Re: nettime non-commercial? digest [stalder, geer]

2005-01-10 Thread Heiko Recktenwald
How do you define commercial? This has become my favorite thing to ask 
at CC events, and I have yet to receive a straight-forward reply.

Felix, why? Where are the problems?
Commercial is something like an action, that is carried out in a commercial 
entity.
The animus lucri faciendi is essential, to become rich or whatever.
And we should make a difference between direct and indirect commercial 
activities.
A direct commercial activitty would be Microsoft seeling Windows XP 
whatever, an indirect commercial activity would be IBM selling servers with 
Linux installed.

The big problem still seems to be to understand that copyright is a good 
thing. GPL etc are an excercise of copyright, the copyright is still there. 
Other ideas like giving away to the public domain, that is possible in 
germany now too, thanks to the revolutionary work of MPI etc, just makes 
life easier for big vendors.


H.


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nettime non-commercial? digest [stalder, geer]

2005-01-06 Thread nettime's_kontent_kreator
Re: nettime What's the meaning of non-commercial?
 Felix Stalder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Benjamin Geer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: Felix Stalder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: nettime What's the meaning of non-commercial?
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:08:48 -0500

How do you define commercial? This has become my favorite thing to ask at CC 
events, and I have yet to receive a straight-forward reply. 

 Wikipedia defines as commerce the exchange of something of value
 between two entities. That 'something' may be goods, services,
 information, money, or anything else the two entities consider to have
 value. In negative terms, any distribution that is not a gift is
 commercial. That even includes copying a Linux CD for someone else for
 50 cent in order to cover the cost of the CD-R.

I'm not sure if wikipedia is good source here. The above definition of 
commercial seems to include even gifts. Wikipedia, or other home-brew 
definitions are, at any rate, not relevant. The problem is, there is no 
straight-forward _legal_ definition of commercial. I suspect lawyer would 
approach this one a case to case basis akin to I cannot define pornography, 
but I know it when I see it. 

In terms of culture, my sense is that lawyers treat small releases of music, 
where the musician/publisher barely recoups his/her costs, as non-commercial. 
The problem is, what happens if the artist suddenly becomes successful. 
Where's the boundary, 3000 CDs sold, 30'000? My hunch is that DJ Dangermouse 
could not have used the White Album even if it would have been released under 
the non-commercial license.

Last June, the women who heads the BBC's Creative Archives project was in 
Vienna at a conference [1] where she talked about uses of Creative Archive 
content she in terms of students using BBC footage for school work. I guess 
that would have already been covered under fair use

 That seems to be the main flaw in the non-commercial wording, a
 confusion of non-commercial and non-profit. Most non-profit projects
 are commercial in the sense that they charge money. That would even
 apply to say, a teenage garage band that would play cover versions of
 songs released under Creative Commons Licenses, but charge $2 entrance
 fee to reimburse its transportation and rental expenses.

I don't think the presence or absence of money in the transaction is a 
criteria in terms of the commercial nature of a venture. In the US, you can 
watch television (at least those broadcasted terrestrially) without having to 
pay anyone, yet most of that is commercial. 

On the other hand, splitting the gasoline costs in a car ride doesn't make 
driving commercial enterprise.

The problem is, rather than getting the lawyers out of the way, the 
non-commercial clause brings them back in. Rather than reducing uncertainty, 
it creates. Particularly for cultural producers who tend to operate in this 
gray zone.

 The fact that so many artists and net activists use the non-commercial
 restriction for their work comes, in my belief, from an anxiety and
 ill-informedness about getting potentially exploited by media
 corporations: That, for example, a sound sample or piece of artwork
 released under a free license would end up in the next Madonna song and
 video without the creator being able to prevent it or getting a share of
 the profit. However, the appropriate countermeasure for such
 exploitation is GPL-style copyleft, available in the Creative Commons
 toolkit as the ShareAlike option. If Madonna would release a video
 using ShareAlike-licensed work, she would be forced to do one of the
 two following things:

 (a) Put her work (i.e. the video) under the same ShareAlike license.
 Then it could be legally shared in the Internet, and the video, images
 and sound could be reused in new independent works under the same
 license.

 (b) Pay off the creator of the artwork to grant her a license without
 following the ShareAlike terms, because not following those terms
 is a copyright violation. Copyright owners of a work always has the
 right to relicense their work under different terms (which does, however
 not invalidate the fact that the work remains available under ShareAlike
 terms).

If you like derivatives.

 The only thing that prevents people from using the GPL for
 non-software work is that it speaks of the licensed work as the program,
 not the work. 

I think there are good reasons why artists would not like the GPL in all 
cases, mainly around the issue of derivative works. I think it is legitimate 
to not want other people improve your work. I know Florian doesn't like the 
distinction between functional and expressive works because there certainly 
is a (small) body of work that is both functional and expressive. Yet, for 
the majority of works, the categories are pretty unproblematic. 

I think we should not,