Re: nettime The Society of the Unspectacular
I'll propose a purely information-theory and somewhat mechanical answer to this issue. As the art is effected through the exposure to information (which will hopefully fire some unused synapses and modify the future behaviour of its customers,) the real change with the networked society is that the noise floor of the information intake is going up. Until up to few decades ago, information feed was mostly a matter of choice - one would go to the church, read a book, watch something on the screen, peep through the hole, etc. Today the choice is mostly about which information gets stopped - our decision efforts are about what we don't want to find out - we are burning brain cycles not for seeking but for defense. Getting less shit is considered to be a success. There are few resources left for finding gems. It's like wartime - you are lucky to find uncontaminated food and bullet-proof shelter, there is no time for chefs and architects. Unlike regular war where most eventually get pissed at the carnage, it is not clear that there is a viable opposition to the information carpet bombing. It is clear, however, that while it's going on you can forget about art. end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: ... # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nettime For any reason or no reason - on virtual (extra-)territoriality
How is the credibility of the fiction of the government diluted by subjecting one of its manifestations to the good will of a private corporation, whose only motive for not flipping the switch off is accounts receivable? Or is this just a start of the new strain of banana republics, Sweden being the first one? We need a new name for that, for states not controlling ICANN, ARIN and major search and social networking engines. Browsepublics? The 30th of May, Sweden will be the first country in the world to open an official Embassy within Second Life, the online 3D multi user end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
nettime The importance of shit hitting the fan at moderate rates
Finally, a promising theory that may explain why too much peace or too much war is bad. For cognition-challenged, replace 'biofilm' with your favourite organisational form, nettime included, and pick your own 'evolved cheats' ;-) http://www.current-biology.com/content/article/abstract?uid=PIIS0960982207010664 Explaining cooperation is a challenge for evolutionary biology. Surprisingly, the role of extrinsic ecological parameters remains largely unconsidered. Disturbances are widespread in nature and have evolutionary consequences. We develop a mathematical model predicting that cooperative traits most readily evolve at intermediate disturbance. Under infrequent disturbance, cooperation breaks down through the accumulation of evolved cheats. Higher rates of disturbance prevent this because the resulting bottlenecks increase genetic structuring (relatedness) promoting kin selection for cooperation. However, cooperation cannot be sustained under very frequent disturbance if population density remains below the level required for successful cooperation. We tested these predictions by using cooperative biofilm formation by the bacterium Pseudomonas fluorescens. The proportion of biofilm-forming bacteria peaked at intermediate disturbance, in a manner consistent with model predictions. Under infrequent and intermediate disturbance, most bacteria occupied the biofilm, but the proportion of cheats was higher under less frequent disturbance. Under frequent disturbance, many bacteria did not occupy the biofilm, suggesting that biofilm dwelling was not as beneficial under frequent versus intermediate disturbance. Given the ubiquity of disturbances in nature, these results suggest that they may play a major role in the evolution of social traits in microbes. end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Tools and Fools (was Re: nettime Ken's Taking No Prisoners)
Thanx for the posting - interesting review. However it seems to lack proper insight into what tools really are. Creator's ideology gets projected into the tool, and then the Big Disappointment comes, because the tool really doesn't give a fuck. To put in more formal terms, creator C assesses the reality R, estimates how it diverges from his/her desired reality Rd, and then designs tool T which is supposed to nudge R towards Rd. Tool, being a function devoid of any ideology, will readily whore itself to anyone that cares to use it, often moving R directly opposite of Rd. So what is the root problem here? C was either not clever enough to properly assess R (which is nearly impossible anyway, due to complexities involved) or C was using ideology as an afterthought justification for something he/she would do anyway for cash, blowjob or whatever. Where does it leave Cs of the world? I think turning the stones of imagination and seeing which snake will crawl out is Good Stuff. Maybe it will end in total destruction of life, maybe it will make everyone so happy that we'll just drool for the rest of our lives, but one thing is sure - it will not be the boring shit that non-technology activism was churning out for the last few millenia - revolutions, ideologies, assorted kleptocracies, rebels, anarchists - who cares? They didn't create a single new thing since the invention of masturbation. It was all tools and toolmakers. end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime A Modest Proposal
Anything a program can filter another program can make unfilterable. The real value of nettime *is* bipedal-based filtering, especially by those not turned into specialised data-processing contraptions. So cheers to all those brain cycles burned to filter nettime (not nettame) and their respective wetware! end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime Use of Computers in Preschools
The difference between using computer and toilet roll insert is that there are several multibillion dollar corporations between movement of the mouse and something happening on the screen in the first case, and pretty much nothing between manipulating inserts and affecting reality in the second. It's about immediacy and delegation. The question is - do you want your progeny to become skillful in 'performing' in the narrow world of proprietary computer simulations, or in dealing with material object? When making decisions, keep in mind that the physics of matter has been relatively stable for the last 8 billion years, and that (with some skill) it's possible to construct an effective weapon with toilet roll inserts and pulverize a computer or someone's head. That's usually a more effective bargaining strategy in reality than being an obedient keyboard drone. I'm not, I scream but my 3 year old will have to be an expert at building things with toilet roll inserts before he learns how to make some turtle move around the screen. end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime Katrina: The Spectre of a Soviet-Style Crisis in the U.S.
American industry has been bled dry and it's the industrial decline that above all explains the negligence of a nation confronted with a crisis situation: All this euro-originated doomsday predictions fail to take into account two things: europe (as in people that hold power) is striving to become america and america can still fuck up more other countries than anyone else. There is a good reason for that. What is happening in america is the continuation of evolution of the kleptocracy from class-based into country-based. Ethics and morality are immaterial here, this is how societies function. I am sure that well- and mid-off euros with access to higher education - mostly the strain that contributes to nettime - have no problem with the fact that less than well-off classes populate not so desireable jobs. I'm sure they feel fine that they don't have to slaughter their chicken or dig their steel ores. Or that prime ministers and many CEOs don't have to drive their cars. That kind of kleptocracy (euphemistically called 'division of labour') is kept together by repressive/legal system and feels quite right, right? As long as they are all french or dutch or whatever. So what is the only problem here? America surpassed the nation-class-based kleptocracy. Using the same repressive/legal mechanisms it became the well-off class while the rest of the world gets to dig ore. So the *real* problem here is that exclusivity of exploting french or dutch subjects is not any more in french/dutch elite's hands. Hurts, right? Ruling classes in the rest of the world don't need 'industry' inside their families and castes. Not so well-off will constitute the industry, and will be kept doing that using the old fashioned force monopoly. The same thing. America doesn't need industry. It has guns and lawyers to make the rest of the world constitute its industry. What do well-off 'produce' in france or anywhere? Nothing - they just reap based on private property paradigm. What is the deficit within higher classes in france and italy? Huge. Do minions come to collect? No, because eventually they get shot at. The same thing. There is nothing ethically, morally, civilisationally or whatever you care to call it wrong with america - it just extended the model to the higher level. The main irritation from the higher classes in the rest of the world is that they get a bit more distant from the top of the pyramid. A taste of their own medicine. What america did is exactly what all other old fashioned ruling classes did: create excellent repression machine and get rid of the chicken. When I say 'america' I don't mean the house help - I mean the top few %. So stop whining about deficit and such - that's so irrelevant, in the past, today and most likely in the future. And consistently fails to predict the future - in othervwords a shitty model. There is no deficit, the property just shifted hands. And unless you come up with better guns there's zilch you can do about it. Whining ain't it - although I can understand that ex-empires will be the most bitter ones. Marx would love this - class struggle turns country-based. end (of original message) # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime Microsoft bans 'democracy' for China web users
Anybody know if this is the first time Microsoft has cooperated with state authorities in this way? --dsw 'freedom' and 'democracy' are propaganda newspeak and have equivalent function and value as 'god' or 'allah'. As it is customary to remove such words that would infringe on the local indoctrination-space from corporate sites (you don't see 'god' mentioned in corporate sites targeted to US), it is to be expected that they will do the same for China. end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: ... # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime Arun Mehta: Unpacking Internet Governance
This is perhaps the most naive part of the otherwise very naive article: Foremost among them, is the whole discussion of domain names, and who should control them. Internet traffic is routed using IP addresses, similar to phone numbers on the telecom network. People came up with the clever idea of allowing people to use groups of alphanumerical characters instead of these large numbers, with computers automatically making the conversion. Such a big deal should not be made about who uses which name to represent a specific IP address, and frankly, most of us don't care. We just use google to find whichever company or individual we are looking for. There is a deep discrepancy between reality and perception here. Using regulated dictionary approach (DNS ICANN) enables, at least, each participant to control the name and associate it with marketing/advertizing strategy (commercial, ideological, social, whatever.) Search engines, on the other hand, are private entities that can (and always will) do anything that maximizes their gain (sometimes in the short and sometimes in the long run.) For instance, it is perfectly possible for Google, Inc. to dissapear India as such and direct all queries to Pakistan or whatever. (maybe because Pakistan bought Google, via indirect or direct means.) The point is that you want your dictionary (and both DNS and search engines are dictionaries, with different latencies) ran under published rules. This rampant ignorance of alleged activists is the most scary phenomenon lately. end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime Re: nettime-l-digest V1 #1560
Look. That is never going to work. I mean- right now you can download all of my music for free and no one does it. Upping the price to 5 cents would mean that less zero people download my music. I would It's not supposed to work. You don't understand the business model here. Pro-free/democracy/birthright-to-kitsch-content anti-label/publisher rant provides decent income to a small number of freedom celebrities. Their ideology is simple and appeals to those who crave for consumer goods: they should get things for free because the current technology makes it so easy to be free. That's it. You didn't see these freedom fighters in phonograph record or CD days. Somehow then it was not ideologically cool or popular to have records or CDs for cheap or free. I didn't see anyone championing that cause then. So the whole thing is a temporary parasiting in revolutionary mindspace on the publishing technology gap. The reality is just nuisance in this context. end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime Schijndel Smiers: IMAGINING A WORLD WITHOUT COPYRIGHT (Modified by Geert Lovink)
The main problem here is the assumption that copyright has much to do with author, performer or artist. It is nominally attached to one, but its purpose is to enable cashing in on the work, and there is a large number of people and entities involved in that cashing in. The initial author gets just a minority stake. Without copyright protection all these entities will not get involved (same as VC would not touch a technology startup without patents) and author (or startup) would remain well known among friends and family. If someone thinks that investing money in selection, ad nauseam promotion and bandwidth to the eyeballs is parasitic phenomenon - why don't authors do without it? Great works or even average works will find their way to the public. Yeah, right. Even giving them away for free will not make difference. Removing copyright is trivial - any author can do it today. In any legal framework. Just give it away. It's legal. Any author can also limit copyright to any desired level. See open/free software stuff. Why does anti-copyright industry treat authors as infantile retards? All actual cases are based on publishers enforcing copyrights on works by authors who have CHOSEN to use the fullest copyright protection that they can get. Have they been tortured to sign those forms? No. They wanted fame and money. I am sure many tried giving it away or without copyright protection (in which case no publisher would touch the work.) Didn't work. Friends and family already like it. So what does it mean that there are no widely known current works given away for free or no copyright (same thing) ? I am sure that not *all* quality authors go to big labels. It means that what masses perceive as quality is mostly manufactured by cash investments. So now, anti-copyright folks would like to get both brainwashed into liking something AND to get it for free. That's not how it works. You have to brainwashing yourself for that. But let's do a small leap of imagination ... say in few years androids become available that can perfectly emulate humans. It's just a technology problem, issues are the same. How would Lessig feel if his clandestine copy starts to give paid lectures (or even picks his Stanford paycheck)? Lessig's investment is in his credibility, and today only the technology barrier prevents him from being copied - as much as there were no copyright problems in early book or phonograph days. Too hard to copy. It's easy to be freedom fighter when they come for others, whose art is easy to copy. But soon they will come for you. end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime double-plus-unfree digest [byfield, elloi]
You have to use your imagination. Film viewers don't need support contracts, but they might like to have more of a say in the sorts of films that get produced, and they might be willing to pay for that. I certainly would. The payment is the crucial problem for un-labelled content. Currently only the big ones can handle the cost of charging for the content and more-or-less effectively manage piracy problems. It is too expensive for small content creators to charge for it, and their ability to sell the 2nd copy after the first one is sold and replicated is nearly zero. If you think that freedom-fighting avangarde p2p networks will not copy quality content from independents think again. This is why the business model for small software publishers evaporated. Especially for good software. And everyone is trying to get into service model ... but that's a different rant. The independent micropublishers will flourish when (a) it becomes as easy to charge/pay for content as it is to put a coin in parking meter (forget credit cards, secure web sites and related complex expensive schemes), and (b) when copying unpaid content becomes prohibitevely expensive in any juristiction (meaning technological, not legal barriers.) I find it nauseating that the current freedom fighters are fighting for freedom for masses to view/copy media outlet crap for free in the guise of freedom of thought, freedom to program etc (the last time I looked p2p traffic was 100% corporate media content ... no political manifestos or banned books there). That it the sickest phenomenon of the Internet age. Good thing I'm not into conspiracy theories. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net
Re: nettime wobblies
mv boss.class /dev/null This is probably the best example of total zaelot incompetence and ignorance which may provide a genetic excuse for fucking the working class (as if we need any.) Stupidity is a crime. You see, sounding geeky-cool is easy when the audience is composed of morons. What the above command does is renaming boss.class to /dev/null. Now, /dev/null is unix special file which absorbs all writes to it and is used to discard data by redirecting output to it. The above command effectively destroyes the special file and renames boss.class to /dev/null. As everyone still expects /dev/null to be the special, discard-all-data file, they will continue to use it but they will be actually writing to boss.class, whatever it may be, and the data will not be destroyed but maybe archived forever (boss.class could be a file pipe) or directly delivered to master.boss screen. I will leave the analogies to the audience. NAME mv -- move files SYNOPSIS mv [-f | -i | -n] [-v] source target mv [-f | -i | -n] [-v] source ... directory DESCRIPTION In its first form, the mv utility renames the file named by the source operand to the destination path named by the target operand. This form is assumed when the last operand does not name an already existing direc- tory. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nettimeRe: Google buys Japanese painting of Google screenshot
--- noci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reality Turns real Virtual virtuality in Real-Time virtual bla!? I hope the list is being archived for posterity. Must check if archive.org is taking snapshots. We are reaching the end of era of the attention economy. Before, whenever I thought that con-art parasites had reached the absolute bottom, a new sub-zero grounds poped up. But not any more. Doing cretinous performances attracts less and less attention as competition is fierce. Everyone is doing everything. It has become nearly impossible to out-dumb the existing in new media, multimedia, monomedia. Keyboards have been crammed in rectums, mechanical rectums have been constructed, it's all there already, comissioned, exhibited, slashdotted, appraised and (un)fortunately never forgotten, archive.org has it all forever. If anything new is possible you can bet it will neither be networked nor televised, much less purchased. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
nettime RE: Limits of Networking
1. Who is we ? When I hear we I go for my gun (paraphrasing Goebbels.) 2. Does anyone really think that the technological evolution and it's proponents give a fuck what proles think (or about 'desires' of 'users') ? All I see here is conservative ludditism, defending some imaginary times (I'd guess mid-90-ties (+ mid 60-ties for old geezers), when parties salaries, respectively, were good) and bound to fail by definition. 3. Think of technology owners elite as new mammals. You will either beat the shit out of them or you will get extinct or enslaved (and maybe not even given the choice). Yes, it's *them* as *you* obviously are not capable of building technology, tools and weapons, you just nostalgically and impotently bullshit about it. Owners (and sometimes builders) of technology are only one who benefit. And they will not be bullshitted into giving it up. Where do *you* people come up with all these consensual models where everyone gets to have a say in the open city hall ... is propaganda that good ? but to push technology into a hypertrophic state, further than it is meant to go. We must scale up, not unplug. Then, during the passage of technology into this injured, engorged, and unguarded condition, it will be sculpted anew into something better, something in closer agreement with the real wants and desires of its users. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nettime Agamben: No to Bio-Political Tattooing
But a part of me is also wondering if this isn't always the case; if the notion that political sovereignty functions through a permanent state of exception/emergency is simply a constitutive part of the way that 'the body politic' has been formulated since Plato (I was thinking of Plato's description of democracy as indigestion/disease in the Republic). Exactly. The prevailing explanators fail to recognise this and thus are in constant state of righteous indignation and bewilderment, as if things were right and then, somehow, 2, 5 or 10 years ago they went wrong. Essentially they buy into propaganda that the state is there for their benefit and then, when reality refuses to follow, argue with that. What is happening is that lately technology became really functional in general. Technology as it is is mostly controlled by powers to be - concentration of capital, resources and expertise make it nearly impossible for any smaller group or individual to actually develop it - they can only use or subvert what is given to them (and it's becoming harder to do the latter - witness the migration to DRM-ed PCs that will never really belong to the owner.) So most of these bitchings and theoretical discourses are in essence acts of ludditism. Professional bullshitters - philosophers et al. - still think that expressing thoughts through writings and speeches has some effect. In fact, they assume to live in early 20th century when bandwidth ownership was not nearly as absolute as today and when texts and ideas of individuals had some chance to be competitive in the brainwashing landscape. They are trying to use prehistoric tools for social engineering. Today you can say anything. Total freedom of irrelevant speech. The scales have been pushed far in the favour of the state, and it's only natural that it will capitalise on that. That's the business of the state. It always has been. To push back this scale one needs adequate instruments - and I feel that if you're looking into non-tech solutions you are wasting your time. Take the tattooing as an example. The indignated euro that refused to travel to US of A because of fingerprinting never had those feelings about passports, did he ? So what is the actual difference ? Passport is old technology. First they didn't have photos at all - just description. Then they started to have photographs, numbers, pointers to other databases. State always used what it could to brand subjects. Just requiring a passport should be the prime cause for indignation ... one has to have a marked paper to cross an arbitrary line on the ground because ... ? But our euro intellectual is cool with that. His parents and grandparents had passports, so he's used to it. He should better learn to neutralise Gattaca. Or, if you want to be luddite have some style. Own the bandwidth to your targets. Stop e-mailing and start writing letters. Hand deliver. Travel by foot and by night. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nettime Era of LibreSelf-Deception Society Manifesto
you'd be surprised how many people still believe that the right sex will *naturally* get you to subscribe to the right politics. see the This is an amusing spin but just demonstrates the depth of denial. My beef was with mental-masturbatory verbiage. It is irrelevant which model of the reality (or shared hallucination) you prefer - writing impotently boring articles in non-propaganda channels just proves that you have no real means of achieving them. You just bitch. Sex is better and more amusing way of getting rid of that frustration ... and sometimes at least one other person actually benefits from it. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nettime Era of LibreSelf-Deception Society Manifesto
Why do I have feeling that profiteers' greed, propagandists' exposes and the like are on the higher universal ethical level than the drivel that appears on nettime, the impotent pseudo-intellectual masturbation along the lines they are bad and we are good and polluting the namespace with variations of Free Libre etc etc etc. Because the former have an achievable *goal*. The truth is, no one really gives a fuck about manifesting on nettime. Publishing here is free and gives you near-zero stature. Don't waste your time and my time pretending that you're publishing in highbrow magazine with influence. If I want to read that I'll buy one. Nettime used to have a good have something to say/pathological impulse to publish ratio. Generic capitalism bad something else good essays are FUCKING BORING. NO ONE READS THAT. MAKES YOU LOOK DUMB AND NOT BEING LAID IN MONTHS. I am writing this because lately I caught myself automatically skipping articles of more than 15-20 lines. Because they tend to be content-free. Free-form forums like this one are good for propagating actual viral ideas, stuff you cannot see published in more specialised venues. So here is one: write no more than 20 lines. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nettime Re: Re: New Media Education and Its Discontent
[syntax problem @ nettime - resent by mod] An interesting thread. The real problem with the American educational system is that standards are not high enough. Public universities are packed with students who simply should not be in college. This policy US (and many others') educational system is a business and as any business it wants to enlarge its customer base. Nothing wrong with it. Those who are more intelligent/capable will get themselves and/or their kids in better schools. The mere value of a title in US is near-zero. It's what you did/can do. I recall no point in history when governing regimes enabled unbiased education for intellectual elite. Educational filters were always used to promote the regime in more or less direct ways. So I see current complaints about suffering intellectuals as nostalgia for past times when subjecting to the government's educational system meant guaranteed stature and a job. Well, intellectuals, governments no longer need you. There are more efficient ways to keep masses brainwashed, and governments need specialists to maintain those systems. Tough shit. The guild of intellectuals is extinct. This has nothing to do, of course, with free-thinking independent individuals that exist across the board, in all classes and castes. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nettime Request to Nettime to be part of DISTRIBUTED CREATIVITY online forum with Eyebeam
no defined mechanism for acting as a corporate entity. who do you ask? all of them. what if some say yes, some say maybe, and some say no? well, that's what it is. (i'm not literally recounting our conversation.) The moment nettime gets defineable in leadership/representative terms it will stop being interesting for me. I think that nettime is one of the few fora that survived plague of corporisation and is somewhat reminiscent of the early days of Usenet, when, thanks to pre-selection criteria (have a computer) in the early days or heroic moderation attempts that followed on, the space enabled civilised conversations between almost sapient entities without a particular agenda. And today nettime does resemble one of few coffee shops I care to visit. The moment it becomes a party headquaters or someone lays a claim to represent coffee shop patrons the illusion dissolves. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nettime Do domain names matter?
the network, but by innovation at its edges. As end-user applications mature, they increasingly allow individuals to develop and share their own naming systemsnot to destroy the DNS, but to render it irrelevant. Exactly. There are two sides to this. First, the namespace has been conquered and fully exploited. URLs had their window of public interest and now it's closed. There is simply no way to impress eyeballs with yet another domain name in the late 90-ties fashion. No one cares. Yahoo and google stay, becase they were launched in the right window. Second, the value of DNS was perceived ease of remebering and typing in a shit-shop's name in browser's URL field, presumably because the victim saw it on a billboard or a TV, so it could be remembered easily. The mechanics have changed by now - I cannot remember the last time I got to the new URL for the first time by typing it from my memory. It's HREFed from another document and then I bookmark/e-mail it around. The search engines played a major role here. URLs lost their habitat in people's heads - or, at least, new ones can't get in there. Technology is enabling private namespaces (to the horror of marketeers) and the difference between domain name and IP address will soon become cosmetic. There are many consequences of this - one cheerful comes right up to my mind - ICANN is about to die and let's hope that loads of parasites that fed there won't be able to adapt on time and jump the new host, whatever it may be. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nettime The problem with file-sharing
So the only possible reply we, as people who read our email on.screen and do not let the secretary print them out, should somehow form an international lobbying organization to be a balancing factor against the interests of others in this matter... Good ... I'd like to see a subcommittee that will balance right to copy paper banknotes against interests of assorted governments. The difference is smaller than you think. Labels, by pumping money into advertizing and monopolizing public meme space, *create* popular music. This is a (unfortunate) fact. You could have a genius playing on the corner around the block, but you simply don't care. An essential ingredient in the value of music is the engineered popularity. People like what others like. People like what they get shoved down their sensory apparatus over and over again. That costs money. Only then will they bother to share. Talking with, ehm, artists, the same conclusion comes over and over again. The un-picked ones are unhappy because they didn't get picked, the picked ones are fine, the rich picked ones get greedy and bitch about labels. If labels disappeared overnight, what would you download ? How would you *know* and *value* anything beyond your street block boundaries ? You'll find it on internet ? Well, there are hundreds of thousands unknown artists giving away their stuff for free on internet TODAY and no one bothers to get it. The enlightened masses crying for right to download would not have their music without labels in the first place. The whole P2P rights movement is bogus in the sense that without multi-billion-$ celebrity industry no one would bother to design P2P for the masses in the first place. And I also fail to see how propagating media outlet drivel is a positive on any plane. It's sad that a good part of wired (counter)culture is focused on this. Which is why labels (not so openly) love P2P. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nettime anti-piracy goons considered harmful
However with open source it is more than likely - even perhaps inevitable - that that code *is* going to be scrutinised by people with the technical know-how to notice certain weaknesses or deliberate circumventions or backdoors. The same certainly cannot be said of closed source software especially when such security issues may well be part of Not true. For instance, PGP had bug in open source for more than two years, a very serious one. Then there are very few who actually build executables from inspected sources (which still contain bugs.) For instance, sendmail worm compiled into downloadable executable last year. The only way to benefit from openness is to use it and verify yourself, instead of delluding yourself that someone out there will spend days doing that for ... what ? = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nettime Rhizome's revenge
The difference between money currency and social-ties currency is the owner, or mint. The former is owned by the local force monopoly; the latter is owned by the individual. Modern technology offers something that would cause even greater panic than providing sex services for money - self-minting of currency (to avoid long explanations, think of it as circulating personal checks that are never cashed in the force monopoly's bank.) All components are available (digital signatures, Chaum's or Brand's e-cash, or Wagner's patent-free replacements), even software is there (mojo nation contained all minting code.) Yet it still seems unacceptable to reproduce social-ties currency in technology/software. This means that the social-ties currency remains unchanged and exists only in the realm of our wetware. We are total owners of it, without intervening technology, and limited with our social outreach capabilities. On the other hand, money is getting developed, refined and globalised. This widening gap between the two (for the small people) can be solved only by somehow applying technology to the former. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
