Re: nettime The Vegetative Prince Will Not Wake Up: Dutch Prince Friso medical ethics and the ordeal of social inequality
On 25/08/12 22:28, martin hardie wrote: The liberal Dutch laws did result in over two thousand people being killed without their permission in the first two years of its operation according to a Dutch government report. There its another dark side to the right to death debate that many liberals simply ignore. It is not without reason that the nazis passed the first laws on euthanasia. It is easy and convenient, it seems, to pin things to Nazis, and there is certainly a trend setting the Nazi reign apart from the rest of European history, but that is of course far from the truth. Where liberal cheerleaders see discontinuity, the historically discerned see continuity. As were the case with modern ideas of what in todays' context is probably well labelled detachment parenting - that is, letting children scream themselves to sleep in their own room from very early on, feeding only on certain hours (to prepare for wage labour reality) - all of which were thoroughly instituted by Nazis - the trend/ideas as such came from the Victorians. The history of euthanasia, then, does not begin with the Nazis, - see for example: That in all cases of hopeless and painful illness, it should be the recognized duty of the medical attendant, whenever so desired by the patient, to administer choloroform or such other anaesthetic as may by-and-bye supersede chloroform – so as to destroy consciousness at once, and put the sufferer to a quick and painless death; all needful precautions being adopted to prevent any possible abuse of such duty; and means being taken to establish, beyond the possibility of doubt or question, that the remedy was applied at the express wish of the patient. — Samuel Williams (1872) and in the US: The rise of the euthanasia movement in the United States coincided with the so-called Gilded Age (i.e. late 1860s to about 1896) – a time of social and technological change that encompassed an individualistic conservatism that praised laissez faire economics, scientific method, and rationalism, along with major depressions, industrialisation and conflict between corporations and labor unions. It was also a time that saw the development of the modern hospital system, seen as a factor in the emergence of the euthanasia debate. m # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime crowd-funding on nettime
folks, thanks for raising the question. my two euro-cents worth: i think that the nettime list should not be used for crowd-funding requests. this should continue to be a place of debate and intellectual exchange, not another extension of the market of the so-called social networks. nettime is so valuable still today because it is not just another facebook group, because it has not 4.000 friends, but subscribers. years ago the nettime-announcements channel was created to deal with calls and announcements that were clogging the list and stifling discussions. i feel that that would also be a good channel for crowd-funding requests, if, that is: if!, someone or a group of people comes forward, crowd-funding enthusiasts, committed net(time)workers, whoever, who will do the necessary editing for such announcements and requests to be edited, digested and pushed onto the main list no more than once a month. regards, -a Am 27.08.12 13:21, schrieb nettime's_mod_squad: Or, one could argue the opposite: that nettime has always resisted attempts (feeble as they were) to monetize its network; that it has always sustained an economy of non-monetary generosity; and that it should resist this attempt to monetize the social as well. ps: and thanks, mod's, for all the work that you put in - it's much appreciated! # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime crowd-funding on nettime
I deeply agree with Andreas, Even by our hard times. Anymore, choosing would be arbitrary in every case. There are other relevant places for crowd-funding My respect to everybody L. On 27 August 2012 13:47, Andreas Broeckmann broeckm...@leuphana.de wrote: folks, thanks for raising the question. my two euro-cents worth: ... -- http://www.criticalsecret.com http://www.criticalsecret.net http://www.criticalsecret.org http://www.lanuithenight.com/ Newsletter : https://mail.bek.no/mailman/listinfo/criticalsecret_information # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime crowd-funding on nettime
I agree. Sascha On Mon, August 27, 2012 8:59 am, Keith Sanborn wrote: I would prefer not to have them on Nettime. I believe they abuse the function of the list, which has been a reasonably civil exchange of ideas, insights, intuitions, fads and nonsense. Solicitations for funding shd go elsewhere; they are attempts to persuade people to part with their money. I frankly consider them unwanted spam, however worthy their intentions or projects or participants otherwise might be. My 2 cents. Keith Sanborn # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
