Re: nettime ISEA 2011 fees
hej Nicholas -- I presume that there are many nettimers who are planning on attending ISEA 2011 in Istanbul this year. If you have not looked at the registration fees for the conference, prepare yourself for some sticker shock. The fees seem to be disproportionately expensive for a conference hosted at a university. Student fees begin at EUR250, with Surprised? It keeps out the rabble ... between the registration fee and the flights and the hotels, and the lavish meals, well, when was the last time an individual without insitutional(ized) support could afford it? It's an institution for the institutionalized... jh # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime ISEA 2011 fees
Nick, I am in complete agreement with this. This is a big issue with a lot of the ISEAs as severely hegemonic space, despite its rhetoric of openness, and I am not entirely sure that the attendees realize that if we stay on Taksim Square, that the shuttles to Sabanci are a significant amount of time - depending on time of day, at least an hour each way. This is not going to be an easy conference. It's obvious that we are all going to spend a lot of money just to GET and LIVE THERE, but now the conference has been charging trade show prices once the participants get there. I've priced out participation at over 2-3000$ with hotel. This prices many out, and will probably make this my only foreign conference for academic year 2011-2012. The irony of this is that I had planned a 10 day alternate event in concurrence with ISEA as _part_ of same (which in hindsight, made absolutely no sense) that hoped to deal with alternative practice. The big issue is that the body involved has few resources (as it seems we will have). In the States, there is frequently a counter College Art Association conference put on by the Radical Art Caucus, and personally I'd like to consider an alt.ISEA if we could get a cadre together. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime ISEA 2011 fees
Hi all, I'm in complete agreement with many of the issues that have been raised in this thread. I also wrote the ISEA organizers saying much the same. And yes, let's organize things otherwise...it's certainly possible. In other words, count me in. best, Renee www.geuzen.org www.fudgethefacts.com On May 13, 2011, at 7:08 PM, Brian Holmes wrote: On 05/12/2011 11:52 PM, Nicholas Knouf wrote: These fees make me seriously reconsider my participation in ISEA 2011. I wonder if our money is not better spent organizing a counter-conference that does not discriminate based on ability to pay. Perhaps we would then be able to have a real international symposium on electronic art. Electronic art has always been the bastard child of corporate sponsorship -- sometimes disguised through the dodgy mediation of academic prestige. Yet electronic art is one of the most important set of lenses/vehicles that we have for the perception of global systems. ... # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime ISEA 2011 fees
looks like we are all in the same boat, with panels or papers accepted, a number of friends and colleagues participating and some outrageously high fees to face. in order to pay this amount (and the flight and my stay in a hostel...if there is one..) I'll have to take an extra job :-( I am not sure if I am more outraged by the fees or by the complete acceptance by a number of colleagues and friends of said fees. speaking about this is considered almost a taboo, especially with precarious academics who seem to compete with their more fortunate colleagues (those who can count on prestigious fundings, full time jobs etc...) without admitting that this cycle is indeed becoming rather unsustainable (and in the long run elitist as soon only the funded and/or institutionalized artists will be able to participate in these events). anyway, glad that this issue is coming out (thanks Nick), I would be more willing to go through the process of taking an extra job, borrowing money etc.. if I knew that once in Istanbul, I will be able to meet like minded people and will be able to organize an action, an alternative event a performance or anything that might shake up things a little and bring up the issues and the unsustainable politics that this year's ISEA is revealing so dramatically. I am all for self-organize a collective inquiry into the development of planetary information/visualization/communication as Brian suggests. However, nick has brought up an issue that keeps repeating over and over again and that I think needs to be addressed in a timely manner at that very event. ISEA is something specific happening here and now. it is different to address a specific event during the event itself and make it accountable of its decisions, and to discuss failures and problems of an event after the event has happened . my 2 cents rb On May 13, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Brian Holmes wrote: On 05/12/2011 11:52 PM, Nicholas Knouf wrote: These fees make me seriously reconsider my participation in ISEA 2011. I wonder if our money is not better spent organizing a counter-conference that does not discriminate based on ability to pay. Perhaps we would then be able to have a real international symposium on electronic art. Electronic art has always been the bastard child of corporate sponsorship -- sometimes disguised through the dodgy mediation of academic prestige. Yet electronic art is one of the most important set = of lenses/vehicles that we have for the perception of global systems. ... # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
