their highly privileged
environment. Their wealth helps drastically escalate the rents beyond
the means of working people. The university opened February 22, 1876,
with the stated goal of The encouragement of research ... and the
advancement of individual scholars, who by their excellence will advance
the sciences they pursue, and the society where they dwell. (first
President Daniel Coit Gilman). It is named for Johns Hopkins, who left
seven million dollars (ill-gotten gains from gun running during the
Civil War) in his 1867 will for the foundation of The Johns Hopkins
University and The Johns Hopkins Hospital. Johns Hopkins was the first
research university in the United States, founded on the model of German
research institutions. As such, it was the first American university to
offer an undergraduate major (as opposed to a purely liberal arts
curriculum), and the first American university to grant doctoral
degrees. 

The university was designed from the start to marry scholarship and
research, and graduate education has always been paramount. Students at
Johns Hopkins are encouraged to pursue original research at the
undergraduate and graduate levels, and nearly 80% of Johns Hopkins
undergrads produce research by the time of graduation. The School of
Medicine is highly revered, and the Bloomberg School of Public Health is
renowned for contributions worldwide to preventive medicine and the
health of large populations. The Johns Hopkins School of Advanced
International Studies, located in Washington D.C. is recognized as a
world leader in international affairs, diplomacy and government studies.
The university offers education internationally through centers in
China, Singapore and Italy. Johns Hopkins receives more federal research
grants than any other university, and operates the Applied Physics
Laboratory which specializes in nuclear research for the Department of
Defense. Johns Hopkins also offers superior undergraduate programs based
at the Homewood campus in Baltimore: The Zanvyl Krieger School of Arts 
Sciences and the G.W.C. Whiting School of Engineering, which contribute
to Johns Hopkins' reputation as one of the nation's most prestigious
universities. Some of the many strong departments at Johns Hopkins are
History, International Studies, English, Political Science, Biology,
German, Near Eastern Studies, Romance Languages, Art History,
Biophysics, Biomedical Engineering, Film and Media Studies, and
Astronomy. The French Department is recognized as a center of
excellence in the study of French culture and language by the
government of France. 

The school's sports teams are named the Blue Jays. They participate in
the NCAA's Division III, and the Centennial Conference. The school's
most prominent sports team is their Division I lacrosse team, which has
won 42 national titles.  The National Lacrosse Hall of Fame is adjacent
to the university. 

Some well-known alumni: 

   Spiro T. Agnew - Vice President of the United States 
   Madeleine Albright - Secretary of State under Bill Clinton 
   John Astin - actor, Gomez Adams on The Addams Family 
   Russell Baker - author, Pulitzer Prize winner, host Masterpiece
   Theater 
   John Barth - novelist 
   Michael Bloomberg - Founder of Bloomberg LP, mayor of New York
   City 
   Rudy Boschwitz - Republican Senator from Minnesota 
   Rachel Carson - enivornmentalist, Silent Spring 
   J.D. Considine - music critic 
   Richard Ben Cramer - journalist, author What It Takes, Pulitzer
   Prize winner 
   Wes Craven - film director 
   Robert W. Fogel - economist, Nobel Prize in Economics, 1993 
   Herbert Spencer Gasser - Nobel Prize in Physiology, 1944 
   Paul Greengard - biophysicist, Nobel Prize in Medicine, 2000 
   Rafael 

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From: edx [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Florian Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Subject: Another try at a Code Poem
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:42:23 -0400

OK, let's pick something simple (though that may be the problem) like Death,
like as in the death of someone else.

Now how would you code that? In CODE, death is a crash, and the first and
foremost thing code must not do is crash. So perhaps for this poem, maybe we
want the app the crash? Perhaps an obvious thing like an autobiography that
crashes the OS at age 76?

Or to be more general, what if we documented the app author's death? CODE
and temporal order, debugging a simple little script from the Beyond. No -
that won't do!

So what else can we do? What if we treat death like an error and trap for
it? That works for code but not biological organisms, which raises the
question - to what extent are WE still biological?

So what if we just stipulate that some entity is dying, without worrying
about it's metaphysical constitution. It could be a way of thinking or a
mass of protoplasm, what's the difference, ultimately? No matter how finely
your abstract this, this means people, cities, civilizations will die, but's
let's go ahead and see what happens.

By the dialectical principle, we know that death is absolution in birth, so
we now see why it is possible to debug, criticize, or even think in the
first place.

So the code might go like this:

[poem follows, I will send later, but here's an outline]

Given(Death)

for each (glimpse of life)

SendToMemory(glimpse of life)

next
End the Given


SendToMemory(a)
{
//test here if the incoming data is worth remembering

//test here if it has been heard before

//continue testing, then if it passes

//transform the incoming data

//record the transformed data if it gets this far
}

Again, this is a shit poor example of a Code Poem, it won't compile or run,
and it certainly doesn't meet the criteria for a code poem I suggested
earlier.

Even the simplest code poem would compile on both a human and machine OS.






Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:05:25 +1000
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: net.l[w]urker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:  LED/LCD displays (4 images)


=_1064239058-635-1016

At 10:55 PM 21/09/2003 -0500, you wrote:
continuing with the idea of an LED
numeric or alphanumeric display as
a new type of hardware


_Sub.Mission[s]_
09:48pm 22/09/2003
   _Submission Details:_ Good thematic without being too obvious. The fact 
that they are open to realistic hybrid-collaboration is good. Very 
competent cvs and professsionalism evident. Would work well with a more 
experimentally-directed collaboration set.

_Support Material:_
i) Audio [xxx]: well-paced and innovative but slightly formulaic in 
terms of soundtrackesqueness. Might be a problem when seeking to pair with 
a writer/txter than uses other benchmarkers in terms of actual x 
construction.

ii) Video [xx]: production stills illustrate competent visual 
referencing and potential for image creation. Video constructions are 
filmic in intent and slickly produced [high production values evident] but 
possibly too polished [rigid] for x unless paired with appropriate 
collaborator.


RATINGS:
- ARTISTIC VALUE OF CONCEPT: 7/10
- POTENTIAL FOR ARTISTIC REALISATION: 8/10
- VALUE OF EXPERIENCE/INTERPRETED CAPACITY TO COMPLETE PROJECT: 9.5/10

--


_Submission Details:_ CV slightly sketchy due to the early stage of 
careers. Submission concept more digitally inclined which is promising, but 
overall limited strength of submission direction.

_Support Material:_
i) Videos: good integration of digital affects, less centred on fimic 
conventions. Nice reworking of video material.

ii) Text: Less strong in terms of supporting submission.

RATINGS:
- ARTISTIC VALUE OF CONCEPT: 6.5/10
- POTENTIAL FOR ARTISTIC REALISATION: 7/10
- VALUE OF EXPERIENCE/INTERPRETED CAPACITY TO COMPLETE PROJECT: 8/10

--


_Submission Details:_ Extremely integrated collaborative team is evident 
thru proposal. Such employment of heavy mono-directed themes [eg cvs and 
conceptual nature of submission] seems not as relevant towards xx aims 
+ emphasis on 2-fold narrative process less than applicable to xx in 
terms of the quality of other, more appropriate applicants.

_Support Material:_
i) Audio: x : etheral + performative in nature.
xx: experimental, interesting. focus less on fractured soundscapes + 
more on directed audio.

ii) Text [various]: Good

Re: nettime Don't Call it Art: Ars Electronica 2003

[Florian Cramer]

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Am Montag, 22. September 2003 um 23:25:41 Uhr (+0200) schrieb august:
 First of all, something that had been addressed many times at this years
 README festival, especially by the curators themselves, was that a certain
 kind of drive hides behind this push towards software art.  Some may call
 it an agenda.  Strangely enough the push is coming more from curators and
 writers (most of which have no or little programming experience) rather
 than from the practicing artists.

Being one of the read_me/runme.org experts (and ae speakers) myself, I
agree that the term software art is a coinage of curators and critics.
But I don't think that's a bad thing at all; all the more since it was a
reaction to a clear, observable trend towards working not only with, but
on software in digital/net art. The earliest literal mention of
software art I know of is in Alex Galloway's 1999 writeup Year in
Review: State of net.art 99 http://switch.sjsu.edu/web/v5n3/D-1.html:

   Software art is not new. Ever since a collective of British outlaw
   artists wrote the code for I/O/D 4--a carnivorous browsing application
   known as the Webstalker--artists have been twisting and tweaking
   the very tools we use to surf the web. Yet with artist/programmer
   Maciej Wisniewski's Netomat (www.netomat.net), which premiered earlier
   this summer at New York's Postmasters Gallery, we see a new level of
   intensity, a new commitment to coding.

Saul Albert's longer essay Artware
http://twenteenthcentury.com/saul/artware.htm, which appeared in the
same year, draws even more elaborate connections between early concept art,
software by artists like John Simon and Mongrel, hacker culture and Free
Software. In 2000, Andreas Broeckmann created a software category for
the transmediale festival as a consequence of his own observations which
were similar to the above.

 But, Judd was writing his own critiques, wasn't he?  I didn't see a
 history of art-categorism in Manovich's text.  Maybe that is part of the
 larger context to which he is alluding?

What I don't understand in Lev's text is his argument that software art
was not contemporary art just because contemporary art wouldn't
support art that is bound to specific media (or material). My own
perception of contemporary art as it can be seen in galleries,
art fairs, museum exhibitions and art journals is quite different: It
seems to roughly fall into two categories, which themselves are strongly
bound to specific media: (a) large-size painting and photography for
private collectors, (b) installation art (often involving video) by and
for academics trained in cultural studies. No contemporary art system is
agnostic to media/material for the simple reason that it needs artwork
that fits its into particular exhibition architecture and economical
framework (and that applies to an exhibition like Documenta just as to
ars electronica).

My personal reason to care for software art and other digital arts at all
is not that it is software or digital, but that there is remarkable
contemporary art being made in its realms.

 But, maybe the question is whether art is soft?
 By that, I mean after a slow and consistent breakdown over the last 100
 years of paintings on walls and sculptures on pedistals down to
 installations in space and concepts at large, wouldn't it be relatively
 easy (and maybe naive) to construct softer borders between categories of
 art.  'New Media' was once called intermedia or integrated media, wasn't
 it? Besides that, Sol Lewitt was making software art long ago, nay?

I see one important difference between early conceptual art and
contemporary software art in that the former strived, as Lucy Lippard
called it, for dematerialization and, where it actually used the term
software (such in Jack Burnhams 1970s exhibition of the same name or in
the Radical Software magazine), understood it as a puristic
intellectual laboratory construct. In contrast, contemporary software
art treats software as an unclean material (involving bugs, crashes,
incompatibities) which is not purely syntactical, but loaded with
cultural semantics, aesthetic associations and even politics;
experimental web browsers and and game modifications are cheap, but
still good examples.

 Another understanding at README seemed to be that software is becoming
 more and more entrenched in our daily lives, and that it is quite
 'natural' that this mixture of art and software should come about.

Yes, and I see this viewpoint embedded into the contemporary software
art itself.

 really aiming at situating both software and art in larger contexts.  With
 CODE as its title, it _appears_ as if the Ars wanted to address art and
 software and culture and societyand on and on., which would be a
 positive step away from a software art label.

The problem, as it also turned out at the ars electronica 

Re: nettime Your question

[Florian Cramer]

Am Donnerstag, 18. September 2003 um 16:06:30 Uhr (+0200) schrieb Are
Flagan:

 Final sentence from: Lev Manovich, Don't Call it Art: Ars Electronica
 2003
 
 Today, when pretty much every artist and cultural producer is widely
 using computers while also typically being motivated by many other
 themes and discourses, is it in fact possible that digital art
 happens everywhere else but not within the spaces of Ars Electronica
 festival?
 
 Good question. But likewise, today, when pretty much every theorist
 and writer on digital culture is widely quoting the same texts, while
 typically also being motivated by quite transparent, self-serving
 agendas, is it in fact possible that new media theory happens
 everywhere else but not within the claustrophobic spaces of events and
 writings thus headlined?

I would like to share your optimism, but at least in the realms of
academia, cultural journalism/criticism and contemporary arts, I don't see
it happen. The cultural ubiquity of computing and the Internet which Lev
writes about in his piece is one thing, computer literacy and awareness of
cultural and political issues of digital technology quite another.

The mainstream of academic cultural studies of the Internet, for example,
is roughly ten years behind what we discuss here and still bragging about
cyber-this, virtual-that, visual-xy.  And it seems to get worse: It is
hard to find people these days who don't mistake the Microsoft Windows
desktop - which has mainstreamed Internet user interfaces (through its
default, standard browser and E-Mail clients) radically in comparison to
the situation ten or even five years ago - for the computer in general.

I might be wrong, but I don't see much cultural computer literacy outside
either hacker camps - which are weak at theory - or the net cultures
organized around a number of old-fashioned mailing lists (such as Nettime)
and festival gatherings.

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[Florian Cramer]

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:19:57 +0100
Subject: Re: nettime unstable digest vol 63
To: Florian Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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r.u.portuguese?

what's that email about? is it a virus? ... i got confused

*

 é uma pena, repetiu três vezes. falhou na primeira, falhou na segunda, 
 e
 na terceira vou ver se conseguiu dar-lhe, como se vê aqui, de um só
 jacto. e de uma forma impressionante como se via. e eu fui, fui atrás 
 do
 pano onde ela representava, não é, para a felicitar, e ela tinha
 desatado num choro convulso, portanto acabava de sair de uma canção
 nervosa de incomodá-la.

 olhe, um momento por favor.

  

  

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Subject: Hello World
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Re: nettime SPAMandVIRIImakeITdie-digest [Chris Welsh, Morlock Elloi]

[Florian Cramer]

Am Samstag, 13. September 2003 um 06:37:08 Uhr (-0400) schrieb Nettime:
 
 There is no solution for the unwashed masses. That is the price of
 monoculture.  If you want millions that have no real clue what
 computers are to have a single user friednly OS of choice, than that
 one becomes the target. That will not change.

Right, and the actual problem with Windows is a userbase which 
largely doesn't even know (a) how to work under an account
without superuser/administator priviledges (under WinNT/2000/XP) and (b)
to use different E-Mail clients than Outlook Express. None of the recent
viruses would have done any harm if the above two conditions were
met.

Both MacOS X and GNU/Linux have security holes in their userland
announced every week, many of which are remotely exploitable and give an
attacker superuser priviledges on a cracked computer. MacOS X may be
potentially more vulnerable because, by the nature of its distribution,
its installations are much less diverse and contain much more
software/services by default than the countless distributions and
individual setups of GNU/Linux and the free BSDs. (For example, an RPC
hole in GNU/Linux or NetBSD would affect only a minority of systems
running NFS services.)  Still, the default factory setup of both MacOS X
and free Unix-like operating systems is more secure than Windows,
and it helps that users of minority platforms are typically better
skilled and apply the necessary software updates.

If the mainstream of Windows users would run broken and unmaintained
MacOS X or GNU/Linux systems, the exploits could be even worse than in
Windows because both systems offer better remote administration through
the commandline. One could be almost thankful for Microsoft that its OS
creates a honeypot for the computer illiterate.

Microsoft can be blamed, however, for setting up the default
installations of Windows in a blatantly insecure way: with various open
network ports/services, default user accounts with administrator
priviledges, with Internet clients (IE/Outlook Express) that are
insecure by design through their integration into the OS and its
scripting/programming interfaces, by allowing - by default - the
execution of remote binary Windows code (a.k.a. ActiveX) without any
security measures (like sandboxing in a virtual machine), and by closely
integrating network services with the internal component/object model of
Windows so that disabling all network services leaves a Windows system
unusable to the point that even copy/paste or the file find dialog don't
work any more.*


-F


* In contrast, GNU/Linux and *BSD can be set up so that they
don't open network ports at all, even without firewalling, by commenting
out all lines in /etc/inetd.conf, replacing printer spoolers like
lpr/cups with pdq and MTA like sendmail/exim/postfix/qmail with
nullmailer or ssmtp.

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Re: nettime [Fwd: Re: [ox-en] Felix Stalder: Six Limitations to the Current Open Source Development Methodology]

[Florian Cramer]

Am Dienstag, 26. August 2003 um 17:07:02 Uhr (+0200) schrieb Felix
Stalder:
 
 These limitations refer to the kind of problems that can be addressed
 through the current form of social organization developed in the Open
 Source Movement. The way Open Source Projects are organized reflects
 the specifics of problem -- developing software -- and thus they
 cannot serve as a model to address problem with very different
 characteristics.
 
 This does not mean that other problems, for example, the development
 of drugs, cannot be organized in an open way, but this 'open way' will
 have to look very different from the way Open Source Software projects
 are organized because the problem of creating drugs is very different
 from the problem of creating software. In other words, there is an
 intimate relationship between the characteristics of the problem and
 the social organization of its solution.

A good example are Open Content licenses. They have departed
significantly from Free Software/Open Source licenses wherever they allow
to restrict modification and commercial distribution of a work. Therefore,
the two major Open Content licenses, the GNU Free Documentation License
(used by, among others, the Wikipedia) and the Open Publication License,
are non-free or non-Open Source. As a consequence, the Debian project
recently considered moving software documentation released under the GNU
GDL into its non-free section. - The same is true, btw., for the 12
licenses Creative Commons http://www.creativecommons.org offers of
which only 4 qualify as Free or Open Source according to the Debian
Free Software Guidelines and the Open Source Definition. If Open Content
needs other legal regulations than Free Software, then obviously because
of the different social issues of writing, for example, books as opposed
to writing software. (Which doesn't mean that these fields couldn't
converge very soon - for example through the need for authors to write
complex XML markup, use revision control and content management systems
etc., so that the traditional distinction will get more and more blurred.)

Nevertheless, this is a good opportunity to question the venerable
copyright statement of Nettime:

distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission.

In order to turn Nettime into a truly public and free resource, I suggest
to change this line into

distributed via nettime; unless stated otherwise by the author,
permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document
under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.1


-F
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[Florian Cramer]

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:49:20 +0300 (EEST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Jenny

Jenny

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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 02:06:55 +0200
From: pascale gustin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: orchid








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Subject: 
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:48:00 +1000

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From: pascale gustin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: e a t h e i n s t r u c t i o n
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:48:23 +0200












   e a t h e i n s t r u c t i o n


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sys_ni syscall   reserve/for setxattr
sys___ni syscall /eserved for lsetxattr
sys_ni syscallrese/ed for fsetxattr
sysni syscall   r/served for getxattr
sys__ni syscall /30 reserved for lgetxattr
sys_ni_syscal reservedf/rfgetxattr

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sys_n.i.s.y.s.c.a.l.l.reservedforflistxattr
sysni_syscal/ 235 reserved for removexattr
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From: Ana Buigues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: clarification



sometimes a cigar is just a cigar




















las autoridades sanitarias advierten que el tabaco perjudica seriamente la salud





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[Florian Cramer]

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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:40:06 -0700
From: lq [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: PEACETALKSATURNALIA

PEACETALKSATURNALIA
(made to rest in the petalcalco)


There never was a good war or a bad peace.
- Benjamin Franklin in a letter to Josiah Quincy, 11/9/1773


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{annoited and dismissed}

The King of America, said the villager. King of America, he'll come here,
see our village,
meet us, and see how we live!

--...--...--...--...--...--...--...--...--...--...--...--...--...--...--...-
-...--...--...--...--...--...

{A PIERRE. DELL'AZZURRO SILENZIO, INQUIETUM}

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Technossos 3419 ADC (after the death of civilization)

A damaged android likeness of Immanuel Kant burbles a fading somniloquy from
upon a
vast garbage heap of android philosophers, gods, generals, starlets, and
'living statues'..

co[defla]tke:shall we then/then n[ever pa]y ho}mage tune-shaft, to the
preciousness of the other,
to see then in those, republic, republic, rousseau, i leave your
piss-stained caftan,
strange outw#3ard appurtenances our ow[n curio]us con[tours, how the]n
w[oul]d we fall to
clinging idiocy of foetus-racks, sleep in numbe/rs unfathomable by
calculation, where?
each other's aid, to seek a listening, whereby our mistakes are gently
shown, by allowing
critique, critique, dead plato mo$on walk, Oresteia, your wild bottle
envelopes my Krakkenotes..
our own to be made as equally prominent, how then would our discussions
unfold, perhaps
by the model of experiments in distribution, freedom to change, lyri(cal
dancing of boundaries
and borders. is there no way for states to look into the potent blackness of
this new and Ole
Ole! OLe! oLAY! Skovsmose in Aporism: uncertainty about mathemat-ics gives
good head, toeplitz
shoe hobbes, c[ontra]cts, contract, st[ate-cha]nges, v[i/ole]nce of
cl//assro(o)ms, android to hammer
mythical space and to muse, and in that collective seeing, forego the names
of institutions
who ha00d once ho::nored that capacity and guard)ed its calling and history,
how then are nations
to become friends and to sport and dream codeflakecodeflake together and for
the others to
know joy and desire and to welcome this formation of a family

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[Florian Cramer]

 enters jailbox of poet-enemy-krafts
[!-- prevent caching in netscape. very important cause netscape tends to
mangle]
expires content=0
user defined globals carrying corroded surround eternity scarab
A magical dream brought the Egyptian Scarab Oracle into being
Khepera on tiny wheels of eternity, on tiny infinite hand-wheels
paddle-wheels whose-eye-palm-pilots-guide-the-net-craftingstar
[corroded when rusticated ocean liner pulled vegetarian entrails through
blind murdering innocence]
you forget this when khepera opens Martha's colorwheel.
Join it to style where fade enters cavicles. Cavicles read the Genaro
smooth soft[ware] parting lips/Maenad numbers

Maenad numbers[2047 2048 2049 2050 2051 2052 2053 2054 2055 ]
Maenad numbers[294335 1943s 1943d 1943y 364364y 1053 2053 40535 pp430]
Maenad numbers[2053]
Maenad numbers{allnumbers anno'd}
Maenad numbers[again
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my memorial memory keep alive telling truth in
2053 2103 a.d. a.d. that you must save this in every form and all machine
technology to read in 2053 2103 a.d. a.L.
afterlife' you said blurring colorwheels in afterlife
palm-eye-pilot: blurring soil in tulsimaenadnumbers

THIASOSIGNAL: http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/citybugs/db/images/1235.jpg
THIASOSIGNAL:
http://www.turbosquid.com/Previews/Content_on_4_10_2002_06_54_39%5Cgoliath_s
carab_3_pic.jpg71D53075-7732-41D6-A2F841B886D1BC52.jpgLarge.jpg
THIASOSIGNAL:
http://www.ramseskingdom.com/images_ramses/civilization-hall42.jpg
THIASOSIGNAL: http://www.hallco.org/nhms/Scarab__WEB.jpg

THIASOSIGNAL: http://www.maatkare.com/sm_scarab.gif
THIASOSIGNAL: http://www.poetryclass.net/scarab.jpg

you said all names are joined, slaves and masters are joined, you said
Al'anno-god-wheels-color-blurring-enemies
are unnamed [not-joined]

We cannot save them... They are [LITERALLY] un-worth-Y

you see Y?
this Y!
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These Y's are forty miles high!



Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:29:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alan Sondheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Florian Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: please consider for UD - check the ending/structure - thanks, Alan




My Eternity


I write ahead of time, that my readers of 2053 will perhaps understand me
and my lack of hatred for everyone who refuses to support me, who stands
by, who closes his or her eyes to the brilliance of a new dawn of writing.
And the readers of 2103 who will finally begin to comprehend, not only my
literatures, but my philosophies of truths or lack of them. And my
stupidity, which is close to that of Stendhal's, as if the future gathers
a promissory note which will never been collected. What is variegated now
will come together in critical coherency. No one can begin in this or any
other present. What will be will be. I will not mention my enemies. They
are legion. They affect me but remain outside my work. They are only of
personal concern. Their names will be forgotten. I will not honor them.
Someone will write my biography - myself, I would be sued. I cannot afford
to tell the truth (in this regard). I tell the truth otherwise. The truth
I tell is what is important in 2053. You may have to look hard for my work
but my only wish is that it is available. And available in 2103. In 2103
it will be understood. My enemies will be long dead. My biography will
include their names. Everyone I know will be long dead. Their descendents
will have forgotten me. My work will stand on its own. My work will be
read in 2203 and 2303. My work will continue to be read.

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moving image of eternity, and you aztec religion 2054 picture of russia
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on 3/27/01, peg asked do you know how i 2053 i look into your eyes i am
taken from this world to a place which is timeless and udescribable where
love is an eternity submitted by take my love and whose very elements,
perhaps, appertain to eternity alone it has been my purpose to suggest
that, while info on egypt 2054 egypt today 2053 historical cartoon cries
mary 3 minutes, 18 seconds 2053 jimi hendrix 2489 magnetic fields - you re
my only home 2 2491 magnetic fields - promises of eternity 3 minutes cries
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my only home 2 2491 magnetic fields - promises of eternity 3 minutes
20532322 love

Re: nettime Re: Is nettime MEDIA-FASCIST??

[Florian Cramer]

Am Donnerstag, 05. Juni 2003 um 09:28:59 Uhr (-0700) schrieb John von Seggern:
 
 The Internet, yes. As for nettime it is looking increasingly 
 old-fashioned to me these days...as numerous posters have pointed out 
 recently, there are many more sophisticated interfaces for online 
 community interaction these days that could address some of the issues 
 the moderation process was originally supposed to solve. Nettime seems 
 to be overly dominated by the particular interests of its moderators and 
 for me it has lost a great deal of its value as a forum. When are we 
 going to move to something new? Is there any desire on the part of this 
 community to keep exploring new communication technologies and network 
 topologies? Or are we going to stay stuck in a mid-90s paradigm of a 
 moderated listserv?

Old-fashioned mailing list technology has important advantages over, for
example, Slashdot-style web-based community platforms:


- Distributed, individual archiving. 

There is not one single server/repository of past contributions, which
is also a single point of failure, but there are individual archives on
subscriber's PCs, many of them being highly personally filtered
selections of what has been posted to a list. (It would be an
interesting project to publish Nettime archives/selection of individual
subscribers.)


- Separation of (local) authoring and (remote) distribution interfaces

There is not one monolithic web-based application which tries to be your
text editor, E-Mail client and listserver at once, but everyone can work
locally with the software s/he prefers. For example, I'm typing this on
a terminal in vim using the mutt mailreader, others might use Eudora, a
web-based Mailer, and so on. The idea to turn web pages into your
software applications is very bad in regard to usability and user
freedom. 

I know of newer weblog software which allows users to post from a local
computer via XML rpc, but I doubt this technology is very accessible yet
for average people.

With local, distributed storage and individual choice of authoring
software, it is also much easier to convert textual information from one
medium into an other, i.e. from a text file to a mailing list
posting and vice versa, and use even individually written software (perl
scripts, shell filters etc.) to accomplish such tasks.


- Social/economical accessibility. 

As monolithic all-in-one applications, Web-based communities force you
to be online for reading and writing contributions, preferably with
broadband flatrate internet access. Mailing lists on the other hand
allow you to read and write contributions offline, and reduce online
time to a few seconds of sending off and receiving E-Mail, which can be
conveniently done even over slow modem connections.

Moreover, through mail server technology, readers don't need to access a
remote web server (which can be slow over intercontinental connections
or in countries with low-speed networking infrastructure), but get and
post contributions from their local provider's mail server.


Needless to point out why all these technical issues are - and always
have been - important political and cultural issues for Nettime as well.

-F

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  do do wontsin
  not come she cried and then started running
  come come disappearing from the net
  to come i do not come to anything
  anything to i do not come to a conclusion

 she that and when i hear voices i hear numbers sometimes too
  saw she i did and i can
  that shirt i do not come to a conclusion
  i saw she did not believe me
  came shirt the net disappearing
  with my but it won't help
  words with she cried and then started running
  on i what german word did i learn today ?
  my my sometimes
  shirt came disappearing from the net

 she and but remaining  took took what word did i teach ?
  a was the net disappearing
  hand mine but remaining  and took F-
  it it any other language
  was she reproducing itself
  mine it i do not come to anything

 disappearing disappearing F-ometimes

 imageless, disappearing i came with words on my shirt . she noticed
  disappearing imageless, the source page code says 404

 i copy it is an unbelievable sentence
  have and i disappeared from the net
  a i disappearing from the net
  mirror mirror i count every word in that sentence
  a a any other language
  copy mirror reproducing itself
  and i disappearing from the net
  a and cantsin
  backup backup she saw that i came with words on my shirt

 but it but it won't help
  it won't F-
  won't it the net disappearing
  help but but remaining
 wontsin wontsin i do not come to a conclusion

 F-ometimes F-ometimes imageless, disappearing

 any language disappearing from the net
  other language she took a hand and it was mine
  language other disappearing from the net

 what word brutality i did
  german german guiding
  word did i can and i did
  did today doubled mirrored backuped spread
  i what F-ometimes
  learn what reproducing itself
  today word terrible crime
  ? i the source page code says 404

 what ? what german word did i learn today ?
  word ? i have a mirror a copy and a backup
  did what there is no middleway i told her
  i did disappearing
  teach word reproducing itself
  ? i the source page code says 404

 brutality brutality guiding
  i brutality there was no way of not noticing it
  did brutality in any other direction than mine

 the net i do not come to anything
  net net disappearing
  disappearing disappearing reproducing itself

 doubled doubled imageless, disappearing
  mirrored mirrored what german word did i learn today ?
  backuped backuped and every letter in each word
  spread mirrored i do not come to anything

 reproducing itself i disappeared from the net
  itself reproducing guiding

 but but in any other direction than mine
  remaining but s-.-.~

- Original Message -
From: Florian Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: s-.-.~ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:54 PM
Subject: [7-11] imageless.net


 Ivan Khimin's minimalist website http://imageless.net seems to have
 disappeared from the net. Does anyone have a mirror copy/backup of it?

 -F

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[Florian Cramer]

From: Peter von Brandenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: *SPAM* Re: *SPAM*  *SPAM* SPAM MAPS #0001
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:46:24 -0500

SPAM:  Start SpamAssassin results --
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