Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?
Thanks for this Alex! In terms of new intellectual synthesis / political philosophy I thought Ocalan's fusing of Kurdish workers party as in the case of the PKK with Bookchin/Biel (Eco-Anarchism/Eco-feminism) is pointing in am interesting direction - and at least for insular me came as a surprise or "leftfield" so to speak. Before catching up with what is happening in Rojava I was pretty oblivious towards PKK based on my last encounter with PKK supporter in the 1990ies in Germany. Back then PKK similar to ETA felt a bit "nationalistic" to me ... It is however not a urban movement but I would think it can count as an example that the intellectual synthesis you are calling for is on the way. Cheers, Jan # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
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you are right new age superstition is undermining people's critical thinking. we need a lot more scientific education for the democratization of tech. i meant simplification of political messages and identification of key issues to polarize the body politic. Il domenica 30 agosto 2015, Geert Lovink ha scritto: > Strong analysis, Alex. I agreed up to this last point. Coming from the low > lands where pragmatism rules, the culture here is deeply anti-intellectual. > It’s main problem is the rejection of debate and reflexion, outlawing > intellectuals, both from political parties and social movement. The source > of this is positivism on the one side (specially amongst the Greens who > detest any form of negativism and critique as not constructive and exclude > all these voices that are not ‘reasonable’). So do not forget, in many > places, more intellectual means more popular because it is inclusive of > different voices that break the New Age consensus that paralyzes us right > now. > > Geert # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
what if we were all right but all wrong?
-- Messaggio inoltrato -- Da: *Alex Foti* Data: lunedì 31 agosto 2015 Oggetto: what if we were all right but all wrong? A: Eric Beck characterizing v as redbrown is warped. that's putin giving money to lepen. i think it weakens your legitimate criticism. this wasnt a piece on v but have u read his declaration on mediapart? # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: Corbyn as a medium is the message
Last night I went to a rally of about 1000 people in Manchester who came to hear Corbyn speak. A very wide range of people in terms of age and political experience from the old time activists such as myself to complete newbies and, I guess, widely differing levels of commitment to Labour party / labour movement. David is right that nobody saw this coming. In immediate terms it has been a result of the opening up of participation in the election to £3 supporters and affiliated trade unionists. Also Labour party membership had already grown by 4 following the election defeat. The total is now about 500k, 3 times the pre-election. But there is something deeper going on as David describes. Driven by the need for a radical opposition to austerity in all guises that of post-crisis Labour and for a break from consensus soundbite politics. I think Corbyn was surprised by the response but is aware of the need for some form of post-election organisation of the movement, if one can call it that, is not to dissipate. If he wins - and the signs are he will - all hell will break loose with attacks from media and the right inside and outside Labour. It is a big opportunity to revive the labour movement and reverse some of the defeats suffered since the 1980s in terms of its democracy and strength. David is right that Corbyn's policies are not all that radical - economically he supports a left Keynesianism. But the movement opens the door to debating more radical solutions on a scale not seen for a long time. Bruce Robinson PS Polly Toynbee is not a leftist. She is a right social democrat who in the 80s was part of the right wing split off from Labour, the DOD. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?
Am 30/08/15 um 18:20 schrieb Eric Beck: > So while this new red-brown alliance might be effective, it's worth > asking who will benefit by being "half right." Doubtful it will be > migrants. The prospects for women, children, and queers is unlikely to > be too sunny under the rule of "right wing sovranist parties." > Retirees who will be impoverished by V et al's (...) I dont think it is true. That right wing parties have a good idea as well does not make an idea bad. The happiness of queers is not an economical problem that we are talking about and we dont kniow whether this would affect them anyway. And who should become a migrant for this? An own currency is not very nationalistic, see Poland, the UK etc, who know exactly why they still have it. A common currency makes commerce easier, profits are easier to calculate, and travels in certain cases, thats all. The income of retirees is not influenced at all. IMHO, H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
***SPAM*** Re: what if we were all right but all wrong?
This could be a manifestation of one of the finer points of Reed's Law, namely that the worth (and effect) of the network is not how many nodes are attached to it, but how many different groups can form within it. In this case, the 'network' is general anti-whoever-has-the-power sentiment, but apparently it does not promote inter-group connections. Perhaps the fundamental problem with this network concept is that it's anti-something, as there are many possible ways how that something can be fixed. Networks based on for-simple-something tend to be more cohesive, for example capital and money: those who are for money will find ways to cooperate regardless of the initial group affiliations. The point being, these nodes need to figure out what the f*ck are they for. i mean, all the green, red, social-democratic parties are floundering everywhere (corbyn notwithstanding;), xenophobic/fascist parties are sprouting everywhere, but with the notable exception of Barcelona and Madrid we have failed to come up with something new that unifies the people around the digital vanguards of the precariat and eco/socio/queer strands in urban movements and civil society. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
