Re: Was cultural Marxism the leading force behind the new world order

[Flick Harrison]

I always thought Cultural Marxism was a fine term and it doesn't hit me as
a right-biased word in itself, though it gets used since its origin that
way.  I mean the first law teacher I had in University was a
Marxist-Feminist, who completely believed this radical notion that righties
hate: there's a superstructure that constructs the social narrative, and
the social narrative is the source for all concepts of right, wrong, law,
etc, which are not absolutes but socially determined; and that as we live
in a patriarchy, the narrative is all about what men need, want, love and
desire.  Thus the patriarchal power structure and the narrative reinforce
and reproduce one another.

The objective of the Marxist-Feminist is seizing the means of production of
this narrative (culturally, in the workplace, in the control of capital
whether for industry or communications, in politics, in the home etc).

Now if you extrapolate to include intersectional politics, you get Cultural
Marxism, or maybe Identity Marxism.  What's not to like about this term?
What's incompatible with our ideals?

By using the word Marxist you're already implying socialism and
internationalism, it would be hard to be a Marxist-Feminist who isn't a
radical socialist too.

So for all the awfulness of Anders Breivik, this nomenclature dispute isn't
the angle from which I'd critique him.  The problem is his (perhaps
mental-health or socially-conditioned) fear of the other, leading to
violent outburst.  The problem is his fear of dialogue and engagement.  The
problem is the amplifying echo-chamber of violent, unhinged narcissists
with nothing but contempt for any difference of opinion, where bad-faith
actors team up with honest ignoramuses and budding lunatics.

Now a term I really suspect is the bogeyman term "Anarcho-Capitalism:" this
seems to be almost an alt-right Trojan Horse, meant to lure beginner Left
thinkers of the "Bernie-or-Trump" variety. To me Libertarian Capitalism
seems like a term that more readily describes people like Trump, Paul Ryan,
Margaret Thatcher, Andrew Scheer, Sarkozy etc.  "Capital is born free, yet
everywhere it is in chains!" Oh crap, there's Rousseau again, but I swear I
know nothing about him.

By using "Anarcho-" that way, it sounds to me like an attempt to muddy our
image of the villains:  "Anarchism" evokes the left, whereas the most
radical white supremacist kleptocrats are more likely Libertarian.  Why try
to make Anarchism sound bad by tying it to Capitalism??  Because the
alt-right talking points assert that "globalism" and "identity politics"
and "socialism" are something that "elites" do, i.e. the big bad
"oligarchs."  Lump these elites (Hillary! Oprah! Michelle Obama!) together
with capitalists ((Soros!)) and you get "Anarcho-Capitalists??"

Libertarian Capitalism, on the other hand, gets away scot-free because
Crypto nerds think libertarianism is cool and they want Undermine the
Elites!!  They get to avoid Paying Taxes for the Globalist Wars!
Libertarian Capitalism is for rebels and futurists and you just want to
suck up to the Government!!

Maybe I'm stretching it.  But the more I dive in, this decision - whether
to villainize "Anarcho-Capitalism" or "Libertarian Capitalism" seems more
and more important.
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Re: Was cultural Marxism the leading force behind the new world order

[Örsan Şenalp]

Hi Analoguehorizon, sounds like a good book, and I will definitely
listen to the podcast.

But just for the good sake of the self-criticism, I think, as a Marx
inspired revolutionary who sees all the others who claim to be so as
comrades, including comrade Marx himself, comrade Engels, Plekhanov,
especially comrade Lenin, not less than him, comrade Trotsky, worse of
all comrade Stalin, yet still comrade Bukharin; and all other Russian
comrades did contribute to the failure of the Marx' ideas, before, at
the time of, and after the Russian revolution took place. Following
the chain of events in the West indeed those comrades starting with
Korch, Bloch, Lukács, Horkheimer, Adorno, Brecht, and Benjamin
comrades; who followed dead of comrade Lenin, against comrade Stalin,
their heirs, all other neo-Hegelian comrades, worse then all Althusser
comrade, and comrades following him and breaking with him like comrade
Foucault, up to comrade Laclau and comrade Mouffe; and to comrades
Hardt and Negriwe all contributed to the failure of Marx' spirit,
and contributed to the rising of the post-modern nihilism; we got
co-opted with the hope to teach capitalist systems-engineers... and
accepting Soros, US Aid, and EC fundings...  we all failed humanity..
let alone Marx. One comrade warned as but not so many listened to him.
He was the original developer of Cultural Marxism, in Russia. And
these days he is coming back his real rehabilitation... guess who is
he?  :)

Best,
Orsan

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 17:40,  wrote:
>
> Hi Orsan,
>
> I recently listened to this interview with Quinn Slobodian in the second half 
> he talks about the developments from Mises to Rothbards Anarcho Capitalism 
> and it's links to the American Paleocon movement and subsequently the 
> development of the Alt-Right.
>
> https://www.blubrry.com/thedig/39413662/a-history-of-neoliberalism-with-quinn-slobodian/
>
> I found his new book useful too 
> http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674979529
>
> Best
>
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 3:34 PM Örsan Şenalp  wrote:
>>
>> Dear Ico,
>>
>> Thanks a lot, this is a very good reply to those at the extreme right and 
>> conservative side. I wonder how would you make of and counter the 
>> confirmation of such a crazy position by someone who is a fellow at Mises 
>> Institute, anarcho-capitalist someone?
>>
>> Best,
>> Orsan
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Re: Was cultural Marxism the leading force behind the new world order

[Ryan Griffis]

Ayn Rand devotees arguing that “Cultural Marxists” have a skewed view of the 
world… LOL
If The Foundation for Economic Education (FEE) wasn’t part of a very real and 
influential network of Koch-funded think tanks, they would almost be funny.
So would Meuller's book (*of course* he’s a German economist based in Brazil!), 
titled "Beyond the State and Politics. Capitalism for the New Millennium” (hey, 
it’s FREE--as in beer--as a Kindle unlimited book!). In the promotional copy: 
"When the functions of government are privatized, the financial burden of taxes 
and contributions falls from the shoulders of the population.”
I guess the invisible hand of the market is better with a gun.
Ah, that’s why they love the acronym FEE so much!

Octavia Butler imagined this world "without a state” too. Wonder why her vision 
of such a world doesn't sound like theirs?
https://fee.org/about/board-of-trustees

Ryan

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> Dear list members,
> 
> I really wonder what would you make of this article by Antony Meuller of
> Mises Institute? Is he implying the role really played by, at least, the
> certain liberal post-Marxist Left in building up Neoliberlism, or is it
> just a reaction against the growing power of the left?
> 
> https://fee.org/articles/cultural-marxism-is-the-main-source-of-modern-confusion-and-its-spreading/?utm_content=79412082_medium=social_source=facebook=IwAR0PonQZ5UQP4iGvZfSFJE3p8jecBefhyHwupA4ZTa-__n01010J9X305Q8
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Re: Was cultural Marxism the leading force behind the new world order

[analoguehorizon]

Hi Orsan,

I recently listened to this interview with Quinn Slobodian in the second
half he talks about the developments from Mises to Rothbards Anarcho
Capitalism and it's links to the American Paleocon movement and
subsequently the development of the Alt-Right.

https://www.blubrry.com/thedig/39413662/a-history-of-neoliberalism-with-quinn-slobodian/

I found his new book useful too
http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674979529

Best

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 3:34 PM Örsan Şenalp  wrote:

> Dear Ico,
>
> Thanks a lot, this is a very good reply to those at the extreme right and
> conservative side. I wonder how would you make of and counter the
> confirmation of such a crazy position by someone who is a fellow at Mises
> Institute, anarcho-capitalist someone?
>
> Best,
> Orsan
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Re: Was cultural Marxism the leading force behind the new world order

[Örsan Şenalp]

Dear Ico,

Thanks a lot, this is a very good reply to those at the extreme right and
conservative side. I wonder how would you make of and counter the
confirmation of such a crazy position by someone who is a fellow at Mises
Institute, anarcho-capitalist someone?

Best,
Orsan
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Re: Was cultural Marxism the leading force behind the new world order

[newmedia]

Nettimers:


"Cultural Marxism" is, of course, a canard -- primarily because it never really 
had any impact.  Adorno did manage to write "The Authoritarian Personality" (a 
favorite of Breivik) but he was tossed out of the Rockefeller Radio Research 
Project and few (at that level) ever paid much attention to him.  The 
"Frankfurt School" (and Marcuse in particular) were considered "passe" by the 
New Left, typically viewed as "CIA types," leaving it to Paul Piccione and his 
TELOS to try to get some attention for them (without much success.)


"Globalism" is closer to the real story and, indeed, it is now dead.  However, 
the impetus for such institutions as the UN, World Bank/IMF, WTO  -- all of 
which have largely been rendered irrelevant by China (and the BRICs more 
widely) -- didn't come from "cultural marxism" at all.  Margaret Mead and Larry 
K. Frank, yes.  "Critical" anything, no.

In "power" terms -- taken using Michael Mann's "Sources of Social Power" 
framework -- globalism had ideological, economic, political and military 
sources that all aligned post-WW II around the theme of preventing WW III 
(while substituting psychological warfare for "kinetics") and generating a "new 
world order" that would force "nation states" to join in a common effort.  This 
is the framework that has now collapsed and will never be revived.  Humpty 
Dumpty has actually fallen off the wall . . . 

Henry Kissinger was at the center of all this, so tracing his career tells much 
of the story.  From his unpublished 380+ page undergraduate Harvard thesis, 
"The Meaning of History," to his crucial role in the very important Special 
Studies Project, Henry was a Rockefeller protege -- in particular of Nelson, 
who was slated to become President in 1964.  Instead, his girlfriend "Happy" 
got pregnant, refused an abortion, forcing "Rocky" to divorce and Goldwater 
became the candidate. By the 1970s much of this was already unraveling and now 
we are finally noticing it.

Henry's the last chapter of his last book, "World Order," and his subsequent 
interviews all reflect the same conclusion: digital technology has irrevocably 
ended the old "new world order."  And, as a result, Henry no longer knows what 
to do.  Given that his advisers include those like Eric Schmidt, this 
intellectual cul-de-sac should come as no surprise.  In fact, no one from 
Henry's (or Eric's) world know's what to do.

We are heading into a political-economy completely unimagined by "cultural 
marxism" or any other ideological construct from the 20th (or previous) 
century.  "Libertarian Marxism" is just a reflection of how confused we have 
become.  My attendance at the "2nd World Congress on Marxism" in Beijing (last 
May) points to a vibrant effort on the part of the Chinese to sort all this -- 
to the utter confusion of the Western "Marxists" invited to speak.  Yes, China 
is way ahead of the West in thinking all this through (and few in the West 
understand this.)

Toto, I don't believe we are in Kansas anymore . . . -- Dorothy (1939, speaking 
about the *radio* world, then being studied by the Rockefellers)

Mark (Jersey City Heights)


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Dear Orsan (and all)


We recently, published this article on Cultural Marxism, it can probably help: 
why-has-cultural-marxism-become-enemy


kind regards





Op vr 16 nov. 2018 om 13:38 schreef Örsan Şenalp :


Dear list members,  



I really wonder what would you make of this article by Antony Meuller of Mises 
Institute? Is he implying the role really played by, at least, the certain 
liberal post-Marxist Left in building up Neoliberlism, or is it just a reaction 
against the growing power of the left? 



https://fee.org/articles/cultural-marxism-is-the-main-source-of-modern-confusion-and-its-spreading/?utm_content=79412082_medium=social_source=facebook=IwAR0PonQZ5UQP4iGvZfSFJE3p8jecBefhyHwupA4ZTa-__n01010J9X305Q8


best, 

Orsan
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Nieuw

Maly, I. (2018). De Hedendaagse antiverlichting (Berchem, Epo)
Maly, I. (2018). Algorithmic populism and algorithmic activism. Diggit Magazine.
Maly, I. (2018). Populism as a mediatized communicative relation: The birth of 
algorithmic populism. TPCS working paper 213
Maly, I. (2018). Welkom in het tijdperk van het globale nationalisme. Sampol.
Maly, I. (2018). Nieuw Rechts. 

Re: Was cultural Marxism the leading force behind the new world order

[I M]

Dear Orsan (and all)

We recently, published this article on Cultural Marxism, it can probably
help: why-has-cultural-marxism-become-enemy


kind regards


Op vr 16 nov. 2018 om 13:38 schreef Örsan Şenalp :

> Dear list members,
>
> I really wonder what would you make of this article by Antony Meuller of
> Mises Institute? Is he implying the role really played by, at least, the
> certain liberal post-Marxist Left in building up Neoliberlism, or is it
> just a reaction against the growing power of the left?
>
>
> https://fee.org/articles/cultural-marxism-is-the-main-source-of-modern-confusion-and-its-spreading/?utm_content=79412082_medium=social_source=facebook=IwAR0PonQZ5UQP4iGvZfSFJE3p8jecBefhyHwupA4ZTa-__n01010J9X305Q8
>
> best,
> Orsan
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facebook.com/diggitmagazine/ 
twitter.com/diggitmagazine 


*Nieuw*

   - Maly, I. (2018). De Hedendaagse antiverlichting (Berchem, Epo)
   

   - Maly, I. (2018). Algorithmic populism and algorithmic activism.
   
   Diggit Magazine.
   - Maly, I. (2018). Populism as a mediatized communicative relation: The
   birth of algorithmic populism.
   
TPCS
   working paper 213
   - Maly, I. (2018). Welkom in het tijdperk van het globale nationalisme.
   

   Sampol.
   - Maly, I. (2018). Nieuw Rechts. Berchem: EPO.
   
   - Maly, I. (2017). New media, new resistance and mass media : A digital
   ethnographic analysis of the Hart – Boven – Hard movement in Belgium
   
.
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   protests in the EU. Routledge.



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Was cultural Marxism the leading force behind the new world order

[Örsan Şenalp]

 Dear list members,

I really wonder what would you make of this article by Antony Meuller of
Mises Institute? Is he implying the role really played by, at least, the
certain liberal post-Marxist Left in building up Neoliberlism, or is it
just a reaction against the growing power of the left?

https://fee.org/articles/cultural-marxism-is-the-main-source-of-modern-confusion-and-its-spreading/?utm_content=79412082_medium=social_source=facebook=IwAR0PonQZ5UQP4iGvZfSFJE3p8jecBefhyHwupA4ZTa-__n01010J9X305Q8

best,
Orsan
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